Oil filters, oem

[optimist]

Thanks Benji, does anyone else have an opionion on this?? both filters and oil type?

I own a 2005 honda accord ex v6 with 29,000 miles. I bought this car from a friend. He had his oil changed about every 5000 miles at the honda dealership. They used the oem filter and honda bulk oil.

I spoke to several car people and it was recommended that unless I wanted to buy honda filters and oil, that a real good oil is the Motorcraft 5w20 synthetic blend and WIX oil and wix air filters. I checked at O'Reilly's auto parts and the oil filter runs about $6.30. He said that filter is excellent and has the check valve that the oem honda filter has. He also said the motorcraft is very good oil. Someone else on this board said that it only costs about $1.25 or so, but they charge about $2.50 quart and their prices seem reasonable on other items.

Anyway can anyone steer me in the right direction. If i should use the honda oem oil and filters i will, jsut so many choices and so many opionions out there. I want to keep this car to around 125,000 miles so I want to do the right thing. If motorcraft is not the right choice for a honda (i believe it is actually made for fords), then please suggest a brand.

Lastly, I noticed that honda sells a special tool to remove the oil filter. I have several different sized oil filter wrenches, will one of these work or is it necessary to purchase this $20 honda part???

Thanks -----

[Jake07V6]

I only use mobil 1 syn. 5-20 and bosch oil filter $6 at autozone. Bosch is made by champion filters and after reading reviews and actual test its one of the recomended filter by experts.

But if motorcraft is good then wat the hell il buy that and save 15 bucks.

[namegoeshere]

Anyone else care to chime in?

I'm curious about what other oil filters aside from the Honda A01's are good and worth getting since they seem to have been replace by the crappier Fram-made A02 models.

Going to start changing my own oil on the Accord after I use up my 4 free oil changes from the dealer. (Mobil 1 synth but what filter? :dunno: )

Benji recommended (http://www.driveaccord.net/forums/showthread.php?t=9841&highlight=fram) getting a TL oil filter. Do those fit the Accord?

Princess mentions here (http://www.driveaccord.net/forums/showthread.php?t=8988&highlight=fram) that the S2000 filter could also be used.

Here's another thread (http://www.driveaccord.net/forums/showthread.php?t=9980&highlight=fram) with a oil filter discussion going on.

[BenjiBoy650]

I haven't checked with my Acura dealer personally yet so I'm not real sure what filter they're using at the moment. Just saw that some people had the old filter, but my gut feeling is that they've probably switched over to the A02's as well. If it's the "old" bigger filter, it should fit the Accord since they are the same size as the S2K filter AFAIK? Just clarifying :thmsup:

Most people on here would say that Napa Gold/Wix, Purolator, Mobil 1, Bosch and possibly SuperTech are all good filters to use.

[namegoeshere]

Stumbled upon some old reviews of several oil filters here (http://www.oilfilterstudy.com/)....

The SuperTech (http://www.oilfilterstudy.com/supertech-st5.htm) Walmart filter appears to be average.

The Purolator Premium Plus (http://www.oilfilterstudy.com/PurPremPlus.htm) got a good rating while the Purolator Pure One (http://www.oilfilterstudy.com/PurPureOne.htm) got really good (excellent?) rating.

The Wix (http://www.oilfilterstudy.com/wix-51060.htm) filter also got an average review. Doesn't seem to be as good as the Purolator models, but better than the SuperTech.

Of course, these reviews were done in 2004 so quality may have changed some since then. So far, though, I've read very positive things about the Purolator stuff. Wix seems to be pretty good too.

I'm definitely going to check to see if my dealer has any of the Honda A01 stuff when I go in for my oil change on Thursday. If they do, I'm gonna stock up on a few.

[BenjiBoy650]

The SuperTech (http://www.oilfilterstudy.com/supertech-st5.htm) Walmart filter appears to be average.
For $2, I'd be okay with average :biggrin: Nice find

[namegoeshere]

^ And probably better than the new Fram-made Honda A02 filters, huh?

[BenjiBoy650]

^ And probably better than the new Fram-made Honda A02 filters, huh?
Looks to be that way. Only thing I might be concern about is whether that is a rubber or silicon ADBV and I don't know if that's even that big a deal.

The A02, BTW...looks a lot like the famed Fram filters that BITOG hates so much. Pics are too big to post (just gotta click em) but you can see the similarities: plastic pressure bypass valves and cardboard endcaps.
http://www.handa-accessories.com/15400.jpg
http://elabfcsvrt.fdu.edu/bartsch/Prelude/HondaPreludeOilFilters/HondaOEM15400PLMA02.JPG

[namegoeshere]

Yeah, they look very close (almost identical?) in design. But it seems like the Honda A02 has more pleats (therefore more filtration material?) than the Fram filter. :dunno: Maybe it's just the angle of the A02 pic, but it kinda looks that way to me.

BTW, do you (or anyone, really) know if the filter used in the Honda Element is the same as the one in the Accord (looks to be the same part # if I'm not mistaken)?

