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adrienski

11-01-2007, 07:29 PM

My apologies if this has already been posted. Its been a while....

Have any of you seen the Hyundai Concept Genesis website? 4.6L V8 with 6 speed and 300 HP?!?! Hyundai is becoming a bit aggressive!

http://www.hyundaiconceptgenesis.com/

stiller fan

11-01-2007, 07:32 PM

nice looking car......

but:

1. no guarantee it will sell

2. no guarantee that it will last over the long haul, reliability-wise.

stevencrosbie

11-01-2007, 07:44 PM

stiller fan

11-01-2007, 07:45 PM

steven,

would you trade in your truck for it?

adrienski

11-01-2007, 07:46 PM

Agreed. Sounds like they are gunning for Lexus, BMW and Mercedes.....

stevencrosbie

11-01-2007, 07:50 PM

steven,

would you trade in your truck for it?

NO. I like my truck.

1. I tow a trailer at least once a month
2. My truck has tons of low end torque
3. My truck doesn't rattle/eat tires/break yet
4. My truck has NO road noise
5. My truck rides smoother than my TL ever did.

Therefore, I don't have a desire for another vehicle. I would gave gladly traded the Junk TL in for this Hyundai, but I didn't want a car as the replacement vehicle. My next vehicle will be something small....in addition to my awesome truck

Accordlover

11-01-2007, 07:54 PM

I hate to start the whole copy cat debate again...

but...

I see 8th Gen Accord in the side.
6th Gen Camry in the front.

It looks like the Camry and Accord tried to have a baby and it came out Korean! :lmao:

It will probably be a nice car. I'm too paranoid to switch to Hyundai yet though. My Mom might be my test subject; 08 Sonata Limited :)

flippco

11-01-2007, 08:49 PM

I have to give it to Hyundai, every year they improve. Sure they started in the dumpster but they are starting to make a name for themselves.

Having "America's Best Warranty" would help to sell cars. I wonder if it will work for Chrysler.

stevencrosbie

11-01-2007, 09:07 PM

Keep in mind...the Hyundai was designed before the 8th gen pictures came out!

d1ez3

11-01-2007, 09:21 PM

not bad, then again it kind of looks like it rips off 5 cars at once.

Heckler

11-01-2007, 09:25 PM

1. Most likely won't rattle
2. Most likely will have a better interior noise level and smoothness
3. Will have more low end torque than any Honda
4. Better warranty
5. V8 RWD....

This is a hot car. I rode in an 06 Accord today...wow....I forgot how much road noise is in that car. Test drive it. You will be surprised when it comes out!

You must be joking. Wow. Talk to any hyundai tech...they are serious korean hunks of s**t. I can't believe you would say that. As far as low end torque, it may be better than honda but not as efficient...I remember beating supercharged tiburons at the track in my N/A Spec V with my eyes closed, so much for low end torque.

As far as wind noise, the Accord is rated better than anything Hyundai makes dB wise in everything I have seen. My accord makes no rattles whatsoever and is 3 years old / 27k miles...and I've driven my mothers IS350, SC430, S420...you name it, benz, bmw, lexus...I honestly don't think they are much quieter than my accord. They ARE, but damn...for twice as much money it better be!

I also test drove a 08 tundra. The motor is great, the interior is sub-par and the brand new one I test drove RATTLED, not to mention the body felt like it flexed when you hit bumps. The suspension was unresponsive and unimpressive and it had higher road noise than the accord, for sure.

....I don't understand :dunno::dunno::dunno:

Accordlover

11-01-2007, 09:27 PM

ay curamba...

stiller fan

11-01-2007, 10:26 PM

heckler is living up to his screenname..... :lurk:

Heckler

11-02-2007, 04:40 AM

heckler is living up to his screenname..... :lurk:

Needless to say I CANNOT STAND the support of korean cars. At my shop we refuse to tint Hyundai's now, regardless of age or condition. After having a window fall out of a brand new sonata with 13 miles on it and having to pay for it, I refuse. I had a brand new santa fe wouldn't start after sitting for 40 min, tried to jump it and wouldn't start. Not to mention....the windows...no... *runs and hides*....EEEEEEEEEEEEEK!!!....the windows shift like the biggest POS I have EVER seen! New or old...they are a tinters NIGHTMARE.

The support of hyundai (whether it looks cool/good or not), especially in a HONDA forum; to me, is atrocious. EEEEK!!! :censored::censored::headbash::headbash::rant::ran t:

Don't even get me started on KIA... I could list over 1000 reasons why Hyundai and KIA are terrible. Hyundai offers a great warranty because you'd have to be on PCP to buy one without a good warranty. Your going too need it!!!!

I guess everyone has their opinion, I just never thought I'd see a korean manufacturer supported in a honda forum, I didn't think it was possible. Not to mention Hyundai is rooted and originally based in north korea. Buy a car, fund a nuke. :naughty: :thumbsdow

Ok..ok..okkkkkk

I'm done!! :banana::banana::banana:

:wave::wave:

Accordlover

11-02-2007, 04:52 AM

Hm. Well Heckler, those are some interesting acquisitions against Hyundai.

While I've yet to really spend any time with their new products (Really want to Drive a Sonata sometime soon), I have family that has owned a 2003 Sonata. I drove that car off and on, and I always thought it felt very nice on the road, and it had excellent get up and go for only having 140HP; the shiftronic transmission helped in that department. That was a good car for 40k almost when it was traded for something newer. Only warranty repair was to the A/C. It was completed in one day, and a loaner car was offered. Only recall was to the transmission; also fixed in a day.

If someone gave me a Hyundai I'd drive it. I just don't know if I would spend personal hard-earned (if I had it to spend) money on a Hyundai when myself, and my family have been rather safe with Honda these past 20 something years! It hard to break a tradition. :yes:

The Sonata Limited V6 in Black with dark Tint looks sharp though!

JWesG2

11-02-2007, 06:43 AM

Yeah id agree that the black limiteds look ncie.. Probobly because from the back they look just like an 03-04 accord.

I seriously thought about getting a Hyundai Sonata for a little while..

Wierd.. I havent met a single person that disliked thier hyundai even one bit.

I have a friend with an Azera Limited, power steering wheel etc. and Tinted out.. Love that car actually..

:dunno:

Different stokes for different folks i guess..

RTexasF

11-02-2007, 07:27 AM

Two people I know have owned Hyundais for more than two years and neither has had a single problem. They do normal maintenance and that's it. One recently traded a Korean Santa Fe for an '07 made in the US. So far it has performed perfectly but they said the fit & finish is not quite as good as the previous one.

I rode in it while in Dallas and was quite amazed at how quiet and smooth it was. Impressed I was young Skywalker.

Heckler

11-02-2007, 04:56 PM

Wow, that's quite amazing. Honestly, off the top of my head I can't think of a single customer that owned a Hyundai or a Kia that was satisfied with their purchase. I do a lot of performance parts so I have worked on quite a few Tiburon GT's....I have never had a customer who hasn't had serious problems with their Tiburon. HOWEVER quite a few of them really love their Tiburons.

As far as the Sonata, it's a sub-par knock-off of the Accord. It's not even an adequate replica, it's a decent car but compared in every aspect the accord is far superior.

As far as friend of a friend of a friend stories...my best friends father had an 04 Sonata. Blew head gaskets every few thousand and he didn't drive it hard (he's 80+). I had a customer with a 05 Sonata, the AC compressor would only work when it wanted too, the heater core constantly leaked, the car wouldn't stay aligned, the trunk, sun roof, windows all leaked water. The window switches would randomly go down instead of up and vice versa, sometimes the accessory power would not turn on with the car (no radio, no hvac; etc)...it just randomly did crap. Despite "americas best warranty", the car spent more time at the dealer that he did driving it and he hated the car, they never got everything fixed and when it was fixed it only lasted a few months.

He brought it to my shop a few times to look at things. I drove it on the road, it handled like a 86 Dodge power wagon, the tires felt spongy and under-inflated, the motor was extremely unresponsive (sorta like an I-4 5AT accord, but worse) and the brakes sqeaked at 3500 miles and had to be pushed to the floor the work. The AC worked but wasn't my definition of cold. The windows shift, are slow and make creaks and thuds.

Even the bulbs they come with suck. I can't recall how many Sonata's, Santa Fe's, Azera's, Tiburons I've had in my shop for multiple OEM bulb related issues. Headlights, turn signals, dome lights, tail lights...license plate lights, every bulb they come with seems to be the lowest bidder cheapest bulb.

I'm not saying Hyundai hasn't come a long way. They are far superior to what they were 10 years ago. I just don't understand why anyone would ever consider buying one with the tons, and tons of better options (Ie - Honda, Toyota, Nissan, Subaru, Audi, BMW, Volvo)

RTexasF

11-02-2007, 05:43 PM

pitt

11-02-2007, 05:48 PM

I'm not saying Hyundai hasn't come a long way. They are far superior to what they were 10 years ago. I just don't understand why anyone would ever consider buying one with the tons, and tons of better options (Ie - Honda, Toyota, Nissan, Subaru, Audi, BMW, Volvo)
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

Heckler

11-03-2007, 01:57 AM

FWIW the Tiburon is cited as a problem car by Consumers and others. GM trucks STILL have the bulb problem even today.

I like what they have done and proud that they are learning quickly but I'm not real sure I'd buy one just yet.

Bleh. Don't get me started on GM. When it comes to domestics, I'd pick GM over ford or chrysler/dodge/daimler...but..they still have a very large handful of problems, even in the 07's I have worked on. Not as bad as Hyundai, but pretty bad. Of course they don't brag about the quality of their vehicles or how great their warranty is, or that they have the most sophisticated vehicle plant in the world like Hyundai does. They also don't support communism.

As far as the "$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$" comment, that's exactly my point. You get what you pay for. When it comes to $15k+, would you want to pay $15-20k for a POS, fund a nuclear weapon for the next super-country to blow us away, or would you spend a little more (or even the same amount on a used one) to get a quality product?

I'm sorry I spent a year and a half in iraq deployed, if they made the best cars in the world there and they were FREE, I wouldn't drive, buy, or recommend one even if they paid me. Forget it, and forget korean cars. At least KIA is not N. Korean based...I'm sorry but sticking money in Korea's pockets whether you think its a good car, or not...is hypocritical and stupid and defies everything this country stands for. :headbash:

EDIT: and to stevencrosbie- take fair notice of the Landcruiser and Prius in the backround of my pics of my cars. I've also got a chevy beater and my wife has a ZX2 she is in love with for some reason. (dont ask)

RTexasF

11-03-2007, 07:26 AM

That's the first I've ever heard of supporting communism by purchasing a Hyundai. I'm a veteran and as red white and blue as anyone here but that's a bit over the top.

stevencrosbie

11-03-2007, 08:03 AM

Supporting Communism...right...South Korea....I'm speechless.

Same argument as the "JAP" comment....

My Acura was my last Honda in a while. I'm going to have to see some distinct quality updates before you ever see me back in a Honda showroom.

Accordlover

11-03-2007, 08:14 AM

Heckler...

Just out curiosity where are you working that has you working with brand new 07's and of all these makes? Hyundai, GM etc.

alpha

11-03-2007, 09:21 AM

Heckler...

Just out curiosity where are you working that has you working with brand new 07's and of all these makes? Hyundai, GM etc. He said he works with performance parts and tint, so I would assume a performance shop/tint shop. When I worked as a tinter, I worked with brand new vehicles all day long.

As for the previous "$$$$$$$$$$$$$$" comment, it doesn't really work these days. Hyundai is getting fairly expensive. There are $40k Hyundai's now..

stevel

11-03-2007, 09:30 AM

I do not believe hyundai is making anything worth considering at this time. I worked right next to the hyundai techs for years when they were in my building, this was up until a couple years ago. they were such incredible crap, crazy garbage at that point, I don't believe they can being making anything that lives up to their ingenious advertising campaigns. don't be a tool to the hype that advertising dollars can buy. once crap, mostly likely will continue to be crap, even if less crap like.

I know I will not take my chances.

RTexasF

11-03-2007, 10:27 AM

Supporting Communism...right...South Korea....I'm speechless.

Since GM has controlling interest in Daewoo i guess you're a commie if you buy an Impala now:paranoid::headbash:

What a pantsload!!!!!!! Heckler you have amazed all with your, uh, thoughts?

Heckler

11-03-2007, 09:57 PM

That's the first I've ever heard of supporting communism by purchasing a Hyundai. I'm a veteran and as red white and blue as anyone here but that's a bit over the top.

Not sure what you're trying to say, but...as I previously stated, Hyundai's roots are in NORTH KOREA, not south korea...anyone who has their hands in the pockets of Hyundai is based solely in N. Korea. I just don't feel it's a good idea to support that country whether you are red, white and blue or not. I've seen and heard about quite a few things about N. Korea most of you would never understand because it's not the type of thing they would want the general population of the US knowing about..that's why they have such things as top security clearances in the military. Let's just say..let's not fund N. Korea, and let's not piss them off.

Supporting Communism...right...South Korea....I'm speechless.

