http://www.vtec.net/news/news-image?image=671526/07nyias-100.jpg


If this is the new Hyundai that will be coming out, I see myself not owning another Honda Product......unless they forget the sport aspect that this car could have.

You can't argue with that value of the new TAU 4.6L V8 in a sedan that comes in at less than 40k...

http://hyundaiconceptgenesis.com/

The concept's homepage. :thmsup:

Very Infinity looking. I like it.

EDIT - Someone please remove the camry front fascia.

No question in my mind I will be testing this car. Hyundai's value is amazing and this car will probably go for less than the Base TL. If that is the case, I'll jump ship as the value of the Hyundai Products are testing Honda's value.

Looks cool too. Can't wait to see that interior.

While this new concept looks promising, I still Honda is a better value in the long run. I actually went out to test drive a Sonata and found that the suspension setup was just really crappy. cant even take a speed bump without feeling the back of the car crash, and plus it just has that heavy car feel to it.

maybe this genesis will be an awesome performance vehicle, but who knows what could happen with recalls and first year design issues.

hope honda has something to answer back when this car makes production. 2009 SHAWD rear-wheel biased Acura TL/TL Type S maybe?

maybe this genesis will be an awesome performance vehicle, but who knows what could happen with recalls and first year design issues.

FYI - The Accord has had many more recalls, technical service bulletins, and known issues (like exploding automatic trannies :lmao: ) than the current, or previous Sonata.

I've seen more than enough people saatisfied with their Hyundais in the long run to feel fine buying one, Our family had 2 '03 Accords, and one '03 Sonata (All 4cyls) at the same time at one point, and the Sonata had one issue, the Accords both went back to the dealer more than once.

The reliability of my own Honda has convinced me that Honda is still far from unreliable, but is not what I as a customer expect them to be. Let alone, todays Hondas are a far cry from the relaibility and long term durability without repair that their ancestors had. With nothing quite amazing going on at Honda right now, I see little to nothing attracting me to their newest vehicles. Hyundai has a fresh line of exciting vehicles, and people are noticing.

FYI - The Accord has had many more recalls, technical service bulletins, and known issues (like exploding automatic trannies :lmao: ) than the current, or previous Sonata.
That's because Honda does a lot more things voluntarily where Hyundai, Nissan, Toyota either leave you hanging or need to get their pants taken off first with a class action lawsuit

That's because Honda does a lot more things voluntarily where Hyundai, Nissan, Toyota either leave you hanging or need to get their pants taken off first with a class action lawsuit

I understand that, but still, there arn't many issues that owners are experienceing with these cars. That's a good thing. I haven't heard of any lawsuits yet, so that's also a good thing. I suppose it really is a flip of the coin on any car you buy. Just one little imperfection in the assembly process could ruin your ownership experience. :yes: I guess you'll never know how hot or cold the water is until you jump in.

yea, id rather not find out why hyundai carries a 10 year/100,000 mile powertrain warranty.

yea, id rather not find out why hyundai carries a 10 year/100,000 mile powertrain warranty.

And you'd rather find out why Honda increased their powertain warranty to 5yr/60k miles from 3yr/36k miles? I'm just saying, that's not a 'logical' answer, however it's your opinion.

I understand that, but still, there arn't many issues that owners are experienceing with these cars. That's a good thing. I haven't heard of any lawsuits yet, so that's also a good thing. I suppose it really is a flip of the coin on any car you buy. Just one little imperfection in the assembly process could ruin your ownership experience. :yes: I guess you'll never know how hot or cold the water is until you jump in.
I would consider my experience and these experiences some very compelling reasons to go back to Honda.

http://www.driveaccord.net/forums/showthread.php?t=10284
http://www.odyclub.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=30305

You seem to be a little bit skewed on your views towards Hyundai. Made a big deal about the Accord's "exploding transmission"? Of which there are only about 4 on this entire forum (for a whopping ~4/4000, or 0.1%), but go on to say in another thread

My aunts 2003 Sonata had zero issues, however the engine fans would squeal every now and then, but only on startup. It drove pretty well too. She had a transmission recall, but that's about it, and it required nothing more than oil changes for the near 40k miles she had it.

And my personal favorite

2nd owners only get 5yrs 60k miles.

Yes I see now, Hyundai DEFINITELY wants to stand behind their cars like Honda. You know, the same Honda who has been replacing transmissions even outside of warranty? IIRC Honda went from a 3/36 to a 5/60, even up to 7/100 and finally 93mts/109 on the tranny. Hyundai goes from 7/100 to 5/60 :lmao: Standing behind your product, fasho!

FYI - The Accord has had many more recalls, technical service bulletins, and known issues (like exploding automatic trannies :lmao: ) than the current, or previous Sonata.

I've seen more than enough people saatisfied with their Hyundais in the long run to feel fine buying one, Our family had 2 '03 Accords, and one '03 Sonata (All 4cyls) at the same time at one point, and the Sonata had one issue, the Accords both went back to the dealer more than once.

Satisfied with Hyndais in the long run? What year cars do these people drive? My other car was built in 1986 Volvo. How many 1986 Hyandai excels do you see on the road? They did sell 126,000 Excels in the U.S. that year -- so where are these cars now? I'm not saying their current cars are bad, but its to early to tell about long term durability. Lets see how many of their cars hold up here after 20+ years or 500,000+ miles before we jump to conclusions.

The reliability of my own Honda has convinced me that Honda is still far from unreliable, but is not what I as a customer expect them to be. Let alone, todays Hondas are a far cry from the relaibility and long term durability without repair that their ancestors had. With nothing quite amazing going on at Honda right now, I see little to nothing attracting me to their newest vehicles. Hyundai has a fresh line of exciting vehicles, and people are noticing.

Nothing quite amazing going on huh. How come they don't have the most fuel efficient fleet sold in the U.S like Honda does then? Where's Hyndai's hybrids and natural gas powered vehicles? Which company do you think will offer a clean diesel vehicle to us first?

I consider issues to be soemthing that adversely effects the way the car performs, the radiator fan on my aunts sonata squealed, I don't know why, but it did. It didn't do it while you were driving or anything though.

I never said there wern't any recalls on Sonatas, but my dad and my uncles 03' Accords had more than that Sonata did.

I think that the 5/60 for the second owner comes with good reason, usually second owners of cars don't take very good care of them from what I've seen. I'm not sure what to say about the warranty duration, it's Hyundais choice not mine, and I never stated that they stood behind their product better or worse than Honda does.

My point is, they're making cars that seem to be just as good mechanically as a Honda. That's it.

Nothing quite amazing going on huh. How come they don't have the most fuel efficient fleet sold in the U.S like Honda does then? Where's Hyndai's hybrids and natural gas powered vehicles? Which company do you think will offer a clean diesel vehicle to us first?

What you find amazing, and what I find amazing can be two different things. I think of amazing being something that nobody else has in their lineup, something fresh and new for the mainstream market.

Satisfied with Hyndais in the long run? What year cars do these people drive? My other car was built in 1986 Volvo. How many 1986 Hyandai excels do you see on the road? They did sell 126,000 Excels in the U.S. that year -- so where are these cars now? I'm not saying their current cars are bad, but its to early to tell about long term durability. Lets see how many of their cars hold up here after 20+ years or 500,000+ miles before we jump to conclusions.

And how many Civics did Honda sell in the US in their FIRST year? You have to comapre apples to apples here.

No the excel was not an amazing vehicle at all, my point, is that today, as in right now. Hyundai is a good car company.

I consider issues to be soemthing that adversely effects the way the car performs
Oh but you make it a point that the Accords have visited the dealer more than once, but you don't say for what? And again emphasizing that although both Hyundai and Honda have a tranny recall, Honda's issue is somehow much much greater, although we've only had way less than 10 on this board actually go south? :yes:

a 300hp RWD V8 luxury sedan for "well under $30k" sounds great. whether that translates to a great car is another story....

there a reason its well over $20k cheaper than compeitors (ie Infiniti M45, Lexus GS430). i mean the competitors arent artificially ballooning their MSRP's, so it makes you wonder what Hyundai did (or didnt do) in order to undercut the competition by so much.

Oh but you make it a point that the Accords have visited the dealer more than once, but you don't say for what? And again emphasizing that although both Hyundai and Honda have a tranny recall, Honda's issue is somehow much much greater, although we've only had way less than 10 on this board actually go south? :yes:

Well apparently the issue with the Hyundai Trannies are the computers that control them, not the actual units. whereas the accord, actually has a design defect in the transmission. There's a difference.

My dads Accord went in for a whirling noise while moving forward, heard more at low speed. It was a bad wheel bearing at 35k miles. He had the Radio repalced, and the A/T shifter was replaced due to excessive wear within 1 year of purchase.

My uncles Accord has an issue where the clutch doesn't always fully engage, resulting in a grinding every now and then. The dealer has yet to correct the issue, but it is present. His also had the radio replaced, and his check engine light came on at 35k miles for a sensor (not sure which one).

Here's what I'm trying to say, but I think some are taking it the wrong way.

I feel (my opinion), that Hyundai has really stepped their game up these past few years, and is now building cars that I think, will serve the owner just as well throughout it's life as a new Honda today could. That's my opinion, from my knowledge of others ups and downs with both Hondas and Hyundais, more specifically, Accords, and Sonatas. However, nobody will know exactly how well the Sonata is doing until we see the test of time. Until then, we will all have different feelings, opinions, and ofcourse, different assumptions/predictions on Hyundais Future.

What you find amazing, and what I find amazing can be two different things. I think of amazing being something that nobody else has in their lineup, something fresh and new for the mainstream market.

Yep personal tastes come into play for what we're each amazed by. When it comes to Hyundai though I'd say I'm impressed by their improved competitiveness, but it doesn't seem like they are really engineering anything fresh or new that we haven't seen in other cars. To me it seems they're just putting together cars that have a nice collection of features already developed by other automakers, and offering them at a very competitive up front price. If thats the main factor in buying your car I think they are tough to beat.


And how many Civics did Honda sell in the US in this FIRST year? You have to comapre apples to apples here.

No the excel was not an amazing vehicle at all, my point, is that today, as in right now. Hyundai is a good car company.

Like I said before I'm not saying their current cars are bad. You're the one who brought up "long run" not me. My point is the jury is still out in this respect for Hyundai. I don't see many on the road older than about 6 or 7 years.

You're the one who brought up "long run" not me. My point is the jury is still out in this respect for Hyundai. I don't see many on the road older than about 6 or 7 years.

Is 2002-2007 Models Long run? I'm talking about the last and current gen Sonatas.

You probably don't see many becuase they didn't sell many cars back then. It's a factor to consider. :yes:

Back to the subject, and sorry to derail your thread Steven.

Is 2002-2007 Models Long run? I'm talking about the last and current gen Sonatas.

You probably don't see many becuase they didn't sell many cars back then. It's a factor to consider. :yes:

Back to the subject, and sorry to derail your thread Steven.

Again you're the one who brought how you see so many people satisfied with their Hyundai's in the long run. No I don't consider 2002-2007 the long run. Yes I realize how many cars Hyundai sold in the U.S. on average through the late 80's and 90's and it averaged around 100,000 a year. Considering how many they sold, there aren't all that many still on the road.

Again you're the one who brought how you see so many people satisfied with their Hyundai's in the long run. No I don't consider 2002-2007 the long run. Yes I realize how many cars Hyundai sold in the U.S. on average through the late 80's and 90's and it averaged around 100,000 a year. Considering how many they sold, there aren't all that many still on the road.

100k divided across 50 states? Do you expect to see one every block or something? Minus the ones that were involved in motor vehicle accidents, minus the ones with improper maitenance, miuns the ones that poeple just plain abandon becuase they got new cars and left it in their abck yard to rot. There are several reasons why you don't see many of them.

I said I've seen enough people satisfied in the long run. I never said 'so many people'. Long run since the 2002 Sonata debuted I'm saying.

100k divided across 50 states? Do you expect to see one every block or something? Minus the ones that were involved in motor vehicle accidents, minus the ones with improper maitenance, miuns the ones that poeple just plain abandon becuase they got new cars and left it in their abck yard to rot. There are several reasons why you don't see many of them.


I'd expect to see a heck of a lot more than I do if they were a brand that held up well over time. Many years they surpassed Volvo in sales volume, but I see way more 10-20 year old Volvo's than I do Hyundai. No I don't expect to see as many 10+ year old Hyundai's as Hondas or Toyotas, but I'd at least expect to see some here and there considering how many they sold.


I said I've seen enough people satisfied in the long run. I never said 'so many people'. Long run since the 2002 Sonata debuted I'm saying.

LOL I guess we have a different definition of long run if 2002 is what you mean by that.

Oh and by the way the cars like Honda's on that win awards from Edmunds and KBB for high resale or residual values don't tend to get abandoned and left in a back yard to rot when their owners get new cars.

First off, steven you stole my thread, I posted this a week ago :rant: :biggrin: kidding.... :p

Anyway, I actually can attest for the crooked H. I inhereted a 1991 Hyaundai Excel from my Dad as my first car. It was a 1.5L manual, no frills whatsoever, so not much really to go wrong other than the major things (engine/tanny and related) and none of those went wrong. It lasted us 11 years +110K miles (ALL CITY) and was still running with regular maintenance, the paint looked great, no rust, minimal rattles, and saved my life when a moron taking an illeagal left turn in a a monster of an Opel (actually sold here as a Caddy) hit me head on with his right front corner stopped me dead in my tracks and pushed me back and to my right, no airbags just seatbelts. It wasn't totalled, fixed and served us two more years before we sold it off in 2002 (yes the new buyer was aware of the accident). We were never stranded by it, it never overheated or leaked, and we didn't change any major components, just the regular once belt service, oil and filter changes, and sparks. It did start using a bit of oil towards the end but it still lasted the entire 3000K oil change interval.

That said, we take exceptional care of our cars and a lot of my friends just couldn't believe it was a 10 year old car, most would put maybe 5. With the newer cars there's more to go wrong so who knows :dunno:

The resale value is abysmal though.

First off, steven you stole my thread, I posted this a week ago :rant: :biggrin: kidding.... :p

The resale value is abysmal though.


I thought you posted something like this, but the new pictures set me off! Oh, and that resale has improved alot. You will see it increase as owner loyalty increases and reliability becomes written in stone. (the main reason why the warranty reduces to 5yr/60k is to retain the 1st owner)


Reliabiliy isn't the only reason why resale is high otherwise MB would be in the gutter as they haven't made a quality product in a decade.

I thought you posted something like this, but the new pictures set me off! Oh, and that resale has improved alot. You will see it increase as owner loyalty increases and reliability becomes written in stone. (the main reason why the warranty reduces to 5yr/60k is to retain the 1st owner)


Reliabiliy isn't the only reason why resale is high otherwise MB would be in the gutter as they haven't made a quality product in a decade.

I know! They've certainly come a long way, we originally got into Honda for a better built car, more reliability, and better resale value. Hyundai are certainly catching up and with better initial value.

I still don't understand why MB have such good resale value with their horrible reliability record. Ever since one of their managers in 1993 decided their cars are "overengineered" (moron that's why people were so loyal to the brand :rant: , my granddads 1976 280S still runs) it's been downhill reliability, although now they claim they're going back to their old ways with the new CLS (that is one HOT car).

i still think hyundai could do better than by producing something original that has some unique styling cue to it.

i swore i was looking a lexus when i saw this concept for the first time, then i saw that crooked letter H.

honda has some kick a** engines out now, and god knows what they can do once they introduce a v8 or v10 in a new production vehicle.

the genesis looks like something slapped together from a camry, but will probably be plenty powerful, but i have faith that honda will have a vehicle by the time this one comes that will be a proper performance car to kill this wannabe lexus.

Heh funny people keep saying that Honda is going to have an awesome car to compete...my gut tells me it's not happening. For a decade we've had that pathetic excuse of a 5 series fighter called the RL...even with the new generation promising awesome performance, then getting whooped in acceleration by none other than an Accord Hybrid. Not to mention, Toyota has had an Avalon for over a decade now as well, and Honda's answer? Look the other way :dunno:

It might not be better than a Honda, but in some ways it might be. Like low end torque. Have any of your driven the Lambda V6? Will kill the J series as it has tons of torque down low. Now, I don't really want an engine like that, but it sure makes that AT nice. Low end + AT=somewhat desirable.

Competition is good. I'm glad to see someone is aiming at the top vs. Ford who aims at the middle and keeps landing short.

You all laugh, but the new Santa Fe, Veracruz, and now this car are going to steal some sales from the big companies fast.

Competition is good. I'm glad to see someone is aiming at the top vs. Ford who aims at the middle and keeps landing short.

You all laugh, but the new Santa Fe, Veracruz, and now this car are going to steal some sales from the big companies fast.
Like we say on OdyClub

I love the Sienna, without them, I'd be paying much more for the Ody :lmao:

It might not be better than a Honda, but in some ways it might be. Like low end torque. Have any of your driven the Lambda V6? Will kill the J series as it has tons of torque down low. Now, I don't really want an engine like that, but it sure makes that AT nice. Low end + AT=somewhat desirable.


yea, but its missing high end torque, or that pathetic excuse for torque above 50 mph. i test drove a sonata once and got that thing up to 75 mph. believe me, its lost all of its torque by 4000 rpm as with my accord, im actually close to my full torque potential and still going after 4k.

that what makes honda vehicles unique, torque and hp across the power band whenever you want it. thank god for VTEC! :notworthy

Actually, the Lambda V6 has a more advanced timing system than the J30. The 3.3L is a lot more fun to drive around w/ the AT than the Honda is.

Either way, both are good cars.

i disagree on the sonata being fun to drive. it feels too heavy, for me at least, at higher speeds than my accord.

when i sped up in the sonata, it had torque down low, but none up high, but in my accord when i speed up, i have good torque down low, and the rest keeps on going until i reach redline.

i dont consider any AT fun to drive, prefer to drive stick. i got an accord instead of the sonata because it is more practical, better feature offerings (hyundai does not offer a navigation system or an ipod link), and a reputation for reliability. cant say the same for hyundai. advanced timing is one thing, but longevity of the vehicle as a whole is another.

my parents owned a 90 accord for 13 years before selling it, an 03 acura mdx for 4 years and going strong, and now i have my own 07 accord which will probably last me for at least 10 years provided i take care of her.

when i sped up in the sonata, it had torque down low, but none up high, but in my accord when i speed up, i have good torque down low, and the rest keeps on going until i reach redline.



The J series does not have near the torque down low of the lambda and I drive the J32 6MT daily.

The new Sedan and the new Veracruz (very appealing SUV) both have 6 speed autos in them. I have to say, more power, more gears, Honda is now playing catch up. If that new Accord doesn't have the 6 speed auto, than they can kiss first place goodbye in a few years.

I have a lot of miles behind Honda, Toyota, Hyundai, and Cummins/Cat diesels. Honda is not known for their low end torque.

Really though, the low end torque is much more important as that is where you spend most of your time. You don't spend much time at 6k. Yes it might be slightly more fun, but for practice day-to-day driving, low end torque is much more important.

Steve - you really thinking the next car you'll buy will be an auto?

To be honest, I doubt I will have a choice in 5 years. Seems like these things are getting harder and harder to find.

To be honest, I doubt I will have a choice in 5 years. Seems like these things are getting harder and harder to find.

Yeah they are getting more and more scarce. It's one thing when your ES350 only has a choice of an auto that makes sense for our market, but when sports sedans like this concept car, or the IS350 for that matter only offer an auto it is discouraging.

Then again, in 5 years I doubt I'll be looking for a gas V8 or high output 6. I'll be driving either a diesel or a hybrid and if its the hybrid I'm probably stuck with a cvt.