The 08's are stacking up like fireplace wood around here. Ive never seen a new Honda not sell like this one is not selling. My dealer has been discounting since they hit the lot. And the other dealers are in a quite panic mode.

Something is not right.......

My dealers is selling them before they even hit the lots. Maybe just you area? It's DEFINITELY NOT the car. These Accords are selling VERY rapid according to some secret Honda info site i'm registered with. :D

My dealers is selling them before they even hit the lots. Maybe just you area? It's DEFINITELY NOT the car. These Accords are selling VERY rapid according to some secret Honda info site i'm registered with. :D

It may well be a area thing. And thats not to say they are not selling. But you didn't see new Civic's, CRV's, Pilots, Ridgelines, or Oddy's stack up here for 6 months after a new gen launch.

Its kind of spooky....

maybe everyone else is mad about the interior design too??? :dunno:

These Accords are selling VERY rapid according to some secret Honda info site i'm registered with. :D

And where exactly do you find this secret crap? Why don't you show and tell?

I've only seen ONE 8th gen since launch...the car is a dud to the public (notice I didn't say I don't like it...)

We'll see how the Accord is really selling, sales numbers for its first full month of sales should be coming out by Friday on hondanews.com and vtec.net, next week at the latest. If that's your secret source your cover is blown :lmao:

i have seen more on the transport trailers than i have seen people driving them....

total so far: about 4

i saw 1 on the road when i went to post office last week, and 1 coupe driving around at school today looking for a parking spot. thats it :dunno:

Same here... I've only seen one Accord sedan on the streets so far. No coupes yet.

From what my dealer told me, they're selling okay but the 7th Gen's are still selling better.

Finally saw a black G37 on the streets today too. Now that's a nice looking car. *drool*

This can't be good....

I want to see the super secret numbers also. I don't like the car. Thats not a issue or really a concern. What concerns me is,,, there on the lots and not the streets. This didn't happen with the new Camry in this area. I really want to see this car be a knock out punch for Honda. Really do!!! But Im seeing failure.

Im stunned to tell you the truth. One of the Tulsa dealers had a radio promo this weekend. No Honda or Yota dealer around here has ever done that. The American big three are the ones that have the big TV and Radio promos. NOT Honda or Yota. The Promo was on KMOD the home of Roy D. Mercer. That didn't come cheap.

If Benji has only seen one around a major west coast metro area. That can't be good at all. I too have only seen one on the road in the last week. And Ive been all over eastern Oklahoma and western Arkansas.

Something isn't right.....

And where exactly do you find this secret crap? Why don't you show and tell?

I've only seen ONE 8th gen since launch...the car is a dud to the public (notice I didn't say I don't like it...)

We'll see how the Accord is really selling, sales numbers for its first full month of sales should be coming out by Friday on hondanews.com and vtec.net, next week at the latest. If that's your secret source your cover is blown :lmao:

You got 1 of 4. :thmsup:

Economics reasons?

Unless it's because of the dealer mark-up? I know the sedans are shipping VERY rapidly. Maybe causing them to pile up??

i saw 1 on the road when i went to post office last week, and 1 coupe driving around at school today looking for a parking spot. thats it :dunno:

Only two in Orange County, Ca. That isn't right at all. Thats a ubber Honda hot spot.

Hummmm

Same scenario here in Orlando. The local dealerships are packed with 08 sedans on the lots, but I've only seen a very few on the road so far. In fact, I'd say no more than three that I can recall...

:dunno:

You got 1 of 4. :thmsup:

Still waiting to see your secret sources, along with more pics of your grey EX-L 4cyl 8th gen that you supposedly got one day before they were allowed to be sold, Accord! =]

Oh dear...I was thinking out loud again...sorry bout that, carry on.

i wanna know this "top-secret info" as well....

hell, i should know before most people on here. i do have secret clearance in the military btw... :deal: :yes:

The Honda Accord has been the most popular car on Long Island(NY) for some years now and I've only seen 3 08 Accords on the roads, two coupes and a sedan. Both coupes looked AMAZING in polished metalic and black. My wife told me they made my 98 coupe look dull. Ouch, she used to complement my car and rave about it when we met and she had a civic.

Unless it's because of the dealer mark-up? I know the sedans are shipping VERY rapidly. Maybe causing them to pile up??

My dealer is discounting them. And there on the lot. The Tulsa dealers are known for there thug tactics. But a lot of the idiots in Tulsa have shown they like there wallet to be beat on. And it hasn't stopped them in the past from being ripped off. They where bending folks over on Civics for 6 months.

Stock at my small town respectable Honda dealer.
http://www.bartlesvillehonda.com/AccordSedan.htm
http://www.bartlesvillehonda.com/AccordCoupe.htm

They always have fewer coupes than sedans.

I have only seen one coupe, and two sedans on the road here in DFW. maybe they are all hiding from me.

if they are hiding from you, they are hiding from all of us..... :paranoid:

It may well be a area thing. And thats not to say they are not selling. But you didn't see new Civic's, CRV's, Pilots, Ridgelines, or Oddy's stack up here for 6 months after a new gen launch.

Its kind of spooky....

We didn't see new Civic's, CRV's, Pilots, Ridgelines, or Oddy's stack up because they were not shipped in large numbers. Honda slowly began to produce all those models thus causing there to be a great demand. (less # produced more demand) People were also complaining tht the Civic wasn't selling well until one month when it shot up to 40,000 cars sold. The reason was that they were holding Civic numbers back in order to produce more CR-Vs. The 8th Accord was shipped in large numbers and very fast, thus dealers have many. Besides most people now in days don't go into the show room and buy MSRP, they are waiting for invoice prices. (at least that's what i'm doing) The Accord is anything but a flop, i've already seen 8 on the road. Give it 2 more months and you'll see loads. :thmsup:

Unless it's because of the dealer mark-up? I know the sedans are shipping VERY rapidly. Maybe causing them to pile up??

You know...really...all of the way in LA...sure...I believe that....Accord!=]

We know who you are and you are spreading more of those lies that we banned you for already...

I haven't seen one on the road yet. My dealer still has 7th gens on the lot. The Camry Hybrid sells a lot more than this "improved" Accord.

We will wait for the numbers. I believe you will see a decrease. As well, I stand by waiting. If there are less/no rattles...the 8th gen will be a HUGE improvement....if there are rattles...I stick with my downgrade comment earlier.

Accord!=]....next time you want to hit the post button...think..."is this stupid" if it is...don't post it and save us the time.:thumbsdow

Economics reasons?

Nope. I keep seeing new Camry's on the road practically every day.