Same argument as the "JAP" comment....

My Acura was my last Honda in a while. I'm going to have to see some distinct quality updates before you ever see me back in a Honda showroom.

What are you basing this off of? As far as reviews and ratings, coupled with my own experience, I believe Honda/Acura has improved immensely in the past 5-8 years. I don't know if someone pissed in your corn flakes or if you just decided to drink Toyota's kool-aid...they are great cars but I don't think a comment about never driving a Honda again can be justified. I guess when you support korean cars they are extremely hit and miss pieces of crap it's hard to appreciate a Honda.

Heckler...

Just out curiosity where are you working that has you working with brand new 07's and of all these makes? Hyundai, GM etc.

I own 50% of a shop in GA. Think of say, Unique Autosports but we were around before them, they even stole our logo...we were just never that big and I don't care to cater to clientele like rappers and other "big baller" wanna-be's, I like rich educated people :).... I worked with hundreds and hundreds of cars there. I recently moved to NJ to get a break. I no longer manage the shop, I simply get money deposited in my account for doing nothing :naughty::naughty:

Anywho - point is I needed a break from the 12+ hour days, the rude and irrate customers (people who live in GA are pretty much.....nevermind..)

He said he works with performance parts and tint, so I would assume a performance shop/tint shop. When I worked as a tinter, I worked with brand new vehicles all day long.

As for the previous "$$$$$$$$$$$$$$" comment, it doesn't really work these days. Hyundai is getting fairly expensive. There are $40k Hyundai's now..

True. Like I said you get what you pay for, but these days even though Hyundai has improved a lot, you pay even more for a POS...economy goes up, the price of turds goes up.

I do not believe hyundai is making anything worth considering at this time. I worked right next to the hyundai techs for years when they were in my building, this was up until a couple years ago. they were such incredible crap, crazy garbage at that point, I don't believe they can being making anything that lives up to their ingenious advertising campaigns. don't be a tool to the hype that advertising dollars can buy. once crap, mostly likely will continue to be crap, even if less crap like.

I know I will not take my chances.

Nicely put. +1

Since GM has controlling interest in Daewoo i guess you're a commie if you buy an Impala now

What a pantsload!!!!!!! Heckler you have amazed all with your, uh, thoughts?

I'm not sure what you are trying to insinuate, but buying an impala has absolutely nothing to do with funding communism. Not only does GM OWN Daewoo, not the other way around, but GM is united states based. They have their coals in quite a few fires, yes...but even if Daewoo owned GM, Daewoo is not originally based in N. Korea thus any comments on on communism are null and pointless because my whole point about communism was about N. Korea :dunno:

As far as thoughts, it's experienced opinion backed up by facts. My experience: Hyundai is garbage. Fact: Hyundai was started in N. Korea.

Thus, your buying a POS and funding communism. It's simple. :rant::rant:

Pull the wool off your eyes people!!

EDIT: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daewoo_Magnus Here is a quick history lesson an the current platform Daewoo Magnus V250 that the current bodystyle 06+ Impala's are based off of. Not much similarity actually. The V250 even has a holden motor, which is owned by GM as well, and was designed (visually speaking) by Italdesign who made the Cala (concept) which I am a huge fan of.

http://www.autocult.com.au/img/gallery/TorqueOmata1209.jpg

oooooo...so sexy

Daewoo magnus (in 2006 now known as "Tosca").....EWWWWWWW!!!

http://www.edmunds.com/media/il/news/2005/1202/daewootosca.500.jpg

ok it's not THAT bad. :)

stevencrosbie

11-04-2007, 04:14 AM

Accordlover

11-04-2007, 05:25 AM

What are you basing this off of? As far as reviews and ratings, coupled with my own experience, I believe Honda/Acura has improved immensely in the past 5-8 years. I don't know if someone pissed in your corn flakes or if you just decided to drink Toyota's kool-aid...they are great cars but I don't think a comment about never driving a Honda again can be justified. I guess when you support korean cars they are extremely hit and miss pieces of crap it's hard to appreciate a Honda.

First off, Honda has not gone uphill or improved in overall vehicle reliability or quality in the past 5-8 years. It is in fact the complete opposite if you ask me.

Steven has quite a case there with his TL and his Accord. While my Honda has never left me, or the previous driver (my mother) stranded (very proud to say that!), it has had more things fail on it at low miles than any of the other 3 Accord's we've had come and go.

This ranges from window motors at 23k, door locks replaced over and over again, CV Boots under 60k, driveshaft, brake master cylinder, MAP sensor, more window motors at 89k, ECU reset 3 times in 90k miles, and an internal engine oil leak that almost nobody seems to be able to fix (I take it to Honda), rear main seal leaked at 92k, brake line tore at 88k (closest thing to being stranded so far), hazard light switch failed at 76k miles, Ignition wiring failed at just over 100k... The list goes on a bit longer too.

All that in under 100k miles for the most part.

It's funny because I'm so used to the cars that have problems after 100k miles. This car has problems before 100k miles, and almost none in the 12k after it; hoping to keep it that way.

I've had my days where I wish it would get stolen, or someone would give me a wad of cash and speed away. BUT, it is what it is, and there aren't many cars that could do a whole lot better than that (back in 96 anyways). She's been a good car, and I'm not weary to drive it anywhere. I plan to drive it to California in about a year as a matter of fact, and then to NY state with 2 friends of mine. I'm sure my Accord will get me there and back without issue.

As for the even newer Honda's... my dad's last Honda was an 03 EX i4 Accord. He drove that car almost 70k in one year. It still had original brakes and tires on it (they were on their last leg let me tell ya) when it was traded in for his Volvo in 2004. That car had almost zero issues. Infact, I cannot remember a problem with it at all.

Identical car with a 5spd; My godfathers Accord. Different story.
SRS light issues have added up to $1200. Honda refunded $650 of that.
Stereo went out.
Alternator went out.
Driver Seat height adjustment broke 4 weeks after being purchased.
5spd gearbox has developed an extremely hard shifting issue, and will pop out of gear. At 56k, I hope it's not the clutch....:paranoid:

That amount of problems in a 2003 with 56k miles is outrageous to me. At least Honda took care of a few things I guess.

Not to mention automatic transmission problems re-starting back in 1997 Accords (redesigned tranny) to 2003 Accords (various different models of transmission, all ATs'). Honda has been very good about acknowledging the issues though. Thankfully.

That problem branches out to Odyseey's, Acura TL's, Pilots, MDX's, and Acura RL's.

I'm not sure what the issue is lately. But it's just now starting to show the signs of a turnaround. If the Accord is still a Consumer Reports Best Pick than I can only imagine the issues that V6 Camry that is not on the list anymore must he having!:lmao: My Prayers are with ya Camry!:biggrin:

I think everyone is going downhill in the import world. I'm not going to say it's just this or that company; but it's surely not getting better.

GM and Ford are getting better though. Good for them, because once someone actually buys a GM product over a comparable Honda/Yota product again, then Honda and Toyota will be stepping their game up in an effort to bring people back into their show rooms. We all slack every now and then, these may be cars, which are inanimate objects, but they are designed by real people, who are not in any way, perfect.

Just some food for thought...:dunno:

Heckler

11-04-2007, 06:05 AM

Well, despite any personal experiences or opinions, the reliability ratings on Honda (and yota) have been steadily rising every year. Safety has also improved. I know a guy who is a courier who has a 03 7th gen with 400,000 miles on it. Nothing but oil changes, filters and tranny flush. Runs like a champ. Some others have nothing but problems....

:dunno:

JWesG2

11-05-2007, 05:04 AM

I did have a few problems with my 03 coupe.. But it diddnt turn me away from Honda..

All cars have issues.

Except the Jetta was a little much..

Lets see.. The accord..

both heated seat switches, and foglight switch were all replaced b/c the backlights went out., Full drivers seat assembly was broken, the back wouldnt recline at all, radio was replaced due to failure, srs was fixed, drivers side door card due to premature wear, and premature wear on drivers side leather seat.
-- I diddnt have to pay for any of it, so really what do i care?

The Jetta..
Where do i start...
Failed water pump leaving me stranded in 8º weather and snow, mass air sensor 3x, all ignition coils replaced numerous times, brake light switch, brake light assemblies, numberous bulbs burning out, headlights due to premature fading, air pump, fan blower motor, ecu reset 4x due to cels, rotors with premature warping, SRS problems.
All in all, it was like 4k in warranty repairs while i had it.

LOL, the Altima i had before the accord..
01 Altima GLE,
Bought with 42k, fully loaded with every available factory option, and sold with 73k.. Not one single problem.......EVER...

So.. Now just driving the 1990 integra, almost 242k and only a speedo cable in the last 4k (my whole ownership with it) and then on to a tranny eater 6th gen around christmas!