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stiller fan
05-19-2007, 10:40 AM
Road-trippers face added risk of ticket
Published May 7, 2007


Drivers traveling out of state might want to pay extra-close attention to their speed to avoid getting a ticket in towns where voters recently rejected proposals to increase property taxes.

And if drivers have an 18-year-old daughter, they should stick her behind the steering wheel during a road trip this summer. Police issue far fewer citations to young women.

Those are among the findings of a new study by economists at George Mason University in Fairfax, Va.

It has long been suspected that race and ethnic background often influence the likelihood of a driver being pulled over for a traffic stop in many localities. But the George Mason researchers documented additional factors showing that all motorists are not treated the same under the law.

Drivers whose vehicles have out-of-state license plates have about a 50 percent chance of receiving a ticket when pulled over, compared with 30 percent for local drivers, according to the study.

The farther a driver lives from the courthouse where the ticket could be challenged, the more likely it is that a ticket will be issued, the study found. Also, the fines will probably be higher.

And drivers have a 28 percent higher chance of being fined when stopped in municipalities where voters rejected property tax increases, the study found. The amount of the fine is also likely to be higher when voters defeated a tax referendum.

"The police are almost exclusively writing higher numbers of tickets to out-of-town drivers in the year a referendum proposal fails. It's an interesting way to export the tax to non-voters," said Michael Makowsky, a PhD candidate in economics at George Mason University who conducted the study with economics professor Thomas Stratmann.

"It's hardly likely that drivers are becoming more reckless when they go through towns that are running out of money," he said.

The study, "Political Economy at Any Speed: What Determines Traffic Citations?" is based on traffic-stop data from about 350 municipalities in Massachusetts. But the researchers say the findings are universal and prove what many people already believe.

"The data showed us that while it is the job of police officers to issue tickets to violators, police also respond to incentives that are put out there by their supervisors as well as by the elected officials responding to economic issues in their communities," Makowsky said.

Stratmann said that when he began looking at the data he hoped to find, despite anecdotal information to the contrary, that justice was blind. But "what we found is that, in fact, people are not treated remotely equally under the law," he said.

Makowsky got the idea for the research after his Virginia-registered car was stopped for speeding in Massachusetts.

"A state trooper stopped me for going 75 m.p.h. in a 65 zone. I was in the right lane because everybody was passing me on the left," said Makowsky, 29.

Police are less likely to write tickets in cities that depend on tourism revenue, the study found. "In towns that want people to eat in their restaurants and stay in their hotels, the police departments issue fewer tickets," Makowsky said.

The study results suggest that people going on a driving vacation this summer should go easy on the gas pedal the farther they are away from home. But there are broader policy implications involving the motives of policymakers and the police forces that work for them, Makowsky said. "You certainly want to provide incentives for people to drive slower and more safely. But government officials should be careful about trying to generate money to support schools and the local economy outside of the standard tax system," Makowsky said.

"After all, you don't tell your police officers to catch more burglars as a way to increase a town's revenue."

Spektyr
05-19-2007, 09:40 PM
While I don't doubt that this happens, (in fact I'm quite sure that it does) your title is a bit off.

"Some" police officers are indeed fair. Your title suggests that none are fair. How many or in what ratio is the key question.

stiller fan
05-19-2007, 09:43 PM
i would have to disagree with you, spektyr....

some does not include all officers.... i have met other officers that were decent individuals, and were fair with me....

i have met complete @$$es too tho thru my travels on the road as well....

namegoeshere
05-19-2007, 11:35 PM
^ I have to disagree with you Stiller and agree with Spektyr.

When your title reads "think some police officers are fair??? think again...," you're basically saying that those few officers (as ascribed by "some") we thought were fair are not (as ascribed by "think again"). Therefore, if those few police officers are not fair, then that means none of them are fair.

Look at it this way.... We already know that not all officers are fair and that only "some police officers are fair." But when you say "think again," you're telling us that those few officers we originally thought to be fair are not. Therefore, none of them are fair.

On the other hand, if your title read "Think all police officers are fair??? Think again...," that would mean that not all of them are fair and that only a few of them are. And that's what I believe you wanted to say.

Yes, "some" does not include all, but the way you're using "some" in that sentence implies that none of them are fair.

Hope I'm making sense.

stiller fan
05-20-2007, 12:46 AM
i do understand.....

from first thoughts on my title, i pondered the words "all" vs "some"....

if i had put all, i know that i would have angered someone on here.... :rolleyes:

i'll be glad to change it.... :)

stiller fan
05-20-2007, 12:52 AM
i hope that is better... :yes:

Foreign_Wide
05-20-2007, 04:01 AM
You may find this web site interesting

http://www.radardetector.net/viewtopic.php?p=263639&sid=9c07c8674e8748dd9e7d8abfd8bad576

Essentially, they are discussing "POI" or "points of interest" on GPS and other devices.

What they are doing is developing a database of known speed traps for download. You then feed it into your GPS which will then "advise" you when you are approaching that "point of interest."

There are other web sites for this.

stiller fan
05-20-2007, 08:29 PM
definitely going ot check out that link.... thanks! :)

Spektyr
05-21-2007, 09:08 AM
I just want to be clear that I wasn't offended or anything - I'm just a bit OCD about that kind of thing.

Police officers drive me nuts when I'm watching them in my rearview (thanks to a youth spent driving certifiably retarded I still get nervous), but intellectually I appreciate what they do. All the same, you can't help but notice that the rate at which a particular law is enforced varies wildly dependent on various factors. For example, a particular highway in my city is being targeted for "aggressive driving" offenses right now, so if you tailgate or cut people off, you're likely to get a ticket.

Speeding, however... not so much.

James.uk
05-21-2007, 10:38 AM
In the UK Sat Nav usually includes the location of all known fixed speeding camera sites.. Illegaly of course.. :naughty: and there are lots of websites where you can upload more camera locations if you know of any not already mapped. :naughty: "Sneaky is best" :D :biggrin: :thmsup:
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EXLNavi
05-22-2007, 07:17 AM
Road-trippers face added risk of ticket
Published May 7, 2007


Drivers traveling out of state might want to pay extra-close attention to their speed to avoid getting a ticket in towns where voters recently rejected proposals to increase property taxes.

And if drivers have an 18-year-old daughter, they should stick her behind the steering wheel during a road trip this summer. Police issue far fewer citations to young women.

Those are among the findings of a new study by economists at George Mason University in Fairfax, Va.

It has long been suspected that race and ethnic background often influence the likelihood of a driver being pulled over for a traffic stop in many localities. But the George Mason researchers documented additional factors showing that all motorists are not treated the same under the law.

Drivers whose vehicles have out-of-state license plates have about a 50 percent chance of receiving a ticket when pulled over, compared with 30 percent for local drivers, according to the study.

The farther a driver lives from the courthouse where the ticket could be challenged, the more likely it is that a ticket will be issued, the study found. Also, the fines will probably be higher.

And drivers have a 28 percent higher chance of being fined when stopped in municipalities where voters rejected property tax increases, the study found. The amount of the fine is also likely to be higher when voters defeated a tax referendum.

"The police are almost exclusively writing higher numbers of tickets to out-of-town drivers in the year a referendum proposal fails. It's an interesting way to export the tax to non-voters," said Michael Makowsky, a PhD candidate in economics at George Mason University who conducted the study with economics professor Thomas Stratmann.

"It's hardly likely that drivers are becoming more reckless when they go through towns that are running out of money," he said.

The study, "Political Economy at Any Speed: What Determines Traffic Citations?" is based on traffic-stop data from about 350 municipalities in Massachusetts. But the researchers say the findings are universal and prove what many people already believe.

"The data showed us that while it is the job of police officers to issue tickets to violators, police also respond to incentives that are put out there by their supervisors as well as by the elected officials responding to economic issues in their communities," Makowsky said.

Stratmann said that when he began looking at the data he hoped to find, despite anecdotal information to the contrary, that justice was blind. But "what we found is that, in fact, people are not treated remotely equally under the law," he said.

Makowsky got the idea for the research after his Virginia-registered car was stopped for speeding in Massachusetts.

"A state trooper stopped me for going 75 m.p.h. in a 65 zone. I was in the right lane because everybody was passing me on the left," said Makowsky, 29.

Police are less likely to write tickets in cities that depend on tourism revenue, the study found. "In towns that want people to eat in their restaurants and stay in their hotels, the police departments issue fewer tickets," Makowsky said.

The study results suggest that people going on a driving vacation this summer should go easy on the gas pedal the farther they are away from home. But there are broader policy implications involving the motives of policymakers and the police forces that work for them, Makowsky said. "You certainly want to provide incentives for people to drive slower and more safely. But government officials should be careful about trying to generate money to support schools and the local economy outside of the standard tax system," Makowsky said.

"After all, you don't tell your police officers to catch more burglars as a way to increase a town's revenue."

I would like to add - the police are 100% less likely to issue a ticket for people who don't break the speed limit.

stiller fan
05-22-2007, 11:25 AM
I would like to add - the police are 100% less likely to issue a ticket for people who don't break the speed limit.

didn't you get pulled over just recently??? :naughty: