what is it with honda paint??? third honda and third honda with water spots that won't leave! :mad:

on the first civic, i chalked it up to bad paint. the second one iinitially supprted that. for almost a year, there were no spots, them BAM! there they were!

now onto the accord. when i was washing it over the weekend, i noticed them starting to appear! :mad: :mad: so i went thru washing it with dawn, claying it, then klasse aio and sg. still there!!!! ARGH!!!

and every theory as to why keeps being disproved. first it was acid rain. well, actually that hasn;t been entirely disproved except for the fact that i can never find any other car with the darn spots...

then it was possibly the car wash i was using. switched brands with each car.....

then it was possibly the meguiers wax combined with excessive moisture from humidity and stuff. so i canned the meguiers.

now what?? any takers?!?! :headbash:

think i'm going to ask the guy who works for ppg.... (plus i can check on his car and see if he has the problem. he has a 6th gen nighthawk black accord coupe.) the only thing that has been *somewhat* consistent between the 3 cars is the place i work. and i have parked in the same general area during the day at some point with all 3. (i have even lived in different places with each car!) but if it has anything to do with where i park, then this guy's car should have spots as well... i can't sneak a good peak though because his car is usually dirty. i should offer to wash and detail it! ;)

Water spots:puke:

You can try a solution of 50/50 ..white vinegar/water. If that doesn't remove the spots then you need to look really close w/a strong magnifying glass to see if it is etched into the clearcoat..
You would then need to polish/compound to remove then reapply protective layers..:)

Hope this helps!

I1:)

P.S.
Thanks for the B day wishes:)

Can you post a picture of what you're talking about? It could be chemical fallout. Our black 02 has a few of these fallout spots. I used Meguiar's Gold Class the 1st 6 months when these appeared. I haven't had any new spots since I started using Meguiar's professional line of waxes.

time to invest in a digital camera?! :blush: for all the pics i promise people but never get!

for me, being so obsessed with keeping my car sparkling it's just so frustrating! maybe i'm just looking at it too closely in my quest for perfection! :D

I1 -thanks! i'll have to try the white vinegar/water thing tomorrow and see what happens. i'll have to also try using the mr clean car wash thing or something else with a filter in case i happen to have hard water or something (which i've heard is another culprit!)

benjamming-i'm wondering if it has anything at all to do with the railroad tracks that run near the parking lot i park in for work... aka-why i really want to get an upclose look at the one guy's 6th gen accord.... he's usually parked right next to me, now if only he'd get to the lot or leave the lot around the same time as me one of these days! he's really nice, so i doubt he'd mind if i asked. in fact, he's been asking me about my car since his lease is up soon, so it's my turn to ask him something right? he owes me! ;)

plus my husband's sentra doesn't have the spots at all (even when examined up close). but it's silver, so not as prone to them, but he has also never parked in town like i always do. he uses public transportation instead.... :rolleyes:

rain rain go away so i can go try the vinegar/water combo on my car! :bawling:

anywho, any suggestions on a new car wash to try out? i'm putting together an order for more klasse aio and a clay kit (erazer) from concourse direct.... or is there somewhere else i should get the stuff from online? (no stores around here carry it. :mad: )

does anyone have any recs for a new car wash though?! :) thanks!!

GM released a TSB on railroad related paint problems. It was #43-17-01B issued 7/31/1998.

SUBJECT: BUMPS OR RUST COLORED SPOTS IN THE PAINT DUE TO RAIL OR IRON DUST (REMOVE RAIL DUST)

CONDITION:

VISIBLE RUST COLORED SPOTS OR BUMPS ON A VEHICLE'S PAINT SURFACE FROM RAIL OR IRON DUST.

CAUSE:

RAIL DUST COMES FROM TINY IRON PARTICLES PRODUCED FROM THE FRICTION BETWEEN TRAIN WHEELS AND THE TRACKS AND GETS DEPOSITED ON VEHICLE SURFACES. IRON DUST CAN GET DEPOSITED ON THE SURFACE IF THE VEHICLE IS STORED NEAR ANY OPERATION PRODUCING IRON DUST SUCH AS A STEEL ORE YARD. EITHER MATERIAL CAN LAY ON TOP OF, OR BECOME EMBEDDED IN, THE PAINT SURFACE.

CORRECTION:

SINCE THE SEVERITY OF THE CONDITION VARIES, PROPER DIAGNOSIS OF THE DAMAGE IS CRITICAL TO THE SUCCESS OF REPAIRS. DIAGNOSIS SHOULD BE PERFORMED ON HORIZONTAL SURFACES (HOOD, ROOF, DECK LID, PICK UP BOX, ETC.) AFTER THE VEHICLE HAS BEEN PROPERLY CLEANED. THERE ARE TWO TYPES OF REPAIR MATERIALS RECOMMENDED TO REPAIR RAIL OR IRON DUST:

A. GEL TYPE OXALIC ACID:

- HAS THE CHARACTERISTICS OF THE LIQUID TYPE OXALIC ACID, BUT STAYS WHERE YOU PUT IT BECAUSE OF ITS GEL CONSISTENCY

B. CLAY TYPE NON-ACID BASED:

- REQUIRES SURFACE LUBRICANT DURING USE - HAS DIFFERENT GRADES AVAILABLE

CAUTION:

RAIL DUST REMOVER (OXALIC ACID) IS AN ACIDIC SUBSTANCE CONTAINING CHEMICALS THAT WILL BREAK DOWN THE IRON PARTICLES EMBEDDED IN THE FINISH. WHEN WORKING WITH RAIL DUST REMOVER, USE THE NECESSARY SAFETY EQUIPMENT, INCLUDING GLOVES AND GOGGLES. FOLLOW THE MANUFACTURER'S DIRECTIONS CLOSELY BECAUSE IT MAY REQUIRE SPECIAL HANDLING AND DISPOSAL.

IF, UPON INSPECTION, SOME PARTICLES ARE STILL PRESENT, THE VARIOUS MANUFACTURER'S PROCESSES CAN BE REPEATED.

AFTER THE REMOVAL PROCESS, SMALL PITS MAY REMAIN IN THE CLEARCOAT, AND CAN BE CORRECTED IN MOST CASES WITH A FINESSE/POLISH OPERATION. REFER TO CORPORATE BULLETIN 111702R (DIVISIONAL BULLETIN NUMBERS LISTED BELOW) FOR FINESSE/POLISHING TECHNIQUES.

PROCEDURE:

1. MOVE THE VEHICLE TO A COOL SHADED AREA AND MAKE SURE THE VEHICLE SURFACES ARE COOL DURING THE REMOVAL PROCESS. DO NOT PERFORM THE REMOVAL PROCESS IN DIRECT SUNLIGHT OR ON A VEHICLE WITH HOT OR WARM BODY PANELS.

2. WASH THE VEHICLE WITH SOAP AND WATER, DRY IT IMMEDIATELY AND CLEAN THE AFFECTED AREAS WITH A WAX AND GREASE REMOVER.

3. PERFORM THE REMOVAL PROCESS ACCORDING TO THE MANUFACTURER'S DIRECTIONS.

ONCE THE DAMAGE HAS BEEN REPAIRED, THE FINAL STEP INVOLVES A POLISHING PROCESS.

RAIL DUST REMOVER MANUFACTURERS USE BELOW OR EQUIVALENT *:

AUTO-MAGIC "R" CLAY MAGIC "TM" FALLOUT GEL AUTO WAX COMPANY INC. CAR BRITE "R" CORPORATION 1275 ROUND TABLE DRIVE 1910 SOUTH STATE STREET DALLAS, TX 75247 INDIANAPOLIS, IN 46203 PHONE (800) 826-0828 PHONE (800) 347-2439

*WE BELIEVE THESE SOURCES AND THEIR PRODUCTS TO BE RELIABLE. THERE MAY BE ADDITIONAL MANUFACTURERS OF SUCH PRODUCTS. GENERAL MOTORS DOES NOT ENDORSE, INDICATE ANY PREFERENCE FOR OR ASSUME ANY RESPONSIBILITY FOR THE PRODUCTS FROM THESE FIRMS OR FOR ANY SUCH ITEM WHICH MAY BE AVAILABLE FROM OTHER SOURCES.

IF THE RAIL DUST REMOVER IS NOT AVAILABLE IN YOUR AREA, CALL ONE OF THE NUMBERS LISTED ABOVE FOR A DISTRIBUTOR NEAR YOUR LOCATION.

I forgot to answer your other question about which car wash. I would recommend P21S Bodywork Conditioning Shampoo found here: http://www.carcareonline.com/detail.asp?product_id=10420
or Sonax Gloss Shampoo found here: http://www.carcareonline.com/detail.asp?product_id=10911 that is currently out of stock.

Sources for supplies....
http://autogeek.net/klasseallinone.html

http://properautocare.com/kla-16.html

http://autopia-carcare.com/kus-kla-10.html

http://www.premiumautocare.com/klasse.html

Just to compare...

P21s are excellent products.:thmsup:

I1:)

Carwash... I have been really happy w/ Eagle One Wet for basic washing every couple days... The P21s get used sparingly...

I1-with the polich/compounds i noticed they usually don't recommend doing ti by hand... any tips on circular polishers for someone who has never used one before? (and how to get some experience using it before going near my car?? maybe try it out on the hubby's car first? :D )

i'm going to spot test the vinegar bit before work tomorrow and see what happens and then go from there as to what to buy.

short of buying a full car cover and putting it on it every time it's not in my garage and i'm not driving, i have no idea how to prevent these things from happening!:bawling:

benjamming-thanks for the info on the rail dust! that would mean i should definitely be able to see it in other cars, especially other honda that have the same paint! i HAVE to meet up with that guy and see if he has that problem! that would help solve a long lasting mystery!

with my first civic i was told by a couple of different places that this type of damage is actually more likely to occur on cars when people actually detail them and wax them because the beading of the water makes it more prone to the etching! :rolleyes: not sure if it was true or not! so with the 2nd civic i used rain x wax for a bit that was supposed to cause the water to sheet off instead of beading up. still ended up with the spots! :rolleyes:

i'm probably going to try out the p21s car wash! thanks for the rec! :)

Here's a thread on polishers/buffers.

http://www.driveaccord.net/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=787

This is the one I have..
http://www.coastaltool.com/cgi-bin/SoftCart.exe/a/port/7424_car_buffer.htm?L+coastest+tglv2747ff0db60d+10 92256118

With a PC(Porter Cable) it's almost impossible to damage finish!!

If you have any ?'s just ask...

I1:)

I1-finally did the vinegar thing. it *might* have lessened the spots slightly, but it was really hard to tell. would it be safe to wet a rag in the solution and let it sit on the car for a couple of minutes to see if it has any more of an effect??:confused:

hopefully i can get some more aio and some other stuff to work on it all next week while i'm off of work! doubt we'll be putting the deck on the house or remodeling the bathroom or re-wiring it since my dad is busy, so i currently don't have any biog plans for my week off..... :bawling:

talked to the guy in the parking lot with the black 6th gen coupe. he has the same exact thing and has never been able to get rid of them either. his planned method of getting rid of them is getting another car when his lease is up. :lmao: (I should mention he's aiming for another honda... my smiley might have looked a bit bad if i didn't!)

anyway, that reinforces the rail dust theory.... :(

anysia,
Yes you can apply to a towel and let sit on area for a couple minutes to see if it softens the mineral deposits... you can also go a little stronger on solution + more vinegar.
On the rail dust issue your car was more than likely moved by truck, due to the fact that you are close to Manufacturing in central Ohio.. Plus they have plastic over panels during transport..
If I recall you have already clayed car so you should be fine..

Quote,

"AFTER THE REMOVAL PROCESS, SMALL PITS MAY REMAIN IN THE CLEARCOAT, AND CAN BE CORRECTED IN MOST CASES WITH A FINESSE/POLISH OPERATION. REFER TO CORPORATE BULLETIN 111702R (DIVISIONAL BULLETIN NUMBERS LISTED BELOW) FOR FINESSE/POLISHING TECHNIQUES."

I would like to see what techniques they use for this(more than likely a rotary in unexperienced hands = more damage than rail dust....:eek:

Also I noticed you said something about Mr. Clean system, from everything I have read about this don't waste your money!!!

I1 :)

P.S. Pick up a bottle of this to help prevent spots from occuring after rain showers on your car when clean...
http://www.carcareonline.com/detail.asp?product_id=10554

i was thinking more likely rail dust due to where i park while i'm at work monday thru friday.... it's in a shopping/tourist/night life area with a major railroad beside it. (not too many trains, but they are those extremely long ones. there is also another set of similar tracks right across the street.) so it may not be from during shipping.... question is, how far does rail dust typically travel?? i'm a few rows in from the edge of the lot. the edge of the lot is right next to the tracks, only seperated by a chain link fence...

i'm hesitant to let anyone get near my car with a rotary. :eek: even the body shop guy i talked to with my first civic and the spots said he wouldn't recommend doing anything other than continuing to wash and wax regularly... he actually refused to buff it at all because he in't want to strip any more clearcoat off. :bawling: a detailer i went to said the same and said that more than likely i'd still notice the spots once they were done with it and it would cost me about $150-$200 to have them detail it anyway. (which i could do myself for alot cheaper!;) )

oh well. maybe by the time i get my next car, i'll decide it's time for silver or some other "easy care" color! :rolleyes: (but i LOVE the look of the dark ones!)

Yes the wind can carry the dust when a train passes...

That is just a bad situation, unless you want to deal with covering(alot of work)..
I would think a good detailer could clean up minor water spots fairly easy, but finding that person is difficult. I have found that if a detailer is not on top of his game and realizes how particular you are they will shy away from doing the work, but someone who is real good and knows what their doing can repair paint damage and would accept the challenge...
To many of them prefer to work on cars of people that have no clue and can be BS'd into believing that swirls and cobwebbing are just a normal state of the paint:bawling:

If you can get the vinegar to work, then restep with AIO/SG.. then pick up some S100 or Meg's #16 professional wax and apply over top of AIO/SG for added protection... Then use a Quick detailer or Final Inspect to keep clean between washings...

Here is another product that I would recommend to use.. when weather starts cooling off.. You can wash in the garage....no hose needed.. http://www.protectall.com/qe.aspx... Good stuff!!

I1:)


S100 wax is the same as p21s wax just half the price.....
http://www.autogeek.net/s1capawax.html

hmm, my husband seems to love mr clean. then again his car gets washed MAYBE every other month. (we seem to be a bit backwards around here! :blah: )

back to the *important*stuff. i'm a bit of a procrastinator i guess, cause i'm just now finally pulling an order together....


back to net shopping while i wait for a response! thanks guys! ;)

I1, one other question, the protectall stuff, how well does it clean? Curious, cause since I'm lucky enough to have a garage with a drain in it, i always wash my car in there anyway, so using the hose in there isn't a big deal... but wondering if it might be worth it especially for later in the winter when sometimes my connection for the hose freezes........ :confused:

ANNNDDD one more and then i swear i'm done with questions! I have some mother's wax in the garage (the last thing i used before klasse) that should serve the purpose for a decent wax to top it all off with right?? (instead of buying one more product when i *think* i already have a pretty decent one just sitting there waiting for me to use it! ;) )

GADS!!! my garage reads like a who's who of car cleaners... see if you can tell what's mine and what's the husband's....

Mother's Carnuaba Cleaner wax (2 bottles)
Mother's showtime instant detailer
Mother's claybar
Mother's back to Black
klasse Sg
Klasse wheel cleaner
klasse VLR
Armor All tire foam
Rain X Ultra wax
RainX fast wax
Turtle Wax Natural interior protectant
Armol Interior (CRAP!)
Meguier's Gold class wax (almost gone)
and the grand Mr Clean wash kit.....

surprisingly 4 of these belong to the hubby. I have even more, but some is at my parents house because i decided they just weren't worth the space, and my dad loved the free car care products... i should also note i have 2 buckets, 2 wool wash mits, a hand buffer, about 15 or so microfiber cloths, my chamois-time to be replaced on that one as well.... he has a sponge, a bucket, and his mr clean stuff...

ok-here's what i ordered in the end (I1 found a post where you brought up using mezerna!)

Menzerna Get Acquainted Kit (Intensive Polish, Final Polish, 2 Microfiber Applicator Pads, 2 Microfiber Buffing Cloths, Instructions)

P21S Bodywork Conditioning Shampoo

Erazer Clay Bar kit

Klasse AIO

and a little extra treat, a new chamois, this time a microfiber one since i love all my other microfiber so much! :D

well, that's $90 my hubby isn't too happy about me spending! oh well! :D

Mothers cleaner wax will strip other layers(key word cleaner)
Mothers carnuba is ok, just not the cleaner carnuba... I have some also it gets used on door jambs, inside edges of hood and trunk, just did front door of house other evening.. also use on the mailbox, outside lights and so on.....
303 aerospace cleaner is great stuff.. The protectant is wonderful also.. I use it on all plastic and leather surfaces in car.. I also have the spot remover and fabric protector..
I used the 303 cleaner on refrigerator in house(10 years of build up in textured surface.. my wife thought I had bought a new fridge..ha)There I go again justifying my purchases!

It looks like you put together a good order(Did you buy the Big Blue waffle weave from CMA?)

I1:)

Sorry forgot about the QEW (quick easy wash)....
It works great for cleaning salt spray and dirt that is not in big chunks(what you can blast of at coin op wash just using high pressure rinse).
Sounds like you have the wash mitt's for it. Just use one bucket with QEW and one with clean water to rinse dirt out of mitt, do a panel at a time and then dry panel with microfiber..
There is a guy on the detailing forum that uses QEW to wash all vehicles(He works out of a Mazda 626)......even on Rolls Royce's!!
No swirls or scratching if used properly..
I even have a spray bottle of QEW that I use to clean the Bra on my car and pretreat bugs:up: ..

I1:)

i'll have to get some and try it out, but i'll wait another month to get it.... let the hubby cool off from the $90 spent yesterday! :blah:

ssshhhhh!!! don't tell him i have to get some decent carnuaba wax yet! i don't think i have enough meguiers gold class left... and since the mother's is out and i don't want to use the rainx-pretty sure it's not carnuaba anyway-i guess i have to get one more item! i think i'll stop at one of the local auto stores and see what they have because it will be easier to sneak past him! ;)

If your looking for something local go with the megs #16..
It may br tough to find at a-zone or advance....
Napa or Carquest may have it in store but may still have to order from one of their Dist. Centers..
If you have auto paint stores I would check them 1st..
Its in a blue can.. Paste only. I'll attach a pic for you soon.....
#16 retails for about $16
Or the s100 I mentioned earlier can be purchased at most Harley shops.. for less than 20 bucks.

I1:)

Meg's #16

i decided to not take my car out today once i got home since i vingered it the other night and didn't have any aio to put on. (should've thrown on a quick coat of rainx wax or something just for the temporary protection.....) it's been all misty today, so i figured it best to come on home, garage the car, and wash it again.

i decided to go ahead and order to meg #16 online, there goes another $19. pretty soon the hubby is going to demand i detail his car.... :rolleyes:

hey guys, any ideas on how to get a decent pic of the spots on the car??? just bought a digital camera today, but when i try to get pics fo the spots, there is too much reflection in my paint! LOL!!!!! i end up with a pic of myself holding the camera and the insulation and floor joists above my head!!! :blah:

Sunlight or a halogen light 500w or greater...

I know it's tough reproducing blemishes on paint with a digital camera.. Just experiment with different angles with the macro.
You may try a bright flashlight while its in the shade, and different pictures w/flash......heck if they don't turn out you can just delete!

I1:)

where did the sun go???? it was out earlier!

i've been deleting up a storm since we got home! we didn't bother buying a memory stick yet, so we can only store about 8 pics at a time before being forced to transfer to the pc. :rolleyes: maybe i'll pose with my car later! :lmao:

Just go out when it's sunny and take a picture. Macro does wonders, check out these pics, especially the large ones (linked at the bottom of the post).

http://www.driveaccord.net/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=1014

this is me trying to get the pic of the spots. not enough sun i guess!! and too much reflection! ;)

anysia,

Here's a link to water spot removal..
http://www.bettercarcare.com/articles.php?articleId=15

I1:)

i managed to squeeze a couple of pics out of my battery life this afternoon. (the sun was finally out full force!) ;)

and-

:boohoo: :boohoo: :boohoo:

the ups guy just drove down the street and delivered stuff to 3 different houses. none of them were my house!!! :bawling:

from what i can see, it kind of looks like the spots have etched themselves into your clearcoat. a really good polishing should get them out i would think. i would polish them out, wax the car real good and then get a good car cover asap no matter how much of a hassle it might be to use one.

ok, after soending the last 3 hours with my car in the garage, i'm not sure if i made "progress" or not. i put the mezerna final polish on all of the panels unaffected by the spots-that part was simple enough of course. i swept and detailed the interior.

however, when it came to the hood, roof, and trunk where the spots are, it's another story! :bawling: i chose the trunk to focus on. went over it 7 times with the mezerna intensive polish and i swear the spots are more noticeable now.... they went from looking like just water spots to showing the actually pitting now... :bawling: i also put 2 coats fo the final polish on it to see if they returned to a less noticeable state and that didn't work. :bawling:

so should i keep going with the intensive polish??? should i invest in an orbital buffer? (everything today was done by hand.) would a buffer help me get beyond the obvious pitting that i can see right now??? :headbash: :bawling:

oh well, it's saturday night, time to get ready to go out to end my vacation week!!! :drink:

04blkpearlcoupe-forgot to mention, i'd defnitely be investing in a car cover if i didn't have a garage at home. i can't see buying one and using it in public parking lots when i'm at work though... :(


this time around it won't have any sortage of protection though... :cool:
1. mezerna's intensive polish
2. mezerna's final polish-1 coat
3. klasse aio-2 coats
4. klasse sg-1 or 2 coats, depending on time
5. mequier's #16 pro wax-1 coat

(prior to this it was 2 coats klasse aio, 2 coats klasse sg)

pic of water spots after vinegar wash, claying, and mezerna... (topped with the meg's #16 wax. i'll have to start that portion of the process over once the klasse gets here.... :( in the meantime it needed some sort of protection, hence them megs.)

i would defintiely use a car cover at work if i had that problem with the rail dust, but thats just me. i was also thinking that maybe you should keep one of those car dusters in your trunk and dust your car off everyday after work. that might minimize the effects of the rail dust.

i'm looking into how much more it costs to park in the garage instead of the lot for work. atleast then when we get those quick summer rains and the sun comes back out, it won't be baking the dust in....:(

i need a new job for more than one reason!! :rolleyes: darn economy!

At this point I might try to take it back to the dealer and see what they say it is. Or perhaps a good body shop. Don't get any work done, just ask them what the heck this stuff is :)

i agree with what BenjiBoy said.

also, i didnt know that you had those short showers followed by sunshine. maybe its not raildust but the rain and sun thats damaging the paint...although i would think that if you used a good wax, it would protect the clearcoat. maybe it really is time to take it to the dealer for their opinion.

if only i had the guts to do it!! i tried it with my first car numerous times and never got anywhere (even called ahm). i think i used up all of my guts back then... :sorry: i think it was easier then because it was my first car, first experience with the spots. now i'm on the 3rd car, all of which have had them, so i have myself so convinced that somehow it's my fault. (despite changes in cleaning/waxing/protecting.)

i'm pretty sure it is more involved than just the rain... a few of my friends with assorted hondas (ranging from red to blue to black) don't have the spots. they're all within the same model years that i've had the problems with. the difference? they don't worj where i work and therefore aren;t parked anywhere near where i've parked. hence the hunchthat rail dust could be the ultimate culprit. and at that point is it my fault for parking there? or is it my fault for not cleaning/waxing properly? (highly doubting that given my obsessiveness there, but i know that's what a dealer would try to convince me of!) or is it honda's fault for the paint job? or is it the parking authority's fault for not providing adequate protection (although i have no idea what they could do!)

:bawling:

i think that something's definitely up with your place of work. all i can think of is to get a car cover.

question is, should this kind of thing happen so easily regardless?

since i work in a metro area, i can park some place else (more cash or bad neighborhood areas-or there's always public transportation *GULP*), but this location has great security (it's a shopping/eating/tourist attraction area) and it's easy to get into and out of while missing a portion of rush hour traffic. oh well, i feel like the damage is already done, so i might as well wait til the next car. (with my track record, probably within 2-3 years! another honda of course, despite the paint!;))

the one guy i found with the spots works for ppg. :lmao: you'd think he might have some idea on how to get rid of them considering the connection with paint. (heck he even gets discounts on honda's because of the paint connection!) :rolleyes:

anysia,
I think the water spot issue is more prevalent than you think, just not noticed by most, like swirls....
If you have someone compound it with a rotary or a cyclo to remove the sharp edges of the etching the spots will not be as noticeable.(see article on earlier post).. As long as the etching is in the clear it can be cleared up fairly easy...
The spots may have been there when you purchased and when the dealer did prep the could have waxed with a product that acts as a filler making it almost impossible to see, then you clayed and used products that contain no fillers.. Thats one thing about Klasse it will show all defects

I1:)

well, if nothing else, my car is very shiny right now and should get even shinier over next weekend when i get to apply a new coat of megs 16 to top it off... i finally got my shipment of klasse aio and my new clay bar, so i just spent the last 3 hours washing away my work from last week, claying, and washing again, then 2 oats of aio, and 1 of sg. :D i was a little busy body tonight after i got home from work! now i'm off to shower after that workout! ;)

on the plus side, the klasse actually seemed to help diminish the spots on the roof and hood (which i had only done one coat of mezerna on). didn't change the trunk much, but the pitting is now very glossy so when the shine blinds everyone, they won't see the spots anyway! :rolleyes:

anysia,

I read another tip from one of the detailers in Chicago..
He has been using CLR(Calcium,Lime,Rust remover in Gray bottle)
with no ill effects to the paint. Just apply to a towel and work in small area and wipe off. Hopefully this will help your waterspots..

I1:)

thanks! i'll have to try that later (if i can get rid of this stupid cold!!!!!). i think i have some clr in the house somewhere....

Yesterday I made a trip to UC Davis. I drove by a lot of railroad tracks, parked near them too. Today, I go to wash the car and I see these "water spots" after it's dried. :(

someone could be rich if they'd come up with an antidote to railroad dust crap.
:bawling: