hi all. great forum! has anyone attempted to lower their car with their tires/wheels sticking out past the wheel well? mine stick out just a tiny bit in the front, but i want to eliminate some of the wheel well gap. but i don't want any rubbing issues either. thanks for your help/advice.

I seriously doubt it would work... :dunno:
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You could roll the fenders.

I did it!

My front wheels stick out a bit (225/50-17 ET48 on a sedan). I lowered the front like 1.8" which caused around -0.5 degrees of camber and that made the wheels tuck in nicely so they no longer look like they're sticking out and that camber is still within specs and won't cause any weird tread wear.

i think he means something like this:dunno:

well he said only the front stick out a bit so if the front and rear wheels are the same offset it shouldn't be like THAT!

If your wheels got "tucked in" then you WILL get increased tyre wear, (they may still be within 'limits' but they will no longer be optimal).. Car wheels are set to allow for the road camber, they are also set slightly "cross-eyed" (called toe-in) to allow for pressure from the front when being driven.

Altering either of those settings will make a differance to (A) how the car handles (B) how much resistance they cause by being slightly out of line of your actual drive direction (scrubbing), (C) your fuel consumption, and (D) your tyres will need replacing more often.. :paranoid:

PS.. The car in the pic indicates adverse camber, (i.e. top tucked in) it would understeer and it would wear the inside edges of its tyres out..Too much camber causes over steer and the outsides edges wear out.. :(
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cups - how much did they stick out before the drop? and do you have any rubbing issues at all?

i think he means something like this:dunno:

Don't think these guys know about down and out:dunno:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v191/egktwo/E30-11.jpg

Do they just replace the shock/spring assembly with .. say, metal rods? :D

Anyhow, James what you said is correct but is more applicable on extreme cases. If it's a mild drop like what I did it shouldn't cause problems. I can always get an adjustable front camber kit but do you think it's worth it for this drop?

izncate, they used to stick out like 1/3". Best way to know is use this calculator: http://www.rims-n-tires.com/rt_specs.jsp;jsessionid=F863F34D4E504504AB2E83C3B7 409E8D?item=Wheel-Tire%20size%20comparer&showRim1=1&showTire1=1&sw1=215&ar1=45&bd1=17&rd1=17&rw1=7.0&et1=45&showRim2=1&showTire2=1&sw2=225&ar2=45&bd2=17&rd2=17&rw2=7.0&et2=40&text1=Scion%20tC%20stock&text2=

Enter stock size, and mine is 17x8" +48 rims and 225/50-17 tires. Enter your tire size and see if yours will stick out more.

It also depends on the type/brand of tires. Some are just wider than others.

I would be more worried about the rears actually. Almost any drop there and you'll need a camber kit. I had to install one and I'm dropped less than an inch there.

...got to ask a real dumb question here about what I perceive to be a real dumb setup on the cars in these pics - how on earth do you keep from damaging your rims when they stick out well past your tires? This concept MUST have been invented by someone who sells rims for a living, cuz sure as heck you're going to wipe them out on a curb somewhere...

cheers,

Lorne Miller
05 EX-L deep green pearl with ivory
96 Odyssey taffeta white with sage

...got to ask a real dumb question here about what I perceive to be a real dumb setup on the cars in these pics - how on earth do you keep from damaging your rims when they stick out well past your tires? This concept MUST have been invented by someone who sells rims for a living, cuz sure as heck you're going to wipe them out on a curb somewhere...

cheers,

Lorne Miller
05 EX-L deep green pearl with ivory
96 Odyssey taffeta white with sage

Stretched tires and lots of negative camber allows you to run big, wide, low offset wheels on extremely low suspension.

I believe it originated in Japan with drifter/touge drivers, they needed increased steering feel from normal street tires so they ran stretched tires which eliminates sidewall flex which is necessary in drifting.

I think it's more for aesthetics now more than anything.

Btw, if you knew how much those wheels cost on that black bmw, you wouldn't come within 25ft of a curb:)

Don't think these guys know about down and out:dunno:


i don't think so, this is more like DA, up and in:lmao:
http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t309/thesteve151/up-and-in1.jpg
glad i am not the only one on here that knows about down and out:)
i am not a huge fan of the look.


Btw, if you knew how much those wheels cost on that black bmw, you wouldn't come within 25ft of a curb:)

ya i have see the prices on some of the rims that people use on vwvortex, and i almost $h!t myself, i could buy my car with that money:lmao:

i don't think so, this is more like DA, up and in:lmao:
http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t309/thesteve151/up-and-in1.jpg
glad i am not the only one on here that knows about down and out:)
i am not a huge fan of the look.



ya i have see the prices on some of the rims that people use on vwvortex, and i almost $h!t myself, i could buy my car with that money:lmao:

/\ haha. I'm personally into it when done in moderation.

I just sold my bmw which had 16x9's on stretched tires and dumped suspension. I had a down and out sitcker of my bmw on the back window:thmsup:

Driving behind that BMW on wet roads would reduce your visability to zilch due to all the spray it will throw up!! For anyone unlucky enough to be stuck behind that car, it's a serious safety issue.. :paranoid:

Personally I would like to see it made illegal to have wheels sticking out beyond the cars wheel arches and mud flaps.. Lives are far more important than peoples ego's.. :yes:
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Driving behind that BMW on wet roads would reduce your visability to zilch due to all the spray it will throw up!! For anyone unlucky enough to be stuck behind that car, it's a serious safety issue.. :paranoid:

Personally I would like to see it made illegal to have wheels sticking out beyond the cars wheel arches and mud flaps.. Lives are far more important than peoples ego's.. :yes:
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I challenge you to find one incident in which a car with wide wheels and stretched tires caused an accident due to supposed excess water being sprayed. That car in the rain doesn't throw up any more water than
any other passenger car.

With that mentality, should we make all SUVS, jeeps, hummers, 18 wheelers, etc... illegal? They definitely spray more water behind the vehicle in the rain than that little old car ever would.

Lives are not at stake, it's not that serious:lmao:

Try riding a pushbike with no mudguards on it.. heh heh.. :naughty: seriously though.......

In the UK they now make (and have done for many years) all large vehicles use mudguards made out of what looks like compressed straw on the inside, normal rubber-plastic whatever on the outside. The water gets obsorbed into it and runs out at the bottom rather than bouncing around within the wheel arches and creating huge clouds of spray that make it impossible to pass on two lane carriageways (without risking your life).. In heavy rain the UK motorways always display "heavy spray" warnings and a temp (lower) speed limit.. :yes:

Road spray can, and does, cause a lot of accidents per annum in the UK..
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spray means nothing to americans. people still go 80+ in heavy downpours here while tailgating the guy in front and talking on their cell phone in the middle of eating and/or putting on makeup. :yes:

VTECaddict.

:lmao: :biggrin:

Ok, so in the UK 80 mph = 3penalty points.. doing so in the rain is dangerous driving = 3 maybe 6 points.. Tailgating also dangerous so another 3-6 points. using a mobile (unless its handsfree) in a moving vehicle, another 3 points.. So even if awarded the min points poss in each case.. Your driver would be banned from driving here.. :)

In the UK, 12 points in total, within a 3 year period, is an automatic ban from driving, the length depends on 2 things, the magistrate, and the type of offenses commited.. min is 3 months, max usualy 3 years (but can be for life).. :paranoid:

Drink driving is an auto ban of 12 months for the first offence, 2nd offence auto 3 year ban.. And after that I doubt you could get any insurance Co to cover you to drive.. ever.... :paranoid:

Out of interest, those of you who have "Google Earth" take a look at the UK roads, when and if you have the time. Then you will understand why driving rules are so strictly upheld here.. but bear in mind G/earth shows our roads as flat, wheras in reality, some-loads of them are like a switchback ride! :D
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spray means nothing to americans. people still go 80+ in heavy downpours here while tailgating the guy in front and talking on their cell phone in the middle of eating and/or putting on makeup. :yes:

Sad but true.

I worry more about people on their cell phones while driving than road spray.
A buddy of mine was t-boned at an intersection by an F250, the guy was looking down to dial his cell phone and ran a red light, didn't even hit his brakes at all.