Hi guys,

I currently drive a 2007 Honda Accord V6 and the stock Michelins are horrible. I have been looking in upgrading to a better stock tire. but I want soemthing that are quieter than the OEMs but handle fairly decent.

Any Suggestions?

Tons and tons. Do a search for "tires" and see what happens.:thmsup:

the Yokohama Avid line is awesome. I doubt i'll get more than 35k out of them, but they're excellent in wet and dry.

For better handling and very low road noise, check out Yokohama's AVID W4S and V4S or Bridgestone's Potenza RE960AS Pole Position.

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DO NOT buy Yokohama Avid V4S tires!!! I have had them on my car for about 23,000 miles and they have gone to crap practically overnight. They have always flat spotted since day one and have become noisy as hell. I called Yokohama and complained. Not much help.:thumbsdow

Stay away from them.

DO NOT buy Yokohama Avid V4S tires!!! I have had them on my car for about 23,000 miles and they have gone to crap practically overnight. They have always flat spotted since day one and have become noisy as hell. I called Yokohama and complained. Not much help.:thumbsdow

Stay away from them.

I'm really surprised to hear this. Hmm. Guess I'll have to keep watching mine. So far so good.

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My suggestion would be this. ANY OTHER TIRE!! Those michelins were the worst tires I've ever had. I upgraded to Bridgestone Pole Positions, which was a great improvement. Hell, I'm sure even studded snowtires would be an improvement in the summer, and in the winter it's not like the mxm4's did any better than summer tires anyway.

My suggestion would be this. ANY OTHER TIRE!! Those michelins were the worst tires I've ever had. I upgraded to Bridgestone Pole Positions, which was a great improvement. Hell, I'm sure even studded snowtires would be an improvement in the summer, and in the winter it's not like the mxm4's did any better than summer tires anyway.


I am interested in the Pole Positions. How many miles have you put on them? Are they quiet? How do they take the bumps? How are they wearing? Do they flat spot? Anything else you can add about them would be appreciated.

I was also thinking of the new Turanza Serenity. What's the word on those?

Thanks.

I don't own either the Pole Position or the Taurenza Serinity tires, however a quick search will show the Pole Position to be performance orienated where the Serinity is more for grand touring, so it should be expected that the Serinity will be softer, quieter, more comfortabe compared to the more "edgy" Pole Position tires.

In Consumer Reports tests of V-rated all season performance tires, the top rated tire was the Michelin Pilot HX MXM4 which is the stock 17" tire on 2007 Accord V6s. A close second was the Yokohama AVID V4s, as long as you're not driving in an area that gets snow (snow traction was rated poor). In comparing the two, the Yoko is rated better for noise (4-very good vice 3 - good for the Michelin). The Yoko was also better for dry braking and hydroplaning, whereas the Michelin was better for rolling resistance and tread life (and snow traction).

Concerning noise, CR's (and other's) main criticism of the 7th generation Accord has been road noise.

In Consumer Reports tests of V-rated all season performance tires, the top rated tire was the Michelin Pilot HX MXM4 which is the stock 17" tire on 2007 Accord V6s. A close second was the Yokohama AVID V4s, as long as you're not driving in an area that gets snow (snow traction was rated poor). In comparing the two, the Yoko is rated better for noise (4-very good vice 3 - good for the Michelin). The Yoko was also better for dry braking and hydroplaning, whereas the Michelin was better for rolling resistance and tread life (and snow traction).

Concerning noise, CR's (and other's) main criticism of the 7th generation Accord has been road noise.

The Yoks I have were not always noisy. The noise began to surface right around the time they hit 20,000 miles. They did flat spot from day one. They wear and handle very well. Snow traction is practically zero.

I also have another set of the Avid V4S on my wife's '03 Suzuki Grand Vitara XL-7. They were installed at the same time. Guess what? They have also become noisy with practically the same mileage. Same tire, different cars...common denominator = Yokohama Avid V4S. I don't believe it has anything to do with the 7th Gen Accord road noise "characteristic".

