Can anyone please explain to me why all the sedans I looked at had 60/40 split folding seats, yet the accord is one full piece that folds down!?!?!

I hate it! :( I basically can't have multiple skis or a snowboard or whatever else with 3 people in the car! :(:(:(

How am I supposed to travel with long stuff and 3+ people??!?!?

which accord do you have? my 06 2dr has 60/40 fold down

which accord do you have? my 06 2dr has 60/40 fold down

Oh man how that makes the wound worse! :(

I have 2007 Accord SE. I could be wrong, and maybe just cause I looked at a LOT of sedans... but I really thought the accord had 60/40...

the sedans are full fold down

the sedans are full fold down

WHY would they have chosen this, especially when others are 60/40!?

Do you think there is any affordable way to make it 60/40?

The specs on Honda's site only says for 2007 that a fold-down rear seatback with lock is standard (60/40 not specified). On all but the VP, it says a fold-down rear seat center armrest/trunk pass through is available. My '03 Accord Cpe also has the 60/40, but no pass-through. Unlike my '01 Acura CL (supposedly the chassis the accord is based on?) didn't fold down at all.. it *only* had the pass-through. Chalk it up to Honda quirkyness.. like only allowing EX-L V6 owners the Homelink option.

Its a give or take situation.

Coupe owners get 60/40 seats, but no armrest or ski pass through. Sedan Owners get full seat fold flat, and an armrest w/pass through. Sorry if this sounds 'negative', but if you needed to be able to use the rear seat and take large items with you, you should've inculded that into your car research (and checked coupes AND sedans) as well as thought about buying a larger vehicle (CR-V).

About the CL mentioned in the last post, the current Accord is somewhat based off the old CL/TL, but if anything is similar, it'd be the 1st/2nd gen CL's to 5th/6th Gen Accords.

Ya I have the pass-through, but that leaves room for basically only ONE pair of skis.

I almost always go with someone, and they most likely have a snowboard... and that means no 3rd person can join us :(

Apart from a roof mount (NO THANKS) is there anything I can do!? I wonder if any body shop would MAKE it a 60/40?

My accord has the 60/40 and full width pass though? maybe its because its a UK car and all ours are imports from Japan? But if they fit, you may be able to find and swop one? :dunno:
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My accord has the 60/40 and full width pass though? maybe its because its a UK car and all ours are imports from Japan? But if they fit, you may be able to find and swop one? :dunno:
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Not gonna work, and most of our accords are built here. We've never had your Accord as any Honda/Acura model in the U.S.

Apart from a roof mount (NO THANKS) is there anything I can do!? I wonder if any body shop would MAKE it a 60/40?

No body shop will make it a 60/40, but a custom interior shop might, but the seat is not that simple. It has a frame, and the coupe one will not just 'pop' into the Sedan. I don't even think it'd fit.

There is essentially nothing within reason you can do. Should've bought the model that was better for you if you knew you'd be using the car to ski and such, but you still have a really great car! :thumbsup: :yes: :thmsup:

Honda has a Ski Rack made JUST for your Accord. Go look into it.

Honda has a Ski Rack made JUST for your Accord. Go look into it.

Does it work with snowboards too?

I believe so. go to www.hondacars.com .

Its in the Accord-Acessories Page.

As I assume your next question is "Where can I buy it?".

http://www.collegehillshonda.com is your answer.

Accord's shocking lack of a 60/40 fold down rear seatback and inability to play CD-RW discs are among the stupidest and most vile, heinous, disgusting omissions in a motor vehicle this century. Even the cheapest Hyundai Accent plays CD-RW and has a 60/40 split seatback. So does, as another example, the cheapest entry level Ford Focus.

These two issues seriously anger me to no end. In what is otherwise a superb car, Honda decided that their Accord customers aren't good enough for these basic, brainless features-- Features that make sense-- Features that should be standard on all cars on this friggin' planet.

Honda has exhibited astounding, brazen ineptitude in their willful decision to omit these features, and the guy, woman, or group of people responsible for these issues deserve to be fired or flogged. Preferably both.

