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Got a 2016 with a CVT as a loaner today.

Had to drop my 2017 6MT Accord off at the dealer this morning, and they gave me a 2016 with a CVT as a loaner. Prior to this loaner, I had never driven an Accord with a CVT. Holy hell is it bad! The Accord's I4 is a great engine, but the CVT makes it feel ridiculously under powered and boring. Had I test drove a CVT first I'd probably have crossed the Accord off my list of potential cars. The fact that they went with a CVT over a traditional automatic kind of boggles my mind given how terrible the CVT is.


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Had to drop my 2017 6MT Accord off at the dealer this morning, and they gave me a 2016 with a CVT as a loaner. Prior to this loaner, I had never driven an Accord with a CVT. Holy hell is it bad! The Accord's I4 is a great engine, but the CVT makes it feel ridiculously under powered and boring. Had I test drove a CVT first I'd probably have crossed the Accord off my list of potential cars. The fact that they went with a CVT over a traditional automatic kind of boggles my mind given how terrible the CVT is.
I'm right there with you. I was looking at the Accords and test drove about 5-6 I4's with CVT and then took one test drive in the 6AT and was like YES! this feels soooo much better. I have the race car at home when I want to play with 3 pedals

CVT would feel like it was stuttering whenever you 'got on it' from a standstill.....


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All the CVTs I tested produced undesired results. At least the Camrys are still AT. I am kind of leaning towards the 2015+.

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The CVT allows me to have just enough fun in my daily drive - gets me where im going and is by no means a sports car whether it has a V6 or I4 - CVT or not..
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The CVT allows me to have just enough fun in my daily drive - gets me where im going and is by no means a sports car whether it has a V6 or I4 - CVT or not..
I feel the same way. I actually kind of like the "smoothness" compared to an AT.
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I test drove a CVT Sport SE a few days ago. Felt boring and extremely sluggish. They had zero manual Accords on the lot but i ordered one anyway because i know it will bring that car to life. I was told by my salesman that it was the only WOP Sport SE manual on the east coast which im 99% sure is bullspit but i cant wait to pick it up tomorrow.
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I dont mind the CVT. But this is my first one. Slightly worried about its longevity.

Guess well see!
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Had to drop my 2017 6MT Accord off at the dealer this morning, and they gave me a 2016 with a CVT as a loaner. Prior to this loaner, I had never driven an Accord with a CVT. Holy hell is it bad! The Accord's I4 is a great engine, but the CVT makes it feel ridiculously under powered and boring. Had I test drove a CVT first I'd probably have crossed the Accord off my list of potential cars. The fact that they went with a CVT over a traditional automatic kind of boggles my mind given how terrible the CVT is.
Feeling underpowered probably has to do with the computer controlled throttle response and not the CVT. The other thing is you'd have to compare actually performance numbers, the CVT may feel underpowered because it's revving the engine differently than a traditional automatic.

I'm on the otherside of this argument though, I actually like the smooth acceleration curve and lack of shifting of a CVT. I actually have the 2017 Hybrid which doesn't even technically have a CVT (but it operates like one).

Edit: and for the record, obviously the i4 is going to feel sluggish compared to a 6 banger.
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CVTs when programmed correctly will outrun anything, look why F1 banned them. Shifting through gears is fun, but IMO only worth in a true sports car, not a family sedan/coupe. CVT provides improve fuel economy, infinite gears (can always fake 7 gears with paddle shifter), less power-train loss than conventional automatics and can hold max hp and torque when full throttle. Next time you rent the accord with cvt, put in sport mode and floor it. It will hold 6K rpm and never drop while a conventional manual will have to constantly shift to maintain vtec. Yes the cvt may feel slower b/c most people aren't use to them but the actual numbers are the same/better. If you wanted something fast, don't get an accord.
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Question CVT, no enthusiasts needed ?

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Edit: and for the record, obviously the i4 is going to feel sluggish compared to a 6 banger.
But the OP has a I-4 manual 6 speed Accord Sport !

I think Honda should give the CVT I-4 loving Point A to Point Bers a stereo system that is Only tuned to stations that play ELEVATOR MUSIC !

So they don't ever feel the urge to Over throttle the CVTs !

I know there are some CVT I-4 drivers ( minority ) that bought that car even though deep down they have an enthusiasm for the automobile.

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I test drove a CVT Sport SE a few days ago. Felt boring and extremely sluggish. They had zero manual Accords on the lot but i ordered one anyway because i know it will bring that car to life. I was told by my salesman that it was the only WOP Sport SE manual on the east coast which im 99% sure is bullspit but i cant wait to pick it up tomorrow.
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Honda's CVT is one of the better products on the market. Just drive your car for what it's worth, and the CVT should be relatively trouble free for 100k miles. Just avoid doing to many hard accelerations, and driving the car in sport mode to often. I've found that CVTs really don't like extremely dynamic driving behavior.
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Take a long trip on an Interstate and you will marvel at how smooth the CVT is compared to a traditional AT. No harsh downshifts going up hills, just smooth. For long distance traveling it is great. As a daily driver it is different than a traditional AT. I have a 2005 TSX and my wife's 2013 Accord EX-L is quicker off the line , the 2.4 has no Tourque off of idle.

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I must say...that's I'm still getting used to the AT on my coupe. Not sure if the Honda's AT has some sort of adaptive learning mode that takes affect on new cars.
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Bottom line, if you're a passive driver and enjoy smooth gas saving rides, you will love the intended purpose of CVT.

If you drive mildly aggressive, CVT will never be in the proper power band ratio to allow for instant power delivery. As seldomseen points out, CVT is poor at "dynamic driving behavior".

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