I changed that little filter today. The one that came out after 100K miles, seriously, it is an environmental hazard all by itself.

http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/379/picture19kn4.jpg

A little video of the nice new pink one going in.

http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/ff35/tonywareone/th_Video1.jpg (http://s241.photobucket.com/albums/ff35/tonywareone/?action=view&current=Video1.flv)

A few notes:

The old filter is hard rock solid, doubt anything can flow through it.
No difference in tranny performance, wasn’t expecting any (changed the oil too, still smooth auto shifting as usual).
There is only 1 washer that goes on the big 17mm bolt (that allows the oil to flow in to the filter)
The 3 little 10mm bolts that hold the cover of the filter housing in place don't need washers, or at least didn't have any.
The bottom bolt of the housing wasn't easy to remove even though all 3 little bolts appear to have anti-seize on them from the factory.
There is a spring behind the filter in the housing, not that hard to put it in place by "feeling" if it is in place as you put the filter in.
To get to that filter you need to remove the stock intake filter box (mine is already gone since I have a CAI).
All stealerships in Ottawa now think I am stealing food from their kids mouths. They should have known better not to #$&^%$#@#%^# with me in the first place.
Do it.

Parts used for the 03 v6 auto H5 MAYA (could be MCLA) transmission:

25450-RAY-003 Element ATF
91301-RAY-004 O-RING (48.5X2.95) (ARAI) ... hard to get
91302-RAY-003 FILTER, GASKET
94109-12000 WASHER, DRAIN PLUG (12MM)

A few more pics, sorry about the quality, click here (http://s241.photobucket.com/albums/ff35/tonywareone/?start=all).

As always, a huge thank you to NVA-AV6 (... from another forum) for pointing out to us that there is a filter after all :D

... went out driving, had a double-double (Canadian secret word LOL) and came home to take a hot shower and my back is killing me!

double double inn n out?

You rock, this is going in the FAQ

Day after... I have a habit of checking everything a day after for leaks etc etc.

Visual inspection around the filter housing and under the car: I left a large piece of cardboard under the car overnight after I drove it and this morning I don't see any stains on the cardboard. Easy and quick test for leaks. Also, both the engine oil drain and transmission drain bolts are dry no signs of oil on them.

However, here is something odd. Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honda_H5_transmission) lists the 03 accord with either a MAYA, MCLA or MDKA transmission. I checked the label on mine that is somewhat visible (the bar code on it is almost whipped out but the serial number still visible) it says BAYA. Wikipedia lists the BAYA transmission next to the 05 Accord :dunno: Odd. Wikipedia may be wrong but still have to cross reference this with other source. Any ideas about other sources? Did Canadians get a better deal with the “good” transmission vs. the “bad” transmission that was installed down south?

double double inn n out?
... key word for Canadian coffee, think of Starbucks but with the added element of transmission oil, brused hands, frozen noses, bad back etc etc :D :D :D

However, here is something odd. Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honda_H5_transmission) lists the 03 accord with either a MAYA, MCLA or MDKA transmission. I checked the label on mine that is somewhat visible (the bar code on it is almost whipped out but the serial number still visible) it says BAYA. Wikipedia lists the BAYA transmission next to the 05 Accord :dunno: Odd. Wikipedia may be wrong but still have to cross reference this with other source. Any ideas about other sources? Did Canadians get a better deal with the “good” transmission vs. the “bad” transmission that was installed down south?

Code just tells you which engine its for and where its built. I think Wikipedia is wrong.
http://gen7accord.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=34

I suspect that due to North America Free Trade regulations, Accords that are made for export to Canada have the BAYA (the US made transmission) on them. Something to do with cars that must be 100% made in North America to be able to cross the border to Canada duty-free for the manufacturers only. Whereas in the US, Accords made for local selling may have the MAYA (Japan made transmission) on them simply because they aren't made for export to Canada therefore they can be less than 100% made in the US.

Correct me if I am wrong but most of the issues we have been reading are with the MAYA, Japan made one? Too many forums, too many "opinions"... wish we had someone from the inside Honda to tell-all, wish!

(yeah, I think wiki is wrong, or better: confused)

Nice DIY. Good job and glad you got that thing changed....looks disgusting.

Bringing this back from the dead! Thanks a lot TonyWare, this was extremely helpful, so I'm bumping this back up incase newer members have not had a chance to see this.

A noticable difference in shift smoothness, and I only have 56k mi.