Alright, forget the bodily harm part. But I’m serious about being scathingly angered by the matter. I mean, for these people to leave these complete numbskull features out they must have balls of steel! I just... can't... believe it...

:rant: :furious: :headbash: :censored:

My Accord can play CD-RW...sometimes :dunno:

Bet you the 3.2CL had a cross brace just like the Camry SE's do...nothing to do with cost cutting but you can't make a seat fold down just to let the consumer see a big X across the opening

So the sedan owners are complaining that they don't have 60/40. Next thing you know, we'll be hearing from coupe owners complaining about not having the center armrest and pass-through. Then there are the CL/TL owners who'll be upset because they have neither. Sheesh ... Just can't please anyone. :dunno: The grass is always greener somewhere else...

I, for one, like the center armrest in the sedan. It gives the car a classier and more elegant look, which is partially why we chose the Accord in the first place. I liked having the 60/40 split in our previous coupe, but I don't miss it much. If I need to carry cargo, I'll go get a CRV or Pilot, or borrow a friend's truck.

You just have to choose what works best for you, but keep in mind that whatever you drive, it'll be a compromise in some way ... except for the V6/6MT, of course -- good power AND decent fuel economy. :thmsup:

Se La Vie, that's just the way it goes, THAT'S LIFE! :selavie:

I think you mean c'est la vie

haha

I used to have the CD player in my Accord before I went Aftermarket, our previous TSX, and 03 Accord played CD-R's fine.

Make sure you're burning a music CD and not an MP3 CD.

This is a good question - if anything, this could have created a point of parts sharing between the coupe and sedan: Design a split fold seat with armrest and use it in both sedan and coupe.

Wouldn't doing the above save Honda some money?

I believe the single folding back has to do with structural rigidity in the sedan

This is a good question - if anything, this could have created a point of parts sharing between the coupe and sedan: Design a split fold seat with armrest and use it in both sedan and coupe.

Wouldn't doing the above save Honda some money?
It's easy to do but I don't think that's the point. If you're going skiing with 3 friends, it's nice to have a skinny little passthrough and still be able to seat 4 full size people. Compare to Toyota's approach, you want to fit four people and skis, you need to fold down 40% of the seat and cram 2 people on the rest.

It's easy to do but I don't think that's the point. If you're going skiing with 3 friends, it's nice to have a skinny little passthrough and still be able to seat 4 full size people. Compare to Toyota's approach, you want to fit four people and skis, you need to fold down 40% of the seat and cram 2 people on the rest.
There's no reason that Honda has to remove the armrest/passthrough assembly to split the sedan's bench 60/40... but you never know, they might pull a 'yota move with that.

I think the seat would be too weak with both...at least that's how it feels to me.

I think the seat would be too weak with both...at least that's how it feels to me.
The plastic passtrough door and its frame is made from a thick plastic. That along with an inch of carpeted seatback-back on the border of the split, should be plenty rigid :)

The plastic passtrough door and its frame is made from a thick plastic. That along with an inch of carpeted seatback-back on the border of the split, should be plenty rigid :)
I know what it's made of, you're not the only one with both a Camry and an Accord in your garage :P Might be a problem in rear end collisions? :dunno:

I know what it's made of, you're not the only one with both a Camry and an Accord in your garage :P Might be a problem in rear end collisions? :dunno:
....especially if you have stuff in your trunk. :paranoid: Having a ski passthrough and 60/40 folding seats would mean the frame for the seat back has to be really strong or the passthrough cover has to lock into the frame (not over). You don't see too many MFG's offering that on their cars.

Honda started having the full fold down seats in the Accord Sedans since the 6th gen, I believe.. And like 07ACC4DREXL-V6 mentioned in his post above, it has something to do with adding structural rigidity to the car.

Just be glad your seat actually folds down! Accord Hybrid, Subaru Legacy, 3rd gen Acura TL owners, etc have a fixed seat! :eek:

This is a clever rear seat idea. The folded bit seen hanging behind the top rear of the seat can be unhooked and clipped to the back of the seat to allow the seat/seats to fold forward in required.. Or as shown in the pic, it simply extends to make the boot cover longer. :)

I have this seating arrangement in my ZX and have found it usefull dozens of times, I love it. :D

Hmmm ... now I have to try to attache a pic again. (I did it to show my 'new' ZX on that thread) so here goes ....

Just be glad your seat actually folds down! Accord Hybrid, Subaru Legacy, 3rd gen Acura TL owners, etc have a fixed seat! :eek:
All Camry SE, and XLE's with reclining rear seats, don't fold either I don't think. Neither does the Corolla XRS

Honda started having the full fold down seats in the Accord Sedans since the 6th gen, I believe.. And like 07ACC4DREXL-V6 mentioned in his post above, it has something to do with adding structural rigidity to the car.
My '94 EX sedan has a full fold down rear seat too, so the 5th gen. has it too.

I agree with some of you, and I think not having a 60/40 in the sedan is the worst idea ever, regardless of the reasoning! Most sedan owners have a sedan b/c they carry multiple passengers, which would imply that they would need to haul stuff AND carry more than two people from time to time. :rolleyes:

Our 3rd gen has a full fold down rear seat too

The full fold down has ALWAYS been that way on 4dr Accords. (Excluding station wagons).

Hatchback's all had 60/40 and Coupes 6th gen forward had 60/40.

Interesting.. I never know sedan don't have the 60/40 fold.. I went to snowboarding with my coupe few times already and able to fit at least 2 snowboards (plus binding) with half fold only :thmsup:

Honda started having the full fold down seats in the Accord Sedans since the 6th gen, I believe.. And like 07ACC4DREXL-V6 mentioned in his post above, it has something to do with adding structural rigidity to the car.

just fyi, the full fold-down seat go back to at least the 4th gen, if not earlier..... mine folds down flat....

it would have made it easier if i could have passed that tree that i hauled during orthodox easter sunday 2006 thru a pass-thru tho.....

No offense, but I could care less that my Accord does not have 60/40 split seats :dunno: I would never, ever and have never, ever needed it. Basically car manufacturers cant make every buyer happy. I live in south texas and have NO reason to fold my back seat 60/40 at all.

No offense, but I could care less that my Accord does not have 60/40 split seats :dunno: I would never, ever and have never, ever needed it. Basically car manufacturers cant make every buyer happy. I live in south texas and have NO reason to fold my back seat 60/40 at all.


Seemingly a 60/40 would please everyne. You can fold down 60, 40, or 100... nobody is left unhappy :)

Seemingly a 60/40 would please everyne. You can fold down 60, 40, or 100... nobody is left unhappy :)

Go talk to Honda. We can't do anything :yes: . :nuts:

If the seats bother you this much, go buy a different car, it's common sense! Like I posted in my last post, this is how Honda has done it forever with the Accord, apparently it's working for them.

Take it or leave it. :thmsup:
Tyler

No offense, but I could care less that my Accord does not have 60/40 split seats

Agreed. If I needed to Haul things I wouldn't have an Accord.

Seemingly a 60/40 would please everyne. You can fold down 60, 40, or 100... nobody is left unhappy :)
Actually I had the $500 option of 60/40 split folding seats on my erstwhile '99 540i, and altho I admit to using the utility of that feature a couple of times, there was also the issue of multitudinous squeaks that came from those stupid seats. You'd think a $56k MSRP car wouldn't have this problem, but it was pretty bad on bad residential roads. :censored: At highway speeds it faded into the ambient noise.

There was no E-Z fix either, other than loosening some bolts, aligning things as well as possible, and then tightening the bolts back down at one end of the bolt hole tolerance. Neither WD-40 nor copious amounts of silicone spray could touch the annoying squeaking. I was WAY out of warranty too, so I had no help from the dealer.

