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post #1 of 41 Old 01-06-2017, 05:31 PM Thread Starter
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ADMIT IT - Honda Nailed the Electric Power Steering

I owned a 2005 Accord V6 Coupe... so, I know how great Honda's hydraulic power steering was.

But, innovation and progress have led virtually all auto companies to move to electric power steering.

Let's give Honda some credit here. Honda did a pretty amazing job nailing the EPS in the 9G Accord.

It's relatively light at low speed, firms up with acceleration, has great feel, and is dead-on-balls accurate maintaining center feel with no correction needed at highway speed. Honda did a phenomenal job.

BMW and some other "performance" brands have implemented EPS that delivers no road feel, no or numb feedback, terrible return to center, and awful on-center behavior requiring constant micro-corrections and they have been absolutely ripped to shreds by reviewers for a better part of this decade.

It really is a miracle Honda got this so right. When I read a review (and there are lots of them) that mentions a $60K sports sedan with numb steering with no feedback, I have to sit back and laugh. Steering feel and handling are supposed to be in the DNA of BMW, etc. But many of those guys got it wrong and introduced cars with embarrassing steering characteristics.

What do you think? I, for one, am amazed and proud that Honda did their homework and got the EPS right in the 9G.

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Oh god. Get out much?

How do you explain the Electric Power Steering (EPS) torque sensor issue? Or the DTC's 53-01 and 53-02?

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I actually like it too. I noticed that it lightened up quite a bit to assist when I was turning the wheel alot in a tight parking situation also. I think it's just about perfectly weighted in all situations.

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Oh they've nailed it. Had to replace my EPS module at 70k or so. Found one from a wrecked Honda got it for the low tho. Mine never seemed to firm up at higher speeds... 🙃

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I agree they nailed it (as long as it doesn't fail as some have) and I like it too. My 04 Rx-8 was superb as well. Hated the hydraulic steering on my 300C. It was supposed to be based on the E class but stank both in steering, ride, and suspension. An expensive cheap car.

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Only thing I don't like is that it's too light. Wish I knew how to stiffen up the steering a bit.
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I think it's OK but my '13 tends to wander at highway speeds. 2nd set of (different) tires did not help the issue. Otherwise, I like the setup and don't miss the complexity of a hydraulic system.

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I agree with the OP. Steering feel is one of the reasons I've been coming back to Honda time and time again for 30 years. And my '15 Sport is the best of the bunch I've owned.
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Agree. Steering feel is better than what I had on my BMW. For that I had to enter Sport mode, which firmed the steering and the suspension but also made undesired changes to the engine parameters. I would have preferred the ability to change steering/suspension/engine parameters independently.

Can't change anything in my Accord (other than enabling ECO mode), but the overall balance is pretty good.

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I owned a 2005 Accord V6 Coupe... so, I know how great Honda's hydraulic power steering was.

But, innovation and progress have led virtually all auto companies to move to electric power steering.

Let's give Honda some credit here. Honda did a pretty amazing job nailing the EPS in the 9G Accord.

It's relatively light at low speed, firms up with acceleration, has great feel, and is dead-on-balls accurate maintaining center feel with no correction needed at highway speed. Honda did a phenomenal job.

BMW and some other "performance" brands have implemented EPS that delivers no road feel, no or numb feedback, terrible return to center, and awful on-center behavior requiring constant micro-corrections and they have been absolutely ripped to shreds by reviewers for a better part of this decade.

It really is a miracle Honda got this so right. When I read a review (and there are lots of them) that mentions a $60K sports sedan with numb steering with no feedback, I have to sit back and laugh. Steering feel and handling are supposed to be in the DNA of BMW, etc. But many of those guys got it wrong and introduced cars with embarrassing steering characteristics.

What do you think? I, for one, am amazed and proud that Honda did their homework and got the EPS right in the 9G.
I dunno, it's hard to say really. I have read reviews on BMW forums about how they really messed up the steering and chassis on the 3-series when they redesigned it in 2012 but I've never even driven a BMW. But I've read lots of comments in BMW forums and a lot of them say the steering is really bad.

I will give Honda credit that the steering in the 9th Gen Accord is pretty good. It's definitely not as good as the hydraulic PS in my '03 Accord was but, we've gone to electric so, unfortunately, that's to be expected.

