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post #1 of 48 Old 03-31-2011, 02:22 PM Thread Starter
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Honda should issue a Recall on VTC actuator issues then a TSB

VTC Recall or TSB


The result of VTC actuator complete mechanical failure is catastrophic.

The valves from the intake of either cylinder 2&3 or 1&4 WILL result in a tensioner to fail and a fantastic collision of the valve with the piston.

This is exactly what happened to my K24Z3 motor.
Honda took the engine for further investigation and research.

They gave me a New Engine as a Fix for my 2008ExLnav accord
All this at 50K miles.
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I hope that you do a recall. I wanna take my car in for the tsb but I'm afraid they are going to charge me if I take it.
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i tried to shove the tsb in their face about this but they said its not an issue unless my car really does fail.... ??
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I hope that you do a recall. I wanna take my car in for the tsb but I'm afraid they are going to charge me if I take it.
I forgot to mention my car has 70k miles so It passed the powertrain warranty. ****s
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VTC Recall or TSB


The result of VTC actuator complete mechanical failure is catastrophic.

The valves from the intake of either cylinder 2&3 or 1&4 WILL result in a tensioner to fail and a fantastic collision of the valve with the piston.

This is exactly what happened to my K24Z3 motor.
Honda took the engine for further investigation and research.

They gave me a New Engine as a Fix for my 2008ExLnav accord
All this at 50K miles.
Sorry, you had problems but I doubt very much there will be a recall . How many vehicles did this affect ? . It would have to be massive amount for recall or a safety issue which its not .

To bad you don't have pics of the parts, I be interested to see what happened .
Here is my opinion of what happened .
1) If nothing else goes wrong the VTC only allows 50 deg variance in the intake cam . As long as nothing happens to tension the valves can't hit the pistons no matter of cam is 0 -50deg (this is a normal amount during driving ) .
I think what happened to yours is you had tensioner failure maybe both VTC and tensioner . the only way I can see VTC causing a piston to valve issue is if the VTC housing broke apart leading it to more than 50deg movement .

Glad you got your car back an fixed .

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i tried to shove the tsb in their face about this but they said its not an issue unless my car really does fail.... ??
Unfortunately, that's how TSB works. When you think maybe Honda can gain a lot (or avoid loosing) goodwill by checking and redo things if necessary to start to give owners the trouble-free experience they expect in a Honda product.

TSB is there to show them how to fix a common problem in hope of saving some diagnostic time. It's not suppose to be a prevention kind of thing (too bad).

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Sorry, you had problems but I doubt very much there will be a recall . How many vehicles did this affect ? . It would have to be massive amount for recall or a safety issue which its not .

To bad you don't have pics of the parts, I be interested to see what happened .
Here is my opinion of what happened .
1) If nothing else goes wrong the VTC only allows 50 deg variance in the intake cam . As long as nothing happens to tension the valves can't hit the pistons no matter of cam is 0 -50deg (this is a normal amount during driving ) .
I think what happened to yours is you had tensioner failure maybe both VTC and tensioner . the only way I can see VTC causing a piston to valve issue is if the VTC housing broke apart leading it to more than 50deg movement .

Glad you got your car back an fixed .
As you said, "I think what happened to yours is you had tensioner failure maybe both VTC and tensioner . the only way I can see VTC causing a piston to valve issue is if the VTC housing broke apart leading it to more than 50deg movement", This is the exact case.
Too bad Honda will not show me the parts or the exact reason but only allude to the above.

What I am saying is to watch out when the warranty runs out!
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Honda needs another sueing like the Rear Brake Settlement.

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You have to remember the VTC is not something the tech can open hood and check it easily , the procedure is to take apart valve train and with compressed air applied to various ports see that VTC is in right position . If your not having any noise I can see why there not going to do anything, even when is only few sec noise it is still going to be hard % wise to prove .

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i tried to shove the tsb in their face about this but they said its not an issue unless my car really does fail.... ??
Of course you are not going to get any kind of receptive response when you "shove the tesb in their face".............

TSB shows how to fix a problem when it breaks, recall is a totally different scenario.

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VTC Recall or TSB


The result of VTC actuator complete mechanical failure is catastrophic.

The valves from the intake of either cylinder 2&3 or 1&4 WILL result in a tensioner to fail and a fantastic collision of the valve with the piston.

This is exactly what happened to my K24Z3 motor.
Honda took the engine for further investigation and research.

They gave me a New Engine as a Fix for my 2008ExLnav accord
All this at 50K miles.
Having the same VTC issue on my 08 Accord "Cold Starts", it started once a month to once in a while at about 58,000 miles and now at 69,000 it drives me nuts at almost every cold start.
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I think Honda should do a recall. I'm on my third actuator and still have issues on cold starts. Drives. Me. Nuts.

It seems to me Honda is risking losing a lot of good will with the potential for catastrophic engine failure. I'm sure their decision would be driven by economics - how much does it cost to recall vs. how much does it cost to deal with individual issues as they arise.

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What does TSB stand for?
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I think Honda should do a recall. I'm on my third actuator and still have issues on cold starts. Drives. Me. Nuts. . . .
If you're on your third VTC, the problem isn't the VTC, it's the tech doing the work.

Also, jfi, the term "recall" is a term of art. A "recall" is an obligation imposed on the manufacturer of the vehicle by the NHTSA to notify the vehicle owner of a safety-related defect. The replacement of a VTC isn't that, although I understand your frustration dealing with the circumstances you described. FWIW, there weren't that many VTC failures, particularly after mid-'09. More importantly, if the work is done correctly, it's a one-time fix.
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