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: '08 V6 6MT Coupe: 0-60 in 5.9, 1/4 mile in 14.5


Fireball
09-25-2007, 03:52 PM
Road & Track has tested the 2008 Honda Accord V6 6MT coupe. Here are the results:

0-60: 5.9 seconds
0-100: 14.5 seconds
1/4 mile: 14.5 seconds @ 99.8 mph
Top speed: 130 mph (electronically limited)
Skidpad: 0.82g
Slalom: 63.4 mph
60-0: 132 feet
80-0: 242 feet
R&T fuel economy: 16 mpg (estimate)
Interior noise: 44 dBA (idle), 72 dBA (70 mph)
Test weight: 3715 pounds


Reference: http://www.roadandtrack.com/assets/download/1107_rt_dp_accordCoupe.pdf

ezshift5
09-25-2007, 03:58 PM
[QUOTE=Fireball;Road & Track has tested the 2008 Honda Accord V6 6MT coupe.

...thanks for the prompt report...............(subscription folks seem to be last to known around here)

Even money says that Car and Driver (with there flogging, abusive, drop-clutch starts will lower those numbers.

...at least that's the way it went down with GENVII tests.........

best, ez......

chanke4252
09-25-2007, 04:21 PM
holy crap, 3715 lbs, that's disgusting...

detsgt696
09-25-2007, 04:34 PM
WOW! What a Heavyweight.:thumbsdow

Accordlover
09-25-2007, 04:50 PM
It gained less than 400 lbs. It has a larger engine, a larger cabin, is wider, has larger suspension/handling components, brakes, wheels etc.

07 EX V6 6MT Coupe - 3371 lbs

08 EX V6 6MT Coupe - 3715 lbs

Sometimes I wish all the people who criticize the Accord growing in weight each generation would just realize the fact that it got bigger for a reason, and that it's an Accord for Christ sakes. Some people seem to expect Honda to build them a completely performance oriented Accord. Reality check people; not happening. We are all entitled to our opinions, but some that I read are so senseless to me.

Oh, and that's my opinion. :lmao:

Trip
09-25-2007, 05:07 PM
Um, notice that the R&T spec sheet has a CURB WEIGHT (est 3545) and a TEST WEIGHT (est 3715). I'm thinking the 3715 number is with driver and test equipment on board? And note that both weights are estimated.

Honda lists the V6 6sp weight as 3446 in the brochure and online.

Misc stats from a thread at v6performance.net ( http://www.v6performance.net/forums/showthread.php?t=89803

8gen AV6 EX-L 2dr (auto) - 3569lbs
8gen AV6 EX-L 2dr with NAVI (auto)- 3585lbs
8gen AV6 EX-L 2dr (6sp) - 3446lbs
8gen AV6 EX-L 2dr with NAVI (6sp) - 3459 lbs
http://www.hondanews.com/categories/816/releases/4102

For comparison:

7gen AV6 LX 2dr (auto) - 3353lbs
7gen AV6 EX 2dr (auto) - 3360lbs
7gen AV6 EX 2dr (6sp) - 3298lbs
http://www.hondanews.com/categories/816/releases/3622

Looks like the 2008 V6 6sp coupe weighs in 148 lbs heavier. IMO not bad considering the gains in size, safety (ACE), and features.

2007 6spd Coupe

3298 lbs
244 hp
212 lb*ft

13.52 lbs/hp
15.56 lbs/lb*ft


2008 6spd Coupe

3446 lbs
268 hp
248 lb*ft

12.86 lbs/hp
13.90 lbs/lb*ft

Fireball
09-25-2007, 05:22 PM
For comparison, Road & Track has tested the new Accord and WRX:

2008 Honda Accord V6 6MT coupe (http://www.roadandtrack.com/assets/download/1107_rt_dp_accordCoupe.pdf)
0-60: 5.9 seconds
0-100: 14.5 seconds
1/4 mile: 14.5 seconds @ 99.8 mph
Top speed: 130 mph (electronically limited)
Skidpad: 0.82g
Slalom: 63.4 mph
60-0: 132 feet
80-0: 242 feet
R&T fuel economy: 16 mpg (estimate)
Interior noise: 44 dBA (idle), 72 dBA (70 mph)
Test weight: 3715 pounds

2008 Subaru Impreza WRX hatch (http://www.roadandtrack.com/assets/download/1007_Subaru_WRX.pdf)
0-60: 5.7 seconds
0-100: 16.1 seconds
1/4 mile: 14.4 seconds @ 94.7 mph
Top speed: 140 mph (electronically limited)
Skidpad: 0.83g
Slalom: 66.6 mph
60-0: 124 feet
80-0: 227 feet
R&T fuel economy: 17.9 mpg
Interior noise: 42 dBA (idle), 71 dBA (70 mph)
Test weight: 3330 pounds

It's impressive that the family-car Accord has caught up to the rally-race-car WRX in performance (as long as the streets are dry!).

MasterRyu
09-25-2007, 06:16 PM
I don't know much about racing, but 5.9 secs is pretty darn good for a family coupe. If I'm not mistaken, I think the altima coupe V6 is 5.9 too, and I that car is a lot lighter than the accord coupe.

SCABADA
09-25-2007, 06:17 PM
Um, notice that the R&T spec sheet has a CURB WEIGHT (est 3545) and a TEST WEIGHT (est 3715). I'm thinking the 3715 number is with driver and test equipment on board? And note that both weights are estimated.

Honda lists the V6 6sp weight as 3446 in the brochure and online.

Misc stats from a thread at v6performance.net ( http://www.v6performance.net/forums/showthread.php?t=89803

8gen AV6 EX-L 2dr (auto) - 3569lbs
8gen AV6 EX-L 2dr with NAVI (auto)- 3585lbs
8gen AV6 EX-L 2dr (6sp) - 3446lbs
8gen AV6 EX-L 2dr with NAVI (6sp) - 3459 lbs
http://www.hondanews.com/categories/816/releases/4102

For comparison:

7gen AV6 LX 2dr (auto) - 3353lbs
7gen AV6 EX 2dr (auto) - 3360lbs
7gen AV6 EX 2dr (6sp) - 3298lbs
http://www.hondanews.com/categories/816/releases/3622

Looks like the 2008 V6 6sp coupe weighs in 148 lbs heavier. IMO not bad considering the gains in size, safety (ACE), and features.

2007 6spd Coupe

3298 lbs
244 hp
212 lb*ft

13.52 lbs/hp
15.56 lbs/lb*ft


2008 6spd Coupe

3446 lbs
268 hp
248 lb*ft

12.86 lbs/hp
13.90 lbs/lb*ft

Good points.

I think people were ready to complain before they really looked at the numbers as closely as you did.

dgs
09-25-2007, 06:28 PM
I don't understand. The 08 only weights 150 lbs more than the 07 coupe yet the 0-60 and 1/4 mile times are the same for both cars. Actually I bet an 06-07 coupe is actually a little faster in the 1/4 mile, probably more like 14.4. That is surprising, I thought for sure it would be a 14 second car with all of the torque and horsepower. I think the slalom times and the stopping distances are the same for both coupes too.

So I can only come to two conclusions about these numbers:

1. The 06-07 Accord is seriously under-rated. I know the SAE requirements for calculating horsepower changed for 06, but when Honda refreshed the engine for the 30th anniversary of the Accord it got a lot more horsepower out of the engine then they are admitting to. I need to get my car on a dyno to find out what the real horsepower is.

2. The Motor Trend tester could not launch the car properly for whatever reason. Unless of course other magazines get the same times.

Again, I'm not bagging on the new coupe at all, those are very respectable numbers. I'm just surprised they are no better than the 7th gen.

Accordio
09-25-2007, 06:46 PM
I bet that car was full of fuel too. I wish they'd post their 60ft times. 85 degree heat don't help either. I have no doubt that car will hit 13.8-13.9 bone stock. Up here anyways.

The steering wheel looks better then the sedan.

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y299/04hemiboy/091820072014348044.jpg

chanke4252
09-25-2007, 07:20 PM
It gained less than 400 lbs. It has a larger engine, a larger cabin, is wider, has larger suspension/handling components, brakes, wheels etc.

07 EX V6 6MT Coupe - 3371 lbs

08 EX V6 6MT Coupe - 3715 lbs

Sometimes I wish all the people who criticize the Accord growing in weight each generation would just realize the fact that it got bigger for a reason, and that it's an Accord for Christ sakes. Some people seem to expect Honda to build them a completely performance oriented Accord. Reality check people; not happening. We are all entitled to our opinions, but some that I read are so senseless to me.

Oh, and that's my opinion. :lmao:

I'm not expecting it to be completely performance oriented, but I see the increase in weight and size as totally needless. Besides that, they are marketing the accord coupe as being "performance oriented". There is nothing about the weight, size and features that screams "performance" to me in any way. I just find that the accord's tendency to have gotten bigger and gained weight has become a little bit silly at this point.

Phongt12
09-25-2007, 07:55 PM
Honda is definitely trying to market both sedan and coupe as "performance" oriented cars to compete with Nissan, which is why we're getting the new 3.5L V6 versus the old 3.0L. It's disappointing to see that the numbers are slightly better, if not the same as 07. The increased hp/torque was pretty much negated by the huge increase in weight and size. The current 08 coupe is about the weight of most mid-sized sedans, which is appalling in its own right. Honda squeezed out 244 hp in just a 3.0L, so I'd like to see them reach at least 280 hp in the 3.5L. I'm thinking Honda will up the horsepower once the new TL's are out, which will be MMC time.

08exl
09-25-2007, 08:55 PM
I'm not expecting it to be completely performance oriented, but I see the increase in weight and size as totally needless. Besides that, they are marketing the accord coupe as being "performance oriented". There is nothing about the weight, size and features that screams "performance" to me in any way. I just find that the accord's tendency to have gotten bigger and gained weight has become a little bit silly at this point.

There sure seem to be quite a few bitter 7th gen owners on here :dunno:. Just seems that most of the 8th gen bashers own a 7th gen that is a couple years old or less? Does that have something to do with their opinion of the new accord? Hmm.....At any rate, some people may not see the bigger size as a necessary thing or a positive one, but obviously there will be another group that will appreciate the roomier interior and more spacious design. Honda must be betting that a lot more people will appreciate the bigger accord or they would have left it the same size as before. The reality is the market changes, consumers demand a better (and in this case bigger) product so the car maufacturers produce what the public wants, it's what sells.

Accordio
09-25-2007, 08:59 PM
There sure seem to be quite a few bitter 7th gen owners on here :dunno:. Just seems that most of the 8th gen bashers own a 7th gen that is a couple years old or less? Does that have something to do with their opinion of the new accord? Hmm.....At any rate, some people may not see the bigger size as a necessary thing or a positive one, but obviously there will be another group that will appreciate the roomier interior and more spacious design. Honda must be betting that a lot more people will appreciate the bigger accord or they would have left it the same size as before. The reality is the market changes, consumers demand a better (and in this case bigger) product so the car maufacturers produce what the public wants, it's what sells.

I have no complaints of the 8th gen. I think it's better all around then the 7th gen.Why they never put a LSD in the coupe is beyond me. I trade cars every year so I don't get attached.lol I'm still waiting for a G8 or Challenger though.

chanke4252
09-25-2007, 09:25 PM
There sure seem to be quite a few bitter 7th gen owners on here :dunno:. Just seems that most of the 8th gen bashers own a 7th gen that is a couple years old or less? Does that have something to do with their opinion of the new accord? Hmm.....At any rate, some people may not see the bigger size as a necessary thing or a positive one, but obviously there will be another group that will appreciate the roomier interior and more spacious design. Honda must be betting that a lot more people will appreciate the bigger accord or they would have left it the same size as before. The reality is the market changes, consumers demand a better (and in this case bigger) product so the car maufacturers produce what the public wants, it's what sells.

Not bitter, just don't like the direction the accord is heading.

Phongt12
09-25-2007, 10:15 PM
There sure seem to be quite a few bitter 7th gen owners on here :dunno:. Just seems that most of the 8th gen bashers own a 7th gen that is a couple years old or less? Does that have something to do with their opinion of the new accord? Hmm.....At any rate, some people may not see the bigger size as a necessary thing or a positive one, but obviously there will be another group that will appreciate the roomier interior and more spacious design. Honda must be betting that a lot more people will appreciate the bigger accord or they would have left it the same size as before. The reality is the market changes, consumers demand a better (and in this case bigger) product so the car maufacturers produce what the public wants, it's what sells.

Trust me, everyone was the same when the 06 mid-model change came out. Given the opportunity, I would pick up an 08 EXL V6 in a heartbeat, but my car is still fairly new. The 08 is a piece of art in its own right and you should be proud of your purchase. I don't think people on here have the "mine is better than yours" mentally generally. They are just pointing out the little nuances and differences here and there. You are right though - nowadays, even Japanese car manufacturers have gone bigger to fit the American market, so I guess everything is just relative.

chanke4252
09-25-2007, 10:28 PM
^^agreed. I do not think that my car is "better" than your car, or anything silly like that. But, it is "better" for me and my tastes. If I were in the market for a larger type sedan, I would definately look at the new accord. Big cars make me uncomfortable on the road though, so eh.

frenzal
09-26-2007, 03:40 AM
I'm quite surprised they got the same numbers as the 05 coupe V6 6-speed...

I though it would have been a bit faster...but in the end, it's logical: more HP, more weight = same results!

JBrian
09-26-2007, 04:49 AM
I bet that car was full of fuel too. I wish they'd post their 60ft times. 85 degree heat don't help either. I have no doubt that car will hit 13.8-13.9 bone stock. Up here anyways.I also would rather see the 60' times; I bet it’s in the 2.30 range! It’s VERY difficult to launch a manual transmission FWD car with high horsepower. The race weight of 3715Lbs compares with the 3705Lbs race weight of my 2003 TL-S with me in the seat and a full tank of fuel. So figure on taking about 275Lbs out of that (Me and 10 gallons of fuel) for a typical dry weight (3440Lbs); right in line with Honda’s number!

What impresses me is the 99.8Mph number! That is just plain putting down the ponies! In real terms, that motor is putting down more horsepower than any pure-stock small block (340 Mopar, 351 Ford or 350 GM) from the muscle car era! In February of 2006 I was happy that my wife’s 2003 TL-S ran a 14.93ET @ 94.07Mph! Any stock V6 Accord 6-speed manual, Generation 7 & 8 would maul the second Generation TL-S at the drag strip! That’s 5Mph for gosh sakes!

If you could control the wheel hop and get that 6-speed to hook with a 5000Rpm clutch drop, you’re looking at middle 13’s in the ¼ mile! It’s also a LEV motor that pulls down middle 20Mpg without effort.

bluestars80
09-26-2007, 05:40 AM
There sure seem to be quite a few bitter 7th gen owners on here :dunno:. Just seems that most of the 8th gen bashers own a 7th gen that is a couple years old or less? Does that have something to do with their opinion of the new accord? Hmm.....At any rate, some people may not see the bigger size as a necessary thing or a positive one, but obviously there will be another group that will appreciate the roomier interior and more spacious design. Honda must be betting that a lot more people will appreciate the bigger accord or they would have left it the same size as before. The reality is the market changes, consumers demand a better (and in this case bigger) product so the car maufacturers produce what the public wants, it's what sells.

Don't count me in that group..........I LOVE the 8th gen look, even though I have a 2003. I am just waiting a couple years to get a 2009 or 2010........:)

I am going to drive the 190HP sedan, I think it will have plenty of giddyup............:biggrin:

Accordio
09-26-2007, 07:05 AM
I also would rather see the 60' times; I bet it’s in the 2.30 range! It’s VERY difficult to launch a manual transmission FWD car with high horsepower. The race weight of 3715Lbs compares with the 3705Lbs race weight of my 2003 TL-S with me in the seat and a full tank of fuel. So figure on taking about 275Lbs out of that (Me and 10 gallons of fuel) for a typical dry weight (3440Lbs); right in line with Honda’s number!

What impresses me is the 99.8Mph number! That is just plain putting down the ponies! In real terms, that motor is putting down more horsepower than any pure-stock small block (340 Mopar, 351 Ford or 350 GM) from the muscle car era! In February of 2006 I was happy that my wife’s 2003 TL-S ran a 14.93ET @ 94.07Mph! Any stock V6 Accord 6-speed manual, Generation 7 & 8 would maul the second Generation TL-S at the drag strip! That’s 5Mph for gosh sakes!

If you could control the wheel hop and get that 6-speed to hook with a 5000Rpm clutch drop, you’re looking at middle 13’s in the ¼ mile! It’s also a LEV motor that pulls down middle 20Mpg without effort.

I'd put money it's 2.5-2.7 60ft. That 99.7 mph is capable of easily laying a 14.0 with a 2.1 or so 60.

My first run in my Accord I got 2.14 60ft. Ran 14.1 @99. Now with my LSD and bigger rubber, I think I could rip a 13.8-9

F23A4
09-26-2007, 10:24 AM
Honestly, the numbers (on paper) indicate that the 8G V6 6MT may hold its own against the current TL-S. LINK (http://www.roadandtrack.com/assets/download/3car_dp.pdf.pdf)

Fireball
09-26-2007, 03:13 PM
Honestly, the numbers (on paper) indicate that the 8G V6 6MT may hold its own against the current TL-S. LINK (http://www.roadandtrack.com/assets/download/3car_dp.pdf.pdf)

Actually that TL-S has high-performance summer tires, limited-slip differential, premium-fuel calibration, performance-calibration suspension, etc. Add these to the '08 Accord 6MT and you probably will run in the 13s at over 100 mph.

ezshift5
09-26-2007, 04:05 PM
Actually that TL-S has high-performance summer tires, limited-slip differential, premium-fuel calibration, performance-calibration suspension, etc. Add these to the '08 Accord 6MT and you probably will run in the 13s at over 100 mph.

......that's really hanging it out there. Lose the probably and I'd almost fly with you. Car and Driver is waiting, just waiting for (1) a cooler day (previously mentioned) (2) two gallons in the new improved 18.5 gallon tank and (3) their signature drop-clutch/high rpm abusive start. You and I - - 'ball.....would not drive like that. Hey, they don't have to pay for a new clutch.............

But they are odds-on favorites to record better times than R&T (probably)....

all the best, ez...

stevencrosbie
09-26-2007, 04:16 PM
Actually that TL-S has high-performance summer tires, limited-slip differential, premium-fuel calibration, performance-calibration suspension, etc. Add these to the '08 Accord 6MT and you probably will run in the 13s at over 100 mph.

Even if you could add all of that....you'd still have an Accord :)

F23A4
09-27-2007, 07:16 AM
Even if you could add all of that....you'd still have an Accord :)


...and a pretty damn fast one at that. :thmsup:

08exl
09-27-2007, 11:06 AM
I agree, an accord is an accord, some performance upgrades could be a good thing but it seems that some want a full fledged sports car. I think honda needs to spend some time creating a real sprts car for all the enthuasists, it seems (from what I've read on here) there would be a real audience for them. Maybe not though, the prelude had to have been cut for a reason. I think the s2000 is just a sad little car, it looked good in its' day but it now looks outdated in a 90s miata kind of way. Back to the topic though, sorry to rant

abmn
09-27-2007, 12:38 PM
Aren't these accel numbers the exact same as the numbers for the 05-07 6mt coupe? I'm so very certain that they are.

chanke4252
09-27-2007, 03:50 PM
Actually that TL-S has high-performance summer tires, limited-slip differential, premium-fuel calibration, performance-calibration suspension, etc. Add these to the '08 Accord 6MT and you probably will run in the 13s at over 100 mph.

The accord actually has all of those things now, it's just sold at the Acura dealership, and it's not called an accord.

08exl
09-27-2007, 05:15 PM
Referring to a TSX?

Scott Si
09-27-2007, 08:16 PM
Here are some numbers I posted over at TOV. All tests were done by R&T

03 Accord 6MT V6 Coupe

0-60: 6.3 sec.
0-100: 15.7 sec.
1/4 mile: 14.8@97.2
60-0: 127 ft
80-0: 228 ft
Skidpad: 0.81g
Slalom: 63.9 mph

08 Accord 6MT V6 Coupe

0-60: 5.9 sec.
0-100: 14.5 sec.
1/4 mile: 14.5@99.8
60-0: 132 ft
80-0: 242 ft
Skidpad: 0.82g
Slalom: 63.4 mph

08 Altima 6MT V6 Coupe

0-60: 5.7 sec.
0-100: 13.9 sec.
1/4 mile: 14.2@101.2
60-0: 130 ft
80-0: 234 ft
Skidpad: 0.84g
Slalom: 65.2 mph

chanke4252
09-27-2007, 08:25 PM
Referring to a TSX?

TL, heh.

cnisenbaum
09-29-2007, 02:22 PM
Here are some numbers I posted over at TOV. All tests were done by R&T

03 Accord 6MT V6 Coupe

0-60: 6.3 sec.
0-100: 15.7 sec.
1/4 mile: 14.8@97.2
60-0: 127 ft
80-0: 228 ft
Skidpad: 0.81g
Slalom: 63.9 mph

08 Accord 6MT V6 Coupe

0-60: 5.9 sec.
0-100: 14.5 sec.
1/4 mile: 14.5@99.8
60-0: 132 ft
80-0: 242 ft
Skidpad: 0.82g
Slalom: 63.4 mph

08 Altima 6MT V6 Coupe

0-60: 5.7 sec.
0-100: 13.9 sec.
1/4 mile: 14.2@101.2
60-0: 130 ft
80-0: 234 ft
Skidpad: 0.84g
Slalom: 65.2 mph
The 2006-7 6 speed Accord gained a few horses and matched the 5.9 seconds 0-60 time of the 2008.