M1 0w-20?

[Jake07V6]

Anyone use M1 0w-20?

[edwilson13185]

I used it with no problems until around 36,000 miles, at which point I switched to Mobil 5W-20 because they stopped making it. And now that they've started making it again, I can't seem to find it anywhere.

When I used it, my MPG averages were 1-2MPG higher.

Good luck!

[turBeau]

I saw it @ Wally World just the other day. I'm going to try it out the next oil change after reading the post EX L Kabong put out on another thread.

1-2 Mpg better, huh? I believe it and could use it right now.

[Jake07V6]

Went to Super walmart yesterday to buy diapers n I noticed its on sale for $5 a qt. So I decided to buy and give it a shot.

[turBeau]

Its actually cheaper if you can get it in the 5 qt jug. I saw it their for $23 and some change. Just a couple of bucks, but hey?

The diapers are more than our oil change, I know. :headbash:

[RTexasF]

I've been using it since the first oil change on my car in 2004.

[Foreign_Wide]

OK OK I've resisted enough. You guys got to me.:notworthy


Only 2,000 miles on my car but will strongly consider M1 when the time comes

[Jake07V6]

Just used my free oil change at the dealership and had them put it M1 0w-20 w/ advance auto oil filter which is the same as purolator for $2.88. I also got sample for my blackstone UOA. I will post the results when i get it.

[turBeau]

You need to change you sig now. Yeah, let us know when you find out.

[Jake07V6]

thanks, just did...hehe. I'll let you guys know what happens.

[Jake07V6]

Its actually cheaper if you can get it in the 5 qt jug. I saw it their for $23 and some change. Just a couple of bucks, but hey?

The diapers are more than our oil change, I know. :headbash:

TurBeau what weight class do you fight in? I always watch UFC.

[turBeau]

TurBeau what weight class do you fight in? I always watch UFC.

I'm not...yet. Waiting for the UFC to have a casting call for middleweights. That is my dream and passion (besides cars) to fight there one day. I do lots of local and out of state MMA. Its a hard business to get into. I'm considering a job transfer to Omaha, Nebraska so I can go to Iowa and train with Pat Miletich.

Kinda hard to do though with a wife and a 4 week old son. I'll let you know if I ever get in. :thmsup:

[Jake07V6]

Just work at it. I'll see you on the show someday.

I use to work out at a gym but I would love to do the training those guys go through. I did this http://www.teenbodybuilding.com/steh7.htm a while back but I only last 2 months. I bulked up to 195 then I started that workout...I shreded weight quickly. It was the best shape I was in. Just had a baby boy so it's tough going back and working at same time.

[stevencrosbie]

So they started making 0-20 again......

I saw the 0-20 at Walmart yesterday for 5 bucks and got 12 quarts. My dad hasn't been able to find it for the hybrid and it's close to due for its first oil change.

[Jake07V6]

AA had a lot in stock. $5.98 a qt

[slab42]

I used it with no problems until around 36,000 miles, at which point I switched to Mobil 5W-20 because they stopped making it. And now that they've started making it again, I can't seem to find it anywhere.

When I used it, my MPG averages were 1-2MPG higher.

Good luck!

Your gas mileage increase was more likely to have been due to tire pressure or driving habits. A 5-20 oil is exactly the same as a 0-20 oil when it is at operating temps... The 5 and the 0 are the thickness of the oil when cold. So once your car is up to temp, the two oils affect the motor equally.

[Edaccord08]

Your gas mileage increase was more likely to have been due to tire pressure or driving habits. A 5-20 oil is exactly the same as a 0-20 oil when it is at operating temps... The 5 and the 0 are the thickness of the oil when cold. So once your car is up to temp, the two oils affect the motor equally.

That is true for long drives once oil is up to temp, but what about if your driving short hops mostly in cold weather, then avg oil temp might be not warmed up for the most part of the drive.
Remember oil temps takes longer to warm up than water temps which happens relatively fast.

[hermann]

That is true for long drives once oil is up to temp, but what about if your driving short hops mostly in cold weather, then avg oil temp might be not warmed up for the most part of the drive.
Remember oil temps takes longer to warm up than water temps which happens relatively fast.

I have noticed on several occasions when changing oil. That even after driving 30 miles, and draining the oil within 5 minutes, that the oil was not even hot enough to cause discomfort, when some got on my hand during plug removal. The first time I observed this I did not think much of it. But have noticed it several more times since.

Over on BITOG there is a member who has measured oil pan temps, right after driving his 40 mile commute. His temps are only in the mid 170's. I would be real curious to see what the temps are after a 10 mile drive.(A average trip for a lot of folks) If the oil temp is only in the 130's or 140's then a lot of water and fuel residue are not being boiled off so to speak. If the temps are still in lower range then the 5w-20 could be appreciably thicker for quite a period of time resulting in some fuel savings but I doubt
if it would amout to 1-2 MPG.

[Edaccord08]

I have noticed on several occasions when changing oil. That even after driving 30 miles, and draining the oil within 5 minutes, that the oil was not even hot enough to cause discomfort, when some got on my hand during plug removal. The first time I observed this I did not think much of it. But have noticed it several more times since.

Over on BITOG there is a member who has measured oil pan temps, right after driving his 40 mile commute. His temps are only in the mid 170's. I would be real curious to see what the temps are after a 10 mile drive.(A average trip for a lot of folks) If the oil temp is only in the 130's or 140's then a lot of water and fuel residue are not being boiled off so to speak. If the temps are still in lower range then the 5w-20 could be appreciably thicker for quite a period of time resulting in some fuel savings but I doubt
if it would amout to 1-2 MPG.

right, thats why I brought it up, we all get the idea the engine is at stabilized temps in as little as 1 mile cause water temp and heat comes up so fast, especially in last few yrs with cars.
I don't know either if it would amount to 1-2 mpg , I kind of doubt that big of increase.

