So many gimmicks so few values.

06 Accord V6 6MT

The Michelin MXV4's suck and cost a mint to replace.
Any suggestions? Its TIME. :)

My interests:
Volume
Wet Traction
Cornering Traction
Straightline Traction
Treadwear

first off, welcome aboard.... :wave:

2. have you looked on tirerack.com by chance? they have personal reviews of people who actually use the tires, not some salesman using smoke and mirrors....

3. have a look around in the tires / wheels section of the forum. that may help you as well....

enjoy your stay.... :)

With your interests, I would recommend the Bridgestone Potenza RE960AS Pole Position.

They have great reviews on TireRack.com A lot of people that have them love them.

I've done quite a bit of reading, but gathered nothing clear.

The name "pole position" certainly implies an overly sporty model. Perhaps I'm judging a book by its cover, but in terms of tires thats generally all you have to go on!

Continental tires seem to be a good selection for value along with a wide selection. If its good enough to be oem on many European cars its probably good enough for our Accords.

Had them on my 04 Nissan SE/R -- Continental ContiSport Contact 2. Overall, they were good. However, past 33% wear they got significantly louder with every months use.

I am giving them consideration, though!

I'm a bit confused. What do you mean that it's too difficult to buy tires?

If you prefer buying the tires from a brick and mortar store instead of online, see what tires your local store(s) has and start narrowing them down based on size, type (i.e. all season, performance all season, performance summer, winter, etc.), treadwear, price, etc.

After you do that, you'll end up with a handful of tires to choose from.

Now go to some place like tirerack.com or discounttire.com and see if they have any reviews on those tires you've narrowed down. Read the reviews to see what people say about them, what the handling is like, etc... and then buy the one that you like best. Done.

I'll even help you out a bit.... Since you have a V6 6MT, you're probably looking for size 215/50-17 which is OEM size.

Tires with good reviews or from happy people here include:

Yokohama AVID V4S
Continental ContiProContact
Bridgestone Potenza G 009
Goodyear Assurance TripleTred
Bridgestone Potenza RE960AS Pole Position

By MXV4 I think you mean the "Energy MXV4"?

There is a new tire by Michilen called "Primacy MXV4" and tirerack just reviewed it a couple of weeks ago and they seem to be impressed. Check the test results here (http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tests/testDisplay.jsp?ttid=86).

I buy on a simple basis.. One, weather.. This is the UK so no real extremes and not much snow so a standard tyre is fine.. TWO.. how much grip do I need? .. Again in the UK we have no straight roads, so good cornering is needed.. So....

Both my cars are fitted with Hancok tyres, they are above ave for grip but below ave for long life.. price-wise they are middle of the road..

If I lived in the US in similar weather conditions I would go for the cheapest long life tyres around, as 95% of your driving is done on straight roads. Size-wise i would go no wider than 185.. :naughty: .. Why? .. Because it reduces sliding, aquaplaning, drift, and as it covers less road, there's less risk of flats through picking up sharp objects off the roads.. overall it's a case of -- Horses for courses.. :) Buy the tyre most suited for where you live and how you drive.. :yes:
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Continental tires seem to be a good selection for value along with a wide selection. If its good enough to be oem on many European cars its probably good enough for our Accords.

I just replaced the 8yr old 80k miles old conti's on our 99 Sable. Was amazed that they lasted that long before they starter to crack.:paranoid:

Tires with good reviews or from happy people here include:

Yokohama AVID V4S
Continental ContiProContact
Bridgestone Potenza G 009
Goodyear Assurance TripleTred
Bridgestone Potenza RE960AS Pole Position

I HIGHLY recommend the Yokohama AVID V4s/H4s line. I have the cheaper H4s set on my car and I can't even begin to tell you the improvement over the stock michelins. They were really affordable @ tirerack.com and they seem to be holding up very well after 15k miles (granted I do rotate every 5k miles).

No more slipping, sliding, and squealing around my parking garage at work :)

Oh, and I heard Honda gets those michelins through their contract for something like $9/tire.

I second the V4S, have them on mine for a little over 6K now. Grippy, quiet, great wet traction.

I HIGHLY recommend the Yokohama AVID V4s/H4s line. I have the cheaper H4s set on my car and I can't even begin to tell you the improvement over the stock michelins. They were really affordable @ tirerack.com and they seem to be holding up very well after 15k miles (granted I do rotate every 5k miles).
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I also went with the Yokohamas. I have been extremely impressed with the ride and the handling. My father-in-law is my mechanic, and he told me he was really impressed with the way they are wearing; I drive 70 miles per day.

