So here are my likes and dislikes with the 08 accord, after driving it for a few days. Keep in mind that I have the 4cylinder exl so my statements toward handling etc may not be the same as a v6 sedan would be, I'd expect those to be far superior but you never know.:dunno:


Things I wish the car had….A mute button on the steering wheel, something I had in my last car that I really miss. It was a great feature and easier than turning the volume down then readjusting it, say when you have an incoming call and need to mute the stereo to take the call. Telescoping wheel, not something the vue had but the Mercedes did, and I loved it but definitely not a necessity. Tinted windows, that’s an easy fix. Fog lights, but I’ll fix that too. Something I can’t fix is the absence of rear air? Why ? Maybe Honda will incorporate this one in the future.

Things that need improvement…the sliding center console, I like that it slides and it’s of good quality but I don’t like that it slides so freely. It cannot be set to a stationary position anywhere between all the way forward or all the way back. A bigger “cell phone compartment”, the little slot to the left diagnol from the steering wheel. I don’t know what it actually is but I used it in my previous car to hold my cell. The one in the vue was more than adequate but the one in the accord in too shallow, it won’t even fit my razor.

Things the car needs…All season floor mats, I’ve never owned a car with black interior before and I think it looks great. But some easy to clean mats would definitely be beneficial. I saw some on one of the accord parts sites and will be ordering them asap. I had some in my vue and would highly recommend them to anyone who wants a lower maintenance interior, it’s as easy as pick up the mat and pour out the dirt onto the ground every few days. I hope the ones for the o8 work as well as the ones for the 06 vue did.

Things about the car I love, or at least like… The general styling is great IMO, inside and out. The rims, stock 17s on a sedan, not half bad! For a sedan the handling is top notch, I’d say it’s great even. It’s not a sports car but the last car that I had that handled as well was my camaro ( the camaro handled better but you get the point). On that same note, the brakes also work well, finally a car with 4 wheel disc brakes, the 1st one I’ve owned. The car feels very soild and “tight” if you will. When test driving cars, I noticed a lot of road noise in the Saturn aura, the Nissan altima, and even the camry although it was the least noticeable of the three. The accord has little road noise and feels very tight when shutting doors etc. That’s something that I honestly didn’t expect from such an affordable car, it’s similar to the quality of the 02 c320 Mercedes that we own in that respect. I also like the location of the display for the stereo, I’ve never owned another car that had all the important displays in line with each other like the accord does. Great thinking by an engineer somewhere! :thumbsup:

Things I wish the car had….Telescoping wheel, not something the vue had but the Mercedes did, and I loved it but definitely not a necessity.

That must be something this generation lost then. I remember liking the telescoping wheel on my dad's 03.:dunno:

Things that need improvement…the sliding center console, I like that it slides and it’s of good quality but I don’t like that it slides so freely. It cannot be set to a stationary position anywhere between all the way forward or all the way back.

This has been an issue since 2003.

A bigger “cell phone compartment”, the little slot to the left diagnol from the steering wheel. I don’t know what it actually is but I used it in my previous car to hold my cell. The one in the vue was more than adequate but the one in the accord in too shallow, it won’t even fit my razor.

I think that's just there because in older Hondas, the cruise control, TCS, etc. were in there. Now it's just a little nook like thing.

Thanks for your impressions of the car. It sounds like you're really enjoying it, which is good to hear, because I just purchased something very much like it.

Yesterday I special ordered an 08 EXL Navi with a 5-speed manual transmission in white. Got 1k off of list, and so it was about 26,900. That's a lot of money, but it's a lot of car for the money. It won't arrive for about 2 months.

When I was test driving one of the cars, the dealer showed me how to tilt and telescope the steering wheel. At least I'm pretty sure it did that. Give another try on yours?

Best, Ben

I would really be suprised if they removed the telescoping feature of the steering wheel.

I would really be suprised if they removed the telescoping feature of the steering wheel.

I retract, the steering wheel does telescope, I wasn't pulling hard enough I guess. So there's one thing off the list, thanks for the help!

Something I can’t fix is the absence of rear air? Why ? Maybe Honda will incorporate this one in the future.

For some odd reason, Honda saves this for the TL as one of the "differentiations". I would think it would at least make it to the V6 models, but that would cause some lost economies of scale in the mass production process, I am sure.

