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post #1 of 16 Old 05-18-2017, 04:39 AM Thread Starter
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New addition: 2017 Honda CR-V LX AWD

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I know we're on the Accord forum but most of us are not just Accord fans but Honda in general so I want to share some exciting news. Last night we bought a new 2017 CR-V for my wife. She is/was currently driving a 2011 Accord LX-P. It's just over 100K so it's going to become my daily grind car (to replace my aging 1995 Accord EX with 280K). We don't believe in wasting money so our Hondas are usually LX or just above (like my 2016 Sport 6MT). All new LX come with bluetooth, back up cam and all power options which is plenty for us. We obviously went with the AWD. Sticker was around $26,200, ended up paying $24,700 so not too bad. No extended warranty and no paint protections, we don't waste money on those. We went with the Modern Steel color option, it's just dark enough to look really good but also not black like mine so it won't get as dirty. Anyway, just wanted to share this with you guys. This is our 11th Honda now! WOW
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Congratulations on the new purchase! If I'm not mistaken, the 2017 LX is the only trim that retains the 2.4L, right?

Great car for the space and AWD.
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Yes, EX and above are 1.5 turbo. We wouldn't have gotten the EX anyway for reasons mentioned above but the deal breaker for EX was the 1.5 turbo. I talked to my Honda mechanic and got his advice, he told me in order to get almost 200 hp out of that 1.5 motor, that turbo is spinning crazy fast and hot and it has to cool off before shutting the car off at least 2-3 minutes. Those 2-3 minutes are fine for me and some other people but for a mom of two that's usually running from a place to place, that's just not going to happen. Without proper cooling off procedure, the oil starts to build up and by 40-50K miles, turbo goes out and here comes a few thousand dollars of repair, if not more. Besides, the 2.4 is what I call a tried and true motor, no nonsense about it. No need to experiment with turbo Honda when turbo was (as far as I know) never a Honda thing until the Acura RDX. Turbo and Honda just don't make sense to me.

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You are exactly correct. I'd say you did well with going for the N/A motor. The reason I bought the 9.5 gen Accord was because of all this new implementation of small turbos in the Honda lineup. I don't care what they say. Real world gas mileage on those turbo cars is worse than the 2.4L. Mainly because lots of folks have lead feet nowadays.

The fact that the possibility of losing N/A motors(bar the base models) is definitely putting me in a position where I'm more and more glad that I bought when I did. Besides, the CVT does ride smoother.
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Yes, EX and above are 1.5 turbo. We wouldn't have gotten the EX anyway for reasons mentioned above but the deal breaker for EX was the 1.5 turbo. I talked to my Honda mechanic and got his advice, he told me in order to get almost 200 hp out of that 1.5 motor, that turbo is spinning crazy fast and hot and it has to cool off before shutting the car off at least 2-3 minutes......Without proper cooling off procedure, the oil starts to build up and by 40-50K miles, turbo goes out and here comes a few thousand dollars of repair, if not more.
I sense a lot of discussion about turbos will follow that statement.

(And congrats on the new CR-V.)

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If the turbos get that hot, I'm surprised Honda didn't incorporate some sort of OE turbo timer.

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Only aftermarket timers are available as of now, no OEM option, even to pay for.

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You forgot one thing, pics!

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We got home at 9:30pm and this morning it was pouring outside (still is) so no pics yet but later today for sure

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I know this is high jacking @SRB034’s thread, but I think this chart may be relevant. Output air temp from a turbo increases with rpm. I don’t know how hot the turbocharger gets as the exit air temp approaches 300F, but I suspect its temperature is proportional to the air temp at 120F. I believe Honda’s 1.5-liter turbo holds about 16 psi of boost when fully floored. The top boost on this chart is 14 psi, which means Honda’s turbo could get even hotter than 300F at 6,800 rpm.

My take away from this chart is that if you were racing - fully floored at high rpm – yes, that turbo will get smoking hot. And if you were just racing, driving 70 mph up a steep mountain, or perhaps just towing a small trailer up a hill, and then turned off your engine you might create a heat problem. But if you were driving “normally” at lower rpm under light throttle, the turbo will not be that hot and not require a cool down period.

I think that mechanic should have qualified his statement a little bit.
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Congrats on your CR-V.
I never had any issues with my turbo on my older Passat, but I did dread the possibility of replacing it as it got older, as they are not cheap, under any brand name.
I think you did the right thing by sticking with the 2.4L...it is, by all standards, basically bulletproof.

I am really surprised that(according to your Honda tech)Honda's turbo on that motor requires a cool down period..I know I use to run the p*ss out of my Passat..80-90 mph on my commute and then shut it down. I figured it was built for the Autobahn anyway. Never had an issue.
But, I also was religious about taking care of that engine.

Older Saabs were notorious for heating up if you didn't idle for at least 30 seconds prior to shutdown, but I really thought that wasn't an issue with today's cars??... Interesting.

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I wouldn't worry too much about the turbo. My wife's friend just got rid of a 2007 (I think) RDX turbo. She had it from brand new and was bulletproof, not one problem at all. Someting like 150k and nothing but synthetic oil changes at the dealer. I did notice over the years that the cooling fan was constantly running but if anyone can get a turbo right it will be Honda.

Congrats and good luck with your CRV. I like your LX approach something I have done for decades until recently. You will find that compared to the Accord you will now have so much more utility and wonder why you didn't get a CRV sooner. They are so capable.
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I like the new CR-V and expect the turbo will last but really have no clue.
If I needed a car right now I would probably get the same car.
Accord is getting a little long in the tooth and looking forward to an interior similar to the new Civic/CR-V.
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The problem with turbo' and shutting them off when hot isn't a heat issue as much as it is an oil starvation issue. In the olden times the bearings in the compressor were HIGHLY dependent on a healthy flow of oil to keep them lubricated and cool. Shutting off the engine after running the turbo at high RPM without a "cooldown" meant that the bearings were stressed by running without that flow. I seem to recall that turbochargers in the 80's were intended to be rebuilt at regular intervals. Modern turbochargers don't have nearly as many issues with bearing failure, and can be expected to last the life of the car without a rebuild. There is a good reason that the stock boost levels are relatively low, safety and longevity placed at the top of the priority list. Never-mind the advances made in under-hood heat management, intercooling, and engine management in general.

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Odd turbos today need 2-3 minutes of cooling down.

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