http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/sedans/112_0710_2008_honda_accord_vs_2007_toyota_camry

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Honda accord= 0 to 60 in 6.5 seconds

Totota Camry= 0 to 60 in 6.1 seconds

Suprised that they didn't go machperson in the front like they have with all the rest of their cars. I heard rumors that they were going to be doing this to the accord to, though I'm happy they haven't. I don't like how big the car is getting though or the fact that performance doesn't really seem to be improved with the larger engine. Kind of makes it seem like a waste to me. I definately like the exterior design of the camry better, especially the V6 versions. The accord sedan isn't as ugly as I remember it being from earlier shots, but it's definately a lot more ho hum than the 7th gen. What is up with the reflectors AGAIN. Almost every other car out there has switched over to projectors from reflectors. The concept had projectors, NICE ones, why not the production cars?

the coupe has projectors

TL is still faster:banana::banana:

Looking at the new Accord and the Camry side by side in the pics, I have to say that the Camry looks better.... exterior-wise.

As for the interior, it's a toss up.

the coupe has projectors

Does it? I can't see them.

edit: nevermind, just found them.

I like the fact that my 2004 is overall smaller. I never really wanted a full sized sedan to drive to and from work.

Here's some highlights of the article:

* Bluetooth
* the Accord is now classified as a large sedan
* coefficient of drag = 0.31
* 268 horsepower, 3.5-liter V-6!
* 248 pound-feet of torque!
* Variable Cylinder Management (3, 4, 6 cylinder modes)
* five-speed automatic, 19/29 mpg

1st Place: Honda Accord EX-L V-6
Sportier dress, ritzier cabin, and powertrain and chassis on par with any of its foes.

2nd Place: Toyota Camry SE V-6
Best of the rest, this player will certainly return to fight another day. Perhaps in a hybrid persona?

It befuzzles me how cylinders can be deactivated with little (if any) perceivable difference in NVH. Try pulling any 3 plug wires from a "traditional" V6! I understand that additional measures are taken such as special motor mounts and sometimes electronic noise-cancelling systems, but still... Looks like the poor thing would shake right outta the engine bay! I guess what ultimately smooths things out is deactivating the valves to eliminate pumping losses in the unused cylinders?

It befuzzles me how cylinders can be deactivated with little (if any) perceivable difference in NVH. Try pulling any 3 plug wires from a "traditional" V6! I understand that additional measures are taken such as special motor mounts and sometimes electronic noise-cancelling systems, but still... Looks like the poor thing would shake right outta the engine bay! I guess what ultimately smooths things out is deactivating the valves to eliminate pumping losses in the unused cylinders?

I was thinking the same thing. This is quite a feat of engineering on Honda's part to be able to pull that off. I think it's an industry first. But leave it to Honda to lead rather then follow.

These new Accords look fantastic. I think Honda is going to sell every single one they can make. More power, more refinement, more luxury features, better technology, and better gas mileage then the 7th gen, what's not to like. Way to go Honda!

This is quite a feat of engineering on Honda's part to be able to pull that off. I think it's an industry first. But leave it to Honda to lead rather then follow.
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Cadillac had an earlier version of cylinder deactivation back in 1981. The V8-6-4 engine was optional on the 81 Seville and Eldorado. The engine was a major flop, although they had the right idea. The current GM LS-series V8s now have cylinder deactivation.

The thing is that the cylinder deactivation only happens at higher speeds so even w/o the special motor mounts the vibrations wouldn't be that bad. It's not the same running the engine at idle on 4 cylinders than running it at 2000 RPMs.

Cadillac had an earlier version of cylinder deactivation back in 1981. The V8-6-4 engine was optional on the 81 Seville and Eldorado. The engine was a major flop, although they had the right idea. The current GM LS-series V8s now have cylinder deactivation.

