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Gas Discussion Thread: What brand do you use? What's the best brand? Etc...

My car is much more sluggish using Mobil 87 Octane. Seems to do ok on 87 Shell though. Anyone using 89 or 93? I'm not sure it's worth it being the 2.4L can run on 86 technically, if it were available in the US.

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My car likes pretty much anything EXCEPT Shell. We usually use premium or mid grade. Reg. on occation (Chevron).


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I've ran nothing but 87 octane in mine since day 1.. tried using Shell, Sunoco, Mobil/Exxon and Hess and found that Mobil/Exxon still offered me the best gas mileage and power. Shell seemed a little better than Sunoco and Hess is just about the worse gas I'm willing to put in my car.

BTW, the differences aren't huge. It's more like 1MPG difference, but I can definately feel a difference in engine response with the better gas.

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I heard much of this gas is coming out of the same refineries.. is that true?

I just run what's cheap... never notice a difference between brands unless driving my turbo WRX.

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I heard much of this gas is coming out of the same refineries.. is that true?

I just run what's cheap... never notice a difference between brands unless driving my turbo WRX.

Unfortunately, it's true, but what makes each brand different is which part of the oil container the companies are willing to get the oil from.. The better oil being on top of the container and the worse oil from the bottom.. I'm not talking about 50 gallon oil drums, either... I'm talking about building-sized oil containers. Usually the bottom 1/3 is sold to the no-named gas companies for cheap. Better brands only take the top 40-50% of the tank, etc...

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With gas prices around 2.99/gallon for premium here in NYC, I've only used regular and will probably continue to until prices go down or I can find cheaper prices when I move to DC....until then, $10.00 here, $10.00 there will do the trick!

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Unfortunately, it's true, but what makes each brand different is which part of the oil container the companies are willing to get the oil from.. The better oil being on top of the container and the worse oil from the bottom.. I'm not talking about 50 gallon oil drums, either... I'm talking about building-sized oil containers. Usually the bottom 1/3 is sold to the no-named gas companies for cheap. Better brands only take the top 40-50% of the tank, etc...
What? Are you serious?

Gas is made at several different refineries across the US & generally piped across the US. Of course CA is special.
The biggest difference in the different brands of gas is the additives used.

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My 03 Accord, 89 Prelude, and 91 Wagon all seem to like Shell 87 the best though Wagon prefers hi octane in the winter for some reason.

FYI Check out www.toptiergas.com Honda, Toyota, BMW, and GM got together to develop a standard for gasoline and so far only 8 brands made the cut:

QuikTrip
Chevron
Conoco
Phillips
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Shell
Entec Stations
MFA Oil Company

There's more info on the site about what they were trying to accomplish etc... If the auto manufacturers are saying only these 8 brands meet their qualifications for "good gas", there must be a difference from brand to brand even if the base stock comes from common refineries.
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Hi All:

___Shell, BP, or Marathon 87 Octane here. Usually Shell because they give me the best deal with their CC vs. BP and Marathon.

___Trip, I have had a problem with this sites claim since I first came across it a few months ago.
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Contain no less than 48 mg/kg sulfur. At least 60% of the sulfur shall be derived from FCC blend stock.
___If you are interested in poisoning a CAT, reducing your CAT’s ability to scrub NOx and HC’s, and a host of other reasons not worth discussing, a minimum high sulfur content is bad news imho. The EPA has already taken care of this problem once and for all with the Tier II Low Sulfur gasoline mandate scheduled for completion by early 06 for all but the Rocky Mountain States and small refiners scattered around the country.

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My 03 Accord, 89 Prelude, and 91 Wagon all seem to like Shell 87 the best though Wagon prefers hi octane in the winter for some reason.

FYI Check out www.toptiergas.com Honda, Toyota, BMW, and GM got together to develop a standard for gasoline and so far only 8 brands made the cut:

QuikTrip
Chevron
Conoco
Phillips
76
Shell
Entec Stations
MFA Oil Company

There's more info on the site about what they were trying to accomplish etc... If the auto manufacturers are saying only these 8 brands meet their qualifications for "good gas", there must be a difference from brand to brand even if the base stock comes from common refineries.