After test driving so many cars with rear air vents and even having rental cars with and without it, I am leaning toward wating for the 2009 TL now. It really helps the rear seat passengers on a hot day - which are many in Florida. And, as comfortable as the Accord seats are, the TL's are just that little extra bit softer and nicer in feel. But, the TL currently does not have the rear seat room that the Accord does; so there is a tradeoff. But, the redesigned TL should be bigger and may even add SH-AWD :naughty:

We've had 4 generations of no rear A/C Accords, and I spent alot of time as a child in the back seat of 3 of those Accords. It did bother me how long it would sometimes take to get airflow, but once the front got cool, it made its way to the back.

In the newest bunch of Accords, the A/C is so much better that I think the underseat air vents coupled with the front A/C is okay. In the 03 Accord, it took about 2 minutes for me to start feeling cool. Not a big deal to me.

My Mercedes has the rear air, and to be quite honest it's kinda crummy. It doesn't blow hard at all. I've noticed this about many cars with rear air (the Pilot being one of the worst, then the RL & TL).

My Mercedes has the rear air, and to be quite honest it's kinda crummy. It doesn't blow hard at all. I've noticed this about many cars with rear air (the Pilot being one of the worst, then the RL & TL).

Your mercedes is a c class similar to mine though mine is a 320, the air rear air works well in mine as far as rear air goes. I like the seperate fan control :thumbsup: I have to say that the ac in general in the mb is less than satisfactory when compared to other cars. It's been that way since it was new, the dealer told us it is normal but it doesn't blow nearly as hard or as cold as other cars I've owned including the honda.:dunno:

I didn't find the Gen 7 A/C to make really cold air. When working properly, the A/C had to be set to 65-68 for a long while on HOT days, and the fan had to be blowing hard.

The new Camry, (Loaner service car) on the other hand, blows stinging cold air at any fan speed. The amount of cold that unit can generate is impressive. It will cool the entire car off very quickly in any outside temperature using only "front A/C", at low to medium fan speeds.

The a/c in my '07 E550 (MB) is only fair to adequate. The rear a/c is not a true rear a/c like in vans, it tunnels the front output thru the sides of the dash thru the front doors, the B pillar and exits there, as well as tunneling the air from under the dash thru the console & out thru the rear of the console. It loses alot of "coolness" on the voyage to the rear. The controlls on the rear of the console don't do much as I set the temp & max fan speed by the front controlls. A setup like this isn't as great as it looks in a brochure.

When I test drove an exl model with the dual zone ac, it seemed powerful to me, and stronger than the ac on my 02 Accord.

I didn't find the Gen 7 A/C to make really cold air. When working properly, the A/C had to be set to 65-68 for a long while on HOT days, and the fan had to be blowing hard.


I live in Dallas TX, and besides Arizona or Florida I can't think of a hotter state in the country during the summer months. The temperature this summer in Dallas has been very mild as far as Dallas summers go, but August was a scorcher. 100 degrees plus almost daily. The A/C kept the car incredibly cool at a setting of 68 degrees with the recirc button turned on. There is no way in hell I could have turned it higher or I would have froze.

Plus there are other things to consider when discussing how well a car A/C works. For one, are you overweight or skinny? Overweight people get hotter much easier than skinny folks, and I'm definitely thin; 5'9" a 147 lbs soaking wet. If you weight 300 lbs you're definitely going to need to set the temperature higher than me to stay cool. Also, do you have window tint or not? Tinted windows make a huge difference in how hot the car interior gets. Lastly, do you park your car in the shade and use a sunsheild on hot days or not? Talking about how well an A/C works without discussing the other variables that go into keeping a car cool is not an accurate way of gaging the effectiveness of the system.

I didn't find the Gen 7 A/C to make really cold air. When working properly, the A/C had to be set to 65-68 for a long while on HOT days, and the fan had to be blowing hard.

Try using a semi-auto mode. After the interior cools down for a few minutes, turn the temp down to LO. Manually set the fan speed to your liking. After the car is driven for 10 - 15 minutes, it should be very cold. Adjust mode to floor/dash setting and change fan speeed as needed.

In effect, when you do this, the temp is "being turned all the way to the blue" as if it were a manual A/C system. Trying to cool the car off quickly with the temp at 68 would be like setting a manual system to half way between the red and the blue areas. In AUTO mode, the car will continue to blue so-so cool air if set in the mid 60s because that's where its set. I've found Honda AUTO HVAC systems to be reluctant to truly drop down to the coldest available setting when trying to cool the interior.

As dgs mentions, there are other variables that make "cold" a relative description. Using the LO temp setting and manipulating the vents and fan speed should do the trick.

I retract, the steering wheel does telescope, I wasn't pulling hard enough I guess. So there's one thing off the list, thanks for the help!

When my mom got her Civic Hybrid, I thought it didn't telescope either. I had to pull real hard the first time to get it unstuck...but now it works great!

Glad you enjoy your new 08 Accord :)

I'm definitely thin; 5'9" a 147 lbs soaking wet. I


You weigh yourself wet?:lmao::lmao::lmao:

jk

and I'm definitely thin; 5'9" a 147 lbs soaking wet.

I'm barely 143 and 6 '3".

So :p I'm skinnier. :lmao: jk

I'm barely 143 and 6 '3".

So :p I'm skinnier. :lmao: jk

You must look like a skeleton. Are you joking or serious about your weight/height?

anorexic teenager.

Would like to ask talon 95 a couple of questions about your new 08 that I haven't seen anybody address yet. First, I driven the ex-l V6 with the VCM and really didn't have much a chance to take notice of the engine switching back and forth from 6 to 4 or to three cylinders. Have you noticed or better yet, can you feel the difference in the transitions? Anything noticeable? I'm trying to make up my mind whether to go ahead and get the V-6 with VCM or just opt to get the normal operating engine, which by the way, I don't know if anybody is aware that this is available. My second question concerns the wheel / fender gaps. Does it appear that Honda has tightened this up a bit? From my first impressions it didn't seem to be as prominent as it was with the 06-07 (the four wheel drive look) that I so despised. Your thoughts on these subjects would be greatly appreciated.

I'm trying to make up my mind whether to go ahead and get the V-6 with VCM or just opt to get the normal operating engine, which by the way, I don't know if anybody is aware that this is available.

Not on the Sedan.

You either get a VCM Accord Sedan.

or a Non VCM Coupe is 6mt only. AT's have VCM.

You must look like a skeleton. Are you joking or serious about your weight/height?

I'm not even 20 yet. So I'm young.

And no, I don't look like a skeleton. My BMI is just above normal for my age.

Hello all. This will be my first post.

I've been in the market for a new car since early summer and the new Accord is one reason why I've waited so long. All I have ever owned is Japanese cars and don't regret it. In the past six months, I've test driven MANY cars and today I finally got my hands on a 08 Accord. If you all don't mind, I'll go back and tell you my thoughts on all the others.

I decided that this time I will consider European and American. Here is a list of cars I have owned (new only).

90 Honda Civic (first brand new car)
95 Nissan Maxima (still have it)
02 Toyota Tacoma (still have it)

Okay, first car I considered was an 07 VW Jetta GLI. This car was a great driver and very comfortable. It had a lot of cool little touches that no other manufacture addreses. Can't remember what they were but very small touches. I was quickly drawn away from VW when I learned about reliability issues this company still has. The cars basically perform great for about the first three years but then start to turn south. Got cold feet since I tend to keep my vehicles more than three years.

Second car Toyota Avalon. Again, this was a very nice car for the money. Huge interior, but it really felt like a boat. The long looks from the outside reminded me of the first gen Intrepids. Crappy Nav system was a big negative.

Toyota Camry. Really nice car but didn't like the dash. People complain that at night you cannot independently turn down the HVAC/Radio lighting. Too bright. I drove both the 4 and 6 and this car begged for the 6. The 4 was noticeably underpowered.

Lincoln MKZ. Very nice car. The stereo and NAV system drew me to this car since it was voted best out there. That was really the only outstanding points of this car besides the neat cooled seats. Wife didn't like the high dash and retro interior. I didn't mind it too much. Had good power. Exterior kinda bland.

08 Ford Taurus. Never in my wildest dreams did I ever think I'd find myself considering a Taurus. Redesigned for this year and not bad. It's the old Five Hundred with a much needed refreashning. You sit much higher in this car and almost SUV like. Very comfortable and has just as much interior space as Avalon. Big car but a little underpowered despite getting a little more HP this year. The fake wood is ugly and not sure why so many manufactures think everyone likes fake wood. Overall the best car if you need a big interior! Very bland on the outside. This car will definately not turn heads.

I took a long break from my test drives while I rethought what style of car my family should get. Last month we starting thinking of the smaller SUVs like Outlander, Edge, CR-V and Rogue.

Today we made our first trip to Honda to test the new Accord and CRV. The CRV was very nice. This would actually fit our needs much better but since I will be the primary driver of this vehicle, it just doesn't suit my style in the looks department. The seating reminds me of a minivan and ergonomic. Power isn't too bad and only noticeable on hills.

Now to the Accord. I only test drove a 4 and it was a EX-L Navi. I think I finally found my soon to be new car!!!:naughty: Seats were best I've sat in and only the Jetta GLI came close to matching. Unlike the Camry 4, I could actually live with this 4 cylinder. The wife sat in the back and felt very comfortable. She didn't feel quit the same in the Camry. We both thought the NAV system was great, although the salesman had no clue on how to operate it. I've noticed some people still think the outside is so-so. I really like the exterior on this car more than any other in it's class. Like some Auto magazines say, this does resemble a BMW from the side view. About the only dislikes in my short time with the car. Trunk is a little on the small side for a sedan that is classified as large now. No split folding rear seat is a little negative. No HID/Xenon headlight option is another negative.

I think this Accord excels at the fact that it give you a nice large interior but still drives like a small sports sedan. My favorite has to be the seats. By far the best out there in it's class. The steering wheel has a nice feel also with good grip just like the VW Jetta GLI and GTI.

I'm still going to try out the Nissan Rogue but have heard dealers very unwilling to deal on these new arrivals also. Again the Rogue style would fit our needs more and a fully loaded one will cost much less than loaded Accord, but that Accord is an awesome car! Not sure if I want to try the Altima but just might for giggles.

Sorry for the winded post buy thought it might give some more insight to others looking at the Accord and other cars. It's always helped me reading as much as I can from other people that have driven the cars I'm considering and reading all these posts from new Accord owners has really helped me make my decision. Hopefully I'll be in a new Accord EX-L Navi soon. :thmsup:

I'd never heard of the rogue until you mentioned it. Looked it up on the nissan site, not a half bad lookin' suv. It also has a lot more interior space than the accord and it is cheaper but doesn't appear to have a lot of the features availible on the accord such as power adjustable seats, rear side airbags, heated seats etc none of which are necessary so they may be of little importance. It does have those 60/40 split seats you were looking for though and that extra interior space may be a serious plus. Thanks for the input, nice to see another objective opinion and let us know what you decide to purchase.

Actually, the Rogue does have all those you mentioned except the rear side impact. It does have curtain in the rear I believe. The interior is a little on the bland side and nav is not an option. It can be equipped with bluetooth tough and the SL can be equipped with HID lights. These are just now appearing at dealers, so they may command MSRP through December maybe.

After driving an Accord today and seeing the NAV in action, I really can see a use for it. The wife especially wants it since her sense of direction is really bad.:paranoid: As much as one of those small SUV can meet our needs more than a sedan, I just can't get over the driving experience I had with the Accord. I'm really scared to drive a 6 cyl! :naughty:

BTW, I didn't see one of those green met Accords like yours, but from your small Avatar, it looks awesome. Without seeing the green met, the wife and I are drawn to the silver met. Leather will be a def but worried if black (which I like) might be too hot in summer. Light color interior does show scuffs really easy too.:dunno:

Great report on your test drives. Thanks! Since I didn't bother to drive anything but a Prius and an Accord, it makes me feel better, almost as if I'd tested all those competitors myself. I'm getting an 08 exl manual with navi.

I guess you can say I'm the total opposite to impulse buyer. Except for my first new car buy, I've always taken a good six months to read and talk to as many different owners as possible. The internet is wonderful these days.:notworthy

After having my '95 Nissan Maxima with a man trans, I don't think I'll ever want to go back down that road again. I often drive into Los Angeles to visit family and traffic is hell on your clutch leg with a man tranny.

With a man tranny you do get better control over the motor, but these days, I'm pretty lazy and the Auto trannys are pretty nice now.

ski: in Louisville KY traffic isn't usually that bad.

But it's interesting that you, like so many others, have given up on having a manual. It seems like slowly but surely manuals are heading toward exctinction. But I still want to keep the faith.

Benefits for me of manual are: costs $800 less to begin with; weighs 100 lbs less; less complicated and generally more reliable; 1 more mpg (used to be 3-4, but as you say these days autos are better and there's only tiny difference now); slightly better acceleration (again the gap has narrowed, but there's still a slight edge here); and finally, and most importantly, I feel more connected to the car and the whole driving experience; hey, potentially it's a theft-deterence too, because most thieves can't drive a stick either!

Still, even with all those reasons, it's understandable why some people give up on them. I'm 42 now, and it's true that shifting takes a certain amount of concentration and skill. As I was putting in the special order for the Accord, I wondered if I'd bother to do that for my next car....Or at least I could imagine being in my mid-50s and saying, forget it. The other car we considered, the Prius, only comes with an auto....

Another reason to have a stick--then the tachometer actually means something and is useful. With an auto it doesn't seem to me like there's much of a point to having one.

ok, on ac (get a j-vin, better ac by far... :yes: ) but to avoid going there again, here's another tip i learned while trying to figure out how to keep our rear facing daughter cooler. (which btw, now rear airducts help cool that area unless they are on the ceiliing. ody's rule in that department!)

anywho, take your middle two vents on the front dash and aim them upwards all the way possible. turn the air flow to the upper vent setting. this works VERY well to cool the backseat area, even for a rearfacing kid in a child safety seat! i picked up this tidbit on some carseat safety forums and we've used it alot since. it seems to force the air to circulate alot better. (the vents on the back of center consoles don't do squat for a rear facing child seat.... it's one of the things that steers us away from being interested in an mdx, rdx, crv, or pilot and steers us right towards an ody....)

Actually, the Rogue does have all those you mentioned except the rear side impact. It does have curtain in the rear I believe. The interior is a little on the bland side and nav is not an option. It can be equipped with bluetooth tough and the SL can be equipped with HID lights. These are just now appearing at dealers, so they may command MSRP through December maybe.

I just didn't see those on the webiste. Good to know it has them though.



BTW, I didn't see one of those green met Accords like yours, but from your small Avatar, it looks awesome. Without seeing the green met, the wife and I are drawn to the silver met. Leather will be a def but worried if black (which I like) might be too hot in summer. Light color interior does show scuffs really easy too.:dunno:

Thanks! The dealer who sold me mine said it seemed to be a favorite of the colors they had on the lot. All I know is my eye was immediately drawn to the green and none of the other colors looked as nice to me in comparison. But color is really a preference thing, there were no colors that really looked bad to me either EXCEPT for the interior tan. I actually like the tan but hate the plood (plastic wood). I was also worried about the black interior until I test drove the car. Let me start by saying I live in FL and can't think of too many places that are hotter and the car had been sitting out in the middle of a hot dealer's lot all day before I drove it. Even with the black interior, the car wasn't that hot and got really cool fast. The AC really works well so don't let the black discourage you, until you at least give it a test drive. I attached a couple more pics of the car so you can see the green. It's called mystic green btw.

ski: in Louisville KY traffic isn't usually that bad.

But it's interesting that you, like so many others, have given up on having a manual. It seems like slowly but surely manuals are heading toward exctinction. But I still want to keep the faith.

Benefits for me of manual are: costs $800 less to begin with; weighs 100 lbs less; less complicated and generally more reliable; 1 more mpg (used to be 3-4, but as you say these days autos are better and there's only tiny difference now); slightly better acceleration (again the gap has narrowed, but there's still a slight edge here); and finally, and most importantly, I feel more connected to the car and the whole driving experience; hey, potentially it's a theft-deterence too, because most thieves can't drive a stick either!

Still, even with all those reasons, it's understandable why some people give up on them. I'm 42 now, and it's true that shifting takes a certain amount of concentration and skill. As I was putting in the special order for the Accord, I wondered if I'd bother to do that for my next car....Or at least I could imagine being in my mid-50s and saying, forget it. The other car we considered, the Prius, only comes with an auto....
About that $800 difference, in a few years your car will be worth much more than $800 less. Dealers really don't want used stick shift cars in the lot. They don't sell.

Auto transmissions get better mileage now because the computer controls can optimize shift points for fuel use and emissions. One of the reasons that you see fewer stick shifts being offered is the emissions problems they present.

About that $800 difference, in a few years your car will be worth much more than $800 less. Dealers really don't want used stick shift cars in the lot. They don't sell.

Auto transmissions get better mileage now because the computer controls can optimize shift points for fuel use and emissions. One of the reasons that you see fewer stick shifts being offered is the emissions problems they present.

But there's nothing like a good manual tranny in a sports car IMO.:thmsup: I know we have been contemplating an sl 55 mb for a while now and have pretty much decided to wait it out until mercedes gives the sl a much needed facelift, anyways...one of the major drawbacks to me was NO MANUAL TRANSMISSION availible on such a pricey sports car. The auto tranny seems more than adequate but I still found it suprising, seems that the days of the manual transmission are numbered.:dunno:

About that $800 difference, in a few years your car will be worth much more than $800 less. Dealers really don't want used stick shift cars in the lot. They don't sell.

Auto transmissions get better mileage now because the computer controls can optimize shift points for fuel use and emissions. One of the reasons that you see fewer stick shifts being offered is the emissions problems they present.


using my old coupe as an example, the difference in trade in value is currently $525. you lost a minimal percentage extra(approximately .2% over 4 years) in value. pretty negligable if you ask me.

2004 accord coupe ex-36000 miles, good condition,kbb trade in values
manual-$13,130
automatic-$13,655


you have to buy the "right" trim and body style and car in order for that manual tranmission to not hurt you on trade in, but it can be done. i.e. a coupe will fare better with a stick than a sedan. a civic sedan or tsx (a sedan geared towards a younger or sportier market) will fare better than an accord sedan. an lx accord sedan will fare better than an ex leather sedan. and so on..... it is along the same lines of thought that the lx trim contains most of the gadgets that the general public wants and therefore holds it's value better than an ex with leather. when you reach the "leather" crowd, you're starting to loose people. people would rather upgrade to a entry lux or lux car at that level and even then, you're still loosing out on the fit for the general population.

when it comes to sticks, buy a car that will be easily marketed to a highschool or college kid in 5 to 10 years. that will be the trim level for a car with a stick that won't loose it's value as drastically.

or get a sports car..... (it's a disgrace when a sports car is offered in an automatic!)

(it's a disgrace when a sports car is offered in an automatic!)

I think it's more of a big deal when a sports car isn't offered with a manual transmission that if it is offered with an automatic.

Automatic A/C's that make really cold air don't require fiddling with the temperature setting ever. If your personal comfort temperature is 72, for instance, when you start the car, it will go to recirc, unblended air, high fan speed, and blow all air thru dash vents, and blow the coldest air it can make at the hardest fan speed it can blow, untill the car has reached the setting of 72degrees, at which time it may come off high fan, recirc unblended, all air thru the dash outlets, or any combination of those depending on the flash programming of the HVAC system by the automaker. The colder the air the system can make, the sooner the thermostat will be satisfied for that to happen. A properly sized system will not run at full max like that all day, or need to be set at Low, or Blue, or 66 to reach 72 degrees. It will do that only for a "reasonable" amount of time. The time will vary because of the system capacity/design, the outside ambient conditions and how long the car has been baking. The colder the air, the shorter the time.

For instance when you build a house an A/C engineer will decide if the house "needs" a 4 ton unit, and thats what he installs, or he deems that a 3.5 ton unit will suffice for most all conditions, and if it doesn't on some days, the contractor can set the fan to run at a higher speed in the air handler in the attic to help take up the slack if the home owner complains. If not, he's saved a few bucks.

(This is only an example for the layman... there are times when "rounding off" to the smaller tonnage unit will cool dryer and more comfortably even though the unit has to run longer to do so.) In a car, the manufacturer takes into account, where the cars are being sold, and the total cooling demand on a/c for all users, in all climates and coming up with 1 a/c system for all the cars of that model it produces. The goal is to save money wherever it is practicable, or the car will price itself out of its intended audience. The unit in the 7th gen, as in my Benz will do the job, but some other cars do it better without adjusting the temperature setting all summer long, and will fall to a lower, more quiet fan speed, and out of recirc mode sooner than the units currently installed in those cars of mine. (And yes, they have been checked out for proper operation.) Some car models simply make colder air by design whether intentionally or by accident.

Very well put Barry45RPM! There is still confusion out there on what exactly Auto A/C is and how it works. Great explanation. Thanks.

MAN I LOVE YOUR CAR! :banana:

ski: in Louisville KY traffic isn't usually that bad.

But it's interesting that you, like so many others, have given up on having a manual. It seems like slowly but surely manuals are heading toward exctinction. But I still want to keep the faith.

Still, even with all those reasons, it's understandable why some people give up on them. I'm 42 now, and it's true that shifting takes a certain amount of concentration and skill. As I was putting in the special order for the Accord, I wondered if I'd bother to do that for my next car....Or at least I could imagine being in my mid-50s and saying, forget it. The other car we considered, the Prius, only comes with an auto....

I'm 57 and stilldrive the 6 speed. Don't give in!!!:lmao:
Makes me feel 26!!!:banana:

Leather will be a def but worried if black (which I like) might be too hot in summer. Light color interior does show scuffs really easy too.:dunno:

I have a black on black EX-L and it doesn't get hot at all, it actually stays VERY moderate. I guess it's because of my tint/ its legal. :dunno: