How is the 3.5L V6 engine that is going to be in the 08 Accord? Should be a nice replacement for the 3.0L. My dad has the Ridgeline and loves it. Ii've driven it a few times and thought it great. The Coupe could be a pretty quick car. :)

Where did you get the info that the 3.5 is going into the 8th gen?

Engine choices are still under wraps, but expect an updated version of the automaker's 3.5-liter V-6, which should make somewhere in the neighborhood of the 270 hp range, along with a 2.4-liter four with around 180 hp, which was likely powering the production mule seen here.

Sorry, I must have read it wrong. It's not confirmed but I'd assume it's going to be the same engine.

3.5 V6....if thats true my 7th gen will be traded in a heart beat.

I read the latest issue of M/T, which isn't always accurate. The issue was on all new cars and they said the Accord will get the 3.5L V6 with 270hp.


If that is the truth, I will admit to being green with envy. That engine will rock.

God I get so tired of baseless speculation

3.5 V6....if thats true my 7th gen will be traded in a heart beat.

Arn't you getting a Civic Si....?

If that is the truth, I will admit to being green with envy. That engine will rock.

yeah, but you can't mate it with your tranny..

edit: well, maybe you could do an engine swap..

Arn't you getting a Civic Si....?

No I decided to stay with the Accord. After listing positives vs negs between two cars and collecting peoples advice the accord is a better choice after all. But my eyes are open for 6MT. :D

I think it's likely not true about the 3.5 - but let me tell you, I've had that motor in our old Acura RL, the wife's '04 Pilot and my current '06 Pilot - and it's probably the smoothest motor I've ever driven, and the power is oustanding for its size. I have to be careful in the PIlot that I don't break too many speed laws - it is FAST.

andy

Engine choices are still under wraps, but expect an updated version of the automaker's 3.5-liter V-6, which should make somewhere in the neighborhood of the 270 hp range, along with a 2.4-liter four with around 180 hp, which was likely powering the production mule seen here.

That sounds like Car & Driver.

I think it's likely not true about the 3.5 - but let me tell you, I've had that motor in our old Acura RL, the wife's '04 Pilot and my current '06 Pilot - and it's probably the smoothest motor I've ever driven, and the power is oustanding for its size. I have to be careful in the PIlot that I don't break too many speed laws - it is FAST.

andy

I never knew the engine in the RL was a J-Engine!

I love the first gen RL's, in my opinion, they're a mechanical marvel. Everything in that car worked so well, and it drove so well. I recently had the pleasure of driving one 400miles with my Mom (1997) and it was certainly a highway star. You could pass cars all day with little fuss in that car; and this one had 95k miles on it.:thmsup:

I want one to add to my vehcile collection. I think I need a house with a 10 car garage. Idk why, but this family jsut can't gen enough of those cars! 6 in the driveway right now. :nuts:

current gen RL has a J35. previous gen had a C35 (90 degrees, longitudinal mount, no VTEC).

I'm not sure why everyone is expecting a 3.5L. The current TL has a 3.2 still, granted that the TL-S is 3.5L. It would be nice though..

I'm not sure why everyone is expecting a 3.5L. The current TL has a 3.2 still, granted that the TL-S is 3.5L. It would be nice though..

The current TL is a generation behind the new Accord...

Therefore there's no reason why this car couldn't have a 3.5, and the new TL in 2009 have a 3.5 but with higher output of course. I would also think interchangeability of parts between the two should be greatly increased.

3.5 V6....if thats true my 7th gen will be traded in a heart beat.

Yep, Yep....That 3.5 should put us in G35 hp category, and boy would I like to own a G35 type vehicle made my Honda....We can only hope, but it sure would be sweet...:banana:

The current TL is a generation behind the new Accord...

Therefore there's no reason why this car couldn't have a 3.5, and the new TL in 2009 have a 3.5 but with higher output of course. I would also think interchangeability of parts between the two should be greatly increased.

There is a very good reason why the accord couldn't have a 3.5 ... Honda would be pulling TL buyers to the accord side and making less money till next gen TL's come out, and there is simply no incentive for them to put an engine that big in their 8th gens as it is not necessary given their current competition. It's simple, and it's just how business works. The same reason that Toyota doesn't make a corolla hybrid...it would take sales from the prius. Use your head. The 2008 accord will MUCH more than likely NOT have a 3.5L J-series in it. Speculating that it will is just dumb.

the incentive is the camry has a 268hp 3.5 liter and the altima has a 270 hp 3.5 liter. its not a big stretch to assume honda will match it with a ~270hp 3.5 liter as well. especially with 2nd generation VCM which is supposed to provide more noticeable improved MPG.

as for the accord cannibalizing the TL in terms of more power, honda has already done it before:

2003 accord V6: 240 hp
2003 TL: 225 hp
2004 TL: 270 hp

2008 accord V6: ~270 hp?
2008 TL: 253 hp
2009 TL: 300+ hp?

honda wont lose money. what they will lose in TL sales they will more than make up for in new Accord V6 sales (outgoing TL which will have relatively low sales #'s anyways, with an all new Accord which will see a surge in sales #'s). plus, if someone was cross shopping the TL and accord anyways, they would have already been likely to go for the accord since they would be more....'frugal'. otherwise they would have been cross shopping G35, IS, etc.