That being said, I felt the steering in the VW Passat I drove was a little better...as was the steering in the Mazda 6. The steering in the Nissan Altima was not quite as good as the Accord. The steering in the VW GTI was the best of all. Funny, I remember the steering in a Volvo S60 was not as good as the Accord and that was a $45K car. It wasn't bad...just not as precise as the Accord. I test drove all of these cars in 2013 when I was shopping for my Accord.

So, yeh, for a $25K car I'd say the steering is pretty good. But if you ever get a chance, go test drive a GTI or Mini...much better steering, but a totally different car, too. And it won't have the reliability or resale value of the Accord. All depends on what you want out of a car really.

Given the choice, however, I'd go back to the hydraulic PS and double wishbone suspension (front and rear) that was on my '03 Accord. That was a much better handling car than the 9th Gen is IMHO.

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Agree. I never think of it, because it doesn't do anything to displease me. It's that good.
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I own three Honda automobiles that have electric power steering. The first one is a 06 Fit. At the time I was driving a 2000 Accord V6 Coupe with hydraulic power steering and I couldn't tell the difference. Since then both my 2013 Accord and my wife's 2015 CR-V have electric power steering and they both operate correctly and smoothly reduce the power boost with increasing speed and have good road feel.

Replacing engine driven accessories with electric ones has boosted fuel economy and permits good performance from smaller engines. It's more efficient to produce electricity from the engine to drive accessories rather than belts to drive pumps. I expect electrically driven AC compressors to come along in non EV vehicles.

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I dunno, it's hard to say really. I have read reviews on BMW forums about how they really messed up the steering and chassis on the 3-series when they redesigned it in 2012 but I've never even driven a BMW. But I've read lots of comments in BMW forums and a lot of them say the steering is really bad.

I will give Honda credit that the steering in the 9th Gen Accord is pretty good. It's definitely not as good as the hydraulic PS in my '03 Accord was but, we've gone to electric so, unfortunately, that's to be expected.

That being said, I felt the steering in the VW Passat I drove was a little better...as was the steering in the Mazda 6. The steering in the Nissan Altima was not quite as good as the Accord. The steering in the VW GTI was the best of all. Funny, I remember the steering in a Volvo S60 was not as good as the Accord and that was a $45K car. It wasn't bad...just not as precise as the Accord. I test drove all of these cars in 2013 when I was shopping for my Accord.

So, yeh, for a $25K car I'd say the steering is pretty good. But if you ever get a chance, go test drive a GTI or Mini...much better steering, but a totally different car, too. And it won't have the reliability or resale value of the Accord. All depends on what you want out of a car really.

Given the choice, however, I'd go back to the hydraulic PS and double wishbone suspension (front and rear) that was on my '03 Accord. That was a much better handling car than the 9th Gen is IMHO.
I owned a 2011 3-series BMW that I just traded in for a new Accord. The steering on that BMW was very good. When I had warranty work done on it and had a 2015 or 2016 3-series, I noticed how much looser the steering was. The steering in my Accord is not as firm as the 2011 BMW, but it is much better than the newer 3-series BMWs.
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I owned a 2011 3-series BMW that I just traded in for a new Accord. The steering on that BMW was very good. When I had warranty work done on it and had a 2015 or 2016 3-series, I noticed how much looser the steering was. The steering in my Accord is not as firm as the 2011 BMW, but it is much better than the newer 3-series BMWs.
Thanks. Wow. That really says a lot if the steering on the 9th Gen Accord is better than the F30/F31 BMW's. I should just go test drive one to see for myself. I've always been afraid to do that for fear of falling in love with it right on the spot but I've read plenty of so-so reviews of the current gen BMW's which makes me think they might not be all that.

What's interesting is that people in BMW forums generally have a lot of nice things to say about the Accord. No, it's not a 328i but they routinely say it's a very solid, all-around, good daily driver that they would consider for themselves were they not driving BMW's.

Here's a BMW forum I've been reading for a few years if anyone would like to search for threads about the Accord (there are a few in there):

F30 / F31 / F32 / F33 / F34 / F36 (2012 - current) - Bimmerfest - BMW Forums
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