[RinconVTR]

Water and oil temps are two different animals. Oil changes temp far less often than water, and not as quickly, up or down. The water temp gauge may show its at operating temp in 1-2 miles, that does not mean the oil is at operating temp.

I in fact have a 2 mile (rounding up) drive into work every day, and the water temp hits opertating temp in that time. But I've changed my oil many times after the short trip home, and have found it to be luke warm.

Would this have any effect on MPG's? I dont think so. It wont take 30 miles to heat the oil to optimal temp and drag the engine in that time. And even at 160ish degree's, trying to compare 0w-20 vs 5w-20 at such temps is much too similar to notice any difference.

[slab42]

Wow, you think that the oil is not getting up to temp in 30 miles? The engine block is solid metal, and without the coolant flowing through, would overheat in less than 5 minutes. The coolant temp is in essence the temp of the block, maybe even a little cooler. The oil is circulating throughout the engine, which is hot to the touch. The oil gets hot, but since it is fluid, and recycled back into the pan, and then back up, it will never really get to be the same temp as the block. 170 degrees sounds about right for the operating temp for oil.

If you want to continue to believe that your oil is not running at operating temp on 30 mile drives, you should throw it out, and stick to a straight 20 weight, that way you don't have to wait an hour for your oil to reach operating temp...:lmao:

[benjamming]

Of course the best solution would be for Honda (& other manufacturers) to include real gauges including oil, coolant (not damped soo much), tranny, etc. These are much more useful & needed than TPMS. But I digress.

[hermann]

:yes: A full set of real guages would be real nice and very useful. Have not had a good set of guages since my old High performance 1968 Cutlass.


Of course the best solution would be for Honda (& other manufacturers) to include real gauges including oil, coolant (not damped soo much), tranny, etc. These are much more useful & needed than TPMS. But I digress.

[stevencrosbie]

Of course the best solution would be for Honda (& other manufacturers) to include real gauges including oil, coolant (not damped soo much), tranny, etc. These are much more useful & needed than TPMS. But I digress.

I have them and my truck :D Tranny Temp, Oil Pressure, Coolent Temp, Voltmeter, TPMS readout, etc

And they work. They don't just read "in the middle" all of the time.:lmao:

[RinconVTR]

Of course the best solution would be for Honda (& other manufacturers) to include real gauges including oil, coolant (not damped soo much), tranny, etc. These are much more useful & needed than TPMS. But I digress.


I think they'd be nice and all, but for what use on an unmodified (or even slightly modified) street car? Really not much.

Racing and HD trailer towing...the more the better!

[Edaccord08]

IMO oil pressure gauge along with water should be the default no mater the car along with volts too.
Having them could many times save costly repairs or a critical failure from happening.

[RinconVTR]

IMO oil pressure gauge along with water should be the default no mater the car along with volts too.
Having them could many times save costly repairs or a critical failure from happening.

Well, we do, and it is default in every car, for all the above, its how its displayed and alarms that differs.

Idiot lights vs non linear analog gauges vs accurate linear gauges and finally, digital read outs.

I guess I was debateing the point of having the exact temp information shown as a defualt, cause IMO my wife and most others really could car less about the number and wouldnt know a high number from a low number for any given read out.

[benjamming]

I have them and my truck :D Tranny Temp, Oil Pressure, Coolent Temp, Voltmeter, TPMS readout, etc

And they work. They don't just read "in the middle" all of the time.:lmao:

What about a tranny dipstick? Was that included?

[Edaccord08]

Well, we do, and it is default in every car, for all the above, its how its displayed and alarms that differs.

Idiot lights vs non linear analog gauges vs accurate linear gauges and finally, digital read outs.

I guess I was debateing the point of having the exact temp information shown as a defualt, cause IMO my wife and most others really could car less about the number and wouldnt know a high number from a low number for any given read out.

I am not sure what you mean by its already default (other than sensor data from PGM/ECM), very few cars now have gauges.
As far as knowing the numbers, well could easy have color coded area's that are good an bad as guide.
idiot lights are worthless, by time it goes off damage has already happened.

[slab42]

my accord has oil pressure, water temp and voltage gauges... and they have color coded areas too. red=bad, not red=good.

and steve, your truck has all those gauges cuz it is designed to tow stuff that may cause one or more of those things to move into the red, so you need to monitor them. I am not towing anything with my accord, and I am sure no one else here would tow something significant enough to need those fancy dancy gauges you got. Stop your gloating! lol you and your 20 different storage compartments! My grandfather has the new tundra, and there are way to many compartments! lol

[stevencrosbie]

and steve, your truck has all those gauges cuz it is designed to tow stuff that may cause one or more of those things to move into the red, so you need to monitor them. I am not towing anything with my accord, and I am sure no one else here would tow something significant enough to need those fancy dancy gauges you got. Stop your gloating! lol you and your 20 different storage compartments! My grandfather has the new tundra, and there are way to many compartments! lol

You have the compartment thing right. Man...I have so many places to store stuff it is ridiculous....I mean...14 cup holders....hahahahahaha

I love it....just love this truck. Honda lost me with the TL...good luck getting me back.

Oh yeah...and no tranny dipstick. Fluid is supposed to be lifetime fluid. We will see...but it is bound to be better than Honda's 90k fluid that needs to be changed at 15k to keep the tranny from blowing up.

[stevencrosbie]

BTW....if you want M1 0-20, go to you're toyota dealer. The Toyota 0-20 is M1 Synthetic and is usually 5 bucks a quart or less. I've seen it as low as 4.

This the oil that is in my truck. Funny...I buy my filters and oil at the dealer b/c it is the only place I can get it as well as the cheapest available oil.