We haven't talked much about this specifically for the 8th generation. I think it would be worth waiting on, even if it means I don't get a new 8th generation this winter and instead have to wait until 2009 (GULP!).

http://www.dieselforecast.com/ArticleDetails.php?articleID=386

http://trends.autoblog.com/2007/06/04/honda-accord-says-no-to-hybrid-yes-to-diesel/

Would you buy an Accord diesel?

Share your thoughts and new information on Honda's future diesel here.

Yes I would...


But I'm waiting for the Nissan Titan diesel, Ford F-150 Diesel, and Ridgeline Diesels :)

Yes I would...


But I'm waiting for the Nissan Titan diesel, Ford F-150 Diesel, and Ridgeline Diesels :)

I think you're due for a non Honda/Acura vehicle Steven. :yes:

I have a strong feeling another Honda/Acura will leave you disappointed because of rattles and other misc. things. JMO...:dunno:

I think you're due for a non Honda/Acura vehicle Steven. :yes:

I have a strong feeling another Honda/Acura will leave you disappointed because of rattles and other misc. things. JMO...:dunno:

He wouldn't be looking at a Titan if he's worried about rattles.lol

I've been reading the Titan forums....seems like the 06 and newer are much better....

Not too serious about the Titan though...just a cool truck.

I'd buy a diesel Accord, or a diesel civic. Something tells me the price will be somewhat out of reach though.

I'm really hoping they put a high torque four cylinder diesel in the accord.... something that blends driveability with great gas mileage. I hope they do not try to go high performance like they did with the hybrid.

i really hope its all true, the US is so frustratingly far behind in diesel cars and light trucks it kills me. time to wake up and smell the kerosene

I think it is true. It didn't beat the Bluetec to market. But, when you read about how good the i-CTD engine is in Europe, hopefully it will be here soon....

I was also reading about Mercedes new DiesOtto today. A 4 cylinder powering an S-class. Pretty awesome technology!

The biggest reason North America won't embrace diesel is smell. They have to clean up the diesel stations to get common folk on the band wagon. Here in Ontario there isn't a lot of diesel pumps at normal gas stations, so a customer would have to go to a truckstop which wreaks of fumes.

The biggest reason North America won't embrace diesel is smell. They have to clean up the diesel stations to get common folk on the band wagon. Here in Ontario there isn't a lot of diesel pumps at normal gas stations, so a customer would have to go to a truckstop which wreaks of fumes.

Is Canada getting a diesel as well?

Here in America I'd have to say that at least 3/4 of all major brand gas stations have diesel (in the states where they're allowed anyways.).

Is Canada getting a diesel as well?

Here in America I'd have to say that at least 3/4 of all major brand gas stations have diesel (in the states where they're allowed anyways.).

I believe so. Will it be a hit? Not too sure. I think it'll boil down to cost. If it's $8000.00-$10000.00 more premium as in the truck segment I don't think it'll do well at all.

According to the Frankfurt Auto Show Honda plans to push ahead with a i-dtec turbo diesel. Sounds like Europe will be the proving grounds. Could this be the second generation of the i-cdt ??
http://jalopnik.com/cars/honda/frankfurt-auto-show-honda-accord-tourer-concept-298552.php

The biggest reason North America won't embrace diesel is smell. They have to clean up the diesel stations to get common folk on the band wagon. Here in Ontario there isn't a lot of diesel pumps at normal gas stations, so a customer would have to go to a truckstop which wreaks of fumes.
There is another reason: bad memories. It may not be logical today, but the diesel disaster of the early 80's, mostly the fault of General Motors, have left the less informed general population to believe diesels were never meant for automobiles. Those poor ****ers who bought Olds and Cadillac diesels were really ripped off, and the fallout from their anger still echoes today.

VW and Nissan (among others) have been building very good diesels for years, but their market research indicated that it was not worth the effort to try to educate the American market. Attitudes change slowly.

Recently VW (and MB, of course) reentered this market, but they are not making a big deal of it. It will be interesting to see Honda's approach when the diesel Accord arrives next year. They are about the only company that has the level of consumer confidence to sell the general public on diesels again.

Waldo

PS. For those who may be too young to remember, the above mentioned "diesel disaster" was spawned by GM, when they tried to meet the demand for fuel efficiency with diesels built from modified gasoline V8 engines. The basic engine structures were not strong enough to take the stress of high compression diesel operation, and they simply broke down.

VW was selling diesel cars faster then they could build them (MB also sold well built diesels), so the management pinheads at GM forced the rapid introduction of engines that, reportedly, the engineering people strongly advised against.

More info on the i-DTEC diesel.
http://world.honda.com/news/2007/4070911Accord-Tourer-Concept-and-i-DTEC/

The biggest reason North America won't embrace diesel is smell. They have to clean up the diesel stations to get common folk on the band wagon. Here in Ontario there isn't a lot of diesel pumps at normal gas stations, so a customer would have to go to a truckstop which wreaks of fumes.

I think almost all fuel stations in Canada have at least one pump with two nozzles. Most of the time I see them unoccupied...that may be more of an incentive to go diesel.

I think Honda's thought this through pretty well. I suspect this car will be well embraced throughout North America.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VwRCBHhyrAA

Generaly speaking Peugeot make the best diesel engines for family cars. It's amazing how many vehicles have got one under their bonnets! ..

I think Honda made a serious mistake with their diesel design..

Basically they have tried to make a low compression, high revving diesel engine, that is livelier than an ave diesel, but not as good as a petrol engine..:dunno:

Where's the market? It wont be as good on fuel as other diesels, and it wont perform as well as a 2.2 litre petrol engine? I certainly don't want one!

The reason that diesels are rare in the US is obvious = you have cheap fuel. And the reason for that is that G Bush and Co are all oil magnates.. :dunno: If you go diesel they will sell less oil and personaly stand to lose millions in revenue every year.. :dunno:

But But... If fuel suddenly rockets in price then the ave American is in deep shite!!! Still.. that's not Georges problem, as long as the cash rolls in he's happy. :D

Personaly, I think you (the US general public) should make it illegal for anyone to hold any political office, if they have a vested interest in the policies they have to make, and vote on..

But -- as stated, that's purely my personal opinion.. :D
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I'm eagerly awaiting the '08 diesel Accord but fear it won't be here in time and I'll be forced to buy another gas Accord. I average 32 mpg with my '03 since new but if the diesel can hit high 40's, that would save me about $1,200 per year in fuel. I get reimbursed for my gas (and car allowance) so savings are a big bonus. I drive close to 60k per year.

My '03 has 240,000 miles on it and by Spring, will be over 260k. I was really hoping to replace it in the Spring.

I checked into the VW TDI, but was disappointed to learn about the relatively frequent need to change the timing belt (60k). I can do this myself, but it's quite a job according to the primer on the TDI.com forum.

I am trying to find out if the current 2.2L diesel in Euro Accords uses a belt or chain. I even emailed Honda UK but got a generic "call your local dealer" reply. If the Honda diesel uses a belt, I'll stick with another gas Accord.

If anyone has this info, I'd appreciate hearing it. If the news was good, I'll keep my '03 till the Fall of '08.

The diesel Accord will me a 2009 model next fall. Sorry...

By the looks of the cases, chain -

http://world.honda.com/news/2007/4070911Accord-Tourer-Concept-and-i-DTEC/photo/pages/09.html

That would be consistent with the current 4 cylinder. With a belt, you would be seeing external belt covers like VW's or the Honda V6's.

By the looks of the cases, chain -

http://world.honda.com/news/2007/4070911Accord-Tourer-Concept-and-i-DTEC/photo/pages/09.html

That would be consistent with the current 4 cylinder. With a belt, you would be seeing external belt covers like VW's or the Honda V6's.


My god you are right!!! That's fantastic. Now I just have to milk another 60k out of my '03, shouldn't be an issue. Right now, at 240k, my sales guy says he can get me a $5k trade-in. I'll probably lose another $1k or so plus an additional $1k mark-up for the diesel?

I got a brief education on diesels during our recent trip to Europe. All were quiet, smokeless, and had plenty of pep regardless of the brand.
The Ford Mondeo diesel is one darn good looking car and very popular in England. If Ford brought that body style to the U.S. it would be an instant hit.

After hearing first hand that they don't rattle like a big Ford truck diesel and have enough torque to take off in second gear with five large people and all their luggage aboard.....I was sold.

I look at Honda as an engine company that also makes cars. If anyone has the expertise to get Americans into diesels they are the one.

the accord diesel is based on a current K series partly... that is why there is a chain. it also does not have urea injection, another plus, because all cars with that type of emission device will have to go to the dealer to get more urea. (at specified intervals)<- = more cost in the long run... Honda acheives the same emissions w/o the urea with a new cat. system.

>>>>but if the diesel can hit high 40's,<<<

I seriously doubt it!! I think realisticaly, you will get into the high thirties... :yes:

>>>I look at Honda as an engine company that also makes cars. If anyone has the expertise to get Americans into diesels they are the one.<<<

Interesting comment. :) but they also made the worst auto box on the planet! and continued to do so for many years.. :naughty:

Honda Accord diesel sales are low in the EU compared to other makers.. I don't know why, but there must be reasons for low sales.. :dunno:

My Prediction--- Honda diesels will only sell well in the US if diesel cars are in very limited supply.. They better hope someone like Peugeot don't start to sell family cars with diesel engines in the US.. heh heh..

My friends manual 1998 1.9TD Citroen ZX (Peugeot engine) @ 200,000 miles is still getting top speeds of 120 ish, and averaging 60 mpg, .. erm.. not at that speed though!! :lmao: It also runs very well on a 50/50 veggie oil mix with no mods whatsovever.. (Bosch fuel pump).. :) No smoke, no smells, no obvious noise to indicate it is a diesel engine either.. :)
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The biggest reason North America won't embrace diesel is smell. They have to clean up the diesel stations to get common folk on the band wagon. Here in Ontario there isn't a lot of diesel pumps at normal gas stations, so a customer would have to go to a truckstop which wreaks of fumes.

That's the funniest thing I've ever heard. You could blindfold me and take me to downtown Toronto, let me outside, and I could tell you were in Toronto by the smell. The whole city smells of Propane thanks to those (leaking) Propane powered taxi cabs. How would diesel smell be worse?

but they also made the worst auto box on the planet! and continued to do so for many years..


And what does this have to do with diesels? Just seems like an off the wall comment to me :dunno:

Honda Accord diesel sales are low in the EU compared to other makers.. I don't know why, but there must be reasons for low sales..

They're very new to the market, are they not? Not near as established as other brands there which could easily account for lower sales.

I seriously doubt it!! I think realisticaly, you will get into the high thirties...

"The 2.2CTDi diesel-powered Honda Civic, sold now in Britain, delivers 43 miles per gallon in town and 55.4 mpg in combined city-highway driving." Although the Accord (US version) is larger and heavier it should still get close to the Civic MPG using the same powerplant......why would it not?

Personaly, I think you (the US general public) should make it illegal for anyone to hold any political office, if they have a vested interest in the policies they have to make, and vote on..

But -- as stated, that's purely my personal opinion.. :D
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So basically we would have no President. Every person has some way to gain from the power that comes with the highest office in the world. It's interesting how many people from other countries have such strong opinions about the United States when they are ignorant to much of our culture. America is not what you see on TV.

My parents used to have a 1980 Mercedes 300D diesel-- It's the car I learned to drive in. And while that car did shake a bit at idle, had the characteristic diesel clatter, was a bit slow, and produced a mild amount of then-typical diesel smoke, from a driving standpoint it was still a very good car that we were quite satisfied with. You'll still see a very large number of W123 series Mercedes diesels (to which the 300D belonged) on the road. They're everywhere, and are arguably one of the best cars ever built from a longevity standpoint. Even Mercedes has been quoted as admitting they were over engineered. Just awesome cars.

Our's looked just like this (minus the window tint):

http://vikingautobrokers.com/photos/inventory/1982_mercedes_300d_b/photo%20027.jpg

A properly built diesel engine can go 40 years with prudent normal maintenance-- It's a shame GM so royally screwed up diesel's reputation back in the 80's, as they can be a superior value over the life of a car, extending it far beyond what a gasoline engine could ever deliver.

In short, I wouldn't hesitate to buy a diesel Accord, and in fact really, really wished they offered a diesel in the 7th Generation. I would have gladly saved for another 3-4 months to cover the additional cost, and it would have been well worth it.

And this Honda diesel is going to be nothing like what many of us are used to from previous decades-- Contemporary diesels are far more refined in terms of noise, vibration, power, and exhaust. And while they won't really reduce our usage of fossil fuels (which we can discuss in another thread if anyone wishes), diesels still reduce CO2 emissions. With proper soot and NO2 emission controls in place, diesel engines could make a significant difference in terms of reducing pollution... :banana:

Drove a rental Mercedes A160TDs this spring in the UK. I'd put it at Civic size (bigger passenger space, very small cargo area) and we averaged 48 mpg overall, with mostly Motorway driving at around 72 mph. Very nice engine - quiet, responsive, and no obvious diesel clatter, odor, or turbo lag. My wife, no diesel fan she, remarked several times how she wished we could buy this car stateside. Contemporary diesels give up nothing in driveability to a gasoline engine.

I'd definitely consider a diesel Accord

At the other end of the spectrum, last fall we had the opportunity and fun of hiring a taxi and tour guide driver for a whole day of touring in Greece. The cab was a Mercedes E320 diesel. [This car is now sold in the US as the BLUTEC.] It was very powerful, fast, and quiet, nothing like the past diesels from MB or anyone else. In another life I used to drive a 79 300D, and this is a different animal. :thmsup:

Footnote: If anyone reading this plans on a vacation that includes Greece, it would be hard to find a better way to spend a day there than with George Kokkotos in his taxi. The pictures on his web site are slightly dated. He now has a 2006 E-class MB diesel. This guy is good enough to be the Ambassador and head of the Chamber of Commerce for Greece. Make reservations far in advance.
http://www.greecetravel.com/taxi/

On VTEC.net they say that it's a high possibility that for 2009 the Accord will have diesel.

I seriously doubt it!! I think realisticaly, you will get into the high thirties... :yes:


James:
Are you being sarcastic? I already hit the high 30's with my gas Accord. A diesel better get into the high 40's.
On an unrelated note, I'm in CT tomorrow and will have an opportunity to drive the new Altima hybrid. It's way out of my price range, but I'm curious to how it compares to my buddy's Camry hybrid. (Motor Trend picked the Altima over the Camry this month)

James:
It's way out of my price range, but I'm curious to how it compares to my buddy's Camry hybrid. (Motor Trend picked the Altima over the Camry this month)

The Altima hybrid uses the Camry's hybrid system... Nissan buys it from Toyota until Nissan can build their own.

The diesel should get in the mid 40's - depending on how honda gears the transmission... it depends on things like the final drive ratio. <-That is for highway driving. City depends on the person, and how lead footed they are, but I imagine mid to upper 30's possible with mainly city mix. just my thoughts
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I assume there will be an automatic or maybe CVT transmission available? I'm stuck in traffic way too much for a manual.

I assume there will be an automatic or maybe CVT transmission available? I'm stuck in traffic way too much for a manual.

If I were to purchase a CVT equipped vehicle, it'd be a Toyota hybrid, and only a Toyota hybrid. Those are the only CVT units that are lasting well over 150k miles, often with the original oil fill. The others are a crapshoot.

BTW, while the Altima shares the same hybrid system as Toyota, I don't think it uses the same transmission.

I drove the full-zoot Altima Hybrid last night in CT. Underwhelmed. NO trunk space, that would never work for me (keep a file system in the turnk). Power was adequate, about the same as my '03 Accord EX 4 banger. The CVT tranny was very strange in feel, but I guess you get used to that.
$32k as well, with no bargain room.........no thanks.
To be fair, I was in a Sonata V-6 rental which had plenty of power. I'm curious about driving the new 190 HP EX-L Accord.

When I drove the Altima hybrid, it felt like it didn't want to stop because it was generating power from the brakes. I didn't like that feeling.

A brief mention of Honda's future I-DTEC Diesel Engine.
http://www.canadiandriver.com/articles/ly/hondatoybox.htm