Why AT costs more?

[pitt]

http://www.newcars.com/honda/accord/index.html
I do not see any difference in MSRP and invoice price between MT and AT

[Accordlover]

It's not the same.

http://automobiles.honda.com/accord-sedan/price.aspx?Model=CP2548EW

[pitt]

They are on the link I have provided. I'd like those who have access to the actual data/price to provide true info not the WPP(Web Published Price):)

[Accordlover]

They are on the link I have provided. I'd like those who have access to the actual data/price to provide true info not the WPP(Web Published Price):)

The link you provided must have the wrong information.:dunno:

The AT cost more for several reasons. It has more computers, parts, wires, different gauge cluster, etc. The AT has costed more on the Accord since the day it was offered.

[pitt]

I don't want to discuss nor argue but I do want actual numbers from trusted sources.

[in4mation]

I don't want to discuss nor argue but I do want actual numbers from trusted sources.

Why would you need this now, or why would you care being that you already have an '07? :confused:

[pitt]

Do you think that this is the last car I've bought? Rules of the game are the same.

[RTexasF]

An auto transmission on any car offered with both manual & auto is always more expensive. It is a fact of life.
It is an option and options are more expensive.

It is also worth more on trade in/resale because it is more desirable by the majority of owners. Simple isn't it?

The average upgrade is $800. Why is this so vital, it's been a common fact....for decades.

[pitt]

I don't want to discuss nor argue but I do want actual numbers from trusted sources.
I do agree that referred site is wrong but I want real numbers please, if you have.

[Accordlover]

What numbers???

The numbers Honda posts are accurate MSRP. Other sites like Edmunds, NADA, and KBB do show that the invoice between AT and MT is just as different as the MSRP between AT and MT models. I'm not arguing with you. It is a known fact as RTF stated already.

[pitt]

I want invoice numbers from the actual dealership.Sites data can be wrong. The best example referred site.

[Bluek24a4]

I think the RX8 manual is more money because it comes with a more powerful engine. Thats the only car I can think of where the auto is less than the stick, but not everything is the same on the two cars.

[LeaDxPainT]

I thought this was a no brainer. Analogy: If you want power windows or power door locks you pay extra. Even if the parts come out to the same amount you're paying for the convenience of having those options. If you want "numbers" for parts go to hondaautomotiveparts.com (http://www.hondaautomotiveparts.com/auto/jsp/mws/PartsSearch.jsp) and piece together a MT and AT assembly.

[pitt]

I was misunderstood. I should ask why AT and MT have the same price according to the given link. I don't want any discussions - there is nothing to discuss. I want real actual numbers. If somebody has it. Nothing more.

[mdnky]

An auto transmission on any car offered with both manual & auto is always more expensive. It is a fact of life.
It is an option and options are more expensive.
Actually that's isn't exactly correct. Chevrolet had been charging the same (sometimes extra) for a manual on its sports cars for a few years. The C5 Corvette was one such example, as was some of the Z28 and SS model Camaros before their demise. BMW and Audi do the same on some of their vehicles (E60 edition M5 is one).

[namegoeshere]

I was misunderstood. I should ask why AT and MT have the same price according to the given link.

Those number from that linked site for both the AT and MT are typos. Don't believe everything you see on the internets. And there's no site out there (well, that I'm aware of at least) that'll give you spot on invoice numbers.

Closest are places like Edmunds, carsdirect, etc. Don't know what else to tell you.

[pitt]

There are peoples in this or other forums who have data or at least access to it.

[tizo]

...referring to the Kelly Blue Book (http://www.kbb.com/KBB/NewCars/2008_Honda_Accord.aspx), for the '08 Honda Accord's invoice price, most of the automatics are (as previously mentioned) around $800 additional... the exception being, a comparison between the V6 automatic and the 6-speed manual transmission...

[Yury]

pitt, what's your question exactly? why the price is the same? or is it really the same?
answering the second question is easy:
http://automobiles.honda.com/accord-sedan/price.aspx?Model=CP2538EW
the difference there is about the difference i've seen on many cars over a number of years. AT just more expensive to build :)

Now, when I was shopping for 07 V6 the manual EX was more expensive that an auto SE, but this was one trim level up, included extra goodies like heated seats and proabably leather...

As a side note...CVT is a good alternative to AT, in theory it's simpler than AT and about as efficient as a stick. In theory.

[RTexasF]

Actually that's isn't exactly correct. Chevrolet had been charging the same (sometimes extra) for a manual on its sports cars for a few years. The C5 Corvette was one such example, as was some of the Z28 and SS model Camaros before their demise. BMW and Audi do the same on some of their vehicles (E60 edition M5 is one).

You are most certainly correct. I shouldn't have said always but usually.

[benjamming]

There are peoples in this or other forums who have data or at least access to it.

a little pushy & demanding are we? Making posting mistakes and then demands is not cool. Not trying to be a smart aleck, is English your first language?

So, what actual data are you wanting? Invoice $? MSRP $? Actual paid price $? You keep changing your demands. :lmao:

[pitt]

is English your first language?
So, what actual data are you wanting? Invoice $? MSRP $? Actual paid price $? You keep changing your demands. :lmao:
No it isn't. My first one is machine codes and than assembly:yes:
Invoice, manufacturer incentives, whatever else. MSRP is known, I know how to calculate holdback.
But why are u asking? I don't think u have it, do u?

[benjamming]

Whether I have it or not is irrelevant at this point.

[MotorCity Honda]

No it isn't. My first one is machine codes and than assembly:yes:
Invoice, manufacturer incentives, whatever else. MSRP is known, I know how to calculate holdback.
But why are u asking? I don't think u have it, do u?

Not to speak out of turn but I think the language question was asked to determine if you are being overly pushy or if it is a language barrier.

[joerockt]

An auto transmission on any car offered with both manual & auto is always more expensive.

Not when you buy an Acura.

[stevel]

Not when you buy an Acura.

I also thought the 6MT accords were the same price as AT V6 EX-L accords....

[joerockt]

I want invoice numbers from the actual dealership.Sites data can be wrong. The best example referred site.

What year? Your original link is to 07's...

I've found that posted invoice prices like on Edmunds are pretty spot on to what the dealer has.

[anysia]

what you will find isn't a variance in invoice price itself, it's a variance in how different places and dealerships and people define invoice....

invoice is invoice.

however, dealership a may give you an "invoice" price which is less holdback, while dealership b gives you the true invoice price. or maybe dealership c includes destination fees as a part of invoice while dealership d doesn't. and so on and so forth.




as far as manuals costing less, i think for a long time a manual was viewed as a way to save gas and as a way to get a car that you may not be able to afford if it cost you another $1,000. the fuel ecomony differences are negligible now days, depending on driver, so that no longer plays into the equation. but i still do know people who have bought manuals because they didn't want to pay extra for an automatic.

by the time you reach acura levels, the manual drivers aren't seeking out the $$$ savings. the manual drivers are typically enthusiasts in the higher priced cars. i'm guessing that car manufacturers know that and feel they can easily get away with the same price on the at's and mt's. they don't need the "cheaper" selling point any more.

[waldo]

I know I'm late to the table here, but the trend seems to be that MT cars are cheaper usually only when the MT is a generic 4 or 5 speed. The precision 6 speeds (like on many sportier cars) is often about the same as an AT.

Often marketing, not actual production costs, determine pricing. If the manufacturer wants to take the price difference off the table for the consumer's decision, the best way is to make the price equal.

In the case of the V6 Accord Coupe, the price is equal, AT or MT. The thought that leaves in your mind is that the MT must be very darn good to be the same price as the AT. Clever of them, right?

[zro26t]

I know I'm late to the table here, but the trend seems to be that MT cars are cheaper usually only when the MT is a generic 4 or 5 speed. The precision 6 speeds (like on many sportier cars) is often about the same as an AT.

I can agree with this. I have been building and rebuilding the ever crappy GM 4L60E transmission for my '86 Silverado. It's not hard to do at all, but knowing the tricks of the trade to make is stronger and more reliable is the key. The difference between pricing may be (or more than likely is) the components that go into these units. I am friends with a professional transmission builder out of Chicago, and I can tell you that to make ATs as strong as an MT (5 or 6 speed), there's some work to put in to building 'em.

So, depending on what's in 'em from the factory may very well have something to do with pricing... that and dealership "smoke & mirrors". :yes:

[princess]

http://automobiles.honda.com/tools/build-price/trims.asp?SERIES=5&SERIESNAME=Accord%20Sedan&YEAR=2008


:dunno:

They're now 800 more MSRP. Maybe us AT drivers are paying for the car using it's brain (to shift) instead of us!!:lmao: