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post #361 of 437 Old 01-10-2017, 09:17 PM
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Are they really that desperate for a V6 to switch over to a camry? Especially this new fugly ass camry? (Exception being the interior even though have yet to see it in person...)
Look at it this way. I don't really care about the V6 all that much but I do care about manual transmissions. If Honda announced tomorrow that all of their cars would be CVT only, I'd jump ship as soon as I need a new car.*I assume the V6 guys have the same mentality.

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I wouldn't call myself a "V6" guy, I would look over my choices, weigh my options and make a decision.


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Unless my 17 gave me hell the 3 years of lease, I'm most likely gonna hold on to it vs upgrade to another lease if manual is axed. Manual is how even ended up with a Honda Accord as the others have no such thing in this class.

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Unless my 17 gave me hell the 3 years of lease, I'm most likely gonna hold on to it vs upgrade to another lease if manual is axed. Manual is how even ended up with a Honda Accord as the others have no such thing in this class.
I noticed another pet peeve on my auto transmission, at 1,500 RPM on a slightly uphill road, the engine hesitates and felt so powerless and I have to push the gas pedal harder to make it downshift.

With m/t, I could have just locked in the more sensible higher gear.

Wish I can do m/t for my next car but none of household members care to drive one. Will go with electric instead.
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Not sure if anyone has mentioned this but the Honda Odyssey is getting a Honda made 10-speed automatic that I'm sure is going to be more responsive and smoother than the ZF 9-speed. The J35, the engine so many people say it outdated, is getting direct injection and bumping up the horsepower to 280 and still decimates the majority of V6 engines in its class.

Imagine this: the next 2018 Honda Accord with the 10-speed automatic and just a more messaged version of the J35 with direct injection, an increased redline to 7300r.p.m., an compression ratio of 11.0:1, less restrictive exhaust, and larger air inlets. These improvement alone could easily push the engine past 305 horsepower easily and it's with components within Honda's product line. Honda could have a V6 coupe that could compete again the V6 coupes from Chevrolet and Ford... wake up... wake up... it's not the 90's anymore... Honda:Not the power of dreams... the source of dreams...

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There is no minivan in the Acura line up but there is the ILX and TLX so the Accord will likely not get the 10-speed unless competition in its class bumps technology two or three notches up and Honda will have to upgrade technology across the Honda line up.

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Do we know the performance figures of the new direct injected Camry V6 yet?
Hi Markus, sorry for not responding sooner. Obviously we do not have any real performance numbers yet. However according to C&D the current Camry with a 268 hp engine mated to a 6AT is 5.8 seconds to 60 mph with a 14.3 second quarter at 100 mph.

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If the next gen Camry gets the same 296 hp port/direct injected engine mated to an 8AT as used in the Sienna, my guess is that it should be in the mid five-second range to 60 mph and trap at over 102 mph, perhaps even quicker. Regardless, it must be quicker than the current Camry which is already pretty fast. The Camry is going up in power while the Accord is going down (most likely).
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Hi Markus, sorry for not responding sooner. Obviously we do not have any real performance numbers yet. However according to C&D the current Camry with a 268 hp engine mated to a 6AT is 5.8 seconds to 60 mph with a 14.3 second quarter at 100 mph.

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If the next gen Camry gets the same 296 hp port/direct injected engine mated to an 8AT as used in the Sienna, my guess is that it should be in the mid five-second range to 60 mph and trap at over 102 mph, perhaps even quicker. Regardless, it must be quicker than the current Camry which is already pretty fast. The Camry is going up in power while the Accord is going down (most likely).
I don't expect the new Camry to do much better in the 0-60 timings even with the boost in output. Maybe the 1/4 mile times will go down a few tenths. Mid 5 second 0-60 times for front drive non-performance sedans is probably the limit. To get better numbers, LSD or AWD would more beneficial than a modest bump in power at this point.
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I don't expect the new Camry to do much better in the 0-60 timings even with the boost in output. Maybe the 1/4 mile times will go down a few tenths. Mid 5 second 0-60 times for front drive non-performance sedans is probably the limit. To get better numbers, LSD or AWD would more beneficial than a modest bump in power at this point.
Does it make sense to get AWD in an electric car, barring budget concerns, then?

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FWIW mid 5s is dam fast for a FWD "grocery getter".

I'm likely going Legacy in 17 months (won't rule out an AWD Genesis) when the S60 lease is up so I don't have a dog in the 0-60 hunt at least as far as the Legacy is concerned. The 4cyl is competitive but their F6 lost 1.5 sec to 60 when they hooked it up to the CVT. I'd get the 4, their 6 is only "so so". I'd like to consider Camry but that thig is like Jake from State farm: hideous.

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Does it make sense to get AWD in an electric car, barring budget concerns, then?

Always wondered why hybrids don't have a fwd IC engine plus battery powered rear wheels.
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Always wondered why hybrids don't have a fwd IC engine plus battery powered rear wheels.
BMW i8 kinda does the opposite of that.

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Does it make sense to get AWD in an electric car, barring budget concerns, then?
Tesla is already doing this. I think it's reasonable to assume that higher trim Model 3s have AWD options.

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I'd like to consider Camry but that thig is like Jake from State farm: hideous.
I just really like Coupes. It's simply impossible to compare a Coupe and a Sedan's look. Coupes will always win hands down. For that reason, I looked away from Toyota. The only Coupe Toyota has is 86(which was actually Scion FR-S), but that's a Miata car, with an I4, RWD, smaller size and limited practical uses, so it's not comparable to Accord or even Civic Coupes with their FWD setups and more practical designs.

Same reason I am not very hyped about Teslas. The only design I really enjoy is their Roadster, but there is only 1000 of those in the entire world, so... Wish they bring it back or do something similar to it in the future for the rich blokes out there who love supercars. Wish they can make a Coupe body styled electric car. Until then, I will continue to see Teslas as luxury commute cars, rather than actual performance cars.

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Always wondered why hybrids don't have a fwd IC engine plus battery powered rear wheels.
Just making an educated guess here, but I will bet that's due to the different torque and power output characteristics of an ICE and an electric motor.

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BMW i8 kinda does the opposite of that.
I have seen some rich bloke driving that in my uni. Those cars are pretty expensive, man. While I like Coupes, supercars are just too impractical. Too expensive to maintain, gets too much unnecessary attention, and you can't really unleash their full power in most driving conditions anyways. Also, I still end up carrying more than 2 people sometimes, so I still prefer a Coupe with back seats.

I'd love to see is how the i8 does against R8. Both are German cars and are in similar price range.

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Always wondered why hybrids don't have a fwd IC engine plus battery powered rear wheels.
I think our RAV4 Hybrid AWD is like that but of course, it's AWD.

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To UnknownJinX, Tesla will be coming up with a new roadster, don't ask me for links but I did read up on that somewhere.

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I'm likely going Legacy in 17 months (won't rule out an AWD Genesis)
WHAT?!?!

Nice on paper but are you going to set up automatic recurring repair appointments with the service department or just wing it during its 24 month life span?

Rather surprised to read this from you....

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