Just some baseless speculation here but its possible that the increased displacement is needed to offset weight gains by the new VCM system thats supposed to make its debut in the Accord. From what I understand, current VCM doesn't stay in 3cyl mode very long - there isn't enough oomph to keep the car moving on 3 cylinders for extended periods. If the new valve train is going to support 3-4-6 cyl modes, its reasaonable to assume a more complex cam system and more weight. A few tenths of a litre increase could help with some extra oomph to allow the engine to maintain longer periods of 3 or 4 cyl modes.

Plus, increased prodcution of the 3.5L would lower costs which would benefit both Honda and Acura models.

Giving the Accord a 3.5L V6 might be more physics and cost efficient manufacturing than marketing.

Just speculation.

very good point. with VCM, it needs more torque or else it wouldn't have enough power to work in 3/4 cyl modes enough to make a difference.

Possible 3.2 from last gen TL but revised?

the incentive is the camry has a 268hp 3.5 liter and the altima has a 270 hp 3.5 liter. its not a big stretch to assume honda will match it with a ~270hp 3.5 liter as well. especially with 2nd generation VCM which is supposed to provide more noticeable improved MPG.

as for the accord cannibalizing the TL in terms of more power, honda has already done it before:

2003 accord V6: 240 hp
2003 TL: 225 hp
2004 TL: 270 hp

2008 accord V6: ~270 hp?
2008 TL: 253 hp
2009 TL: 300+ hp?

honda wont lose money. what they will lose in TL sales they will more than make up for in new Accord V6 sales (outgoing TL which will have relatively low sales #'s anyways, with an all new Accord which will see a surge in sales #'s). plus, if someone was cross shopping the TL and accord anyways, they would have already been likely to go for the accord since they would be more....'frugal'. otherwise they would have been cross shopping G35, IS, etc.

in 2003 they had the CL, in 2008 they do not. As someone suggested, a revised 3.2L J sounds like a possibility, but I wouldn't count on much more. There was a little product overlap, but only about as much as there is now with the 4cyl TSX and the 6cyl accord.

what does the CL have to do with anything? it still had the same power ratings as the TL.

2002-2003 Acura had the 260 hp TL-S/CL-S.

2007-2008 Acura has the 286 hp TL-S.

I heared that there was also a 4.2 upgrade if you like

personally, i think that the next RL will have a 5.0 under the hood.... :yes:

personally, i think that the next RL will have a 5.0 under the hood.... :yes:

Honda already said they don't intend on making any V8's.

who said anything about V8's. i'm sure stiller was talking about the NSX's V10. ;)

what does the CL have to do with anything? it still had the same power ratings as the TL.

2002-2003 Acura had the 260 hp TL-S/CL-S.

2007-2008 Acura has the 286 hp TL-S.

I don't know, I just woke up and am sort of babbling. But the TL-S and CL-S were never facing competition from the accord in any generation due to the fact that they both had higher output engines available. Given that the current high end TL uses a 3.5L, putting an equivalently sized v6 in the higher end accord is something that they wouldn't do. Acura is their luxury/performance line in the states and their upscale versions of their honda cars will always outperform their honda counterparts.

...which is why acuras have more power, tighter suspensions, and SH-AWD. you can bet the FMC 09 TL is going to get 300+ hp to compete with the IS350 and G35 so the accord's rumored 270 will be comfortably separated.

the same displacement isnt going to deter anything as long as they keep clear power differences between honda and acura. nissan does it with the VQ35 that they use in everything with a V6 except the frontier/xterra (VQ40) and G37 (VQ37). toyota is doing it with the 2GR they put in everything from the cute-ute rav4's to bimmer-fighting sports sedans.

its the extra content, upgraded materials, and better image etc that sells the luxury brands, not just power. if they do their work right with their brand image (which to be honest, acura still needs to work on) then buyers wont even know the power of the mainstream equivalents because they wont be cross shopping them. look at the camry and its dressed up twin the es350. they're separated by 4 hp. most people shopping for a lexus wont even consider a lowly toyota as an alternative.

Honda already said they don't intend on making any V8's.

who said that it had to be a V8???? :wave: :nuts:

...which is why acuras have more power, tighter suspensions, and SH-AWD. you can bet the FMC 09 TL is going to get 300+ hp to compete with the IS350 and G35 so the accord's rumored 270 will be comfortably separated.

the same displacement isnt going to deter anything as long as they keep clear power differences between honda and acura. nissan does it with the VQ35 that they use in everything with a V6 except the frontier/xterra (VQ40) and G37 (VQ37). toyota is doing it with the 2GR they put in everything from the cute-ute rav4's to bimmer-fighting sports sedans.

its the extra content, upgraded materials, and better image etc that sells the luxury brands, not just power. if they do their work right with their brand image (which to be honest, acura still needs to work on) then buyers wont even know the power of the mainstream equivalents because they wont be cross shopping them. look at the camry and its dressed up twin the es350. they're separated by 4 hp. most people shopping for a lexus wont even consider a lowly toyota as an alternative.

You're right, it's not just power, but power is probably one of the bigger things that attracts buyers (Almost all of Nissan's recent sales for example, giant piles of crap with a powerful engine). My comment was just that we will not see a 3.5L v6, especially one rated around what the J series 3.2L engine currently gets (though on premium fuel). The difference between lexus and acura is that lexus, until recently, generally sold very boring to drive, yet very luxurious vehicles who's selling point was comfort. Acura has always sold the more sporty vehicles that honda made available in the states, and that was the primary selling point. Two very different brands with two very different selling points. I could definately see 3.2 or 3.3, but we will NOT see a J35 in the 8th gen accord, at least not while the J35 powers the new MY TL's. It's that simple.

IMO it would still be unlikely that a 3.5L v6 would be put in the 8th gen accords even after the new gen TL comes out, but that would just be my guess. Sure it would be nice to have an accord with a relatively big beefy engine, but the fact is that Honda doesn't design cars for the sake of a very small portion of buyers like us, they design them to sell with broad appeal. They will put a V6 powerful enough to compete with their current competitors power, but not much bigger than necessary, if any bigger.

Despite all of that, a jump from 3.0L to 3.5L is a pretty big and doesn't seem realistic considering Honda's very mild displacement increases (when displacement has actually been increased) with each generation, especially considering the current increased emphasis on economy. Also consider the fact that this half-liter jump would only account for a speculated 26hp and a nearly equivalent amount of torque? Well that sure would be a waste of displacement. I would expect to see much more than that out of 3.5L J even if Honda completely pulled all the money from their engine development after the J35 for the TL was designed, let alone after a few years of development and improved technology. And as far as economy goes?...Sure cylinder deactivation sounds good, but I don't recall it ever being that great. People hear "Oh, 3cylinder mode? I'll get like double the gas mileage and still be able to have a 300hp car!!1!1!11", though this is nowhere near the truth. Honda may be releasing statements about how it will be great, but remember they also said something like the J30A4 will make people forget about the VQ in a press release prior to the release of the 7th gen, think about that. Press releases are used to collect interest, not to actually inform people (at least not with 100% fact).

Try to remember that (to Honda) it's about selling cars, not making your wet-dreams come true.

I own a car with DOD (Displacement On Demand) It shuts down to 4 cyl. Gas mileage is basically nil. I pull about 23-26MPG on the hwy, 13-15 in the city with the 5.3 V8. I'd hate to see the #'s if it did'nt have DOD.

I can see the 3.5 coming in the new Accord, This year they have the Altima as competition, and it has quite the features and cheaper then the Accord Coupe 6 speed. I also can't see the TL going above 300hp with FWD. Reliability is going to be a major concern. That's one of the reasons the manufacturers are jumping to RWD. Mine is FWD with 303hp and 323 torque and it's too much for the car. Plus the car comes with 255/45/18 stock Bridgestones and they just melt with any sort of hard acceleration.

you can bet the TL will get SH-AWD as well. its pretty much the defining thing for acura now.

I just wish that their SH-AWD system and a propper MT were compatible. Id rather they went with something like Audi/VW's quattro personally. Though, I've never driven anything with the SH-AWD so maybe it's amazing, I don't know.

As far as the altima goes, I don't think that the fact that it has a 3.5L will push honda that far given the fact that it's 0-60 (at least in the coupe and I assume it's the same or similar for the sedan) is slower than even the 7th gen accord, and it's a completely different engine. God I hate nissan. I love their designs and the numbers (like most people), but their quality and reliability is pretty bad. If they brought their quality up I'd jump on any number of their vehicles. Kind of makes me mad.

I was at a buddy's place yesterday and he has some new car magazine, I think Motor Trend and it lists the new 2008 models and changes. They say the Accord will get a 3.5L V6, but don't list horsepower. There seems to be a lot of confusion in this thread and speculation. Hopefully this will end both.

I don't know why people think that Honda doesn't want to compete with Acura and therefore would undermine the Accord. Not sure about the validity
of that way of thinking, but if so how do you explain a V6 Accord that currently gets significantly more horsepower then a TSX? The horsepower is actually really close to a TL. The bottom line is they are two separate product lines, and the Accord is the second best selling sedan in the country. Honda is not going to neuter in anyway, they are going to build the best Accord they can regardless of what is available from Acura.