They are also great in the rain.

Good luck,

Okay and since my GS-D3's started becoming very noisy especially after the mild drop and are approaching their limit anyway I got me a set of the Michelin Primacy MXV4. Just installed today, I went with a lower profile 225/45-17 and still breaking in. After 30kms and after I've been driving on performance tires for the past 2 years or so the Michelins ride great, no noise (expect them to be less noisy in time), and steering response is just amazing (that maybe because of the lower profile). I'll give them at least 500kms and then I'll *test* how sticky they are.

That new Michelin Primacy Mxv4 tested great in that tirerack.com test. You sure get what you pay for with Michelin oem ones excluded. Many times I've come home from my drive and after a few curves with my favorite route said to my self " wow, awesome tires". As long as I have the dough, I'll stick with Michelin tires. Oh, I have the Pilot Exalto A/S stock size.

http://www.sears.com/sr/javasr/product.do?cat=Tires&pid=09579779000&vertical=AUTO&subcat=All+Tires&BV_UseBVCookie=Yes

http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=Michelin&tireModel=Primacy+MXV4&vehicleSearch=false&partnum=15VR7MXV4P&fromCompare1=yes&place=35

there seems to be more than one type of Primacy MXV4. 2x the price, too.

http://www.sears.com/sr/javasr/product.do?cat=Tires&pid=09579779000&vertical=AUTO&subcat=All+Tires&BV_UseBVCookie=Yes

http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=Michelin&tireModel=Primacy+MXV4&vehicleSearch=false&partnum=15VR7MXV4P&fromCompare1=yes&place=35

there seems to be more than one type of Primacy MXV4. 2x the price, too.

Get the all season one from tire rack.

I have Yokohama AVID V4S on my 2002 Acura TL-S and been happy with them. Thread wear is good (dry or wet), grip is excelent (much better than stock), road noise is low.
The only thing about the tire is it unidirectional. Rotating the tires can only go from front to rear on the same side.

http://www.sears.com/sr/javasr/product.do?cat=Tires&pid=09579779000&vertical=AUTO&subcat=All+Tires&BV_UseBVCookie=Yes

http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=Michelin&tireModel=Primacy+MXV4&vehicleSearch=false&partnum=15VR7MXV4P&fromCompare1=yes&place=35

there seems to be more than one type of Primacy MXV4. 2x the price, too.

No actually that link from sears shows the Pilot Primacy which is an older summer grand touring tire. I had those on stock wheels, they didn't handle nor stick that good and were a bit noisy too. But the car was 100% stock at the time with no suspension mods and the tire size was 205/60-16.

The Primacy MXV4 is an all-season grand touring and is quite new (I think). Traction is A (compared to AA on the summer one) but treadwear is 620 (compared to 240). I can tell that noise and ride comfort are much better with the MXV4s. Traction, I don't know as I haven't pushed them yet.

So, got hold of the Accord today and was amazed how squirrely the car was driving. The stock 205-65R15 Michelins still have a measured 5/32" of tread, but something has changed with them as they've worn - either they just get weird at this tread depth, or the rubber's getting harder. But in either case, before the eldest son takes this to school, it's gotta get some new sneakers.

I'm not going to worry about winter traction, since he has a set of Nokian Hakka 2's (studded) on the factory steelies. The first choice is Michelin, and in particular the new Primacy MXV4 - but they're not the cheapest tires around. So then I remembered that my SECOND favorite tire brand had something that might work. The Nokian i3 all-season tire. It's not REALLY all season in my book, but doesn't matter to this set. Gotten good reviews in the VW TDI forums. So I called my tire guy about 'em. This dealer is one of the local Nokian ones who does a ton of business. He says he has 44 of the H-rated 205-65R15 i3's in stock. I say how light would my wallet be with these. He says with the coupon in the local paper for fifty bucks off Nokian this month, he'll let me walk away with a set of 4, mounted/balanced/dispose of the old ones for $314. Yow - that's less than I can buy 3 of the Michelins for. And they have a 60k mile warranty, 30 day trial perod, plus Nokian road-hazard for the first 25% of tread life.