So maybe Honda did us a favor by eliminating all of the extra joins and pivot points (potential squeak generators) of 60/40 seats? :dunno:

My seats don't even fold down :naughty: :naughty: :naughty: :naughty:

I think the thinking by Honda is that sedans are the "family car" so you'd want the tray & cup holders in the center back.... the coupe is for the rest of the world that would only occationally even need the back seat, so the split seat is more along the "other than a family" way of thinking. :dunno:

I don't think they are the same width. So you couldn't just change out the back area for the coupe's. If I remember right, the coupe has a smaller backseat.... again, less built for "the family".

A three-way fold down for both would be an ideal plan.... so you still have the center cup holders & pass-through.

We use the full fold down feature 10 times more than the little hole or cup holders. :D

I dont get why you can open the windows with your key but cant close them with it. Would it really have been that difficult to make it so if you keep the lock button down then the windows would close? i just dont get. Sorry about the subject change hehe. just ranting along.

None of the many reasons, explanations, excuses given, explain why Honda did (do?) make all the rear seat variations available for EU cars like mine, but don't do so for the US market? Less competition for the Accord in the US maybe? :dunno:
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There are def thing I wish my car would do. However, I knew its capabilities and shortcomings before I signed the dotted line. If I really needed features that I didn't get, I would have not bought the car I did.

None of the many reasons, explanations, excuses given, explain why Honda did (do?) make all the rear seat variations available for EU cars like mine, but don't do so for the US market? Less competition for the Accord in the US maybe? :dunno:
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Well your Accord was never made here, and size wise, it's more equivalent to our Civic. (Which has 60/40. But no rear armrest - at least on pre 06 models). :yes:

It really has nothing to do with U.K. vs. U.S. comp. It has everything to do with what the average Accord Buyer is likely to need. Most new Accord buyers are 30-50 year olds, middle to upper middle class. I think I read somewhere online the average Accord owners annual combined household (with spouse I suppose) income is about 80-100k a year, and the big one, most have more than one car in their household. I know about 15 people that have Accords with Pilots or Odyssey's in their driveway (CR-V's too, but not so much) so I believe that one. Probably, instead of spending that money on a split fold, they'd rather have an excellent powerplant, nice seats, a few extras etc. I'd take any of those over a split seat and loosing my pass through. It's much more useful than a split fold. (James, does your Accord have an Armrest, and a pass through? I'm betting it has an armrest and not the pass through. I'd like to know. :wave: ) Either way, we as Americans and maybe just the consumer public in gerneral are greedy little 'biotches'. Honda gives us the only car in the segment (as far as I know) with remote controlled windows, and we say "Hey why doesn't this go up too! I actually have to WALK to my CAR and turn the key in the door to roll it up? What's up with that!". Sometimes we just need to be thankful for what was given to you at a very minimal price compared to previous models.

Hi Accordlover. I think Honda and many other car Co's make cars specific for certain markets. And the UK market is very very competitive. We can buy anything here!! :) And in the mid size saloons here (and in EU) petrol cars don't sell well.. Whereas from what I read, the choice is far more limited in the US. And pitched against a larger proportion of big vehicles the Accord sells much better.. :)

Dunno about the pass through? it does have an arm rest, I can see it through the window! :D I rarely use the Accord these days prefering to use the ZX 99% of the time. But when it stops raining and daylight returns, I will go look see exactly what the fittings are, and report back.. :)
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Honda started having the full fold down seats in the Accord Sedans since the 6th gen, I believe..

earlier than that.... my '87 had a full fold-down seat :yes:

Our '86 sedan had it, but the '82 didn't.....

Right, just checked the rear seat arrangement on my Accord..

In the boot you can see two pull chords, one on each side, pulling on them releases a catch allowing the seat to move forward at the top, and fold down, the split is 60/40 with the centre arm rest attached to the 60% side.

