A friend of mine has an 06 Honda Accord Coupe 6MT...completely stock. I had never been in it before yesterday, and coming from an S2000, I was pleasantly surpised at the powerband and how quick it felt. Certainly it could only be a tick or two slower than the S2000....

My question is....the 06 accords are rated at 244 hp...but probably have more like 250-255 in reality. The 08 accords are rated at 268 hp but probably have more like 280-285 in reality....but the 08s weigh quite a bit more...I forget whether it was 150 or 250 lbs.

In a race...from a stop, or from a highway roll....should we expect the 08 to be faster? What are your guys thoughts?

I dont want to take my new 08 to the 1/4 track with my buddies 06 to find that mine isn't faster than his....

The 08's are going to be very slightly faster, but not really by much. My guess is that it would be a driver's race or would go to whoever has better rubber with a very slight edge on the 08. Even with relatively aggressive street tires my 06 reaches the limits of traction pretty easily up all the way through second gear (especially high in the revs). On a track I can't see the difference allowing one car to catch up to or fall behind the other and make up for a worse launch. Both cars are going to be traction limited for most of first and second gear, and by the time traction isn't as big of a factor you'd be comfortably into the power band and torque really wouldn't be as big of a factor. That's just my prediction anyway.

Also, they do not have 280+ hp, they just don't. Why people insist on ASSUMING that their 08's make so much more power than they do (especially fun when the "proof" used is that borked dyno on TOV) is completely beyond me. There is absolutely no point to it and even less proof of it.

Its ok...for the same price next year...the Pontiac G8 will be kicking all kinds of butt in the family sedan races :)

Its ok...for the same price next year...the Pontiac G8 will be kicking all kinds of butt in the family sedan races :)

or even the hyundai genesis....yarrrrg. I'm really looking forward to the coupe, though it's not exactly a family sedan.

I agree with chanke about the traction problem. However the only measured test of the 6-speed 08 coupe I've seen had the 1/4 mile in 14.5 seconds. The 06-07 is slightly faster than that. I was actually pretty surprised because the 08 is only 150 lbs heavier than the 06-07 coupes and I didn't think it would make that big a difference. When I saw the specs on the 08 coupe I thought for sure it would be a 14 second car. Who knows, maybe with the right tires it could be. I also believe with better tires the 06-07 could run a better 14.4 1/4 mile time as well.

The 06-07 coupe is deceptively fast. I'm constantly blowing away cars that I think should smoke me. I don't street race, I'm just talking about a "friendly" game of beat the car to next traffic light. This thing just hauls butt. I think it's seriously under-rated. I would love to get my car on a dyno, maybe one of these days.

Bottom line, for all of the hp and torque increase on the 08 it's still a drivers race against an 06-07 coupe. And we get better gas mileage too!

I agree with chanke about the traction problem. However the only measured test of the 6-speed 08 coupe I've seen had the 1/4 mile in 14.5 seconds. The 06-07 is slightly faster than that. I was actually pretty surprised because the 08 is only 150 lbs heavier than the 06-07 coupes and I didn't think it would make that big a difference. When I saw the specs on the 08 coupe I thought for sure it would be a 14 second car. Who knows, maybe with the right tires it could be. I also believe with better tires the 06-07 could run a better 14.4 1/4 mile time as well.

The 06-07 coupe is deceptively fast. I'm constantly blowing away cars that I think should smoke me. I don't street race, I'm just talking about a "friendly" game of beat the car to next traffic light. This thing just hauls butt. I think it's seriously under-rated. I would love to get my car on a dyno, maybe one of these days.

Bottom line, for all of the hp and torque increase on the 08 it's still a drivers race against an 06-07 coupe. And we get better gas mileage too!

I think it boils down to fwd just not being able to handle the power very well given the extreme weight transfer at launch, even torque steer and differential issues aside. I just wouldn't want a front driver with any more power than I have right now, but I know it'll be a few years and a lot more hp before fwd tendencies become a little more prominent under normal daily driving conditions in such a way that people start to realize that fwd isn't that great. I mean the 08 6mt already apparently spins it's wheels pretty well all the way through second gear...that sucks. At least I only really spin at the top of the power band in second gear.

DGS, there actually are a couple of baseline dynos that I've seen for the 6mt, maybe you've seen em too (though they have all been for the 03-05 6mt's, not the 06-07). The whp number that comes to mind is around 212-215whp iirc for the stock 03-05 6mts (I'm trying to lowball it so as not to exaggerate things). I will try to find a couple links and post em on here when I think about it, unless someone beats me to it. I am sure there are a couple on v6p.net or tov (hopefully not that borked dyno they used for the first 08 run. The 06-07's SHOULD be around 10hp higher than that (not sure if they are or not, can't recall any 06-07 baseline dynos). I don't know if they are underrated, I suppose they could be, but I doubt it'd be by more than a couple hp. I suppose only honda really knows. Given that the 08 6mt dynoed in around 240whp, my bet is that the crank ratings that honda gave are pretty close to accurate on both. Either way, I feel like I get more power out of those 244 honda horses than what a lot of other cars do with supposedly more power, and while getting good mileage too. Glad to hear you are still enjoying your car.

I dont know about the rest of you guys but the winter air is adding some butt dyno HP to my car. I feel everything about my car, from having tires that warm up to the slightest gain from having premium fuel. AT 27k miles I think my V6 is finally feeling the full effects of being completely broken in. This car is so much entertainment as well as my daily ride that I dont mind at all mailing in my monthly payment.

Yah, the cold weather helps, though I haven't noticed a ton of improvement from break-in except for the first couple hundred miles I had my car. Ever since then it's felt pretty much the same.

A friend of mine has an 06 Honda Accord Coupe 6MT...completely stock. I had never been in it before yesterday, and coming from an S2000, I was pleasantly surpised at the powerband and how quick it felt. Certainly it could only be a tick or two slower than the S2000....

My question is....the 06 accords are rated at 244 hp...but probably have more like 250-255 in reality. The 08 accords are rated at 268 hp but probably have more like 280-285 in reality....but the 08s weigh quite a bit more...I forget whether it was 150 or 250 lbs.

In a race...from a stop, or from a highway roll....should we expect the 08 to be faster? What are your guys thoughts?

I dont want to take my new 08 to the 1/4 track with my buddies 06 to find that mine isn't faster than his....

Congrats on a good choice (blk/blk) 6MT. My intial Impressions were that the car is over powered becuase all you get is wheel spins in the 1st and 2nd gear. It took me a loong time to figure out how to get a good launch (im still far from the perfect launch).

A few magazines have tested the accord and i have seen 0-60 times from 5.9~6.2. But the best thing is that it traps 1/4 mile at 99.8 (R&T) and 101.6 (edmunds) which in my opinon is fast.

I would suggest to replace the Stock POS tires off the bat with UHP tires that will give you better traction! That will give the car better 0-60 and 1/4 times from the above numbers.

Congrats on a good choice (blk/blk) 6MT. My intial Impressions were that the car is over powered becuase all you get is wheel spins in the 1st and 2nd gear. It took me a loong time to figure out how to get a good launch (im still far from the perfect launch).

A few magazines have tested the accord and i have seen 0-60 times from 5.9~6.2. But the best thing is that it traps 1/4 mile at 99.8 (R&T) and 101.6 (edmunds) which in my opinon is fast.

I would suggest to repalce the Stock POS tires off the bat with UHP tires that will give you better traction! That will give the car better 0-60 and 1/4 times from the above numbers.

Do any of the Accords have LSD or even aftermarket option ?

If you think cold weather works good on NA engine you should see how it helps turbo cars, really improves performance there.

Congrats on a good choice (blk/blk) 6MT. My intial Impressions were that the car is over powered becuase all you get is wheel spins in the 1st and 2nd gear. It took me a loong time to figure out how to get a good launch (im still far from the perfect launch).

A few magazines have tested the accord and i have seen 0-60 times from 5.9~6.2. But the best thing is that it traps 1/4 mile at 99.8 (R&T) and 101.6 (edmunds) which in my opinon is fast.

I would suggest to replace the Stock POS tires off the bat with UHP tires that will give you better traction! That will give the car better 0-60 and 1/4 times from the above numbers.

What kind of traction issues are we talking about here? Are you saying that in normal driving, on dry pavement, that the wheels spin during WOT in 1st and 2nd gear? Can you explain more about the traction issues with your 08 during everyday driving?

IHMO, 3.0 vs. 3.5, 215 vs 235, and 13.5lbs/hp vs. 12.8lbs/hp tells me that the 08 6MT is faster. The 08 6MT has a broader torque curve b/c of the 3.5l engine, less weight per horsepower, and it will also get the power to the ground better with a wider tire.

Not really a surprise, as I would expect Honda to make a new Accord better than the old one.

Do any of the Accords have LSD or even aftermarket option ?

none of the accords come with lsd's. A few people have swapped out the open differentials for the lsd from the TL though. Why they do not sell the accord and tsx w/ a lsd is beyond me.

none of the accords come with lsd's. A few people have swapped out the open differentials for the lsd from the TL though. Why they do not sell the accord and tsx w/ a lsd is beyond me.


How much would doing something like that cost?

I just wouldn't want a front driver with any more power than I have right now

Either way, I feel like I get more power out of those 244 honda horses than what a lot of other cars do with supposedly more power, and while getting good mileage too. Glad to hear you are still enjoying your car.

Yes and yes. I think the 06-07 has just the perfect amount of horsepower. And Honda did an amazing job of dealing with the torque steer. It's extremely mild. I can punch it in any gear and I don't need a death grip on the steering. That's just good engineering.

This car definitely feels like more than 244 hp, especially when this thing revs past 5K. It's like a turbo charger, it just kicks when VTEC engages. It never gets old revving this car up to redline. The amazing engine sounds, and the extra kick in the butt from the VTEC engagement is just sensory overload for me. I swear sometimes I get so much adrenalin from it my leg starts to shake a little. :lmao:

And the gas mileage is too good for how hard I flog the car. I'm getting anywhere between 24 mpg and 25 mpg in completely mixed driving, with a very heavy foot. I consider that very good, and it's even better because we only need to use regular unleaded. The engine is a gem, I really can't imagine a better engine for FWD platform. The 3.5L is nice, but you're paying for the extra hp and torque with pretty poor gas mileage of 17/25.

Yep, I love this car. I'll still be enjoying it many years from now. I'll really be enjoying it when it's paid off. I can't wait for the day I have no more car payments. Since I don't want a family (finding a women who doesn't want kids is the tough part however), I'll never need a bigger car than my coupe. No sedan or minivan for me.

What kind of traction issues are we talking about here? Are you saying that in normal driving, on dry pavement, that the wheels spin during WOT in 1st and 2nd gear? Can you explain more about the traction issues with your 08 during everyday driving?

With the stock Michelins on dry pavement, its easy to light off the front wheels in 1st, 2nd and 3rd at WOT. Gawd forbid if there's any water or wet leaves on the ground. The ! light on the dash board will have a seizure. :lmao: A light feathering of the clutch and partial throttle in day to day driving poses no problems and the car takes off smartly and is very fast.

When passing a car, out of habit I went into third at about 60mph. That's a 6 - 3 shift in the V6 6sp. I let off the clutch too quickly and VSA cut the power cuz the wheels started spinning. :paranoid: I immediately shifted to 4th and once the tires hooked up, the wheels grabbed the pavement and the car charged ahead like it wanted to break out of the Earth's orbit. I threw up a little bit in my mouth and pooped at the same time. :biggrin:

With the stock Michelins on dry pavement, its easy to light off the front wheels in 1st, 2nd and 3rd at WOT. Gawd forbid if there's any water or wet leaves on the ground. The ! light on the dash board will have a seizure. :lmao: A light feathering of the clutch and partial throttle in day to day driving poses no problems and the car takes off smartly and is very fast.

When passing a car, out of habit I went into third at about 60mph. That's a 6 - 3 shift in the V6 6sp. I let off the clutch too quickly and VSA cut the power cuz the wheels started spinning. :paranoid: I immediately shifted to 4th and once the tires hooked up, the wheels grabbed the pavement and the car charged ahead like it wanted to break out of the Earth's orbit. I threw up a little bit in my mouth and pooped at the same time. :biggrin:

FUN!!! :lmao:
I wish i was there. :)
lol. :lmao:

How much would doing something like that cost?

The part is somewhere right around 800 bucks I believe, installation is where you will get hosed though. Accordio had the TL LSD put in his car (06 6mt) by the dealer, I think he said labor was about as much as the part, though he lives in Canada. I haven't seen him on here lately, he might have replaced his accord already. NVA, a member on this board but mainly on v6p, is in the process of adding one to his i believe and would know more about the ins and outs of it. I hope to get one one of these days, but roads in Indiana probably wouldn't let me take advantage of it w/o driving dangerously as I have no interest in hard launches (I just don't think it's fun). Colorado was a different story. Plenty of twisties on sparcely traveled roads, especially in the mountains. Maybe I'll think about it when I move back in a year or so assuming I still have this car. I don't really know of any shops in indiana that I would trust to propperly shim and reassemble it.

I have not looked at the part #'s for the new 6mt transmission in the 08's to see if it is any different than the old one in any way except the gear ratios. It is entirely possible that the lsd for the TL would be a direct swap even into the 08's.

Someone on v6performance.net also just swapped in the entire TL transmission, which includes the lsd obviously. The gear ratios would be a little different, though the person who did it was supercharged (I forget his handle), so maybe it didn't slow him down any, I don't know.

Well it seems that putting a Limited Slip Differential would void the warranty on the car?

And the gas mileage is too good for how hard I flog the car. I'm getting anywhere between 24 mpg and 25 mpg in completely mixed driving, with a very heavy foot. I consider that very good, and it's even better because we only need to use regular unleaded. The engine is a gem, I really can't imagine a better engine for FWD platform. The 3.5L is nice, but you're paying for the extra hp and torque with pretty poor gas mileage of 17/25.

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2008 EPA mpg are rated differently than 2007. All are lower even on the same car and engine. I suspect the mileage rating between 2007 and 2008 Accord are the same based on the different criteria used in each year. 2008 ratings are more realistic especially the city rating. I get 16-17 city in my 2006 V-6 6 speed.

2008 vs. 2007 (V6 auto models)
http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/2008car2tablef.jsp?column=2&id=23569

Well it seems that putting a Limited Slip Differential would void the warranty on the car?

on the transmission itself, yeah, it probably would. the rest of the car though. no.... they wouldn't even be able to tell the lsd was in their without dissasembling the trans....