Here in the midwest we are offered many of the top tier gasoline brands. I have been leaning towards Conoco and Phillips 66 which, by the way are the same company for about the last two years. If you want to save 12 to 15 cents per gallon on gas, get a Citibank Dividend Credit Card which rebates you 5% on gas station, grocery store, and pharmacy purchases..

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We use Exxon/Mobil exclusively. Primarily because my wife is a shareholder.

Of course, every now and again we use some other reputable brand (like Shell) when we're in a pinch. I avoid what I consider to be crappy gas stations (whether I'm right or wrong in my assessment) like the plague.

The Accord gets a steady diet of 87 octane.

The Odyessy gets 87 octane too. But it does ping some, so we may have to move up a grade to see how that does.

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What? Are you serious?

Gas is made at several different refineries across the US & generally piped across the US. Of course CA is special.
The biggest difference in the different brands of gas is the additives used.
They put the additives in there after they buy the gas from the refineries or something... I forgot where I read about this, but I'll do some research if you guys are interested..

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Here's one article:
http://www.eia.doe.gov/neic/brochure/gas04/gasoline.htm

Look about halfway down the page at "distribution" or "From Refinery to Consumer"..

"After shipment through the pipeline, gasoline is typically held in bulk storage terminals that often service many companies. At these terminals the gasoline is loaded into tanker trucks destined for various retail gas stations. The tanks in these trucks , which can typically hold up to 10,000 gallons, usually have several compartments, enabling them to transport different grades of gasoline or petroleum products. The truck tank is where the special additive packages of gasoline retailers get blended into the gasoline to differentiate one brand from another. In some areas, ethanol may be “splash blended” in the tanker to meet environmental requirements. When the tanker truck reaches a gas station, the truck operator unloads each grade of gasoline into the appropriate underground tanks at the station. "
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Yeah, wanna know how they add those additives? Out of a 2-gallon wash bucket. That's right, the driver takes a 2-gallon plastic bucket over to the octane spout, opens it up, and puts in some sorghum molasses-looking stuff in the bucket. He then goes over to the truck, and pours it into the tank being filled on his truck.

I found this out when I went on a coupla runs with a friend of mine years ago. I asked him how he knew how much to add, and he said, "Aww, it's all a swag, and don't matter anyways, just so long as you add a certain minimum." The bucket wasn't even marked or graduated.

And guess what else? You fine folks are running diesel fuel in your cars as we speak. What? You don't believe that? Well, guess what happens to the tanker at the last run of the day? He drains ALL of his tanks & lines into the last in-ground tank of the day. So all the super, diesel, ethanol, etc, gets mixed up and drained out. Also, if one run contains diesel, and the next delivery has none, do you think he purges/cleans the diesel out of the tanker? No. The majority gravity drains, but not 100% of it.

There's some poop for ya on a coupla deliveries I was privy to.
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Yeah, wanna know how they add those additives? Out of a 2-gallon wash bucket. That's right, the driver takes a 2-gallon plastic bucket over to the octane spout, opens it up, and puts in some sorghum molasses-looking stuff in the bucket. He then goes over to the truck, and pours it into the tank being filled on his truck.

I found this out when I went on a coupla runs with a friend of mine years ago. I asked him how he knew how much to add, and he said, "Aww, it's all a swag, and don't matter anyways, just so long as you add a certain minimum." The bucket wasn't even marked or graduated.

And guess what else? You fine folks are running diesel fuel in your cars as we speak. What? You don't believe that? Well, guess what happens to the tanker at the last run of the day? He drains ALL of his tanks & lines into the last in-ground tank of the day. So all the super, diesel, ethanol, etc, gets mixed up and drained out. Also, if one run contains diesel, and the next delivery has none, do you think he purges/cleans the diesel out of the tanker? No. The majority gravity drains, but not 100% of it.

There's some poop for ya on a coupla deliveries I was privy to.
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