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post #1 of 40 Old 05-11-2016, 05:58 PM Thread Starter
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2014 Accord 2.4L Starter Replacement at 60k mi

Over the past month i've had a no-crank, no-start issue that worsened over time. started out with 9 out of 10 times getting crank. a month later it was 9 tries before crank.

issue was as follows: insert key (factory keys, tried all of them), turn to run and all dash lights/radio/accessories came on. turn key to start and you could hear the solenoid click, and ignition voltage was lost, but voltage at the constant cables was maintained (with some voltage drop) - but no crank. repeat attempts to start until actual crank. once crank - it fired up fine.

what i evaluated: i started by evaluating the aftermarket remote start. all connections soldered by myself and no wiring was cut. i removed power from the alarm system to eliminate an immobilizer signal issue and the problem remained. i checked connections at neutral/safety switch and gear position switches - no changes. immobilizer MIL was never illuminated at the dash.

i took the car to the dealership at 58k mi and they confirmed the starter was bad. they wanted $650 for parts and 2 hrs of labor for $950 total.

I bought a salvaged starter for $90 (from a wrecked 2014 2.4L).
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Entire job took an hour, including lifting the car onto jack stands, disconnecting battery connections, etc.

Tools:
14mm socket with extensions
10mm socket
pliers (for removing harness clip)



Steps:

- disconnect battery terminals with a 10mm socket.
- put wheel chalks on rear tires and lift car to place on two jack stands (one on each side). lift high enough to have a few inches between tires and ground/floor **i added another pair of jack stands under front suspension for insurance.**
- slide under car and position yourself under the rear of the motor.



remove the wire harness clips first. a standard 2-wire clip is on the starter. the large black clip has a top release and slides off the metal tab. the green wire clip is best pried closed from below (hence pliers being on the list). a 10mm bolt holds the power wire on the starter (this can be loosened after you pry the rubber boot back - and can be done after the starter is slid out).

you can see the starter location in this photo - bottom left:


There are two 14mm bolts holding the starter on. Both are accessible.


The rear bolt has a long shaft extension so it is accessible with a standard socket




after removing both bolts completely - the starter slides out easily. at 58k mi. i didn't have any issue with loosening the bolts by hand, with a standard ratchet and arm strength.

view after removal of the starter


installation is reverse of removal. you can connect the positive terminal before final placement, or do it last.

a video link is here, i discuss the bolts:
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later, i will disassemble the failing starter to investigate what is going on. OEM part cost is $350 but we can buy internal parts for very cheap. i'll rebuild the stock starter so i have a backup.) i'll detail the rebuild when the time comes.

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Well done but $950, that about the cost of an extended warranty. On the older K24's the intake manifold had to be removed to access the starter. A friend of ours had this issue and Honda wanted like $1300 to do the job and she went elsewhere for like $800.

Do you think that the mods contributed to the failure?
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Good job avoiding the stealership.

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$950 for the dealer to replace a starter on an Accord? That is ludicrous!

It's great that you could do the job yourself and save lots of money.

Unfortunately, most owners will be ripped off by the dealer.
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Wouldn't it still be under warranty at 58k miles. Or do they consider the starter not part of the drivetrain.

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Wouldn't it still be under warranty at 58k miles. Or do they consider the starter not part of the drivetrain.
Nope, powertrain is internals and seals only.

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I was close to attempting this job but my car wouldnt start-up about a month ago while out with my wife and kids. Had to get it towed and the dealer wanted over $900 but i got it done for a little over $800. I was upset knowing i could have done it myself but i missed one day of work and needed it done.
Glad to see you were able to get it done and it should help a lot of people with faulty starters.
I've wrote it up on carcomplaints and national highway safety admin. Hoping enough people complain and we can get it recalled. Everyone who paid for a new starters can possibly get their money back from honda.
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Well done but $950, that about the cost of an extended warranty. On the older K24's the intake manifold had to be removed to access the starter. A friend of ours had this issue and Honda wanted like $1300 to do the job and she went elsewhere for like $800.

Do you think that the mods contributed to the failure?
I looked at extended warranties but in my opinion they have more excuses to turn you down than anything. And in my case, they would have claimed that all the work that I have done had an impact on the electrical system and would have avoided doing it anyway. There's no way any of the stuff I've done to my car has any effect on a mechanical failure within the starter. I'll take it apart and see exactly what went wrong but my suspect is buildup and premature failure of the brushes.

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$950 for the dealer to replace a starter on an Accord? That is ludicrous!

It's great that you could do the job yourself and save lots of money.

Unfortunately, most owners will be ripped off by the dealer.
We can buy the starter brand new for $350. Most dealerships are going to put a hundred percent markup on any parts you buy from them, that's just how they do business. The labor rate of 2 hours is typically twice what it should take a confident person to do but I guess that is typical for a dealership since they really don't know who will be performing the work.

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Wouldn't it still be under warranty at 58k miles. Or do they consider the starter not part of the drivetrain.
As much as below it was not covered by the warranty which disappointed me because I felt like it was connected to the engine and it shouldn't have fell in the first place

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I was close to attempting this job but my car wouldnt start-up about a month ago while out with my wife and kids. Had to get it towed and the dealer wanted over $900 but i got it done for a little over $800. I was upset knowing i could have done it myself but i missed one day of work and needed it done.
Glad to see you were able to get it done and it should help a lot of people with faulty starters.
I've wrote it up on carcomplaints and national highway safety admin. Hoping enough people complain and we can get it recalled. Everyone who paid for a new starters can possibly get their money back from honda.
Bummer. I have also found other cases of premature failure between 40000 and 60000 miles. These starters are assembled in the US but they may be using sub-par parts. It really wasn't easy job to tackle and one I think you could do in a parking lot if you had the jack stands. I could do another one in probably 30 minutes once the car was in the air.

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Extended Warranty FTW. This is covered by Honda Care as "electrical"

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Thanks for the info. Luckily, I have a great independent mechanic at the end of my block. He is an excellent diagnostician and is his prices are reasonable. Once my car is out of warranty he will be my go to guy.

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Would you say buying the salvaged starter was worth it? How's it holding up?
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Had the same issue on '13 Sport. Ordered salvaged starter from the link that Keep_Hope_Alive provided. Got it for $92 total. Installed the salvaged starter. Problem solved. Checked with the dealer and they wanted $520.09 just for the part.

Have owned Accords since 1994 and never had a starter go bad.
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Thank you for sharing. Nice write-up.
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My old 1985 Toyota MR2 killed starters at 50k miles almost like clockwork. I never put a new one on as they were silly expensive and I could get good used ones for $50. That was the only salvage parts I ever used on that car in 25 years of ownership. Other than the starter, the car as a whole was amazingly reliable (278k in 25 years), I never even replaced the clutch in it and it still ran and drove great when I sold it. Never understood why the starter was such a weak point or why the starters were so darned expensive, even rebuilt ones from the corner parts stores were almost as expensive as new. And the starters never gave a clue that they were getting weak, just didn't work when they finally broke. Lucky for me, the car was super easy to push start by myself since it weighed so little.

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