I've read for years that Caddi's V8-6-4 system was a flop/failure/disaster/joke, etc. Was it a poorly engineered system that did not work as intended or was it simply prone to failure or both or neither? I've read where some owners reported the system still works after all these years. Other reports stated the system did not have enough computing power to work properly.

does anyone know if the VCM in the 2008 accord is realistically different from that of the 3.5L in the Ody ex-l and touring? if it's the same thing, it really doesn't benefit you as much as they want you to believe. the EPA fuel economy "specs" on the Ody compared to the Ody with VCM is 1 MPG difference. where does the interest in it come from for that tiny difference?????????? or is the system completely different, I have no idea if it is or not.... :dunno:

This is quite a feat of engineering on Honda's part to be able to pull that off. I think it's an industry first. But leave it to Honda to lead rather then follow.
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Cadillac had an earlier version of cylinder deactivation back in 1981. The V8-6-4 engine was optional on the 81 Seville and Eldorado. The engine was a major flop, although they had the right idea. The current GM LS-series V8s now have cylinder deactivation.

You're absolutely right. I didn't mean it's an industry first that Honda came out with cylinder deactivation, just in the manner in which they done it with this new V6 and how smooth and unnoticeable the deactivation apparently occurs.

Truthfully I really don't have any experience driving a car with cylinder deactivation so I'm far from an authority on the subject. But it seems like the wave of the future for high horsepower non-hybrid cars. In a sense you get your cake and get to eat it too. Still, I guess the true gas mileage remains to be seen, and if the new Accord actually gets anywhere near the new EPA figures.

does anyone know if the VCM in the 2008 accord is realistically different from that of the 3.5L in the Ody ex-l and touring? if it's the same thing, it really doesn't benefit you as much as they want you to believe. the EPA fuel economy "specs" on the Ody compared to the Ody with VCM is 1 MPG difference. where does the interest in it come from for that tiny difference?????????? or is the system completely different, I have no idea if it is or not.... :dunno:

Here's the quote from the MT comparo artice, so yes they are different:

"Unlike VCM in the Odyssey, though, which can switch only from six- to three-cylinder power, the Accord's system operates in six-, four-, or three-cylinder mode, the middle by deactivating one cylinder per bank and for, say, driving on the freeway at high speeds. With three-mode VCM, the Accord V-6, mated to a five-speed automatic, will achieve estimated fuel economy of 19/29 mpg-markedly superior to the 3.0 liter's 18/26 (2008 methods)"

TL is still faster:banana::banana:

And my TL is faster then yours :banana::banana:

Other reports stated the system did not have enough computing power to work properly>>>

Apparently, that was pretty much the biggest issue. Dealerships just simply disabled the system on many of the engines that were brought in for problems, leaving them to just run on 8-cylinders permanently. The all-aluminum HT4100 (which was also a major flop) replaced the V8-6-4 in 1982.

And my TL is faster then yours :banana::banana:


I hate you:grumpy:

The only thing really don't like about the Type S is the lack of Camel leather interior. I love this color....otherwise, the Type S is a superior car in every way and costs less then the older TL NAVI + ASPEC.

What happened to looking for a truck?

I hate you:grumpy:

The only thing really don't like about the Type S is the lack of Camel leather interior. I love this color....otherwise, the Type S is a superior car in every way and costs less then the older TL NAVI + ASPEC.

What happened to looking for a truck?

I looked into the CrewMax. But I guess Toyota is selling them so well, they didnt need my money. Wouldnt budge on the price.

And I've been dealing without a truck for so long now, its not that big of a deal. Im still thinking about picking up a beater truck...

You're absolutely right. I didn't mean it's an industry first that Honda came out with cylinder deactivation, just in the manner in which they done it with this new V6 and how smooth and unnoticeable the deactivation apparently occurs.

Truthfully I really don't have any experience driving a car with cylinder deactivation so I'm far from an authority on the subject. But it seems like the wave of the future for high horsepower non-hybrid cars. In a sense you get your cake and get to eat it too. Still, I guess the true gas mileage remains to be seen, and if the new Accord actually gets anywhere near the new EPA figures.

My guess, based on my experience with the VCM system in the HAH, is that the 08 Accord will be capable of considerably better fuel economy than the EPA numbers show. On long highway trips the HAH is capable of 40+ mpg just by driving the speed limit and using the cruise control to maximise the use of the VCM feature (the HAH doesn't get a great deal of benefit from the electric motor at highway speeds).