We didn't see new Civic's, CRV's, Pilots, Ridgelines, or Oddy's stack up because they were not shipped in large numbers. Honda slowly began to produce all those models thus causing there to be a great demand. (less # produced more demand) People were also complaining tht the Civic wasn't selling well until one month when it shot up to 40,000 cars sold. The reason was that they were holding Civic numbers back in order to produce more CR-Vs. The 8th Accord was shipped in large numbers and very fast, thus dealers have many. Besides most people now in days don't go into the show room and buy MSRP, they are waiting for invoice prices. (at least that's what i'm doing) The Accord is anything but a flop, i've already seen 8 on the road. Give it 2 more months and you'll see loads. :thmsup:

I hope your right.

But here you saw Civic and CRV on the road in numbers very fast! Now the Si was a diff. story. As will be the 6MT Coupe.

The Accord and Civic are bread and butter cars for Honda. They are the cash cow's and back bone for the whole company. If Accord slides out of favor. Honda has a big problem on there hands. The Honda Jet may loose its funding. j/k :),,, sort of. :)

I just expected to see far more of them on the road at this point. And its a shock to see them piling up at the dealers. And Im not the only one that is seeing it. And I refuse to believe that all or most Accord buyers have all turned into invoice or under customers all at once on the 8th gen release.

One thing Ive noticed. Is there seems to be a flood of new Avalons on the road with paper tags. I wonder if the new Accord might have knocked its self out of a class it defined. And will literally have to go up against Avalon the 300's and other boat class cars. There it wins the bang for the buck contest hands down. But could it take sometime for this to happen?

Very Strange

Funny, I was roundly attacked when I called out "HondaPOD" as being Accord=] reincarnated. Then he showed some dumb piece of torn notebook paper "proving" he was not "Accord=]". Riiiiiiiight. That was after his first day of posting around 95 times. I is vindicated. I call 'em as I see 'em.
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I have seen one dark grey Accord in the little town where I live (ironically, it had a New York plate... probably a snowbird). It looked dull... Camry-like... blocky front, side, and rear. Nothing shouted 5 Series at all. It had lost every wedgy, swoopy, sporty line of my 2003 and up. And the headlight bulges are stupid:screwy:. The rear is super plain.

I have seen a few driving I-4 to Orlando and Tampa, but I have seen over a dozen 2008 Highlanders (which sorta surprises me).

One last point... I wouldn't use sales for October as a gauge... a lot of 2007's are in that number for sure. November on will be the true test. If the numbers are less than expected, I will say it's because of a few things:

1. The size will turn off people who are used to smaller-footprint Hondas. Think Honda Avalon... with a four cylinder (as standard and 90% of sales, no less).
2. I think the first commercials were weak. I have noticed down here in Florida the commercials are reverting back to an Accord up close, with the voice-over stating all the things that make an Accord so special... just like the Gen7 commercials before it. Maybe just having the car "driving" in front of green screen images wasn't enough to build excitement (duh!).
3. The upright, thick chrome formal, almost truck-like grille and front clip along with too many surface "enhancements" around the car may not appeal to more youthful import buyers.
4. As soon as the low lease deals are let loose, sales should spike up... but that will mean much less profit.

Should be interesting!:)

I live in an area with about 5 large Honda Dealers in Ohio, I am no more than an hour away from the Marysville plant where they make the cars and also the engine plant is near there in Anna Ohio or somewhere nearby.

The 08's are really stacking up here, I have only witnessed two on the road so far. Anyone have any recommendations on getting some money off on a coupe?

Anyway, I have only seen that new Toyota about 10 times and it launched in March of 2006...and my first time seeing it was like two months ago. Lol...I think i'm living under a rock. I used to be so into cars...but I live at college and don't hardly have to drive anywhere so i'm not on the road much at all...

I've seen at least a dozen sedans on the road in the RTP area - but no coupes. A few times I thought the sedans were BMW 5's and had to do a double take but there was an "H" on the back and the light assembly was flipped (red on top, clear on btm.)

The realtor I met with last week had a Polished Metal sedan I parked next to. When we walked outside she saw my 06 sitting next to her 08 and she started yakking away about how she was a long time Camry driver and loved her new Accord. She couldn't go on enough about it. There's also a white EX-L that I park near in the ramp downtown for work.

At first glance it didn't look like the sedans were selling but they are. The lots around here always have 2 or 3 rows of sedans lined up. But every Sunday when I do my weekly drive by :naughty: there's always a new mix of colors and trim levels. The Mystic Greens disappeared right away as did the Basque Reds. There were a couple of 5-speed sedans that I receved a call on to test drive but they were gone w/in 48 hours . . . I couldn't even get to them fast enough. At first there seemed to be nothing except EX-Ls and EXs but then the last 2 weekends a flood of LX and LX-Ps are on the lots now. There are more NAVI equipped models trickling in now, too. My PA dealer said they're moving pretty quickly up there also.

Anyone that's just flying by the lots and making a casual glance probably isn't getting a good read on how the inventory is moving.

And the coupes . . . oye - it's like trying to catch a glance at Sasquatch. :paranoid: Blink and they're gone.

If there are less/no rattles...the 8th gen will be a HUGE improvement....if there are rattles...I stick with my downgrade comment earlier.


No rattles yet =)

but only 164 miles on the clock :D

No rattles yet =)

but only 164 miles on the clock :D

Hey...that's still good news. My rattles in the TL started earlier than that!

Hope it stays that way:thmsup:

I've only seen three of them in the St. Louis area so far. And I drive a lot. I don't know about the St. Louis dealerships, but I drive by a Honda dealer on I-64 when I go back to Illinois, and they've got the same two coupes I looked at three weeks ago.

when i got my used 7th gen a week ago, i saw the coupe in the lot. it was already sold, was just waiting in the shipping area.

i wanna know this "top-secret info" as well....

hell, i should know before most people on here. i do have secret clearance in the military btw... :deal: :yes:

Maybe it's above your pay grade?:dunno::lmao:

To be fair, the economy does seem to be going into a slump right now. I recently read an opinion piece in Fortune Magazine speculating that Americans are beginning to realize that they don't have the spending power that they once had. The housing market is going down nationwide for the first time in a long time, too.

Everyone is on a Camry kick right now. Give it time and they'll turn around. A lot of people buy a car because of the way it looks, and let's face it, the Accord isn't much to look at this time around unless you get a higher trim level.

How far apart do you guys live, you could get a side gig transporting cars from the low selling area to the high selling area, then leave your vouch in the front window.

I just got a automated message call from my dealer saying that they are letting go of ALL 2008's in stock for 0.01 over invoice

The 08's are stacking up like fireplace wood around here. Ive never seen a new Honda not sell like this one is not selling. My dealer has been discounting since they hit the lot. And the other dealers are in a quite panic mode.

Something is not right.......

Dealers here on Long Island are selling them at FULL STICKER. No discounts, no dickering, no deals on Financing... and they are selling briskly. I bet many dealers took advantage of deals on the 7th gen & stocked up to blow those out at reduced prices... To some people, New is New, and Model Year isn't important... and after all, to some, the last year of production of a model is the best, with all the flaws fixed.