I was at a buddy's place yesterday and he has some new car magazine, I think Motor Trend and it lists the new 2008 models and changes. They say the Accord will get a 3.5L V6, but don't list horsepower. There seems to be a lot of confusion in this thread and speculation. Hopefully this will end both.

I don't know why people think that Honda doesn't want to compete with Acura and therefore would undermine the Accord. Not sure about the validity
of that way of thinking, but if so how do you explain a V6 Accord that currently gets significantly more horsepower then a TSX? The horsepower is actually really close to a TL. The bottom line is they are two separate product lines, and the Accord is the second best selling sedan in the country. Honda is not going to neuter in anyway, they are going to build the best Accord they can regardless of what is available from Acura.

The TSX is totally different, and more of an upscale/more sporty alternative to the 4cyl accord/civic sedan. It will generally have a different type of buyer when compared to the TL/TL-S as the TSX handles a lot better out of the box, while the TL has a bunch more punch.

Motor trend saying that the new accord will get a 3.5L is obviously speculation, and I would be surprised if they said that it will get a 3.5 with any certainty at all. Maybe it was Car and Driver, it's a rag too. Have any of these details actually been released? No. They are guessing/hoping.

The Accord is a family sedan/grocery getter first and foremost. It always has been and it always will be. It is not sold as the sports sedan that the TL-S claims to be, and as such is built to different specification where power is not the main concern (overall sales are). Again, they want it to compete with the Camry, NOT the TL.

Well I trust a car magazine with better industry sources then people who post here They didn't say "we think," or "it might get," they said "it will get" so I don't think they're in the habit of lying.

Regardless, what does it matter? Instead of all of this bickering and theorizing why doesn't everyone wait until Honda releases "official" specs (especially because it seems you won't believe anything else). The car is coming out soon so the wait isn't much longer. Whatever engine is in the Accord I know it's going to get more than the 244 HP in my car, and that should be more than enough for any Accord buyer.

Say hello to the first naked shots of the 2008 Honda Accord. Although Honda is still doing long-lead press reviews of the 15-year leader in US sales, Brenda Priddy's spies captured the 2008 Accord just as it stepped out of its fascia-obscuring sports bra and into a photo shoot for a Canadian brochure. Here's what we know. Obviously, expect the new model to sport some serious frontal design changes. That new look's being eclipsed in the marketing materials only by the Honda's comments about the Accord's higher horsepower, better fuel economy and lower emissions for the V6-powered model. Although there's no word from Honda, we're anticipating a 3.5-liter V6 with about 270-horsepower, as well as the base 180-horsepower 2.4-liter four-cylinder version. – Ray Wert

Car and driver or motor trend or whatever are magazines. Their goal is to sell magazines. They are not a newspaper nor are they an avenue that honda tends to go through for detail release. The fact that they have better industry sources means nothing here as the details simply have not been released to anyone or we would know as there would undoubtedly be others reporting on the fact that the details were released to them. Did they give a source for their claim? Probably not. A few spy-shots and press releases is all we or anyone else has at the moment, none of which say ANYTHING about the engine other than it will have more power, better economy and cylinder deactivation. If the new accord indeed gets a 3.5 then I will renounce satan and embrace jesus.

Bottom line is no one knows. :) It's anyone's guess. If the did put that engine in the car, it would be very nice.

exactly. I just hate it when people talk about this stuff like it is actually been comfirmed by honda.

I just hate it when people talk about this stuff like it is actually been comfirmed by honda.

I hear ya. It's definitely all speculation and I would never put too much into what magazines say. I guess we'll find out soon enough. :thmsup:

When are they going to release the details anyway. It seems to me that if Honda follows their past trends that the cars should only be a couple of weeks away from being at dealers. You would think we would have heard something by now.

Car and driver or motor trend or whatever are magazines. Their goal is to sell magazines. They are not a newspaper nor are they an avenue that honda tends to go through for detail release. The fact that they have better industry sources means nothing here as the details simply have not been released to anyone or we would know as there would undoubtedly be others reporting on the fact that the details were released to them. Did they give a source for their claim? Probably not. A few spy-shots and press releases is all we or anyone else has at the moment, none of which say ANYTHING about the engine other than it will have more power, better economy and cylinder deactivation. If the new accord indeed gets a 3.5 then I will renounce satan and embrace jesus.

Prepare to meet your Maker Infidel......:lmao:

Haha

My question, will it still have the rubber timing belt or will they go to a chain drive?

My question, will it still have the rubber timing belt or will they go to a chain drive?

I have a feeling if it's a J-Engine (V6), yes.

The K-Engine (i4) should still have a chain.

When are they going to release the details anyway. It seems to me that if Honda follows their past trends that the cars should only be a couple of weeks away from being at dealers. You would think we would have heard something by now.

August 21, 2007: Honda will lift its press embargo; automobile magazines will release their road test reviews of the new Accord

September 7, 2007: Motorweek will televise its road test of the new Accord

September 10, 2007: Estimated day the new Accord will go on sale at Honda dealers in America

January 2008 issue: Motortrend will reveal its 2008 Car of the Year. Will it be the Accord?

If its going to be 3.5 and 270 I will be on the TL board to follow the drama LOL.

They would not be happy...

I know all about the pros and cons from rubber to chain timing belts, but does it have to be so expensive to replace??? Surely there has to be an easier way.

screw it GEAR DRIVEN! :-P

a 300+ HP accord V6 would be awesome... considering the accord V6 coupe competes as Honda's (not Acura's) fastest car... furthermore personalty why would they care if they ****ed a tiny profit from Acura and made a lot more for Honda... Kinda seems like that commercial where Coke is trying to sue Diet Coke for "Flavor Infringement" the Honda will never have the nicety's that a Acura will have so if pure HP is all that makes someone go back and forth from Honda to Acura... either way Honda Motor Corp. sells a car...

If its going to be 3.5 and 270 I will be on the TL board to follow the drama LOL.

They would not be happy...

Only the "children" will cry. Those of us who are mature enough to realize that Honda had to do this so the Accord could compete with the Camry & Altima V6 won't make a fuss. It happened before so it's no surprise. When the new Accord V6 passes me by, I won't be envious because it has 12 more hp. I'll probably be envious of a 4G TL passing me, unless the styling ****s or I get one myself. :D

However, I have to admit that I often get a good laugh from some of the posts these "children" leave at AZ.:lmao:

a 300+ HP accord V6 would be awesome...

Have we not learned from the tourqe steer plauged Alitma SE-R? 300HP in a FWD sounds liked bad news to me; that and it's not going to happen in any accord, anytime soon.

considering the accord V6 coupe competes as Honda's (not Acura's) fastest car...

Have we forgotten the S2000's 0-60 of 5.5secs?:dunno:

furthermore personalty why would they care if they ****ed a tiny profit from Acura and made a lot more for Honda...

They would care because the point of a luxury brand is exclusivity. If I could get all but one feature the TL had in an Accord for a lot less why would a buy an Acura?:yes: Acura already has way too little difference between their Honda cousins to reduce it any further IMO. The main differences in Acuras over Hondas as of late is styling and engines; but even the engines aren't that much different than their Honda counterpart. I hope to see more differences between models like the TSX, Accord, and TL in the future. I think that could greatly contribute to Acuras success. Most people who spend $40k+ on a new car want that status and the feeling that they bought something not just anyone can have. I know I love driving my Mercedes because I feel like not every other person on the road has one, and you feel 'special' I have to admit. Yeah, it's a base model; but it's no Kia.:lmao: Let's face it. It's not just about the car, it's about the name too. :yes:

the Honda will never have the nicety's that a Acura will have so if pure HP is all that makes someone go back and forth from Honda to Acura... either way Honda Motor Corp. sells a car...

That's the thing. It's not pure HP that makes the average Acura buyer choose Acura over Honda. It's because you're getting a luxurious automobile, Honda reliability and quality for less than BMW or Mercedes or Audi etc. With Acura, since day one, it has been all about value. I almost think Hyundai follows in Acuras footsteps as of present.

Lastly, it's not just about Honda Motor Company selling a car. When you say that I think of GM and how this is one of the major reasons why they're failing right now. When all you're focused on is selling whatever you can sell to make a profit and not giving direct attention to each product you not only look like you're just taking what you can get, but brand devotion and interest is lost really. I mean if Honda and Acura just start trying to sell cars in the masses, not really caring which side is selling what and how much, it's a plan for failure.

I have a feeling if it's a J-Engine (V6), yes.

The K-Engine (i4) should still have a chain.

What?
The V6 3.0 J30A4 has a rubber timing belt? I have been told by my sales rep, my dealer and almost every mechanic I know that it was a timing chain!
Is everybody wrong? :dunno:

they are all wrong, believe it or not....

the 4 cyl has the chain, while the V6 runs by timing belt....

shame on the sales reps / mechanics for not knowing.... :thumbsdow

they are all wrong, believe it or not....

the 4 cyl has the chain, while the V6 runs by timing belt....

shame on the sales reps / mechanics for not knowing.... :thumbsdow

Yeah, so I just learned that I don't have what I though I bought! :thumbsdow

Hope it's not too expensive to change the belt at 100000km ('cause of cold weather here)

People are so incompetent these day, it's almost unbelievable!

oh i agree.....

it should be around the same price as it was for the other v6's.......

it really all depends on the labor rate, and how much they do. some do the simple fluids / chge belt and pump. other do much more....

Yeah, so I just learned that I don't have what I though I bought! :thumbsdow

Hope it's not too expensive to change the belt at 100000km ('cause of cold weather here)

People are so incompetent these day, it's almost unbelievable!

It's not due till 7yrs/105k miles. You'll have to convert that to Km.

You shouldn't rely on others to give you the information you need, the best thing to do is to take some time and do a little research.:yes: I'm assuming the convo. you had with the sales rep about the belt went something like this while you we're looking on the lot...

"So the new Accords have timing chains right mr. dealer person?"

"Yes, you never have to replace it, and they're self adjusting."

I could be off by a bit, but I think that's pretty much the way most people get lied to by dealers.:yes: You have to remember; he's just trying to make a sale, so he will tell you whatever he can to mae you happy.

Timing belt and water pump replacement runs about $800-$1000 at a dealer fyi - it includes other things as well. You have a long while to save up for it.:thmsup:

Have we not learned from the tourqe steer plauged Alitma SE-R? 300HP in a FWD sounds liked bad news to me; that and it's not going to happen in any accord, anytime soon.

The Type S TL i think has a 290 HP J series engine... the Impala SS has a LS4 V8 in it... (transverse mounted LT1 basically)




Have we forgotten the S2000's 0-60 of 5.5secs?:dunno:

and? bone stock I-4 accord takes 8 seconds with 160 HP... i would hope with some nice grippy tires that a TL/300ish HP accord could easily do 5.5 seconds... Heaven forbid honda move away from 205 width tires... (just a side note i run 225's and they tuck and turn just fine... and as i cant run in the grove at the drag strip without slicks i have a set of 255 slicks sitting right next to me as we speak they get mounted and balanced tomorrow on 15X8 inch rims with a 6MM offset...)



They would care because the point of a luxury brand is exclusivity. If I could get all but one feature the TL had in an Accord for a lot less why would a buy an Acura?:yes: Acura already has way too little difference between their Honda cousins to reduce it any further IMO. The main differences in Acuras over Hondas as of late is styling and engines; but even the engines aren't that much different than their Honda counterpart. I hope to see more differences between models like the TSX, Accord, and TL in the future. I think that could greatly contribute to Acuras success. Most people who spend $40k+ on a new car want that status and the feeling that they bought something not just anyone can have. I know I love driving my Mercedes because I feel like not every other person on the road has one, and you feel 'special' I have to admit. Yeah, it's a base model; but it's no Kia.:lmao: Let's face it. It's not just about the car, it's about the name too. :yes:

Well you are a tad mistaken... back in day... Acura was the only finger of Honda in America... Acura was Hondas little secret identity so that they could sell foreign cars. Then honda came over with the civic and accord and sales were good so Acura became the high end and the Hondas became the low end... like i said ACURAS NICETYS!!! (there features and not there crazy power) is what will sell them... as nice as a Accord gets a TL/TSX is basically as nice or nicer... and the name is a little more prestigious


That's the thing. It's not pure HP that makes the average Acura buyer choose Acura over Honda. It's because you're getting a luxurious automobile, Honda reliability and quality for less than BMW or Mercedes or Audi etc. With Acura, since day one, it has been all about value. I almost think Hyundai follows in Acuras footsteps as of present.


yes... u merely repeated what i said... in a longer way...


Lastly, it's not just about Honda Motor Company selling a car. When you say that I think of GM and how this is one of the major reasons why they're failing right now. When all you're focused on is selling whatever you can sell to make a profit and not giving direct attention to each product you not only look like you're just taking what you can get, but brand devotion and interest is lost really. I mean if Honda and Acura just start trying to sell cars in the masses, not really caring which side is selling what and how much, it's a plan for failure.

Why? i run a buisness that sells Widgets and Wadgets... they both do the same thing but the Widgets are just a little better... i sell 40000 Widgets and 120000 Wadgets (theres alot more hondas than acuras on the road) now i sell wadgets for 3/4ths the cost of widgets... would i really car if i made the wadgets a little better sold MORE of them... say 25000 Widgets and 150000 Wadgets (because now that i get a better product for a better price i sell more) this is the same way with the Accords and TL/TSX if i sell less TSX/TL at 30-50K and more accords at 25-40K simply by putting the TL engine in the accord... and maby marketing it at a slightly different price... 42Kish... without any massive development movement simply my old engine from the TL into the new accord... everyone wins and honda makes alot more money...


















and the J series runs the belt because its far older of a engine than the K series...

It's not due till 7yrs/105k miles. You'll have to convert that to Km.

It's written in the manual that when you drive in cold weather, you have to change the belt at 100000km. Otherwise (hot weather), change it at 168000km.

And for sure, next time, I won't rely on those who are suppose to know their car (i.e. dealer sales rep or mechanic). At that time (when I bought the car), I didn't know there was so much incompetence going on and I had no experience with cars... Now (3 years later), I got much more experience!

Just an exemple: Last time I went to the dealer, I had to explain to the mechanic how to remove the door panel 'cause he dropped a screw in it...He was trying to do it the wrong way! :thumbsdow

The Type S TL i think has a 290 HP J series engine... the Impala SS has a LS4 V8 in it... (transverse mounted LT1 basically)




and? bone stock I-4 accord takes 8 seconds with 160 HP... i would hope with some nice grippy tires that a TL/300ish HP accord could easily do 5.5 seconds... Heaven forbid honda move away from 205 width tires... (just a side note i run 225's and they tuck and turn just fine... and as i cant run in the grove at the drag strip without slicks i have a set of 255 slicks sitting right next to me as we speak they get mounted and balanced tomorrow on 15X8 inch rims with a 6MM offset...)




Well you are a tad mistaken... back in day... Acura was the only finger of Honda in America... Acura was Hondas little secret identity so that they could sell foreign cars. Then honda came over with the civic and accord and sales were good so Acura became the high end and the Hondas became the low end... like i said ACURAS NICETYS!!! (there features and not there crazy power) is what will sell them... as nice as a Accord gets a TL/TSX is basically as nice or nicer... and the name is a little more prestigious



yes... u merely repeated what i said... in a longer way...



Why? i run a buisness that sells Widgets and Wadgets... they both do the same thing but the Widgets are just a little better... i sell 40000 Widgets and 120000 Wadgets (theres alot more hondas than acuras on the road) now i sell wadgets for 3/4ths the cost of widgets... would i really car if i made the wadgets a little better sold MORE of them... say 25000 Widgets and 150000 Wadgets (because now that i get a better product for a better price i sell more) this is the same way with the Accords and TL/TSX if i sell less TSX/TL at 30-50K and more accords at 25-40K simply by putting the TL engine in the accord... and maby marketing it at a slightly different price... 42Kish... without any massive development movement simply my old engine from the TL into the new accord... everyone wins and honda makes alot more money...


















and the J series runs the belt because its far older of a engine than the K series...

That's the motor I have in my GXP. 5.3 LS4 is a torque monster. GM did a fairly decent job with torque steer putting 255/40/18 on the front and 225/45/18 on the rear. But for a FWD it is still too much power.


WTF is a Widget, Wadget?:dunno:

fake made up products to make a point... yall never had those questions in high school? its sorta like X in algebra it can be anything... its merely states that a product is being sold...

fake made up products to make a point... yall never had those questions in high school? its sorta like X in algebra it can be anything... its merely states that a product is being sold...

Maybe most of the people on this forum aren't as fresh out of high school as some of us...:lmao:

I can't help myself - This place gets better and better on a daily basis.:lmao::nuts::biggrin:

fake made up products to make a point... yall never had those questions in high school? its sorta like X in algebra it can be anything... its merely states that a product is being sold...

oh ok..I thought it was something my kids would like to play with.lol

im not fresh out of highschool thank u... its a simple way to state a made up product... also if u ever take a IQ test... questions about Widgets and such will be on there...

Prepare to meet your Maker Infidel......:lmao:

http://www.autoweek.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070821/FREE/70821001/1528/newsletter01

Under the hood, the flagship Accord gets the largest and most powerful engine ever offered in a Honda car, a 3.5-liter V6 producing 268 hp at 6200 rpm and 248 lb-ft of torque at 5000 rpm, up 24 hp from the 2007 model’s 3.0-liter V6. :banana::lmao:In all but the coupe with the V6 and six-speed manual transmission, the V6 Accord features an i-VTEC system with cylinder deactivation—but for 2008, there’s an extra twist. Unlike the previous V6, which saved fuel by shifting from six- to three-cylinder operation in low-load driving conditions, the new engine chooses from three-, four- and six-cylinder modes, depending on power demand. Honda engineers say the system allows them to garner that extra little bit of fuel economy in the in-between zone where the old engine typically jumped back to six-cylinder mode. Honda estimates that despite a 0.5-liter increase in displacement, the new V6 still will be more fuel-efficient than its predecessor, hitting an estimated fuel economy of 19 mpg city and 29 mpg highway. To help manage any low-frequency engine noise, Honda makes Active Noise Control sound cancellation standard on all V6 models with automatic transmission and on all 190-hp four-cylinder cars.

the Impala SS has a LS4 V8 in it... (transverse mounted LT1 basically)>>>

LT1 and LS4 are two entirely different engines. The LS4 is derived from the LS1.

Acura was the only finger of Honda in America... Acura was Hondas little secret identity so that they could sell foreign cars. Then honda came over with the civic and accord and sales were good so Acura became the high end and the Hondas became the low end.>>>>

Perhaps I have completely misunderstood the above, so do correct me if I have. Acura was not the first division of Honda to sell in the U.S. The Acura brand was not introduced in the U.S. until 1986 and was intended to be an upscale alternative to Honda. Honda had been selling the Civic and Accord here since the early 1970s. In fact, the 1982 Honda Accord was the first Japanese automobile to be produced here at the Marysville assembly plant in Ohio.

Frenzal....I always make it a point to go to the dealer with more knowledge than the sales person. Just love to see that "deer in the head light" look when I ask him a question and answer it because he can't. Then they know whom they are messing with and won't give you any B.S. A well armed consumer is a businesses worse nightmare. That also includes prices. Screw the sticker, anybody can print or scan one of those things and glue it to the window. You know they all have the words "suggested retail price." It's dang sure not MY suggested wholesale price.

I was hoping Honda would get out of the rubber timing chain business with the 8th gen. production. When your averaging 25K miles a year, it don't take long to burn out 107K. I took our 02 Accord in to the dealership for belt replacement, and I have to say, the belt looked dang near brand new. No cracks, splits, missing teeth or anything. I might stretch that out to 140 or 150K next time around.

The 3.5L HAS to be the Ody new engine in 2009. I think they'll find a way to get 12 more hp out of it, so the 2009 Ody could have 280HP and get 26 on the highway.......:)

Frenzal....I always make it a point to go to the dealer with more knowledge than the sales person. Just love to see that "deer in the head light" look when I ask him a question and answer it because he can't. Then they know whom they are messing with and won't give you any B.S. A well armed consumer is a businesses worse nightmare. That also includes prices. Screw the sticker, anybody can print or scan one of those things and glue it to the window. You know they all have the words "suggested retail price." It's dang sure not MY suggested wholesale price.

I do the same thing. It is so satisfying when you can pick out the salesmen who are feeding you BS. You know that you may have just saved yourself a wad of cash, and are able to pick out the dishonest people a little more easily. I don't understand why car salesmen can't just be more straightforward in general. I for one am always more impressed by someone who is honest with me than someone who feeds me BS, making me a much easier person to deal with from their end and more inclined to buy a car from them versus the liars. Make sure that you know what incentives are offered when you buy your car so you know how much you are actually giving to the dealer.

If the new accord indeed gets a 3.5 then I will renounce satan and embrace jesus.

I hope you like your new religion!

I hope you like your new religion!

lol

http://www.vtec.net/articles/view-article?article_id=702483

Have y'all read that the 6 speed Accords will not receive the VCM....so no high fuel economy for the manual anymore...


Looks like the shift to everyone driving an autobox has started as there is now a cost disadvantage to owning the MT.....

http://www.vtec.net/articles/view-article?article_id=702483

Have y'all read that the 6 speed Accords will not receive the VCM....so no high fuel economy for the manual anymore...


Looks like the shift to everyone driving an autobox has started as there is now a cost disadvantage to owning the MT.....

If it's like the typical Honda, the 6 speed will have a performance gap to Honda's auto shitbox. So the performance oriented person isn't going to care about fuel mileage. 4 or 5 mpg isn't going to make someone that's looking to buy one, run.

I just wish we could have the best of both worlds...that's all.

I'd still buy a 6 speed....I don't like autos...

I don't know a ton about VCM, what effect does it have on power and throttle response? Maybe their goal was not to pinch pennies but to make the 6mt coupe sportier than it otherwise would have been.

I bet that is the case....but I loved bragging about my great mileage...now the AT guys will have an edge on us in the MPG department.....


Still not in the awesomeness department though :)

I'd sacrifice a couple of mpg for a true manual. I HATE automatics, though I wonder if the manual will get better mileage than rated simply due to its being manual. We'll see I guess. If it is the case that they dropped vcm to make it more sporty, I wish they would have just made it go on a diet instead.

I'm worried about the next TL.......

I bet there will be 200lbs added to it for AWD...IMHO...something it really doesn't need.....

Maybe you'll be in the market for a TSX in that case, hah. Though, the tsx isn't exactly lightweight either.

I'm not sure what I will be in the market in....I love the TL except for the rattles.

I'm not sure what I will be in the market in....I love the TL except for the rattles.

:lmao::lmao:

I love my 2003 Accord except for the rattles......:thumbsdow

How much do you guys think the lowest trim with V6 (EX-V6?) will cost at MSRP? I hope it's in the 25-26 range.

I don't know a ton about VCM, what effect does it have on power and throttle response? Maybe their goal was not to pinch pennies but to make the 6mt coupe sportier than it otherwise would have been.

I think with a manual it wouldn't work. You rev more with a stick so your six cyl mode would always be engaged. With the auto the shifts are controlled.
I sorta would like to see real world numbers with this VCM. I think alot of the gain will be guys that pussy foot the car. City driving I suspect will be NIL. I have DOD in one of my other cars and don't find it makes a difference. Maybe at most 1 or 2 mpg if you're really paying attention to your driving. The other thing is with an exhaust and V8 you get a nice rumble and come to the light it shuts down to 4 cyl and it sounds like a weed whacker. But the transition from 4 to 8 or 8 to 4 is not noticable with factory exhaust.