Is anyone else wondering what engine the next Acura TL will get, or even the RL to stay ahead of its plebiean Honda cousins? Leave it to Honda to find a way to enter the modern horsepower awards in a somewhat efficient manner...

... or do you think they will just distinguish themselves with drivetrain and trim differences --- SH-AWD, memory seats, Onstar, etc...?

I think the new Honda is SHARP!!!! Hopefully I'll be able to get one in about 3 years after the bugs are all worked out.

I think the new Honda is SHARP!!!! Hopefully I'll be able to get one in about 3 years after the bugs are all worked out.

What bugs??? :dunno: This is a Honda; not a new Ford. My 1994 and 1998 were both "first year" models with no problems. If I can work the numbers (and as an Accountant, I am sure I can), I would get a 2008 once the initial buzz dies and the price deals for year-end start. :thmsup:

Plus, I won't have fullly decided my favorite exterior / interior color combinations until a few more oil changes and our annual car show at Thanksgiving...

I am glad they did this comparo. Honestly I wasn't surprised and the look of the 8th gen Accord makes the Camry look dated even though it has only been out a couple of years. It shows how Honda is making their design just a little bit out of conservative.

Out of place. But Im going to jump in with a first hand comparo between our 05 EX Accord and a 04 Camry my daughter and her husband bought not long ago. Theres is a striper I4 5MT,,, Call it Se,,, ours a EX I4 5AT. No comparison.

The Camry even with a MT in it is a Buick in Jap cloths. That car is huge inside compared to the Accord. I can set the drivers seat to my comfort level and set in the back seat with no issues. And it stops better.

Other wise the Accord eats it up! With a AT it will waiste the I4 Camry... Just eat it for lunch. It corners so much better its not funny.

The Accord doesn't rattle or squeak to date. The driving noise in the Camry is near Caddy like compared to the Accord. Honda better do something about the damn noise issues and noise cancellation systems isn't going to get it done. My Mz3 is quieter than the Accord. Something about its dronish sound. My father and step mother bought a Rav over a CRV just because of road noise. They love there near perfect 4th gen Accord. Honda got bumped out because of the damned road noise.

It comes up alot here. And Ive fought the good fight. But Honda needs to stop putting motorcycle brakes on there cars. The Camry my daughter owns out stops the Accord! I took the 17" wheels and tires off the MZ3 and put them on the Accord and the Accords on the MZ3. The Accord was still a awful stoper with the better goodyears and bigger rims. The Mazda could still muster near painful full on braking on the Accord's LLR Mickys and OEM wheels. So,,, oooo well.

As Honda has clearly went after Camry in this new gen. I hope they have cleaned there act up.

The Camry even with a MT in it is a Buick in Jap cloths. That car is huge inside compared to the Accord. I can set the drivers seat to my comfort level and set in the back seat with no issues. And it stops better.

Other wise the Accord eats it up! With a AT it will waiste the I4 Camry... Just eat it for lunch. It corners so much better its not funny.


I had a Camry LE I-4 rental for a day earlier this year. I agree, it is a better Buick. Even moreso when you look at the Lucerne versus the Avalon, but that's a whole other story. The Camry, while capable, was quite sterile to me. I always have, and probably always will, prefer the feedback and driving experience of the Accord. However, road noise, has been an issue in that equation for a long time, even on the 2nd Gen Odyssey that I owned. Then again, I preferred by Odyssey over my dad's Sienna. After years of being a "half-size" smaller, it is nice to see the Accord going head-to-head against the Camry again.

And, there is a "new" Taurus to kick around again, too. Should be an interesting sales year!

I am glad they did this comparo. Honestly I wasn't surprised and the look of the 8th gen Accord makes the Camry look dated even though it has only been out a couple of years. It shows how Honda is making their design just a little bit out of conservative.

I have never liked this new Camry. The front end just seems very odd to me with that wierd cut line to put the Toyota emblem above the grill instead of floating it somewhere in the center of the opening. And the clean taillights got reserved for the ES350 and the Camry got stuck with the one that didn't quite fit flush. I am sure that it is a capable car, but a new Camry model had never excited me near as much as the release of a new Accord.:nuts::thmsup::thmsup:

I have never liked this new Camry. The front end just seems very odd to me with that wierd cut line to put the Toyota emblem above the grill instead of floating it somewhere in the center of the opening. And the clean taillights got reserved for the ES350 and the Camry got stuck with the one that didn't quite fit flush. I am sure that it is a capable car, but a new Camry model had never excited me near as much as the release of a new Accord.:nuts::thmsup::thmsup:

The bullet for the sonbro does suck. From Yaris to Avalon...

But to tell the truth I dont like any of the over sized look at me emblems on the front or rear of any car now days. Im going to bleach soak the Mazda emblems on my MZ3 and then repaint them the same color as the car,,, just to hide them. As far as Im concerned the fools should have to pay me advert money to fly such big and ugly banners....

Honda needs to fix there crap brakes and road noise. I can stop our Accord ok... but I have to work on it. The MZ3 stops so much better it isnt funny. The only cars Honda makes that will stop with the cheap Mazda is the S2000 and NSX. Its a shame.... And the road noise has to go. No excuse,,, None....

But to tell the truth I dont like any of the over sized look at me emblems on the front or rear of any car now days. Im going to bleach soak the Mazda emblems on my MZ3 and then repaint them the same color as the car,,, just to hide them. As far as Im concerned the fools should have to pay me advert money to fly such big and ugly banners....
No kidding!! I think the major change on the restyled Ford Ranger was a Blue Oval that covered half the tailgate :lmao: of this poor 25 year old little truck design. It is really bad when the badge placement seem seems to be integral to the design decisions (al la Camry, Yaris, et al) or those stupid "GM" badges on the front side quarter panels of GMs brands. At least those are generally (no pun intended) easy to remove.

I agree, the road noise has to go. Gone are the days when Honda could get by with it because of their quality compared to the competition. Especially, since Mazda has some cool cars and a great quality rating at the moment -- and a larger Mazda 6 on the way. ZOOM-ZOOM!!! I am still a Honda guy, but the competition has closed in on the quality gap, and even passed Honda in some cases. I even have by dad cross-shopping the MDX to the CX-9; much to his surprise!!

No kidding!! I think the major change on the restyled Ford Ranger was a Blue Oval that covered half the tailgate :lmao: of this poor 25 year old little truck design. It is really bad when the badge placement seem seems to be integral to the design decisions (al la Camry, Yaris, et al) or those stupid "GM" badges on the front side quarter panels of GMs brands. At least those are generally (no pun intended) easy to remove.

I agree, the road noise has to go. Gone are the days when Honda could get by with it because of their quality compared to the competition. Especially, since Mazda has some cool cars and a great quality rating at the moment -- and a larger Mazda 6 on the way. ZOOM-ZOOM!!! I am still a Honda guy, but the competition has closed in on the quality gap, and even passed Honda in some cases. I even have by dad cross-shopping the MDX to the CX-9; much to his surprise!!

Zoom Zoom is over rated. The 6 is lagging. The Ford v6 is a dog. The 2.3L is under whelming in the 6,,, but interesting in the 3. Funny how Honda has to have a base price car costing twice what a MZ3 cost to beat the poor Mazda3 on a close course race track. And over all it then becomes a drivers race. TSX hasnt near the real world braking my 3 has. But it has soft leather. and looks like a 7th gen Civic on setriods.

If I could wedge the K series motor in the Accord into the Mz3. It would be a world class sleeper. ive had to set the Mazda fan boys straight. Our 2.3L is a class act.... But it aint no K series. Its second best. Honda still owns 4 bangers. A Honda Horse is a faster pony than anybody elses.

Take the R-18 in current Civics. SOHC eco motor. The darn thing dynos out with in a few ponys of a EP3. Honda admits to 140 hp and no torque to speak of. But they dyno in mid 150 hp range. Was my Civic as quick,,, not fast!! quick as the MZ3? No.... The MZ3 is like a striped Accord with brakes.

I fear Honda is loosing its way. Make Accord a boat,,, Ok cool!!! I like land barges. But TL better make good use of a platform. Civic got a EX-l trim for 08... Somrthing just isnt right here. I still think Honda is more focused on there airplane and robots than there cars and motorcycles.... and they wholesaleing there lawn mowers at wal-mart. I hope they avoid GMish pratices. And I hope the new Accord is a bench mark all gasp there next breath over....

front end of the new accord looks nice in these pictures. i am still not favoring the rear end like the rest of us. the camry front end is ok.. the grille and emblem seems out of place to me also. it doesnt go well in the middle of nowhere. but the rear end still looks real good on the camry. the camry looks like it has a more simplistic interior and the accords interior looks like a airplane there are sooooo many buttons.

Odys and vcm- The odys is a small, but lght building( drag high) Fuel economy differences are directly proportional to driver input ( throttle position versus load, road speed, frequency of hiway vs city etc)

Accord however is (obviously) more aroedynamic with a lower drag coefficient, and slighlty lighter.
The VCM operates seemlessly by using the I-VTEC, transmission tourqe converter clutch, engine timing control, electronic throttle and an ingenious set of motor mounts that are active. The mounts are able to oscillate at frequencies opposed to vibrations set up by the engine dropping/adding cylinders. The system is in fact flawless. Additionally, the car ( odys too) uses Active Noise Cancallation in the passenger cabin to eliminate low frequency emmisions from the engine ( as well as low frequency road noise)
Having driven the car I can assure nay-sayers that if it were not for the ECO light in the instrumant cluster, you would not know the system is active

Um guys...the vcm keeps all the pistons running for balance...it just shuts off the fuel to some of them...

I agree, the road noise has to go. Gone are the days when Honda could get by with it because of their quality compared to the competition. Especially, since Mazda has some cool cars and a great quality rating at the moment -- and a larger Mazda 6 on the way. ZOOM-ZOOM!!! I am still a Honda guy, but the competition has closed in on the quality gap, and even passed Honda in some cases. I even have by dad cross-shopping the MDX to the CX-9; much to his surprise!!

The idea that the quality gap has closed and as such is no longer as important when making your decision is about as true now as it was 10 or 15 years ago (in other words, not true at all). I've heard this idea in a few car magazines (mainly rags) and other sources, but have yet to see anything that supports this claim. Overall, it's just the same story as its always been. I don't know how anyone could support that idea given nissans relatively recent turn for the worst and mitsubishi's pitiful offerings, and, well, lets not talk about the MZ6. I'd love to be able to justify buying a nissan or a mazda as they really have some cars that look outstanding on paper. Hondas quality has definately fallen a little bit, but none of the second-tier japanese manufacturers have really stepped it up, they seem to be leaving that to hyundai.

You're absolutely right. I didn't mean it's an industry first that Honda came out with cylinder deactivation, just in the manner in which they done it with this new V6 and how smooth and unnoticeable the deactivation apparently occurs.

Truthfully I really don't have any experience driving a car with cylinder deactivation so I'm far from an authority on the subject. But it seems like the wave of the future for high horsepower non-hybrid cars. In a sense you get your cake and get to eat it too. Still, I guess the true gas mileage remains to be seen, and if the new Accord actually gets anywhere near the new EPA figures.

The top-line (well lower than SRT) 300C version uses a 5.7 L Hemi V8. This engine can run on four cylinders when less power is needed to reduce fuel consumption.

I've drove one of those as a rental for 800 some miles and it's pretty darn seamless on it's transition from 8 to 4 cylinders...


Having driven the car I can assure nay-sayers that if it were not for the ECO light in the instrumant cluster, you would not know the system is active

Ditto! (from an owner's perspective)

I've read for years that Caddi's V8-6-4 system was a flop/failure/disaster/joke, etc. Was it a poorly engineered system that did not work as intended or was it simply prone to failure or both or neither? I've read where some owners reported the system still works after all these years. Other reports stated the system did not have enough computing power to work properly.

Both, I think. I believe it was more complex than current systems, engine electronics were not sophisticated enough, and so forth. Even when the engines were reliable, the transitions were often not smooth.