So - tomorrow I put 'em on and see how it does. Still not sure what's up with the factory S8's, but it's not something that I like. The price is right and I like the manufacturer - will report back once I give 'em a spin for a while.

andy

So, as promised, a follow-up to last night's post on the accord tires. This morning I swung by and had them replace the stock Mich S8's with a set of Nokian i3's. The Michelin's were worn more than I thought -and when you take them off the rims, the tires are sort of what used to be called "baloney tires" - VERY soft sidewalls for an H-rated version (P205-65R15 92H), and there's not a lot of good tread hitting the road. So they put the Nokian's on and used the hunter road-force on them. The road force readings on the tires were 10,8,8,7 - and none needed repositioning to get a smooth spin - amazing to me.... and these tires are really beefy! Took it for a spin and the overall handling of the car is MUCH improved, at low speeds and at high speeds. Smooth as silk on the highway, and the car is much more stable.

So, for just a whisker over 3 C-notes, I got new rubber on the son's Accord and I think it's much safer for him to drive around. I was amazed coming to the tire shop this morning how unstable the car was feeling, and how much better it was afterwards.

andy

Nokians? Do these come from the country of Nokia? :D

Pretty much any set of new tires will feel better than a set of worn out tires.

Nokians? Do these come from the country of Nokia? :D

Pretty much any set of new tires will feel better than a set of worn out tires.
If you don't live in a snow-belt state, you've probably never heard of Nokian tires. Their company started out as Nokia, and yes they were the beginning of the cell phone area before the name/tecnology was sold. This is a company in Finland that made their name in tires with top-notch winter tires, with a long history on ice-racing and also snow tires in canada and the northeast. Over the years they've evolved and expanded their offerings to now included all-season tires.

I've run Nokian Hakkapeliita snows for about 15 years now. Some are studded (patented eco-stud design to reduce road abuse), others have very siped patterns to dig into the ice. They came up with milimeter-based numbers molded into the tires so you can see how much tread depth is left, and also small temperature indicators. As you can tell, these nordic countries take their snow traction seriously, and living in NH, I appreciate what they offer!! :banana:

So, no, they're not from the country Nokia - but they're a high-quality tire that I don't mind spreading the word about...

andy

Any other positive comments on the Primacy MXV4? The price is certainly lower than the stockies but I still find it a bit prohibitive given limited user experiences. Thanks a mil!

Any other positive comments on the Primacy MXV4? The price is certainly lower than the stockies but I still find it a bit prohibitive given limited user experiences. Thanks a mil!
My tire guy whole heartedly recommends the Primacy MXV4. They haven't been around long, but he's said there's been several sets installed and everyone is raving about them. They're a great compromise between the more T-Rated Harmony and the MXM/MXV4 "old school" performance tires. I opted for the more inexpensive Nokian i3's this time since it was the son's car and the price they gave me was too good to pass up. But when I need to replace the Pirelli P6's on the wife's freestyle, it will be with the Primacy!!

andy

OP might look at the General Exclaim. It is catagorized UHP, but has a M+S stamp.
I use V/H4S too, great wear, awesome handling, but poor in snow. I used G-009s too, great as well..similar, but supposed to be ok, in snow....I did not think so. For snow performance in a good handling a/s ContiExtremes rock. Someone looking for really good wear should look into Yoko TRZ, forget speed-rating, load rating is fine. Wear=700, GREAT in rain. Some guys here might like cushy and awesome in snow, that would be Dunlop SPA2 and the Kumho ASX is similar...but maybe better handling, not as good in snow, wear is questionable, but I got them again.

PS the one tire I want to try is Eagle Response Edge. Kevlar + Carbon Fibre sidewall and tread.

Last posting! lol.

Primacy MXV4's -- Touring / Plain Jane tire
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Continental ContiSportContact 3 -- Considerably more aggressive

My driving style could be considered spirited, but for the most part I'm tame. Just remember its the AV6 6MT, it's gonna put stress on the tires all on its own. Not my fault :)

Since the Continental ContiSportContact 3 doesnt offer a price advantage at all I would choose the Michelin tire. That review on Tirerack.com for the Primacy is excellent. If you want some more sport in a all season Michelin take a look at the Exaltos.

First, you have the MXM4's if you have a 6spd, not the MXV's. The MXM4's are by far the worst tire I have ever owned. They felt fine at first, but felt very unsafe with less than 12k on them.