Needless to say, I will not purchase Yokohama:thumbsdow tires again.

DO NOT buy Yokohama Avid V4S tires!!! I have had them on my car for about 23,000 miles and they have gone to crap practically overnight. They have always flat spotted since day one and have become noisy as hell. I called Yokohama and complained. Not much help.:thumbsdow

Stay away from them.

Totally not true. I have sold several sets of these tires out of my shop and have had happier customers than any other tire. My wifes car has had them for 35k miles and they look and ride new and are still quiet. They are also on my accord and are great.

Please explain how a tire flat spots itself...?

And how a tire wearing down gets noisier? The noisiest a tire will be is when it's new, not after 20k... :lmao:

Please explain how a tire flat spots itself...?

Some soft(er) compound tires have been known to take a "set" when parked even over night or for a few days without being moved, a small flat spot develops which usually goes away after a few miles of driving.

And how a tire wearing down gets noisier? The noisiest a tire will be is when it's new, not after 20k... :lmao:

I would respectfully disagree, tire compound gets harder over time and will more likely resonate louder when in contact with the pavement.

As well I have personally experienced a different kind of noise problem about 5 years ago with a set of Bridgestone Potenza RE750 W-rated ultra high performance summer tires, the first 2 summers were fine, they grip extremely well for street tires, don't hydroplane, expensive but good tires. However, as soon as I put them on for the 3rd summer, all of a sudden they sounded super loud, in fact it sounded like a wheel bearing had gone bad, I had to pull out and use the stock tires and rims that I had put aside earlier until I can get the issue resolved.

What is a bit of mystry to me is why I did not notice that the previous fall when I took these tires/rims off the car to put the winter tires on. :dunno: Maybe I was slowly getting used to it throughout the previous summer.

(BTW, I always store the tires flat on top of each other, not standing up which could cause a temporary flat spot over several months of storage.)

Credits to Bridgestone, they quickly admitted there was a design problem with the tread pattern which somehow allowed the tire noise to amplify itself at certain point of the tire wear, I got pro-rated credits back towards the purchase of another set of re-designed RE750 tires, but I elect to go with the Fuzion tires, which were made by Bridgestone, and much less expensive to the point I ended up getting the Fuzions for free! :banana:

So, tires can and do get louder when they are worn.

[QUOTE=Heckler;182661]Totally not true. I have sold several sets of these tires out of my shop and have had happier customers than any other tire. My wifes car has had them for 35k miles and they look and ride new and are still quiet. They are also on my accord and are great.

Please explain how a tire flat spots itself...?

And how a tire wearing down gets noisier? The noisiest a tire will be is when it's new, not after 20k... :lmao: [QUOTE]

Congrats to you and your customers. I guess I am imagining my symptoms.:nuts:

See Aviograghy's post regarding the flat spots and noise. If you own a car repair shop you shouldn't need an explanation.

Some soft(er) compound tires have been known to take a "set" when parked even over night or for a few days without being moved, a small flat spot develops which usually goes away after a few miles of driving.



I would respectfully disagree, tire compound gets harder over time and will more likely resonate louder when in contact with the pavement.

As well I have personally experienced a different kind of noise problem about 5 years ago with a set of Bridgestone Potenza RE750 W-rated ultra high performance summer tires, the first 2 summers were fine, they grip extremely well for street tires, don't hydroplane, expensive but good tires. However, as soon as I put them on for the 3rd summer, all of a sudden they sounded super loud, in fact it sounded like a wheel bearing had gone bad, I had to pull out and use the stock tires and rims that I had put aside earlier until I can get the issue resolved.

What is a bit of mystry to me is why I did not notice that the previous fall when I took these tires/rims off the car to put the winter tires on. :dunno: Maybe I was slowly getting used to it throughout the previous summer.

(BTW, I always store the tires flat on top of each other, not standing up which could cause a temporary flat spot over several months of storage.)

Credits to Bridgestone, they quickly admitted there was a design problem with the tread pattern which somehow allowed the tire noise to amplify itself at certain point of the tire wear, I got pro-rated credits back towards the purchase of another set of re-designed RE750 tires, but I elect to go with the Fuzion tires, which were made by Bridgestone, and much less expensive to the point I ended up getting the Fuzions for free! :banana:

So, tires can and do get louder when they are worn.


AMEN!!!

I've never owned a car where the tires did not get louder as they wore and got older. That includes bias ply. To put things in perspective I've owned more cars than some folks on this forum have had birthdays.

AMEN!!!


I hate to break it to you, but tire compound DOES NOT get harder over time. As the rubber starts to break down it make stiffen and become brittle, but the actual compound itself in the process of breaking down becomes softer. Either way, it's results on road noise are not enough to make any difference.

I knew exactly what you were talking about on flat spotting, I was just being a smart ass. Yokohama tires don't flat spot from my experience. I've got a few customers in the military, one for example who let his car sit for a year..with V4S's, and they were not flat-spotted. My wifes car sits outside and is only driven once or twice a month, the tires on not flat-spotted. I have never heard of Yok's flat-spotting. I'm not saying it's impossible, just not something thats common.

As far as the road noise, I'm sure yours got louder, but tires don't get harder over time...possibly if the car never moved and the tires just dry-rotted, but a garaged car that is driven every once in a while should have no problems for the life of the tire. 20k is not a point when a tire should get louder, it should be quieter. I am not sure who you quoted bases this off of, but he obviously designs tires for NASA's mars rover. :naughty:

I hate to break it to you, but tire compound DOES NOT get harder over time. As the rubber starts to break down it make stiffen and become brittle, but the actual compound itself in the process of breaking down becomes softer. Either way, it's results on road noise are not enough to make any difference.

I knew exactly what you were talking about on flat spotting, I was just being a smart ass. Yokohama tires don't flat spot from my experience. I've got a few customers in the military, one for example who let his car sit for a year..with V4S's, and they were not flat-spotted. My wifes car sits outside and is only driven once or twice a month, the tires on not flat-spotted. I have never heard of Yok's flat-spotting. I'm not saying it's impossible, just not something thats common.

As far as the road noise, I'm sure yours got louder, but tires don't get harder over time...possibly if the car never moved and the tires just dry-rotted, but a garaged car that is driven every once in a while should have no problems for the life of the tire. 20k is not a point when a tire should get louder, it should be quieter. I am not sure who you quoted bases this off of, but he obviously designs tires for NASA's mars rover. :naughty:

See Bridgestone news release (http://www.bridgestone.co.jp/english/news/001127.html)

Admittedly this was an old news release, but it goes to show that Bridgestone Tire Company recognizes that rubber compond DOES harden over time, and has developed technical approach to address this issue.

Has this problem been solved completely across the tire industry? I suspect not, just look at any set of tires over a few years old, they have that harder and shinny textures on the tread surface when you try to sink your finger nail into them when compared to a new set of tires, a tell-tell sign of the rubber compound hardening/deteriorate over time.

Tires can harden over time, as well as dry rot. That depends on too many factors, including the Brand and type of tire.

Most low-profile tires will flat-spot, especially those with nylon belts. It's the nature of the beast (a fact of life.) This is especially true in colder climates. A little annoying at times, but within a mile or so of driving they even out again, so not too big of a deal really.

I've had three sets of Yokohamas flat-spot on me, as well as a set of Bridgestone and BF Goodrich do it. Those were all AT truck/SUV tires and were not low-profile. I'd buy that set of Yoko ATs again in a heartbeat.

The Yokohama ES100s my old boss put on his M3 flap-spotted, as did the Dunlops he had on there before. The BF Goodrich TAs on my Volvo did the same thing. A set of Goodyears my father had on a Mercury Sable did too, as well as a set of Goodyear Eagle LS that came stock on my lil'brother's 03 Silverado SS.


POS: Tires flat spot, regardless of brand. Some are just more prone than others (size & type matter here).

I am interested in the Pole Positions. How many miles have you put on them? Are they quiet? How do they take the bumps? How are they wearing? Do they flat spot? Anything else you can add about them would be appreciated.

I was also thinking of the new Turanza Serenity. what's the word on those?

Thanks.

i like them. i have about 10k on them so far and they are doing well. they are definately more quiet than the oem mxm4's, and more comfortable. not as much road noise, and no more inappropriate tire squeel on exit ramps. they have great traction in the wet, haven't tried them in the snow yet though. they do flatspot a little bit when it's cold out, though not nearly as much as the oems did, and they generally work themselves out a lot faster when they do. they aren't bi-directional tires so you probably won't get as many miles out of them, though the tires are doing much better retaining their grip than the oems did. with the oems at 7k i noticed that the grip had deteriorated to what i would expect the tire to feel like at the end of it's life, which sucked. either way, the pole positions are more of a performancey type tire than a touring tire. there are probably quieter and more comfortable all season tires out there though, but probably not with as much grip.

My suggestion would be this. ANY OTHER TIRE!! Those michelins were the worst tires I've ever had. I upgraded to Bridgestone Pole Positions, which was a great improvement. Hell, I'm sure even studded snowtires would be an improvement in the summer, and in the winter it's not like the mxm4's did any better than summer tires anyway.

haha . . . funny you should say that. I swear my Nokian H2s handled better than my OEM Michelins. :yes:

To the OP, I would suggest the Bridgestone Turanza LS-V. Not the LS-H. Don't let the Turanza name scare you. Bridgestone throws around the name "Turanza" and the tires are very different. (OEM Turanza E41s were horrible.)

The LS-Vs are probably the best all around tire I've ever owned. They compliment a fairly stock Accord very well. They're quiet and comfortable. They perform *much* better than the OEM Michelins. Even with my upgraded rear stabilizer bar the rear end stays planted. Very noteworthy: they are excellent in the rain - something that I could not say in the least about the white knuckled OEM tires. At 30,000 miles, the tread wear is even and I probably have at least another 5,000 - 10,000 miles left on them. And to boot, fuel mileage didn't take a hit.

I highly recommend them.

Why not the LS-H? Is Bridgestone still making the LS-H & LS-V?

I have had Goodyear Tripletreds on mine for over 2 years. I have been happy with them. Traction is good especially in wet conditions.

Tires can harden over time, as well as dry rot. That depends on too many factors, including the Brand and type of tire.

Most low-profile tires will flat-spot, especially those with nylon belts. It's the nature of the beast (a fact of life.) This is especially true in colder climates. A little annoying at times, but within a mile or so of driving they even out again, so not too big of a deal really.

I've had three sets of Yokohamas flat-spot on me, as well as a set of Bridgestone and BF Goodrich do it. Those were all AT truck/SUV tires and were not low-profile. I'd buy that set of Yoko ATs again in a heartbeat.

The Yokohama ES100s my old boss put on his M3 flap-spotted, as did the Dunlops he had on there before. The BF Goodrich TAs on my Volvo did the same thing. A set of Goodyears my father had on a Mercury Sable did too, as well as a set of Goodyear Eagle LS that came stock on my lil'brother's 03 Silverado SS.


POS: Tires flat spot, regardless of brand. Some are just more prone than others (size & type matter here).



I think you guys are totally missing my point. I have a customer with V4S's with 80k on them and they ARE NOT DRY ROTTED OR HARD. Yes rubber does get hard and dry, but I havn't seen it on any good tires. And 20k? No way! Unless you leave it in your garage and it took you 5 years to get to 20k! :dunno:

Why not the LS-H? Is Bridgestone still making the LS-H & LS-V?

According to their website, they're still making the Turanza LS.

You can check them out here:

http://www.bridgestonetire.com/tireselector/Size_BS_EN.aspx

Tirerack isn't showing them any more but when they did, there was a huge difference in performance between the H and V speed rated tires. The consumer comments for the H rated were luke warm to awful but the V rated was pretty much voted excellent all around.

I guess my comment should have been more along the lines of "is anyone still selling the Turanza LS tires?" I just assumed that Bridgestone was slow to update their website.

To the OP, I would suggest the Bridgestone Turanza LS-V. Not the LS-H. Don't let the Turanza name scare you. Bridgestone throws around the name "Turanza" and the tires are very different. (OEM Turanza E41s were horrible.)

The LS-Vs are probably the best all around tire I've ever owned. They compliment a fairly stock Accord very well. They're quiet and comfortable. They perform *much* better than the OEM Michelins. Even with my upgraded rear stabilizer bar the rear end stays planted. Very noteworthy: they are excellent in the rain - something that I could not say in the least about the white knuckled OEM tires. At 30,000 miles, the tread wear is even and I probably have at least another 5,000 - 10,000 miles left on them. And to boot, fuel mileage didn't take a hit.

I highly recommend them.

I second that recommendation. I've had Turanza LS-V's on my 99 Accord for some 20k miles now. 90% of travel is highway commute and the tires hardly show any wear at all. Much quieter and better handling than the Michelin's...and I used to be a die hard Michelin guy. My Mich's would last forever but would ride and sound terrible...too hard a rubber. So, with these Turanza's: no more sliding in the water, no more roaring road noise (now it's just low growling, the Honda way), and better all around handling.

I think you guys are totally missing my point. I have a customer with V4S's with 80k on them and they ARE NOT DRY ROTTED OR HARD. Yes rubber does get hard and dry, but I havn't seen it on any good tires. And 20k? No way! Unless you leave it in your garage and it took you 5 years to get to 20k! :dunno:
Actually I was talking more about flat spotting...but I have seen quite a few sets of Bridgestones and Goodyears (OEM fitment) that are on 04 and 05 model cars with dry rot problems. Climate in your locality plays a big part in that.

DO NOT buy Yokohama Avid V4S tires!!! I have had them on my car for about 23,000 miles and they have gone to crap practically overnight. They have always flat spotted since day one and have become noisy as hell. I called Yokohama and complained. Not much help.:thumbsdow

Stay away from them.


Strange - I put mine on at 70,000 and they are still in great shape at 105,000. I would buy them again in a heartbeat. I find that the car handles better at high speeds and around corners with them. I don't notice any flat spotting issues.

I do not know who is doing the testing for Consumer Reports but I found that changing out to Bridgestone LSVs corrected most problems on my 2004 Accoed EX-L 4 Cylinder. 1. Car no longer had the famous Honda drift to the right. It tracked straight and true. 2. Car was much more stable in a cross-wind. 3. Wet and dry traction was vastly improved. 4. Ride quality improved greatly as well as noise. HOWEVER, I will take handling and traction any day over "noise".

1. Car no longer had the famous Honda drift to the right. It tracked straight and true.
Thank the alignment guy, not the tires.

I'm also a big fan of the Turanza LS-Vs. I've had them on my car since 30,000 miles and I'm just now getting ready to replace them at 72,000. There's still some tread left, but I want a fresh set of tires as I head into winter.

I didn't know about the famous Honda drift to the right--my Accord has always tracked well. I've only had two alignments in 72,000 miles. And I was only having slight problems--never anything major.

Well thats not the case. The alignment was NOT changed or even touched by a technician. The tires were the problem. By changing them the alignment problem was corrected.

I have a 06 LX and went with Bridgestone Turanza Serenitys on 16 inch Alloys(new civic ex). Nice and quiet. I get a bit more harshness over large bumps. This could be the result of going from 15 to 16 inch. Can't speak to winter performance because I run Blizzaks from Dec through March(Live in Colorado)

I'm a big fan of Michelin Pilot Exaltos A/S. Excellent road feel and steering feedback. About 50% better than the Falkens ST-115 that were on previously. The price is the only drawback.