The once a year, at least by my standards of driving, transmission filter is done. I like to keep an eye on the cover for a few days just to make sure there are no leaks even though I changed the o-ring. The old one that came out, once again, is disgusting! What I noticed this time around that there was more crude oil stuck on the filter and the drain bolt. Sign of trouble? Well, it still shifts fine and is smooth, some 220K km later. Pics of the work at random in the photobucket album (http://s241.photobucket.com/albums/ff35/tonywareone/transmission%20filter/)

The once a year, at least by my standards of driving, transmission filter is done. I like to keep an eye on the cover for a few days just to make sure there are no leaks even though I changed the o-ring. The old one that came out, once again, is disgusting! What I noticed this time around that there was more crude oil stuck on the filter and the drain bolt. Sign of trouble? Well, it still shifts fine and is smooth, some 220K km later. Pics of the work at random in the photobucket album (http://s241.photobucket.com/albums/ff35/tonywareone/transmission%20filter/)

You sure it's crude oil? It looks like metal shavings to me. It's normal to some extent but of course is a bad thing...after all, that means some part of your tranny is wearing down to shoot all that metal into the fluid. My Magefine off my Ody 4AT looked like that too.

After 10K miles/1yr 5months, a period in which I changed the fluid THREE times
http://www.reaction-image.net/albums/N4TECguy/IMG_1393.sized.jpg

That's the magnet in the filter, caught a ton of metal particles (that I wiped onto the paper towel)
http://www.reaction-image.net/albums/N4TECguy/IMG_1394.sized.jpg

But, differential half shaft bearings still feel pretty tight, and I've heard that is one of the things that tend to wear out and cause failure...so I think mine is still doing okay :dunno: I guess it's better to have all that crap on the filter instead of in the fluid.

The drain bolt was definitely crude. Unless these metal shavings are so small that when they mix with oil you can't tell! I did wipe it out on a towel too and didn't get the impression there was any metal in it. The stuff you see stuck on the filter, is actually the paper of the filter deteriorating. One thing for sure, not in the same condition as a year ago both bolt and filter I changed last time but a little less clean.

The drain bolt was definitely crude. Unless these metal shavings are so small that when they mix with oil you can't tell! I did wipe it out on a towel too and didn't get the impression there was any metal in it. The stuff you see stuck on the filter, is actually the paper of the filter deteriorating. One thing for sure, not in the same condition as a year ago both bolt and filter I changed last time but a little less clean.

Ya the metal shavings are really tiny, and the drain bolt is magnetic...so I think it is metal.

I changed that little filter today. The one that came out after 100K miles, seriously, it is an environmental hazard all by itself.

http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/379/picture19kn4.jpg

A little video of the nice new pink one going in.

http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/ff35/tonywareone/th_Video1.jpg (http://s241.photobucket.com/albums/ff35/tonywareone/?action=view&current=Video1.flv)

A few notes:

The old filter is hard rock solid, doubt anything can flow through it.
No difference in tranny performance, wasn’t expecting any (changed the oil too, still smooth auto shifting as usual).
There is only 1 washer that goes on the big 17mm bolt (that allows the oil to flow in to the filter) The 3 little 10mm bolts that hold the cover of the filter housing in place don't need washers, or at least didn't have any.
The bottom bolt of the housing wasn't easy to remove even though all 3 little bolts appear to have anti-seize on them from the factory.
There is a spring behind the filter in the housing, not that hard to put it in place by "feeling" if it is in place as you put the filter in.
To get to that filter you need to remove the stock intake filter box (mine is already gone since I have a CAI).
All stealerships in Ottawa now think I am stealing food from their kids mouths. They should have known better not to #$&^%$#@#%^# with me in the first place.
Do it.

Parts used for the 03 v6 auto H5 MAYA (could be MCLA) transmission:

25450-RAY-003 Element ATF
91301-RAY-004 O-RING (48.5X2.95) (ARAI) ... hard to get
91302-RAY-003 FILTER, GASKET
94109-12000 WASHER, DRAIN PLUG (12MM)

A few more pics, sorry about the quality, click here (http://s241.photobucket.com/albums/ff35/tonywareone/?start=all).

As always, a huge thank you to NVA-AV6 (... from another forum) for pointing out to us that there is a filter after all :D

... went out driving, had a double-double (Canadian secret word LOL) and came home to take a hot shower and my back is killing me!


I just changed the filter on my 03 V6 sedan, and I have a couple questions.

On the feed pipe there were two washers, one on each side of the pipe, right.?? I just re-used them (no leaks)

Had you changed the filter before this (100k miles)? How often have you changed the fluid?

That bottom bolt was a big pain (in the back) until I finally figured out how to turn that sucker.


Thanks in advance

I just changed the filter on my 03 V6 sedan, and I have a couple questions.

On the feed pipe there were two washers, one on each side of the pipe, right.?? I just re-used them (no leaks)

Had you changed the filter before this (100k miles)? How often have you changed the fluid?

That bottom bolt was a big pain (in the back) until I finally figured out how to turn that sucker.


Thanks in advance

Sorry for he delayed response but somehow I missed that thread question and someone else referenced it recently so it came back. I changed the tranny oil every 50k-60k km (around 34k miles) and the filter once a year regardless of km/miles. Yes, that bottom bolt needs special attention. No need to change that washer unless it is visible bad but do change the o-ring around the housing filter cover.

Would you know if an 06 V6 Canadian sedan has the same trans filter parts, used for the 03 v6 auto H5 MAYA (could be MCLA) transmission? I'm from Winnipeg Manitoba.
Maybe Princess might have something listing if trans are the same?
My trans oil change is coming up soon. I have 87 KL now on it. Honda say it is due at 96 KL. I want to get the filter done as well if I can

I checked with my local Honda Dealer and they said the parts for the 03 are the same for the 06. They told me that this filter does not need to be changed if you do your regular maintenance trans oil changes. They said if I still want it changed they will do it but will be 3 hours labor charge $270 plus tax and parts. The ATF Element, O Ring, Filter Gasket and Drain plug gasket cost $31.05 plus trans oil costs. This is Winnipeg, MB cost.

I checked with my local Honda Dealer and they said the parts for the 03 are the same for the 06. They told me that this filter does not need to be changed if you do your regular maintenance trans oil changes. They said if I still want it changed they will do it but will be 3 hours labor charge $270 plus tax and parts. The ATF Element, O Ring, Filter Gasket and Drain plug gasket cost $31.05 plus trans oil costs. This is Winnipeg, MB cost.

I just got off the phone with my dealership and they told me that if was going to be an extra $320.00 for that filter as it was a cooler and they had to tap into the cooling system to change it. That was Castle Honda in Toronto if anyone is interested. I think I'll spend the $35.00 on the parts and change it myself thank you very much!

For transmission filter change, you need
1) ATF Element
2) O Ring
3) Filter Gasket
4) Drain plug gasket

Anymore or less?

new poster here but long time lurker..... I thought the V6 tranny filter was internal and the whole trans has to be taken apart to get to it??

new poster here but long time lurker..... I thought the V6 tranny filter was internal and the whole trans has to be taken apart to get to it??

You thought wrong, along with about every Honda service department. :)

thats very comforting to know. I'll be sure to ask my service advisor about that one. Been changing fluid every 15k cuz of all city driving. It helps for like a month, its shifting hard again....

The dealers around here won't change the filters in any of the '03 and up transmissions. They refuse.
Even when brought the old filter as proof they do exist.

Our local dealer now stocks the inline filter, usually just one. As our shop is the only one who orders them.

This goes for the external inline filters that are on Fits, Civics, CRVs, Elements, 4 cylinder Accords. And the accessible internal filters, like the V6 Accord.

There are a couple of models of V6 transmissions that the cartridge style filter is inaccessible. They put the housing for the filter INSIDE the bellhousing behind the torque converter. The V6 Hybrid has it that way and a couple of others.

There are a couple of models of V6 transmissions that the cartridge style filter is inaccessible. They put the housing for the filter INSIDE the bellhousing behind the torque converter. The V6 Hybrid has it that way and a couple of others.

Has anyone changed one on 2007? Mine is a late built 07/07...

Post or PM me your VIN and I can look up where it is.

My once a year transmission filter change went well, again. Here is a pic of the old vs. new. Some 50k km later the old one is just as bad as the other old ones I have changed and the transmission at 290,000 km is still flawless.

http://img199.imageshack.us/img199/926/filterv.jpg

http://img193.imageshack.us/img193/2818/filter2.jpg

(I often wonder if by NOT updating the software on the ECU, contrary to what my Honda dealer suggests, has actually saved my transmission... a bit paranoid perhaps, but my software background asks me "why fix something that isn't broken?" Hmmmmm.)

It doesn't look clogged up yet...
Do you need more than 3L replacing the filter?

It doesn't look clogged up yet...
Do you need more than 3L replacing the filter?

Sorry for the late response, but I mostly hang out in the 7th generation section of the site and missed this one.

It is a once a year habit of mine to replace this, regardless if it is clogged or not. Not sure if it is clogged. I can't tell if the oil still passes through, I never tested it outside of the car, but the paper it is made from is rock hard compare to the new one that is soft.

I fill up with 3 bottles. At 1.5 bottles I start the engine and go through the gears without moving the car, then I shut down the engine and fill up the rest. Don't expect a huge spill when you remove the cover of that filter, even if the oil is still not drained, just a few drops and thats all. I change both filter and oil at the same time and I prime the new filter with clean tranny oil before installing it.

not a problem... i just changed both ATF and filter (just over 25,000km/15,000miles)... thanks for your pictures and instructions!

i put 3.6L in total
It drain out at least 3.25L (excluding spill)
When the filter is opened, i expecting the filter won't leak much, but i was wrong... at least good 100mL spill...

The drain plug was very nasty.
The filter does not look as bad as (not as full as the drain plug)

How difficult is it to remove the air filter housing?

It is rather straight forward compare to the filter...
Need to remove 2 bolts (10mm socket) for the airbox mounts and 1 bolt (8mm socket) on a clip mount!

not a problem... i just changed both ATF and filter (just over 25,000km/15,000miles)... thanks for your pictures and instructions!

i put 3.6L in total
It drain out at least 3.25L (excluding spill)
When the filter is opened, i expecting the filter won't leak much, but i was wrong... at least good 100mL spill...

The drain plug was very nasty.
The filter does not look as bad as (not as full as the drain plug)

How long for the whole procedure?

This is my first time do it and i am not a mechanic. Hence, it's going to be longer than others!

Taking out the airbox and filter 30 min
Unbolt the tranny filter housing/cap 40 min (The difficult part is to untighten the bottom bolt)
take out, put in the filter, clean the spill 20 min
Rebolt the tranny filter housing/cap 30 min +
I lost a washer for return pipe? (for 17mm bolt) and spent 1 hours looking for it (and i could not find it)
reinstall the airbox and air filter 20 min

If you know how to do it, maybe it is going to take you under 2 hours...

The time exclude the 1x Drain and Refill (it is nothing compare to filter change)!

For you guys who did the replacement,

Did you notice any change in your trannys' shifting?
Do you feel it's smoother than before?

Just got my parts today and plan to change the filter over the weekend. I have to say, although the filter is small, say compared to an oil filter, it is bigger than I thought it was going to be based on the posted pictures. I can't wait to see if the filter change actually gives the shifts any noticeable improvement. We shall see....more to come later.

For you guys who did the replacement,

Did you notice any change in your trannys' shifting?
Do you feel it's smoother than before?

I changed the filter and did 1x drain and refill
First Drain was at around 15k miles
The shift is slightly smoother (especially 3-4, 4-5)!

Just got through with the filter and fluid change. Not too bad. Took me about 2 hours and I did two fluid changes. The area where the ATF filter housing is located is definitely tight on space so that slowed me down. Does it shift any better....seems so....maybe a little smoother. Relatively easy DIY.

can anyone confirm that this atf filter change will work on a 03 accord v6 auto with a BAYA type transmission?

can anyone confirm that this atf filter change will work on a 03 accord v6 auto with a BAYA type transmission?

Yes

i forgot to ask if the baya and maya transmission uses the same part number?

if you havent done it for more than 15K miles, first thing to do is to drain the ATF and re-fill it (3 quarts). drive around for at least 100 miles for old and new ATF to mix. then drain it again, replace the filter and then re-fill again. Why you're at it, clean the TBI. Its not hard to do at all.

any details on how to change the i4 filter in 06-07 5AT?

Where is this filter exactly on 06 V6? I can't find it. Is it directly under the big air box?

Great info guys! Going to be purchasing an Accord with 75,000miles so this would definetely be something on the to-do list!

any details on how to change the i4 filter in 06-07 5AT?

Look in the FAQ and click on the link for the 4 cyl. Same location it's just in-line.

And yes, the filter is under the air box.

I don't think the 4cyl has an in-line filter...I think it's a screen in the pan.

Where is this filter exactly on 06 V6? I can't find it. Is it directly under the big air box?

This is my 03 V6.

http://www.driveaccord.net/forums/showpost.php?p=299369&postcount=68

I don't think the 4cyl has an in-line filter...I think it's a screen in the pan.

Looks in-line to me...

http://www.driveaccord.net/forums/showthread.php?t=14699

......don't you manage the FAQ?

Looks in-line to me...

http://www.driveaccord.net/forums/showthread.php?t=14699

......don't you manage the FAQ?

No I don't. I wrote it and stuff gets added when its requested. That's not really managing...

And I said there's a screen because I vaguely remembered reading this thread...
http://www.driveaccord.net/forums/showthread.php?t=3048

Both transmissions have both a regular filter and a strainer in the transmission case.