For the 8th Gen w/ leather, does anyone know if the passenger has a heater in both the seat cushion and the back cushion?

Thanks.

No. One of the first things I looked at in the owners manual thread ... Same reason as before, the occupant position detection sensors in the seatback.

Which is a lame excuse. Every other mfg. has engineered a way to have a fully heated seat with occupant sensors. It's not going to sway me from buying the car, but it's still a lame excuse.

Honda is better than that.

Not all "other cars" with it have the automatic size detector that turns off the airbag when the passenger is too small. That MAY have something to do with it....:dunno:

it makes no sense to me why they need any sensors in the seat back? small children etc, are determined by DOWNWARD pressure. the weight in the seat, not the pressure to the back. it just makes no sense to me at all. hell, I put a 12 pack of soda on my right front seat, not even touching the seat back and the car thinks there is a small child there and does what the owner's manual says if there is a small child in the seat(can't remember exactly what it does, tried it a long time ago). again, not even touching the seat back. so why???????

The Honda system can also tell if someone is leaning to the side and will disable the side airbag. Detecting weight can help determine if a small stature person is in danger from the front dash airbag, but without the top seat sensors, it couldn't tell if the passenger was leaning in the way of the side airbag.

they sense height, weight & location.....from what I understand. Mine doesn't. It changed in '04.

never heard of a system working like that. cool, if it works right.

here's the description from Honda.....

I don't care if it can sense which way you combed your hair, it should be fully heated.

You think a Mercedes S-Class doesn't have a billion sensors that will turn off the airbag if a baby is leaning the wrong way and still have a heating element in the back of the seat? Hell, there's cars with heaters, coolers, blowers, and massagers that still have all the sensors for weight, size, and every which way you can sit.

Hell, there's cars with heaters, coolers, blowers, and massagers that still have all the sensors for weight, size, and every which way you can sit.

Absolutely, but most of them are not in the same price range as Accords.

Safety >> "backwarmer", if you ask me :thmsup:

Absolutely, but most of them are not in the same price range as Accords.

Safety >> "backwarmer", if you ask me :thmsup:


Don't get me wrong, I do agree with you. I just don't see how it would be THAT much more expensive to engineer both a heater and the proper sensors. I'm not saying it needs to have all the massagers and stuff. It's just I'll have to explain to every passenger who uses it why their butt is warming up but their back is still cold.

I'm curious to know if other manufacturers side airbags work the same way. To my knowledge, side airbags will deploy in most situations for most cars They might turn off/on determined soley by weight, not torso position. If you notice what look likes a seat back sensor net in the PDF that princess attached, it would occupy the same area the seat back heaters would need to be.

Personally I'd rather have the heated seatback on the pass side but Honda is probably thinking proactively avoiding lawsuits as much as safety.

I didn't know that the driver seat would moderate the airbag if the seat was scooched up close to the wheel. Another neat detail. :thmsup:

You think a Mercedes S-Class....
right. because an accord should have the same features/capabilities as a $100k luxo barge. :dunno:


EDIT:
not sure what year this was published, but that looks to be a current gen E-class in there. no mention of occupant position detection to disable side airbags, only weight sensors to determine if a child is there.
http://www.sceneoftheaccident.org/erg/mbrestraints.pdf

so i guess your precious $100k s-class with its heated and cooled and ventilated massaging seats dont have sensors that can detect every which way you are leaning.

right. because an accord should have the same features/capabilities as a $100k luxo barge. :dunno:

not sure what year this was published, but that looks to be a current gen E-class in there. no mention of occupant position detection to disable side airbags, only weight sensors to determine if a child is there.
http://www.sceneoftheaccident.org/erg/mbrestraints.pdf

so i guess your precious $100k s-class with its heated and cooled and ventilated seats dont have sensors that can detect every which way you are leaning.

And just for kicks...

Seat Heaters is a $900 winter pkg on my Mercedes; it does not have it.:lmao:

So get happy!:lmao:

I'm curious to know if other manufacturers side airbags work the same way. To my knowledge, side airbags will deploy in most situations for most cars They might turn off/on determined soley by weight, not torso position. If you notice what look likes a seat back sensor net in the PDF that princess attached, it would occupy the same area the seat back heaters would need to be.

Personally I'd rather have the heated seatback on the pass side but Honda is probably thinking proactively avoiding lawsuits as much as safety.

I didn't know that the driver seat would moderate the airbag if the seat was scooched up close to the wheel. Another neat detail. :thmsup:

in the Audi system, which I am familiar with, there is nothing to determine where the weight is in the seat. there is a "gell" pad in the passenger's seat bottom that displaces the gell when weight is on the seat. the more gell is displaced, the more weight is determined present. those seat, side, airbags only deploy on side impact. different vintages of Audi's determine side impact differently. older models had a latterall sensor at the bottom of the B pillar or under the carpet on the floor on each side of the car. later cars use pressure sensors in the doors themselves to determine side impact. that is the system I know how works, and yeah, seat backs are heated also on those and there are no sensors of any kind in the seat back.

Honda's airbags have more than one stage..... so if a little person was in either front seat or the position wasn't right for the full blast of airbag, it does it in a 2 stage deployment. You'd have to watch in slo-mo to see it. THAT'S what an update was for mine, reset computer timing for it.

Honda's airbags have more than one stage..... so if a little person was in either front seat or the position wasn't right for the full blast of airbag, it does it in a 2 stage deployment. You'd have to watch in slo-mo to see it. THAT'S what an update was for mine, reset computer timing for it.

most manufacturers use dual stage airbags now from what I know. this portion of the system is not unique.

true, but they each do it in their unique way....

I find the airbag technology interesting... but I only have paid attention to Hondas.

Being both the passenger & the driver with the heated seats, I'll say most passengers wouldn't notice the back portion not heating up. I notice the lack of 8-way power more as a passenger. But then again most passengers aren't runts like me.:D As a passenger I can't see over the hood....:paranoid: Makes it hard for me to tell him how to drive!!!!:lmao: j/k I'm not one of those kind.....

I guess I underestimated the seat heater thing. I just thought by now with today's technology and the fact that stuff that cost big bucks 5 years ago costs pennies today you could make the whole seat with the heaters and sensors for a couple hundred bucks.

Not sure why this is even an issue for any of us "drivers".

I could really care less how cold my wife gets in the passenger seat. As long as I'm comfy then she can have a cold back. :)

My Audi has cushion and back heaters on the passenger side. So did the last Audi however, the airbag did not deploy during a nasty (total the brand new A6) accident. No direct link between the two however, as far as I'm concerned, if Honda thinks it's better not to have the heated passenger seat (back) then my wife can live without it.

..... hope she's not reading this.

-Shark

I don't care if it can sense which way you combed your hair, it should be fully heated.

You think a Mercedes S-Class doesn't have a billion sensors that will turn off the airbag if a baby is leaning the wrong way and still have a heating element in the back of the seat? Hell, there's cars with heaters, coolers, blowers, and massagers that still have all the sensors for weight, size, and every which way you can sit.

you want quality comparable to a mercedez for about half the price? good luck with that.

There is very little of Honda's system that is unique to the car world.

My Tundra has dual stage front airbags, side curtain airbags, side airbags, stabilty control, roll sensing for curtain airbags, and the entire seat of the passenger side heats up.

Honda really needs to fix this as it is a dumb problem to have. Even the 60k RL has only the seat being warmed.....

Uh, our Pathfinder (2003) has VDC (stability control), dual stage front airbags, side airbags, curtain airbags, and heated front seats including a passenger seat with heat on the bottom and backrest. Guess Nissan's engineering team can handle all that safety stuff and fully heated seats.

I'm sure Honda will figure it out by the time the Gen9 comes out (2013).:rolleyes: I mean, it only took 'em 8 gens. to give the Accord auto close sunroofs and auto on headlights.

Honda's burnin' the midnight oil!:thmsup:

you want quality comparable to a mercedez for about half the price? good luck with that.

'quality' and 'mercedes' in the same sentence after 95' - 96 or the last C-class's in 2000 ? .... eh (they are making efforts on the 08 c-class, but it's still a 'rubber-maid' interior)

comparable *options* & *gadgets* for half the price would've probably been a better choice of words...



post chrysler merger Merc's have been plagued with electronic issues...not all, but way too many for what folks pay to own/drive/insure the cars (but most of those folks have enough cash they could wipe their ass with hundreds and only care about the namesake and hood bonnet)

seat warmer in the back for the passenger, yeah it would've been nice, but I'm with other posters in this thread, power seats for the passenger , even if not all 8-ways would've been very nifty to have thrown in there for the cost of the EX-L's...but oh well, the car is a blast to own! :banana:

Even the 60k RL has only the seat being warmed.....

agreed!...major suckage points on that... along with using same window switches from the civic's (my own lil gripe in such a posh car that I really do like a lot)

Guess Nissan's engineering team can handle all that safety stuff and fully heated seats.

I'm sure Honda will figure it out by the time the Gen9 comes out (2013).:rolleyes: I mean, it only took 'em 8 gens. to give the Accord auto close sunroofs and auto on headlights.

Honda's burnin' the midnight oil!:thmsup:

hehe, yeah..nissan used all that time they saved/skimped on development of long lasting drive trains and AWD 'x' series components for their infiniti's and nissans to work on interior components, fit and finish :lmao:

sidenote: Honda could really take some notes on the quality of interiors from Infiniti (not sure about the endurance of their leather and components) but the plastics, trims, accent pieces Infiniti uses just all flow together well and look very posh. I find the in Honda's you will leave a semi-permanent scratch from a oh so light finger nail scratch or basically anything.

Either way the seat heater stick, warm at best in every Honda I have had. German cars can fry an egg on them vs Honda You have to wonder if it's working most of the time

Either way the seat heater stick, warm at best in every Honda I have had. German cars can fry an egg on them vs Honda You have to wonder if it's working most of the time

Why would you want to fry your ass on the seat heater anyway? Once again, the heaters were designed with safety in mind right? :dunno:

Mine does a good job heating my seat and I can even feel it on my back thru my leather riding jacket.