Lowering the rear seats gives total access to the full width of the boot opening from inside the car :) The opening with both seats down is approx 14 inch in height and approx 3 ft 10 inches in width.. The cross beam that the boot hinges on is pretty substantial, I see no problem from a body strength point of view.. :dunno:

The car has air con. cruise control, leather seats, elec sun roof, 4 elec windows, elec mirrors, with a 4 speaker CD, mp3, radio thingy that is prob an aftermarket fitting by its prev owner.. :dunno:

It has a Honda 2 litre 4 cylinder fi petrol engine and 4 sp auto box fitted.. Performance-wise, I have had it up too 125 mph but then ran out of room due to catching up to slower moving traffic, :rolleyes: so it will obviously do a bit better than that if given a decent lenght of clear straight road to work with.. :naughty:

Ave forecourt price of a similar car, in similar condition here, is about £1,800.. 3,600$? ish.. That's all I can think of at the moment, any questions please ask. :)

The UK Civic is slightly smaller than my ZX, which in turn is 12 inches shorter than the Accord but the same size in width, The Civic is now available here in a 4 door saloon version as well. :thmsup: I had an old 1998 ish 2 door Civic Hatch back (I like hatch backs) 1400cc carb job with autobox doing 36 mpg! Nice car but just too small for my requirements. :( So I sold it about 3 years ago.. It was a nice car to drive though. :)
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Seemingly a 60/40 would please everyne. You can fold down 60, 40, or 100... nobody is left unhappy :)
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No offense, but I could care less that my Accord does not have 60/40 split seats :dunno: I would never, ever and have never, ever needed it. Basically car manufacturers cant make every buyer happy. I live in south texas and have NO reason to fold my back seat 60/40 at all.

Why ppl in south texas dont want to fold their back seat? :dunno:

:D :D :D

Why ppl in south texas dont want to fold their back seat? :dunno:

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:dunno: .....no need to. I have a Tahoe to carry loads of junk in. :thmsup: :banana: :thmsup: :banana: :thmsup: :banana:

:dunno: .....no need to. I have a Tahoe to carry loads of junk in. :thmsup: :banana: :thmsup: :banana: :thmsup: :banana:

that's nothing deal with south texas....

my response to this thread is...

I don't see why you are complaining about this. Most subarus in sedan trims didn't even have folding rear seats at all up untill 2007 when the legacy got it. The TL's dont have folding rear seats, etc etc etc. It comes down to preference. Some people like the passthrough/armrest, and some people like 60/40 folding seats. If this makes you unhappy with your car then you need to do more research before you buy a car next time. There are lots of cars that have 60/40 folding rear seats, it's just that the 7th gen accord sedan is not one of them. My coupe has 60/40 folding rear seats, and I knew this when I bought it. Do your research and define your needs.

It comes down to preference. Some people like the passthrough/armrest, and some people like 60/40 folding seats. If this makes you unhappy with your car then you need to do more research before you buy a car next time.
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Unless I can't follow all these conversations, it seems like most of you are saying you prefer having the passthrough/arm rest. You act like you can't have both?

I see no problem with 60/40 seats AND having an armrest/passthrough

Why ppl in south texas dont want to fold their back seat?

Well, I live in S. Texas and I do use my fold down. It always puts a grin on my face when people in the Home Depot/Lowes parking lot stare in fascination as I magically make 10' lengths of PVC or 2x4's "disappear" into the trunk of my car. :biggrin:

Honestly, I'm not sure why Honda decided Sedan=full fold down while Coupe=60/40. I bought the sedan over the coupe because the coupe has horrible (imo) headroom in the back seat. To me, the coupe should have the full fold-down. I don't take passengers all that often, but when I do I didn't want them coming out with a neck ache, not to mention the pain of climbing into the back seat without the spare doors.

To me, the coupe should have the full fold-down

Just FYI, the coupe can fold both seats down just like the sedan does (but of course I need to fold the seats separately instead of once..)

I see no problem with 60/40 seats AND having an armrest/passthrough
I wouldn't object to having both of those, either, but I accept that ALL designs are compromises, in one way or another, whether we're talking about cars, planes, computers, electronics, etc. Nothing happens for free; one thing always displaces or alters something else somewhere.

There is no such thing as a perfect car, no matter how much we all want one to exist; and there isn't one single vehicle, regardless of cost or configuration, that does everything well. Putting 60/40 and the armrest/pass-through together would be neat (and I agree, entirely feasible), but it would come at the expense of added complexity, possibly reduced structural rigidity, added weight, increased cost, and maybe even ... more rattles!

I'm happy with my Accord, just as it is, especially for how much I paid for it. If I need a vehicle to do something the Accord can't do, then I'll find another vehicle that can. I can live with small quirks, because I appreciate how great the rest of the package really is. :thmsup:

Unless I can't follow all these conversations, it seems like most of you are saying you prefer having the passthrough/arm rest. You act like you can't have both?

It was mentioned earlier that structually, no you can't. I'm sure it was tried, I suspect a safety concern moreso.

I see no problem from a body strength point of view.. :dunno:

It's not the body strength, it's the seat frame strength. Maybe you're not understanding what we mean by 'pass through'.

Behind our armrest here on the Accords, there is a door for putting longer things through like skis. What people would 'ideally' like to have is that, with 60/40 AND armrest. The 1x2 ft hole in the seat is where structural integrity comes into play, there's not many ways you can give full support to the 60% seatback. That's the issue.

>>>Maybe you're not understanding what we mean by 'pass through'.<<<

Aha now I understand the problem. You have a hole behind the armrest (must have BIG mice in the US) ;) thanks Accordlover :)) But surely in this day and age it should be a fairly simple mod to make? :dunno: Give me the drawings and I am sure I could resolve this in about 30 mins!! However, would Honda consider making the modification money well spent? That's probably the real issue here.. :dunno:

Erm, I thought everyone in the US owned a huge pick up truck for carrying grocery's and stuff? :banana: :banana: :lmao: :nuts:
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" I thought everyone in the US owned a huge pick up truck for carrying grocery's and stuff? "


:lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao:

Erm, I thought everyone in the US owned a huge pick up truck for carrying grocery's and stuff? :banana: :banana: :lmao: :nuts:
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We wanted a truck, but couldn't find one with an armrest, pass-through, and 60/40 split seats. :lmao:

>>>Maybe you're not understanding what we mean by 'pass through'.<<<

Aha now I understand the problem. You have a hole behind the armrest (must have BIG mice in the US) ;) thanks Accordlover :)) But surely in this day and age it should be a fairly simple mod to make? :dunno: Give me the drawings and I am sure I could resolve this in about 30 mins!! However, would Honda consider making the modification money well spent? That's probably the real issue here.. :dunno:

Erm, I thought everyone in the US owned a huge pick up truck for carrying grocery's and stuff? :banana: :banana: :lmao: :nuts:
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Accord is the car for me to carry all the grocery stuff :D But seriously, I think Accord is big enough for me for daily use.

Erm, I thought everyone in the US owned a huge pick up truck for carrying grocery's and stuff? :banana: :banana: :lmao: :nuts:
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Yah, sadly many people do needlessly own big trucks and suv's. A lot of people don't even need as much cargo space as the accord has (which is very small compared to a lot of wagons). I own a coupe, and have plenty of cargo space for my needs. If I am moving I'll rent a van or truck as there is no need to own one and needlessly burn all that fuel every day. My girlfriend's friend's husband just got an F250 and really has no need for it as he has an office job. Makes me kind of sick and very angry, especially when justifications for buying it are made as if it was purchased for a practical reason. I wish gas prices were higher so people who don't need vehicles like that wouldn't opt to drive them anyway, and I'd also have a better choice of cleaner, more fuel efficient cars that aren't totally dull to drive.

Yah, sadly many people do needlessly own big trucks and suv's.
Sorry to go off-topic, but I'm especially annoyed when these same drivers justify driving large vehicles by saying that they do it to feel safer on the road. In other words, never mind what happens to the other drivers and their passengers, as long as they're assured that they'll survive a crash -- regardless of who caused the accident. I understand that some people have justifiable and legitimate reasons for having large SUV's, and I have nothing against them; It's all the rest who do it simply for "self-preservation" or even worse, for status, who bug me.

OK. Rant over. Sorry. :sorry:

i really dont see much of a problem with the 60/40 thing...i use to think it was a problem kuz i put my surfboard in it..and i would have to fold down the back seat..leaving no more then two people in the car....but then i've evolved..hahaha...or adapted and ended up being able to seat 4 people including myself in the car......all i did was put my shortboard..*i've put longer boards in the car too*...in the middle area of the car..where the middle column is...and it fits fine there with the tail of the board going towards the back window of the car...and i have romo to spare and it's safe too...hehe...

Surf? Skis? We dont get enough large waves for real surfing anywhere in the UK, all our beaches are good for, is to encourage city folk to visit on annual holidays and practice drowning because they dont understand things like 'offshore winds' or 'tides'.... :naughty: :thmsup: :biggrin:

I do hear the odd story's of people ski ing in the Scottish highlands, but its not a good place to be, last time I went up there (the result of a serious map reading error) :blush: it was full of hairy men wearing frocks and throwing telegraph poles around, crazy lot, best avoided.. :)

4x4s are very popular in the UK with upper middle class wives who live in large city centres, and have to drive their kids the 300 yards to and from school everyday.. They make up for this apparent lack of 'green' concern by paying to have trees planted in outer Mongolia where they promptly get chopped up by the gratefull locals for firewood. :)

I guess a pass - through would be usefull to people who like to take rhubarb pies when they go for picnics on the village car parks at the weekends huh? :biggrin: :lmao:

We used to have village greens with flowers, lil ponds, ducks n stuff, :) but a kid fell in one in 1732, caught a chill and died 7 years later, so they passed an act of parliament and got them all filled in, concreted over, and made into car parks charging £5 per hour.. :(

As far as the global warming issues are concerned I think it will solve itself, we left it too late :paranoid: The climate will get so bad that it will kill 99% of the human population, the remaining 1% wont be a problem so the climate will settle down again' and we can be begin the whole polution saga once more :)
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"We used to have village greens with flowers, lil ponds, ducks n stuff, but a kid fell in one in 1732, caught a chill and died 7 years later, so they passed an act of parliament and got them all filled in, concreted over, and made into car parks charging £5 per hour.."

I thought that kind of stupid stuff only happend here!! I guess we had to learn if from somewhere!! :lmao:


"As far as the global warming issues are concerned I think it will solve itself, we left it too late The climate will get so bad that it will kill 99% of the human population, the remaining 1% wont be a problem so the climate will settle down again' and we can be begin the whole polution saga once more "

Oh my, aren't you the perky one today!!! :paranoid:


On long trips the kids have used the tray/cup holder area between them the set stuff. We take travel sized games a lot. The cup holders hold quite a few light bright pegs!! :thmsup:

The pass-through is occationally used by me to carry long narrow stick type things. One of those things that I'd miss if they removed it, but wouldn't buy a car for that. :dunno:

>>>I thought that kind of stupid stuff only happend here!! I guess we had to learn if from somewhere!! <<<

The good news it - - - the "PC" do-gooders have finally caused so much stupidity and confusion in the corridoors of power here, that everywhere people are breaking out with moments of common sense, and Political-correctness is now becoming very unpopular in all walks of life! :thmsup: :biggrin:

'Off topic' or rather 'even more off topic' :naughty: The weather here today is beautifull, birds are singing, the sun is shining, the sky is a brilliant blue, bulbs are coming up out of the ground all over the place, spring is a lovely time of year in England.. :)
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...last time I went up there (the result of a serious map reading error) :blush: it was full of hairy men wearing frocks and throwing telegraph poles around, crazy lot, best avoided.. :).

Now that was funny. I'm starting to believe that Americans really are lazy, because our "crazy lot" just sit around playing a banjo. I can't imagine them trying to lift a telegraph pole, much less throw it.

The no-split folding seat bugged me at first, but the number of times that it was useful in my previous Civic amounted to one trip to Home Depot for cement mix and wiring conduit, when I had 2 passengers. And we should have used a truck for that trip anyways. (I'm looking up the Outer Mongolian tree planting service right after this for having a truck thought)