The reason I ask is because there's a guy (HandA) at the Honda Elements Owners Club (http://www.elementownersclub.com/) who works for H and A accessories and he usually lets the people there know when they get a shipment of Honda A01 filters in so people can stock up.

I'm gonna have to monitor that forum so I can get in on some...

HandA usually makes these announcements in the H and A Accessories thread (http://www.elementownersclub.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=47).

I should probably make this a separate thread, but anyways HandA posted (http://www.elementownersclub.com/forums/showthread.php?t=31757) that there may be a manufacturing defect in certain A01 filters.

A01 filter defects

Just saw a bulletin from Honda that some A01 filters may have a manufacturing defect where the threads are crooked. This can cause the metal housing of the filter to hit the engine block before the seal which can create an oil leak.

The affected filters have lot numbers of 7A26, 7A29, 7A30, 7A31, 7B01, 7B02, 7B03.

This only applies to the A01 filters and only those with the above listed lot#'s

-Trevor

Where's the lot #? See attached pic.

[stevencrosbie]

I've used the Supertech and M1 5-20 since I've had Hondas.

I will switch to Pennzoil Plat. this weekend as I am due for a chance and M1 is too expensive for a GP III oil.


I can't say much about the walmart filter as average is fine with me. Heck, if Honda is going to use a poor filter, average is doing that much better.

[namegoeshere]

GP III oil?

[VTECaddict]

i've been using supertech. $2 for a filter thats better than a $6 fram? duhh.

the only hard part is actually finding them. my local walmart rarely has them in stock, so i got 4 the last time i saw them there.

[thesteve151]

i use frame filters and always have :thmsup: i like them a lot.
i use any heavy weight oil to help with the oil leak. (i only have a small leak left now after the new gaskets :banana: it might just be left over)
and some lucas oil also helps

[MotorCity Honda]

Did my 1st oil change this past weekend.

I've seen a few threads that make mention of issues with the oem filter which is why I went the aftermarket route.

I used mobil 1 syn and also a mobile one filter, unless you guys tell me otherwise I trust mobile products BUT, I would be open to using a less expensive filter if it could provide enhanced filtration performance - suggestions?

[JBrian]

MC oil and OEM filter. I have beaten S2000s, Supra engines and Eagle Talon modded. You tell me. You think I am going to switch oil filters now? ahaha if my filter isn't kicking arse and its supposed to be the cheapest, I wonder what putting some Purolator, Wix or Napa would do for me? I just beat the ET going on 4500 miles on MC and OEM cheap fram filter so it's not new oil either and only my first time using it. You choose your destiny.

I think it's funny that an oil filter is now considered a performance item :lmao: .

[BenjiBoy650]

MC oil and OEM filter. I have beaten S2000s, Supra engines and Eagle Talon modded. You tell me. You think I am going to switch oil filters now? ahaha if my filter isn't kicking arse and its supposed to be the cheapest, I wonder what putting some Purolator, Wix or Napa would do for me? I just beat the ET going on 4500 miles on MC and OEM cheap fram filter so it's not new oil either and only my first time using it. You choose your destiny.
It ain't April Fools, you can stop kidding around now

[mwmcginn]

I use the Pure One oil filters, dont cost much, and are highly rated. They seem well made and look really awesome on cars where you can see them.

[RedSoxHonda3]

mobal 1 and k&n are what i use and seem to be good. the heavyer the better for the oil filter

[BenjiBoy650]

I don't know, if I didn't use the OEM crap Fram filter, I would go for the ST but does the ST come with the bypass valve that the Honda OEM filter have? Stock is supposed to regulate oil pressure better...I heard it here as well as the guy who I bought it from in another city from a Honda dealer. I went with that but obviously that is not enough for some folks. My results don't lie and neither do I and I will take a lie detector test and besides, regulating oil pressure has a lot to do with how a car runs.
:lmao: This is the most hilarious post ever

All name brand oil filters on the market for Hondas have a bypass valve

Your results have NOTHING to do with your oil filter

Likewise, your filter regulating oil pressure has NOTHING to do with how your car runs.

Lie detector test :lmao: I almost fell over laughing when I read that

[stiller fan]

hmmmm, lie detector test....... :naughty:

anyone have a camera, with PICTURES of results??? :lurk:

:worthless

[JBrian]

06VTECV6AT

Just to bring you back down to earth, you’re all stock Seven generation Accord under idea conditions, Density Altitude say -1000 (That doesn’t happen very often), power braking above the flash stall of the converter (2000Rpm+) and shifting manually at the redline may net you a 14.9 @ 93ish Mph. To go any faster, you’d have to be racing down hill.

All your claims about beating other cars on the street are hog wash, nothing but meaningless chatter. If you want to see what you car can run, please take it to a sanctioned ¼ mile drag strip. IF you have the guts to do so and you live in a city where other board members live (I live in Houston and go to HRP when I want to race), please let them know so they can watch, it should make for a great show! PLEASE line up against any S2000, 350Z, SRT4 Neon, LT1 or LS1 Camaro or Firebird any Mustang GT or a number of other cars you claim to have beaten. Maybe, just maybe the humility of seeing their tail light disappear in front of your very eyes will cause you to think before you speak.

The Accord is a wonderfully balanced family sedan, but it’s NOT a race car. Synthetic oil and transmission fluid are NOT going to make your car faster. Come back down to earth and stop making ridiculous claims that you cannot backup.

[JBrian]

06VTECV6AT You are hopeless…

[stevencrosbie]

From Car and Driver:

2003 EX V6 6MT 0-60: 5.9s
2006 EX VT AT: 0-60: 6.6s:

Sources:

http://www.caranddriver.com/comparisons/11109/2006-honda-accord-ex-v-6.html
http://www.caranddriver.com/roadtests/7011/honda-accord-coupe-ex-v-6.html


Simply put, you are wrong on all accounts. Your AT will not beat the Accord 6MT. Not possible. There is a 0.7s distance between the two times. Lastly, you can stop attacking members who call you out on your obvious errors/lies. Its not harassment when they correct you, but it is harassment when you come back, call them names "hater" and then proceed with more false information.

[JBrian]

Bottom line is this..squash all the rhetoric (all yours), tell me a time and place and I can start my annihilation on y our 6 spd. that is, if you're "Still in houston"?!
Tell you what Youngman; I will take your challenge at anyone of the three sanctioned dragstrips in Houston, HRP ¼ mile;
HMP 1/8 mile or Sealy 1/8 or ¼ mile, you choose, heads up drag race. By the way, if you read what people posted you would note that I drive a EX-L 2.4L 5-speed manual sedan. Honda did not make V6 6-speed sedans until 2006. And if you think a 2006 Accord 2.4L automatic can beat any year Generation 7 Accord 2.4L 5-speed manual, you just don’t understand the dynamics of low horsepower motors coupled with manual vs automatic transmissions.

[MJL]

WTH why do you have a 6sp brace then. I read that thought you had a 6 spd. Forget it. GO to a Honda dealer and buy a 6MT and then meet me AT THE DRAGSTRIP. ok? <you all can close this thread now> All you DIY wanksters should stop, take a breath and enjoy the finer things in life then your inordinate amount of time spent meddling with intrinsic values of your ride. And if you wanted handling like a 6sp, you shoulda bought a 6 spd tough guy and let your wallet do the talking.

Uhhh, I have a 6spd brace, doesnt mean I WANT a 6spd, but I would like to have my handling firmed up a bit, nothing wrong with that. I also have the 17mm rear sway, it also helps with the handling, and thats off the TL, doesn't mean I shoulda went out and bought a TL, thats just bad reasoning on your part. In Fact my wallet IS doing the talking and its saying get a 4cyl because I can get better gas mileage and SAVE money, but its still possible to get better handling by using v6 and/or TL parts.

I see nothing wrong with anyone asking for proof that you can outrace these other cars, but when they are speaking strictly on the numbers, they are saying you would lose. Lie detector, smie detector...you coulda easily pass one of those if you THINK you beat other cars when in reality you might not have.

[MJL]

Stay tuned I guess but I do not have to validate what I post in my signature to anyone. IT is true and noone has offered a lie detector and until that happens, it's 100% true pending your offer.


Sure, you don't have to validate what you post to anyone, but also don't expect people to believe you either. We've already had others on this forum that liked to say things that weren't true and expected us to believe what they said without proof, but not all of us are gullible.

And I think you missed my point with what I said about the lie detector. I'm not offering anything, just saying that a lie detector would prove nothing in this case because you could easily fool one if you THINK you beat these cars when in reality you might not have. A lie detector won't prove this, but numbers don't lie.

[stiller fan]

you know, MJL is right here....

prove to us that you can beat the cars that you say that you can.... and post pics as well of your cars....

it's not hard to do, you know.... before i lost my camera, i used to post pics all the time......

[stevencrosbie]

06VTECV6AT

I've deleted two of your posts b/c of their highly offensive nature. You've been warned several times before. Please think before you decide to submit a post b/c that behavior is going to quickly cause your future here to shorten....

[BenjiBoy650]

06VTECV6AT was allowed FOUR strikes? BANNED FOREVER

Sorry to all those who have been attacked by this guy

[psyshack]

He never offend me. People need to have thicker skin. Thats one reason Ive slowed down here. If I wanted sterile I'd hang out in a OR. Folks get way offended way to easy now days. Remember he trampled thru one of my threads. all sorts of folks got bent. Over what I still don't know.

psy

[namegoeshere]

06VTECV6AT must have LOTS of stickers on his car and each one must add like 5hp. That's it! That's how s/he does it.

:ducks: :paranoid:

[BenjiBoy650]

He never offend me. People need to have thicker skin. Thats one reason Ive slowed down here. If I wanted sterile I'd hang out in a OR. Folks get way offended way to easy now days. Remember he trampled thru one of my threads. all sorts of folks got bent. Over what I still don't know.

psy
Well our rule is not don't offend anyone, it's no personal attacks