Not that this is a huge Accord area but I am surprised that I've not seen a single '08 at all. I may have to go to the dealer (about 25 miles from here) to see what they look like.

EDIT: Just for the heck of it I checked the inventory of the two closest Honda dealers online. Neither one is showing any '08 Accords in stock.

Here's an 08 exl v6 for over $2k off sticker...

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/MAGNIFICENT-08-ACCORD-EXL-V6-INVENTORY-SALE-SAVE-NOW_W0QQitemZ260176516863QQihZ016QQcategoryZ6254QQ ssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Here in Columbia, SC, I've seen only one on the roads, a Basque (?) red V6. One dealer is selling at full MSRP, and the other is $200 less than MSRP.

i think the problem isn't that they are not out there. it's that they blend in with everything else that is out there. on the road they are much harder to spot than previous gens where when they were released. if you look close enough at that car one lane over and 5 cars up, you'll realize it is a new accord.

i've seen about 5 total. how many did i not notice? who knows. the 5 i saw i had to do double takes at to figure out if it was really an accord and not something else.

not only that, but i seem to remember the recent new models released where "mia" for awhile, then suddenly, bam, there were a ton on the road.

and as someone else mentioned, consumers are feeling a bit down right now. that combined with the large number of people facing foreclosures on their homes and i bet buying a new car is the farthest thing from their minds-not to mention some may not be able to secure a lease or loan to buy one with the state their credit is now in.

another thing is alot of stingy dealers are "hiding" the 08's in an attempt to move the remaining 07's from the lot first. alot of people don't realize there is a newer accord out as a result.

i hardly call it a failure by any means though. i've always had trouble finding the new models out on the road for atleast the first 2 or 3 months after they're released and with this one blending in so much more, it may take even longer.

Funny, I was roundly attacked when I called out "HondaPOD" as being Accord=] reincarnated. Then he showed some dumb piece of torn notebook paper "proving" he was not "Accord=]". Riiiiiiiight. That was after his first day of posting around 95 times. I is vindicated. I call 'em as I see 'em.

I remember being one of the first to ask HondaPOD about his prior alias (Accord=]) in his first thread. I was still skeptical about seeing that piece of notebook paper too. Now that thread has mysteriously disappeared................hmmmmm...............co incidence? I doubt it.


On a side note, I haven't seen too many 8 gens. selling here in Ohio, where the 7 gen. Accord seems to be king. I've only seen three on the roads since they started hitting the lots, but there is no shortage at the dealers.

My parking lot at work, which has NO shortage of 7th gen Accords and new Camrys, AND which also boasts a new BMW M6 convertible AND a new Jaguar XK convertible STILL has no 8th gen Accord, sedan or coupe. To this day the only 8th gen I've seen off the dealer lot was a V6 EX-L sedan in a visitor's spot last week... :paranoid:

i have only seen one on the road and this was two weeks ago!

i have only seen one on the road and this was two weeks ago!

I been seeing quite a few...
So far i counted 7. :thmsup:

I've yet to see a single 08 Accord in the Sacramento or San Francisco areas.

For the record though, I didn't see very many 07 Camrys on the road until six months after the launch.

Same exact scenario here in the Philly area. I have seen only TWO sedans on the road since it launched. All of the '08s sitting on my local dealer's lot are the same ones since day one, and they have reduced the prices dramatically.

Sadly, I'm not surprised at all. While I won't say this model is a dud, as I feel that is being very harsh and not true, but I will say that this model is clearly not as successful for obvious reasons: I don't think it appeals to as wide of a market, and the competition these days is fierce.

I've seen one sedan in the city of Las Vegas and it was a tourist from California. (CA temp sticker). This is the city where you'll see just about any car, 2 ferraris the other day, a royce, bentley... blah blah. quite a few altima coupes already. i even saw a test run for reporters of some euro audi supercar on the freeway.

I honestly hope its a sign of things to come for the accord. I want a new one from my 04, but this is a disappointment. I hope sales tank like the 7th gen Civic Si. and honda is forced to design a knock out accord within 2 years. :thmsup:

This thread seems somewhat silly...

Honda never advertises much, especially for this new model it seems like. I've seen two Accord commercials. Both with the side view of the sedan and coupe the whole way through. Not the best way to get people to recognize your product. Next thing, people are still buying 07's. When the 03 came out I remember there being a ton less 02's than there are 07's now.

Times are harder for most people, thus fewer cars being sold as a whole IMO. Most of these 'judgments and opinions' of the 08 Accord's popularity on here are very much tied in with everyone's personal views on the car. I don't know how anyone could honestly know that the same Accords have been sitting on their dealers lot for XX amount of time unless they're checking Vin's or something. They all look alike :lmao: !:dunno: Maybe it's just me?

As far as Camry's selling faster than Accords... no wonder. The Camry has been able to gain more attention to it seeing as it's been out for quite some time.

Give it time is what I'm trying to say I guess... I don't remember seeing tons of any gen Accord the first month or so that they came out. X-Mas time car shoppers will bring more traffic through dealerships.

I hope sales tank like the 7th gen Civic Si. and honda is forced to design a knock out accord within 2 years. :thmsup:

Hm. Well if knock out to you means a smaller, sportier Accord (which most reviews seem think this one drives better...) I'd think you're SOL. The Accord is what it is. If you're lookin' for sportiness and luxury maybe it's time for an Acura sedan.

As for the Civic Si...

Sales haven't been great?

I've yet to ever see one on a dealer's lot. They're not supposed to sell like their other Civic brothers and sisters. It's a limited production vehicle.

I ment to be speaking in reference to design flaws not performance.
The civic si was overhauled. The new accord has great ideas, but its flawed design wise as well.

More importantly any hit to accords sales has consequences to honda. they'll be even faster at fixing it then the civic si's.

the car has been for sale for less than two months, you can't expect to see that many, if any on your average day yet.

most people I think, including myself, drive the same basic drive every day for the most part. so.... doing the same drive at the same time every day would require multiple people doing the same, crossing your path, to have bought a car that's only been available for less than two months.

also..... my area, city of just over 200K people, plus maybe 50K people from various surrounding communities..... one dealer in town. say they have sold three '08's per day since they came out, roughly 6 weeks I think. that's 180 cars in my immediate area plus a handful that were purchased outside of the area because they could get a better price... so 200 '08 accords maybe. sound reasonable? I think so. so..... that is a tiny tiny tiny percentage of cars on the road in an average day. am I probably going to see more than maybe one on my average day? no, I don't think so.

compare 7th gen. for sale for 5 years at say 3 sold per day, six day per week sales days..... that's over 4600 cars in theory. yeah, a handful crashed, etc. but at that point, of course there's going to be multiples in every parking lot you see anywhere and everywhere.

see my point? theoretically at least? before anyone claims the new car isn't selling acceptably well, wait for honda to announce some kind of sales numbers for the quarter or first sales year.

but its flawed design wise as well.

That's an opinion! Your opinion!:lmao:

Not everyone thinks it's flawed design wise. Hardly anyone liked most of the exterior of the 7th gen when it debuted from what I've read on this forum. Seems they sing a different tune now...:yes:

*snip* I've seen two Accord commercials. Both with the side view of the sedan and coupe the whole way through. Not the best way to get people to recognize your product. *snip*

I have seen more new Accord comercials than I can count on all toes and fingers.

Let it be noted that I could really give a flying Sh*t how many Accords are sold - That will not change until the day I get compensated for unit sales of Accord

I have seen more new Accord comercials than I can count on all toes and fingers.

Let it be noted that I could really give a flying Sh*t how many Accords are sold - That will not change until the day I get compensated for unit sales of Accord

I'm talking about two different ones...not times played.

What other ones are there?:dunno:

I haven't seen ANY on the roads at all. I haven't made an effort to go by a dealership to see if they have any on their lots.

I'm talking about two different ones...not times played.

What other ones are there?:dunno:


Gotcha

I've seen two on the road, and they do look a lot better than I would have thought ... kind of like a luxury car:thmsup: . The dealership close to me is still well stocked with 7th gen and I know that they are discounting these pretty heavily to make room. Maybe they are making deals that people can't refuse on the 7th gen :dunno: . I remember from my days of working at a dealership that when new models come out the dealerships are pressured pretty hard to get rid of the old stock first.

So far I have only seen 2 2008 Accord Sedans. And one coupe: MINE!

I think there are a lot of 07's on the lots everywhere. The economy stinks, thus the lowering of the Fed Rate again today.

I live in Westchester County, which is primarily an affluent area (north of NYC). I have at least eight to ten sedans on the road, however no coupes as of yet. Larger and more luxurious, the 8th Gen Accord is perfectly positioned to capture former SUV/truck owners as gas prices continue to rise over the next five years. With terrific reviews, Honda can take this one to the bank.

and after all, to some, the last year of production of a model is the best, with all the flaws fixed.

Yep, this is exactly how I feel about my car. Not only is it the last year of the 7th gens, but my car was built in June, so I imagine it's also one of the last few built. I'm hoping that my car will be completely trouble free for as long as I own it considering Honda had five years to perfect it.

Also, I don't understand, the 8th gen JUST came out. How the hell can anyone determine the success of a car in two months? I don't get it, do you people expect to see them everywhere already? Not everyone has to buy a new car the minute it comes out. I'm sure a lot of people are being patient and waiting until there will be good deals on the 08. I can't believe the people who rushed and bought an 08 the minute it hit the lots. What was the hurry? It seems like most of them on this message board anyway were trading in fairly new 7th gens so it's not like anyone was driving a beater about to die. Just impulsive purchase. You people will be kicking yourself in a year when the patient buyers are getting them at invoice.

Also, I don't understand, the 8th gen JUST came out. How the hell can anyone determine the success of a car in two months? I don't get it, do you people expect to see them everywhere already?

Yes, I kind of expected to see them everywhere. Within a month of launch, I saw more Camry's than I bothered to count. The fact that I have only seen 1 8th gen on the road and it's coming up on 2 months since its introduction...that's bad. The point is, other cars sold much more briskly than this car is.

And if you read the thread, people are already getting them at invoice. Or less.

I guess that it doesn't help that Honda's advertising is absolute crap...

I mean, some goofy "hold on tight to your dreams" song? Apparently, that's what Honda's bread and butter is worth to them.

This is the ad which Toyota used to announce the current gen camry about a year ago:

Toyota Camry Ad (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X9GPyFM6lT0)

This is a pretty nice ad; Honda had more than a year to learn from this.

It seems like most of them on this message board anyway were trading in fairly new 7th gens so it's not like anyone was driving a beater about to die. Just impulsive purchase. You people will be kicking yourself in a year when the patient buyers are getting them at invoice.


Yikes, who is paying more than 200-300$ over invoice (at the most) ???

I guess folks who don't shop around, get multiple quotes (I love seeing sales managers work something out to top a competing stealership) or have many local honda dealers within their respective areas might be paying way over invoice... but that still seems silly, this is still a honda and not a 40k+ G37 Infiniti coupe

Yes, I kind of expected to see them everywhere. Within a month of launch, I saw more Camry's than I bothered to count. The fact that I have only seen 1 8th gen on the road and it's coming up on 2 months since its introduction...that's bad. The point is, other cars sold much more briskly than this car is.

And if you read the thread, people are already getting them at invoice. Or less.

this must depend on where you live. the camry's seemed to be kinda slow to show up around here too. and that was when people were still more "up" about the economy even...... it took quite a few months before i saw camry's all over the place.

The economy may be playing a part in this. As the housing issue's on the natinal level. But here its not a issue. The economy is booming. More folks in the tulsa metro than ever. The daily traffic load has almost dubbled in three years. While the press will go on and on about the housing slump. its a-holes and elbows here. And there is a ton of oil money still in Tulsa. along with high tech, and avation. And other's. I can't think of the last time there was a lay-off or plant shut down. I don't think I could get myself fired from my job. Short of not coming in for a month or so. :)

And it sure isn't lack of advert's on Honda's or the Dealers part. Atleast here anyway. The wife and I have looked at each other with those looks only couples have when watching TV and seeing not only the number of Honda advert's. But the sheer numbers of Honda Dealer advert. efforts. Its stunning. And there not clearance promo's. Its the new 08's! The two largest champains here right now are the Accord and Civic Hybrid. And they are working for the HCHII.

I took a diff. way into work today. Hoping to see one in a diff. traffic pattern. No go. Didn't see a one. No new paper tagged 7th or 8th gens. I did see several new Civic's and CRV's. Also saw new Camry, Avalon and Corolla. There also seems to be a surg on the Ford sedans. And the Mazda6 has seem to take off. Trucks are also still selling very well here. Okies will not give up there trucks without a fight. :)

I look forward to seeing the sales numbers.

people are forgetting one major issue here.

september/october are among the slowest sales months for dealerships. it's around may that sales pick up. i learned in my marketing class that car sales skyrocket around summer time.. so from about may to early september you'll probably begin see plenty of accords around.

I emailed my sales lady at honda this morning asking.... how many aprox. they've sold and if they're selling as well, or not as well as expected.

she replied.....

About 30, they're selling great!
People seem to be very happy with them.

to me that doesn't sound like many, but...... she's usually pretty darn straight with me......

I just saw my first '08 today that wasn't on a billboard or on a lot. It was a black sedan with a v6.

i saw the sedan the other day, thought it looked like a hyndai (perhaps the sonata, i forget the model). the sedan is ugly to me, the coupe is bearable.

I have only seen one so far -- sedan, in black, v6 - looked nice -- I would have expected to see more because my daily commute is over 100 miles.

Holy Toledo, come to Atlanta! I just got back from 2 large dealers and they had rows and rows and rows of the new 2008 Accord. I have never seen a new model so abundant in my life! A few weeks ago it was sticker all the way. Now its a few hundred over invoice. Glad I did not jump at sticker!

I saw another today. It was the green with a decklid. :thmsup:

Yikes, who is paying more than 200-300$ over invoice (at the most) ???



Well I would imagine a lot of people did. I think if I remember reading some of the first posts by people who bought the 08, they said there was no haggling and they paid sticker. I imagine when the 6-speed coupes start showing up dealerships will be charging sticker plus a "market adjustment." Seriously unless it's a rare exotic I don't believe in paying MSRP for any car on the market, I don't care what it is.

I'm surprised to see from this thread that dealerships are letting 08's go for invoice. Usually with a new model it takes a year for the frenzy to die down before dealerships are willing to negotiate that low. I remember when the new Mustangs came out in 05, people were paying $5,000 over MSRP to get a 5-speed GT (a hard model to get at that time). Now, you can get any model Mustang for invoice or less. If you're the type of person who has to be the first on your block to own some new technology you're generally asking for an ass raping. But congrats to anyone who is getting an 08 Accord for invoice, that's a good deal on such a new model.

those people are "early adpoters," at least coined by marketers.. they are the ones wasting all their money.

There's a reason people describe this sort of situation as "bleeding edge"... You bleed money and (possibly) time on unforseen problems.

This is a slow time for car sales and the outlook is it is not going to get much better with the economy limping along, consumer spending slowing, oil at $90+ per barrel and the foreclosure rates skyrocketing.

I read an article the other day stating the there is over $915 billion in US credit card debt:
http://money.cnn.com/2007/10/29/magazines/fortune/consumer_debt.fortune/index.htm?postversion=2007103013

What is going to happen when consumers get tapped out?

Can't be all bad news for the new Accord. From the press release today:

Honda Division posted record October sales of 101,913, up 3.4 percent compared to last year. October records for individual models included the Odyssey with sales of 14,451, up 24.4 percent, and the Fit, with sales of 4,868, up 67.3 percent for the month. Sales of the Accord increased 25.8 percent to 30,936. Sales of the Civic increased 7.3 percent to 23,809. Honda Division total car sales increased 19.8 percent to 59,921

more here:

http://corporate.honda.com/press/article.aspx?id=4332

Burd

Thank You

Lets see if the number carrys thru past the 07's

those people are "early adpoters," at least coined by marketers.. they are the ones wasting all their money.

those folks should look into leasing...

my idea with my 08 coupe is that I will have this car paid off in 4 years or less (I'm doing pre-payments and doubling up as much as my budget/gf/dog will allow) by that time , the 09' TL's will have been out for a couple of years and very gently used (10k-20k mile ones) will be around to be had or I'll just go brand new on a 6MT Type-S

If there are kinks in the TL at intro, hopefully they get worked out or noted ...but hopefully it follows up to the current TL gen and pleases most

I went with the Honda because, for me...it's very affordable in my current living situation (also low cost of living in Indianapolis does not hurt one bit), yes I could have gotten a steal on a 07' coupe ... but I was pricing stuff in the 37-38k range right before I went to check out the Honda coupes twd's the first couple of weeks in October.

I find 7th gen's catching my eye, but that's because I respect a well put together car and they are cool looking to me as well. The 08' coupe look is what reeled me in , so why settle when I have the income to supplement what I truly wanted from Honda. (well aside from a NSX haha)

So yeah, I got hosed for going with the cutting edge in terms of features for the price, but all in all...im very happy, have become an instant honda fan and promoter and it also has a fresh new look that folks just keep lookin' over at it(for now lol) and it's everything I could want in a daily driver to allow my benz to be a project car. I'm at a transitional point in my life...almost 26 years old, shopping for my first house and I figure, this will get me by just fine until 30 hits and I can go all out in a mini almost to mid life crisis.

The smile on my face when I walk out to my car port in the morning and see the coupe sitting on stock 18's, you just can't put a price on :D

Economics reasons?

YES that the MAIN reason. Everything is slow as carp here. NO one is buying weather its cars, motorcycles or a home. I guess people are saving their money for Christmas! and the ones that are BUYING are lookign for DEALS!
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This is a slow time for car sales and the outlook is it is not going to get much better with the economy limping along, consumer spending slowing, oil at $90+ per barrel and the foreclosure rates skyrocketing.

I read an article the other day stating the there is over $915 billion in US credit card debt:
http://money.cnn.com/2007/10/29/magazines/fortune/consumer_debt.fortune/index.htm?postversion=2007103013

What is going to happen when consumers get tapped out?

Yep, lots of foreclosures to come. Too many people who bought more house than they could afford with ARM's during the housing boom are now getting hit hard. I blame the Mortgage Lenders partly for approving anyone with a pulse. The same people who buy more house than they can afford are also the same types of people who run their credit card to the limit. Shop till you drop! American consumerism is something else. Well it's coming back to bite all of the idiots out there who don't know how to say "no." I really wouldn't be surprised if this housing/credit bust puts us back into another recession. I subscribe to just about every business journal around, and they've been predicting a recession to hit by year end for quite some time. The conditions are ripe for that to happen. Save your pennies people, it's going to be rough for some time.

I have no credit card debt at all and I like it that way. If I can't pay for it on the spot with cash, I don't get it. The only debt to my name is my new car, and if I really wanted to I could pay the note off tomorrow out of my retirement account (and still have plenty left over). But cash is king, and I would rather be cash rich and credit poor then the other way around. The $400 a month payment doesn't really impact me at all, and when the car is paid off I'll keep it for as long as it still drives and will enjoy many years of no car payment.

But I digress, it's still way, way too early to judge what kind of success the 8th gen is going to be. Just because you see a lot of dealership lots, and haven't seen many around doesn't mean it's going to be a failure at all. I would say after a year or so, if they are still piled up on dealership lots and you hardly see any, well that could indicate a problem.

I may be wrong but in looking at the link it states the current sales for the month. It does NOT state what MY's make up that number. If my observations are true, this number could (and probably is) inflated over the previous MY due to deep discounts on the 07MY's.

Edit: What is more telling is how many have been made...I can get that

I may be wrong but in looking at the link it states the current sales for the month. It does NOT state what MY's make up that number. If my observations are true, this number could (and probably is) inflated over the previous MY due to deep discounts on the 07MY's.

Edit: What is more telling is how many have been made...I can get that

To add confusion, it's my belief that those "sales numbers" are based solely on how many Accords went from a factory storage lot to a dealer lot, and that's all. I don't imagine Honda has any way to track how many Accords have been sold/titled. Thus I think those are all 08's in the sales numbers, but it's not the actual number of Accords sold, at least not based on the definition that most of us use. How many are made is kind of irrelevant, they could just stack em up in the factory lots.

To add confusion, it's my belief that those "sales numbers" are based solely on how many Accords went from a factory storage lot to a dealer lot, and that's all. I don't imagine Honda has any way to track how many Accords have been sold/titled. Thus I think those are all 08's in the sales numbers, but it's not the actual number of Accords sold, at least not based on the definition that most of us use. How many are made is kind of irrelevant, they could just stack em up in the factory lots.

You know what, you may be right. I have to look in my next deck of monthly OEM production & sales data to check on that. It should be coming out soon - I'll check tomorrow.

To add confusion, it's my belief that those "sales numbers" are based solely on how many Accords went from a factory storage lot to a dealer lot, and that's all. I don't imagine Honda has any way to track how many Accords have been sold/titled. Thus I think those are all 08's in the sales numbers, but it's not the actual number of Accords sold, at least not based on the definition that most of us use. How many are made is kind of irrelevant, they could just stack em up in the factory lots.

Usually the factories don't report their own numbers, a company called Comstock usually provides all the data the media reports. I am not sure what their exact science is, like if they are using "net sales" (gross sales - returns). :dunno:

i got one. black on black ex.

i needed to replace my old 93 accord since it failed emissions and needed tons of work and didnt have the cash on hand to fix it all.

i got tired of constant repairs on a 14 yr old car and got a new one. oh well. im an early adopter so be it. i like it.

i got tired of constant repairs on a 14 yr old car and got a new one. oh well. im an early adopter so be it. i like it.

i fell your pian bro.... had to retire mine as well recently due to same issues with too many repairs on an old car.... :(

how many miles when retired?

what a coincidence...I saw a white gen8 Accord sedan on my way to work this morning...the pictures of member's cars actually look great on this site, but the car in person didn't look all that interesting...kinda bland...at first, I thought it was a Ford or some American car...

Well folks the sales numbers are in for October – looks like the 2008MY accord was the #1 selling vehicle in the US with 25,507 U.S. built Accords and 5,429 Import Accords sold (30,936 total as previously posted)– right above the Camry (30,217). See below screen pastes

As stated the methodology of this figure is in question meaning: Is it what is shipped from Honda to dealers OR what has actually been sold.

Another key piece of data will be the Days on Hand inventory supply. Once this data is released I will post it (See last screen paste for Sept Inventory)

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c197/jdp0845/15best.jpg

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c197/jdp0845/ByPlatform2.jpg

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c197/jdp0845/InvenSept.jpg

i fell your pian bro.... had to retire mine as well recently due to same issues with too many repairs on an old car.... :(

how many miles when retired?

it has 156,604 miles on it.

I live in Westchester County, which is primarily an affluent area (north of NYC). I have at least eight to ten sedans on the road, however no coupes as of yet. Larger and more luxurious, the 8th Gen Accord is perfectly positioned to capture former SUV/truck owners as gas prices continue to rise over the next five years. With terrific reviews, Honda can take this one to the bank.
You got that exactly right. What a lot of people posting here don't seem to grasp is that in marketing terms, the 7th gen Accord was not a success. It lost market share, and particularly share against the Camry. It was a car that missed its target. Losing market share is not an acceptable outcome in a market that is generally growing.

The 8th gen Accord will gain market share, precisely because it does not appeal to those who like "sleek and swoopy", or a diminutive appearance. Those are not assets to the broad based sedan market today. Toyota's stunning success with the Camry and Avalon has proven that.

I do agree with those that have observed that Honda's TV commercials have been weak. They need to emphasize improved product assets, more room, more comfort, more safety, better fuel economy, better handling, that the previous Accords. Those are the features that will bring SUV buyers back, and attract the attention of those who always knew Accords were good cars, but just "not quite big enough for my family".

People buy Accords for logical reasons. It is a car that has almost universal respect, and nobody ever wonders why you would buy one. Pastoral reflections in glass buildings do not play to Accord's reputation.

it has 156,604 miles on it.

she died too young..... :(

mine lasted 340k...... :hug:

MotorCity....

I believe those numbers are, as Benji said, based on the number of Accord's Honda shipped to dealers and not actual number of Accords sold by the dealers themselves. The reason I believe this is because here in So. Cal. I've only seen 1 8th Gen. Accord sedan on the streets (no coupes yet) while I keep seeing new Camry's and even new 7th Gen. Accords here and there.

It's the same with computers too. Manufacturers like Apple, HP, et al..... base the number of PCs sold on the number that's shipped to retailers and not the actual number sold to customers.

MotorCity....

I believe those numbers are, as Benji said, based on the number of Accord's Honda shipped to dealers and not actual number of Accords sold by the dealers themselves. The reason I believe this is because here in So. Cal. I've only seen 1 8th Gen. Accord sedan on the streets (no coupes yet) while I keep seeing new Camry's and even new 7th Gen. Accords here and there.

The sales figures are actual sales, unless you're Chrysler. :) You probably haven't seen that many because there were ~60k 8th gen Accords sold throughout the entire United States, and those 60k Accords are the only ones on the road. October is usually a slow selling month, yet Honda is still on pace to sell upper 300k-low 400k.

I remember not seeing the new CRV at all when they first came out, now I see them everywhere.

I remember not seeing the new CRV at all when they first came out, now I see them everywhere.

Yeah... Same case here. I think another reason they aren't selling that much [i think they are] is because it's a new model and most people wait for the 09 or until all the kinks are worked out.

Honda sales rose 31.4 %, led by 31.4% gain in sales of the new Honda Accord.
http://www.detroitnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071102/AUTO01/711020397/1148

Economy is thrown to the wind here. Don't want to here about folks that made bad job, investment or bought the wrong house or kissed the wrong end of a loan officers ass.

I took a drive in my company truck today thru the gut of Tulsa and saw two new Bently's a Maybach Sedan and Coupe. All with in two miles. The new jags and Italy iron was there also. Tulsa isn't hurting. But I didn't see one 8th gen Accord.

The Bents were way,,, ok cool. Then the Bachs showed face.

And to think I was honda watching. :)

The numbers are not right for this market.

MotorCity....

I believe those numbers are, as Benji said, based on the number of Accord's Honda shipped to dealers and not actual number of Accords sold by the dealers themselves. The reason I believe this is because here in So. Cal. I've only seen 1 8th Gen. Accord sedan on the streets (no coupes yet) while I keep seeing new Camry's and even new 7th Gen. Accords here and there.



Interesting. Toyota's news site reports non-hybird Camry sales are off 4.1% (though they sold 3,511 hybrid Camrys, a 20% increase). The Wall St. Journal is reporting Camry sales down by .2% (maybe the net of both non- and hybrid models).

Toyota Reports October Sales (http://www.toyota.com/about/news/corporate/2007/11/01-1-sales.html)

The only coupe I have seen was in the show room of a dealer. I saw 2 sedans, one i4 and one v6 over the past week or so in two different cities (Montreal and Ottawa). Both driven by gentlemen who were obviously in their late 50's early 60's.

Cost is the main factor here in Canada. The civic and mazda 3 are selling like hot cakes.

People with families and in their 40's, fixed incomes etc etc have a hard time justifying this expense. Considering that in the same car class there are much cheaper ones and a lower class car seems to get the job done for them (i.e. drop off the kids to school, go to the supermarket and visit aunt Barbara on the weekend - lol).

However I'll bet you my EGR valve (lol) that if I had asked the 2 gentlemen I saw driving the new Accords, what car did you drive before? Chances are would both have answered: an Accord.

I saw two EX V6 Sedans on the drive up to CO. First time I've seen them on the road.

The sales figures are actual sales, unless you're Chrysler.

And what are you using to back this up?

I saw an LX-P last night, took a quick glance on the dealer lot as I passed by and saw nothing there :dunno:

Don't forget... dealers are not going to buy more cars than they can sell. So if all those units were shipped from the factory to the dealers, and the dealer lots aren't jammed with the same '08 inventory, then they're truely sold through. Dealers will never let their lots fill to overcapacity. (They BUY these cars and the finance charges begin to accrue the day after they hit the dealers lot.)

Also, remember that Honda started building lower priced less equipped Accords first so that they would be more widely affordable (knowing that dealers will always try to get sticker for brand new models for as long as they can get away with it.)...and yes, retail in general was slow in October.

I will find out if the data is once the vehicle is scanned as it passes into the "ship lot" at the OE or if it is final customer sales - If I were in the sales area I'd know this:D

looking at the sales data (that I provided) as well as the days on hand data for this current year, a year ago (11/06) and last month should tell a lot - Once the days on hand data for Oct comes out I'll share it

Don't forget... dealers are not going to buy more cars than they can sell. So if all those units were shipped from the factory to the dealers, and the dealer lots aren't jammed with the same '08 inventory, then they're truely sold through. Dealers will never let their lots fill to overcapacity. (They BUY these cars and the finance charges

Also, remember that Honda started building lower priced less equipped Accords first so that they would be more widely affordable (knowing that dealers will always try to get sticker for brand new models for as long as they can get away with it.)...and yes, retail in general was slow in October.

Dealers don't "buy" cars...Honda just allocates cars to them based on what they've sold in the past. What the dealers do with the cars is their business...if they'd rather keep them around for months and insist on MSRP, Honda can't do anything about that.

Honda did not start building lower priced models first. When I went to see them when they first came out, every single car on the lot had leather. Only recently did LX and LX-P models start to trickle in.

Dealers DO buy cars and pay "Floor Plan" interest on them starting the day after they arrive in inventory. Allocations are the maximum amount of cars the dealership can buy of a given model from the Manufacturer based on such things as how many they sold of that model in the past, how they do in customer satisfaction surveys, how many other slower selling car models thay have sold "sell 5 of these and we'll allocate you another one of these fast sellers". Dealers call this "Turn and Earn".

That is why a dealer will be motivated to sell you a car thats been sitting on his lot for 3 months, at a lower cost, and BS you that he has searched and there arent any of what you really want in the immediate area... or theres a 10 week wait, or whatever story he feels will not let you walk, yet buy the car he has on hand. He does that because that stale car has already cost him more money due to the interest he has already paid on the financing to buy it. They call THAT "Sell what you can see, don't see what you can sell. The longer a unit stays on his lot, the more it has cost him. If he stays at sticker too long his number of units fall, and Honda will cut his allocation to give the units to higher volume Dealerships who can sell all the product Honda will "allocate" to them.

Dealerships are called "Stores" by all who work in them because they are independent businessmen who own the Store and buy product, then turn around an sell it. Nobody "gives them" anything. Honda doesn't build and ship to any Dealership without getting paid for the car. The reason for "Holdback" by the way, is Honda's way of making sure they get paid for parts and other monthly money they're owed by the dealer. The dealer only gets his Holdback if he's in good standing (current) with Honda. Otherwise that money goes toward his debt to them. Its a Bonus the Dealership gets for doing what Honda says they have to do.

Part of the way Manufacturers control their Federal "CAFE" ratings is by making Dealers sell more fuel efficient Model small cars w/ 4 cyl engines by Allocating more of them than the bigger cars & trucks/SUVs with 6 cyl engines. So if a Dealership location has a large demand for thirstier vehicles he is forced to sell more of the more fuel efficient cars Honda makes and Allocates in big numbers to them to buy. In order to be able to BUY the thirstier cars, they have to sell more of the economical cars. By selling more of the economical cars, the dealer's Allocation of thirsty cars will be increased. Thats what "Allocation" is all about. Honda Allocates what the dealers are allowed to buy from them for many reasons.

allocations are minnimums also. Honda will automatically provide dealers with an initial lot of cars that they expect them to be able to sell and that they want the dealers to have available for sale.

yes, dealers buy the cars, and most finance their stock of new cars. but most of the supply at any given dealer is dictated by the manufacturer to some degree.

Ok so lets say a dealer loses money on a car thats been sitting around forever. Then tell me why dealers, instead of moving 7th gens right now, some of them are just keeping them and not budging much on price? Ask someone who was shopping for one not long ago, jermy4. According to him, the SAME 7th gens have been sitting on all his local dealers lots for months and months, and they're still not willing to budge much on price. If cars cost you THAT MUCH money to keep on the lot, would you want to keep old stock thats depreciating every day for that long?

A few questions for the owners and testdrivers of the 08 coupe:

im in the market right now for one, but have been waiting due to the extraordinary 1k markup over mspr over here in the Los Angeles/Orange County area.

1.) what numbers have you been quoted when you purchased, or spoke to the dealer about purchasing

2.) how much longer should i wait to get a more reasonable cost (i'd rather get an EX than an LX for the buck, if you know what i mean)

3.) what's the handling like on the coupe? I need to go testdrive myself, but I hate going to the stealership, so im savin that pleasant experience for when i really want to buy it. i LOVE LOVE LOVE the steering on the TSX, its so sporty and accelerates like a V6, when its just a 4 banger, so that's awesome. too bad the TSX is outta my budget.

As for the rest of this thread, i've only seen a few new 08 sedans on the road, saw many at the dealership when passing by, but have seen NO coupes. i wish the butt looked better on the coupe, but they say it looks better in person, and i hope to get used to it.

thoughts and opinions are MUCH welcome.

Ok so lets say a dealer loses money on a car thats been sitting around forever. Then tell me why dealers, instead of moving 7th gens right now, some of them are just keeping them and not budging much on price? Ask someone who was shopping for one not long ago, jermy4. According to him, the SAME 7th gens have been sitting on all his local dealers lots for months and months, and they're still not willing to budge much on price. If cars cost you THAT MUCH money to keep on the lot, would you want to keep old stock thats depreciating every day for that long?

a mystery I don't understand either, because I don't work in the sales or management departments. but I know two things.

one, when I got my current accord, the sales manager said he could give me a little better price on this car than that car because he wanted it gone, because it already cost them interest sitting there I believe he said for 41 days.

two, my building's sales manager insists on high dollar cars that are ordered in that the buyers pick them up by some given date in the month so he doesn't have to pay interest on that car just because the buyer didn't come to take delivery of it. one example I remember specifically of this was the Carrerra GT that we ordered for a guy. he was in Hawaii at the time the car came in, and he was told he did not have to pick the car up, but did have to pay for it so we didn't pay interest and on one $400K car for even one month.

take that for what it's worth, which may be nothing.

A few questions for the owners and testdrivers of the 08 coupe:

im in the market right now for one, but have been waiting due to the extraordinary 1k markup over mspr over here in the Los Angeles/Orange County area.

1.) what numbers have you been quoted when you purchased, or spoke to the dealer about purchasing

2.) how much longer should i wait to get a more reasonable cost (i'd rather get an EX than an LX for the buck, if you know what i mean)

3.) what's the handling like on the coupe? I need to go testdrive myself, but I hate going to the stealership, so im savin that pleasant experience for when i really want to buy it. i LOVE LOVE LOVE the steering on the TSX, its so sporty and accelerates like a V6, when its just a 4 banger, so that's awesome. too bad the TSX is outta my budget.

As for the rest of this thread, i've only seen a few new 08 sedans on the road, saw many at the dealership when passing by, but have seen NO coupes. i wish the butt looked better on the coupe, but they say it looks better in person, and i hope to get used to it.

thoughts and opinions are MUCH welcome.

opinion on your point number 3, is silliness. the tsx does not have the accelerative feel of the accord V6, not even close. I don't know the actual acceleration numbers, but the butt dyno says the tsx doesn't cut it in that realm.

no offense, just giving that opinion. :lmao:

Ok so lets say a dealer loses money on a car thats been sitting around forever. Then tell me why dealers, instead of moving 7th gens right now, some of them are just keeping them and not budging much on price? Ask someone who was shopping for one not long ago, jermy4. According to him, the SAME 7th gens have been sitting on all his local dealers lots for months and months, and they're still not willing to budge much on price. If cars cost you THAT MUCH money to keep on the lot, would you want to keep old stock thats depreciating every day for that long?

No merchant WANTS to keep stale merchandise on hand. Maybe the equipment in the car isn't close enough to what they buyer is looking for, or the color is wrong or his salesmen arent finding the right psycological "hook" for that particular shopper on that particular car. (Maybe the few '07s he still has on the lot as equipped are still in high demand in that market, and he can afford to hold out.)

I've seen a 2 year old Brand New E-55 on a Mercedes dealers lot. It was October '03, I wanted an '04 E-500, he had some leftover new body style '03s on the lot (The body style changed in 2003) and one leftover old body brand new '02 E-55 in the lot. I wanted exactly what I wanted... even though it was an E-55, it was the old body style, a great car at a very competitive price, and I passed. I didn't want the old 2 year old body style car even though an E-55 is like a race car. They're still not gonna give the car away. The right customer will eventually come into the store for that car. Maybe they ordered too many of them, maybe they forgot to order a particular option on that car that everyone wanted.... who knows?

I can only tell you how the Car Business works, you can take what you want from it. Or not.

Ben makes some good points, the dealerships around here acted like I was stealing from their children's dinner plates when I was looking to get a deal on a leftover 7th gen. One dealer in particular still has probably 20 or 30 of them in stock and they were trying to get $400 under invoice for the one I was looking at when Honda had $2000 in cash on the hood of the car. This was about a week before the 2008s hit the lots. I revisited the local dealerships after they did have quite a few 2008s and they still weren't that interested in discounting the 2007s. This dealership also had 6 or 7 demos that they wanted $1400 under invoice for. Last time I checked they hadn't sold a single one.

I ended up buying my 7th gen for exactly $2000 under invoice which is a decent deal but not really that great. I guess my expectations were unrealistic but I really thought the dealers would let go of their holdback or even take a loss to get rid of their 2007 stock. I honesly think that there will be some new 7th gens on the local lots next summer at the rate these dealers are going.

The sales figures are actual sales, unless you're Chrysler. :)
And what are you using to back this up?

I saw an LX-P last night, took a quick glance on the dealer lot as I passed by and saw nothing there :dunno:

A quick google search yielded:

http://carsandtech.blogspot.com/2007/06/chrysler-finally-figures-out-how-to-rid.html
Chrysler's solution to this was to basically allow dealers to buy the leftovers themselves. You see, dealers who held 2006s and used them as loaners or test drivers for as little as one day could be considered used cars, transferred to the used car lot, and counted as a new car sale. So, aside from helping to clear out excess [old] new car inventory, this policy change also bumped up Chrysler's May 2007 sales results.

http://www.businessweek.com/autos/content/jan2007/bw20070104_555558.htm?chan=search

Chrysler's sales performance was made worse by the fact that it actually posted tens of thousands of sales it never made—vehicles it produced, booked as sales, but sent to airport parking lots to sit until dealers ordered them.

Your quotes don't imply that other automakers don't use the same way of counting "sales"...it just says they don't keep 100,000 cars worth of inventory.

opinion on your point number 3, is silliness. the tsx does not have the accelerative feel of the accord V6, not even close. I don't know the actual acceleration numbers, but the butt dyno says the tsx doesn't cut it in that realm.

no offense, just giving that opinion. :lmao:


I wasn't hoping to purchase a V6 coupe anyway, as I stated, I would only plan on purchasing an LX or EX, both of which are 4 bangers. therefore I wanted to compare its engine with the TSX...which is also a 4 banger. I wish I could afford the V6! :thmsup:

O well. I'd prefer to do this than to be thousands in debt, that's scary to me.

I wasn't hoping to purchase a V6 coupe anyway, as I stated, I would only plan on purchasing an LX or EX, both of which are 4 bangers. therefore I wanted to compare its engine with the TSX...which is also a 4 banger. I wish I could afford the V6! :thmsup:

O well. I'd prefer to do this than to be thousands in debt, that's scary to me.

lol. Go for the Accord.

I saw my first Accord sedan on the hwy today in Tulsa. It was a silver EX-L w/Navi, 4 banger. It went whizzing right around me. If I hadn't been getting 42 mpg in my Mazda3 I would have asked them if they wanted to play for a mile or so.

I swear to god. The first thing that came to my sick mind was. I wonder how it would do with a lift kit and a CRV or RL rear wheel drive system?

dont forget some "punch" cars.

Here's the "days on hand" data as promised:

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c197/jdp0845/DOH.jpg