I got the Bridgestone Pole Positions in 215/50/17. I had the worst tire I ever owned previously, so I thought I might as well try to get one of the best. These tires are by far the best tire I have ever owned in my life. They are quieter than the MXM4's, more comfortable, less noisy, grip 100000x better in dry and wet, and apparently they have good snow traction too. Usually sporty tires come with an increased level of discomfort, these do not as the mxm4's were less comfortable than these. They are directional so you won't be able to rotate them across, but just front to rear and rear to front. This is the only drawback that I can see other than their being slightly expensive, I got mine for about 150 a tire, though the mxm4's prices are listed as being MUCH higher on tirerack (though I can't imagine why). When they wear out, I'll be getting another pair without even having to think about it.

Anyway, I don't even read the tire description other than to check for price and warranty info. For everything else I look at the reviews. I suggest you do the same. It's pretty simple once you eliminate the meaningless info.

I keep hearing good things about the RE960AS - so against all prior statements, I went with 'em. Ya'll better not be wrong :-D

^ You'll love 'em. :thmsup:

without question.

This thread is one of the funniest and most informative I know of.

Titled: "Worst Tires Ever"

http://theoildrop.server101.com/forums/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=688593&page=0&fpart=1&vc=1

This thread is one of the funniest and most informative I know of.

Titled: "Worst Tires Ever"

http://theoildrop.server101.com/forums/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=688593&page=0&fpart=1&vc=1

Interesting read-not one mention of Kumho tires. Maybe something to think about for my next tire purchase?

I've had the ASX on a few cars. I popped my set from last Fall back on my RSx just before trading it in two weeks ago. After driving that car on a bunch of different tires, I thought, damn, there are good. I compare them directly to the Dunlop SPA2. Maybe the Dunlop is better in snow, and the Kumho a lil better handling.

I should mention what I put on the new Accord Coupe. I got the ASX and put them on the rear until early winter, when I will move to the front...it being a decent a/s tire. For the front, I put on the new General Exclaim UHP, a directional UHP tire that also has a M+S stamp. Those things are nuts and the price was awesome. I upgraded to 215/55-16 because I did not feel the stock size carried the weight of the car well. I tend to put softer tires ona a car with tight suspension and tighter sport tires on cas with softer ride, like the Accord. Right now, I would not change anything about the set-up and I'll rotate them later, like I said. I also grabbed some HR snows in oem 205-60-16 fro deep winter. The tire I really want to try is the Eagle Response Edge. I've had a LOT of different tires and like to try newer models. G-009, H4S are nice choices. I loath Falkens.

Forgeting about speed rating, the Yoko TRZ is amazing. Wear at 700 and awesome in the rain. I have them on the CRV. Forget speed rating, the load rating is adequate.

I will never ever buy Falken tires again. I was duped by a consumer reports comparison years again when the ZIEX 512 came out # 1 for all season tires and tired them out. They handled and rode decent but the treadwear was horrible. Even If babied it I dont think I could have gotten 30k out of them. And to add insult to injury I than tried the ST-115, things got worse. The tire was 70% gone at 16k. I managed to get Discount tires to give me 165 bucks for all 4 pieces of junk towards my new Michelins. Talk about a miracle!!

First impression:

Quieter, 10x softer, grippy in a straight line - no more wheel hop traction, zero steering effort?

However, they do feel a tad spongy in steering response as well. Could it be from the 10k miles of <4/32 of tread on the michelins? maybe :)

I had a Falken get two bubbles on the same tire. I also had a set that could not be balanced and had to be returned. Cost me time and money.

My friend has a set of Falken Ziex 512's on his Civic. He's had 2 of them blow out from hitting the smallest pothole. Yet he still likes them. :screwy: Probably because they're inexpensive and of the somewhat sporty tread design (?).

I tried to tell him Falken's are garbage (you get what you pay for), but he kinda got offended.... guess he felt like I was insulting his intelligence or something. :dunno: Whatever. I'll just let him figure it out on his own.

My gf and I just put on some General Exclaim UHPs on her civic and they are awesome, the price is even better. No wonder why they got great reviews. Theyre good in the rain and sticky on the dry pavement, dont know about snow since we never get any here. Not to mention they have a pretty sweet tread wear pattern.

First impression:

Quieter, 10x softer, grippy in a straight line - no more wheel hop traction, zero steering effort?

However, they do feel a tad spongy in steering response as well. Could it be from the 10k miles of <4/32 of tread on the michelins? maybe :)

Mine felt like that at first too, though I think that it was due to the fact that I was used to the michelins which seemed to get REALLY hard the more I drove on them, and not in a good way. I know that tires naturally do this throughout their life, but it happened very quickly w/ the michelins. My 960AS's feel a little more stable than they did at first and feel like they have tightened up a little more than they did in the beginning. Anyway, regardless, my car is MUCH more predictable now than w/ the michelins, and extremely predictable at the limit (for me anyway). I know exactly what they are going to do and when. With the michelins my tires would bark randomly even during slow acceleration, but they did not drive the same from day to day or hour to hour. Some days they seemed almost ok, but most days they were horrible. Plus, they flatspotted like no other (as much fun as it is feeling like your wheels always need to be balanced for the first 15 minutes of driving...) They weren't quite so horrible in the rain though, still, the 960as's are a lot better in the rain regardless.

I'm shopping for tires for my 2004 Accord EX V6; I'm an average driver. Does the speed rating matter (an earlier poster says it doesn't...)? The manual calls for a V-rated tire, but I think I'd prefer a T-rated tire instead.

The Yokohama AVID V4S is about the best tire I can easily and affordably get, based on tirerack.com surveys, that exactly matches my car's requirements. However, the Yokohama AVID TRZ looks like an excellent and perfect tire for me. Good all-around performance and above-average snow driving. But it's two-notches below on the speed rating. :confused:

Any insights for a tire neophyte on this? Thanks!

You don't need the speed rating unless you are going to go those speeds for a sustained amount of time.

My truck can easily do 140 with the governor removed...but I don't have tires rated for that speed.

Get what is best for your needs.

Consumer Reports recommends not using a tire with a lower speed rating than the OEM tires.

I have the Yokohama Avid TRZ tires on my other car (2002 Chrysler Concorde) and had them on a previous car as well. I purchased them based on Consumer Reports tire ratings. They have been excellent; however, I will not use them on my 2007 Accord when the time comes for replacement.

I would suggest having at least a look at the Pirelli P-Zero Nero M+S tires...I really like mine.

I think they were voted choice #1 by tirerack last year....

The speed rating is indicative of materials/construction of the tire. You shouldn't match how fast you will be driving to determine what 'speed rated' tires to purchase. You really shouldn't buy anything less than H-rated for normal passenger cars.

Thanks for the comments. My car calls for a V-rated tire. The best choice, in my meager estimation, is a T-rated tire. My choice of the Yokohama is based on it being available at a local chain and good reviews at tirerack.com.

The Yoko AVID TRV seems a better all-season tire than the V4S, but it's a T-speed; two steps below what my car calls for. It seems that would still be good, but I don't want to make a tire choice that's just contrary to the design of the car.

My recommendation is to stick with H or V rated tires if you can. There should be lots of options for H & V rated tires.

Thanks all! I'm getting the Yokohama AVID V4S. The Honda tire guy also recommended staying with the V-rating. It may not matter, as others pointed out, but I'm conservative.

I'm looking forward to getting these on before driving home for the holidays. :)

You can't go wrong with the V4S, still have mine an still loving them.

Now ABMN knows why it's so hard to buy tires. Everyone is happy with their replacements. I was so disappointed with my original Michelins after many years on other cars. The set on my 92 Ranger dry rotted and the ones on my Honda gave out after 43K miles. Lots of good suggestions so I'll throw in mine:
The Goodyear ResponsEdge Eagle. I've put about 4K on mine and have been really pleased. Quieter than the originals and a lot more grippy. I feel a lot more confident with them on the car. I got great service from Discount Tire and would recommend both Discount Tires and the Eagles.

The Goodyear TripleTreds on the early replies are the replacements for the Aquatred 3s I had on my wifes 97 Aerostar. They also are a very good handling tire. I never liked to drive the Aerostar until I had the Aquatred 3s and they made a world of difference. I don't know how they'd handle on the Accord but I'm sure they would do well also. I just liked the construction of the ResponsEdge and spent only a few more bucks per tire.

This is how I select tires.
1) I chose either the OEM size or plus one (195/65x15, +1 = 205/65x15, expample)
2) UQTG = 400AA or higher (always AA = Traction = A, Temperature = A).
If you think it's slippery when wet, you tires suck...

For the heck of it,

Now have 6,000 miles on them. Wear isn't superb or devastating... looks much like the original michelins if not a hair worse. Then again, I've been very motivated to push the heck out of my car. Its a joy just to see how hard they'll hold on in the rain! Yes, in a 6MT on wet pavement, they don't hold on too good from 0-30mph in a first gear launch. Then again, nothing else would either. :)

I look at speed rating as a safety and over all quality rating. The higher the rating more likely the manufacture has made sure the tires wont misbehave at high speed.
All I really care is that their are speed rated, for at least ~100 MPH. Myn are H, and I will not ever be going 136 MPH...

Yes, in a 6MT on wet pavement, they don't hold on too good from 0-30mph in a first gear launch. Then again, nothing else would either. :)
Yup...know that issue well. Doubt any tire would make much of a difference. :biggrin:

Well I had to get some tires my orginal Mich's only had 37K on them so I went with the Goodyear tripletread from Discount tire-The sales guy tried to steer me towards the primacy but after reading the reviews I want to give these a shot. Can anyone here tell me if they've gotten the 80K that these tires are rated at?

I have used this tire in two different 60 series applications and found it utterly fantastic. Great in the rain, relatively quiet, excellent grip, etc. I am hooked on this tire and prefer it to the Yokohama tires I have used in the past. Tire Rack users give very good reviews also.

Seems I read a previous post about the RE960AS, and have seen one guy go back to a local retailer to buy another brand tire. He said he drove with 4 new RE960AS tires, and didn't like the hard road feel. I know reps over at Firestone (Laplace, LA), and they're recommending the Turanza Serenity (new debut tire) over the RE960AS. I just called two Firestone retailer out of my home area (Baton Rouge, LA), and have gotten the same recommendation.

Has anyone tried these? BTW, they are V-rated. 1010tires has 'em for $241.99, and Firestone's retailing them for $142. I noticed TireRack rated them 2nd to the Michelin Primacy MXV4. I'd be interested in hearing consumer test results for dry and wet traction. I live in South LA, so NO SNOW HERE! LOL

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BTW, I noticed TireRack consumers rate Primacy vs Turanza tires differently than 1010tires consumers. The ratings/opinions are opposite. Interesting...

I noticed TireRack rated them 2nd to the Michelin Primacy MXV4. I'd be interested in hearing consumer test results for dry and wet traction. I live in South LA, so NO SNOW HERE!.
Not sure about the Turanza, but the Michelin Primacy MXV4 is selling like mad down here. Haven't had a complaint yet on it and I've sold quite a few to 7th gen Accord owners with 17s. The new Goodyear Eagle F1 All-Season tires are also really popular...as much as I like Michelin, I'll probably put the F1s on mine when the time comes. While they have no warranty, I know a few people running them down here. Both are getting over 40K from a set and both run wider tires on light vehicles in the BR area. Neither have complained about issues in the rain (one runs 275s on an 02 SS Camaro, other runs 234/45 on an Acura TL.)

The Michelin (H or V rated) beats the Turanza on the UTQ rating easily (620 vs 400). The only advantage is the Turanza's AA traction rating, but the difference between an A and AA isn't huge. Based on that, I'd call it a draw between the two. Since the Michelins weight less (2-3 pounds per tire), the scale tips in their favor. Especially when you take into consideration Michelin's customer service compared to Bridgestone.

Not sure about the Turanza, but the Michelin Primacy MXV4 is selling like mad down here. Haven't had a complaint yet on it and I've sold quite a few to 7th gen Accord owners with 17s. The new Goodyear Eagle F1 All-Season tires are also really popular...as much as I like Michelin, I'll probably put the F1s on mine when the time comes. While they have no warranty, I know a few people running them down here. Both are getting over 40K from a set and both run wider tires on light vehicles in the BR area. Neither have complained about issues in the rain (one runs 275s on an 02 SS Camaro, other runs 234/45 on an Acura TL.)

The Michelin (H or V rated) beats the Turanza on the UTQ rating easily (620 vs 400). The only advantage is the Turanza's AA traction rating, but the difference between an A and AA isn't huge. Based on that, I'd call it a draw between the two. Since the Michelins weight less (2-3 pounds per tire), the scale tips in their favor. Especially when you take into consideration Michelin's customer service compared to Bridgestone.

I see you're in BR. Where do you work? Looking to buy soon. Have a co-worker that's looking into special pricing with someone he knows personally. I have a friend that works at a big name shop out of Laplace that'll give me "preferred" pricing.

I'll be getting something real soon... as soon as Uncle Sam deposits my refund in my account. :yes: