m1 5w20 petroleum based

[hondaracermd]

hi everyone, i was planning to use m1 0w20 in my av6 6mt and checked on the canadian site, where it showed that they only sell 5w20 in canada. i also noticed that they state the 5w20 is based on petroleum base stocks, whereas for 5w30 they state its based on synthetic base stocks. im taking this to mean that only the 5w30 is poa based. is this the same case as the us m1 5w20? i was planning to use m1 and not syntec since i though m1 5w20 would be poa based, but now that its not, is there something else out there that might be bette?

[benjamming]

I believe you mean PAO not poa.

Mobil 1 means synthetic. Mobil means conventional.

Why not just use Pennzoil Platinum?

[ncelk]

There has been much disagreement on whether or not this is the case and Mobil is not talking to confirm or deny last I heard.

[MotorCity Honda]

Go with MotorCraft Syn Blend... really is a great oil as can be researched at BITOG.com and it's easy on the wallet... My UOA proved my research and I am not looking back (this from previous DIE HARD M1 user)

[RTexasF]

If available there Motorcraft is awfully hard to beat for the price.

[hondaracermd]

thanks for the replies. i dont know much about penzoil platinum. is it a true pao based synth or petroleum based? im not sure about motorcraft, sounds like a canadian tire branded product. im surprised you have it in the US. i used mobil 1 in the past with great results and noticed quite a dif compared to conventional or even castrol syntec. this was 5-6 yrs ago and 5w30, so i understand things may be different with 5w20 and with formulation changes over the years.

[Aviography]

im not sure about motorcraft, sounds like a canadian tire branded product. im surprised you have it in the US.

You are thinking of MASTERcraft, not MOTORcraft, Motorcraft is Ford related stuff.

[RTexasF]

Mobil 1 synthetic, Pennzoil Platinum synthetic, or Motorcraft blend will all serve you very well. As benjamming said regular Mobil (not Mobil 1) is a non synthetic oil. I believe you have the two mixed up. Mobil 5W20 is based on petroleum, Mobil 1 5W20 is not... so says Mobil.

[MotorCity Honda]

You are thinking of MASTERcraft, not MOTORcraft, Motorcraft is Ford related stuff.


That is correct.. MotorCraft is Ford

[krazyfiend]

I have yet to see regular 'Mobil' in a B&M store... only place I've seen it offered is at Mobil Oil/Service Stations, and that was out of massive drums of it, not 5 qt or 1 qt bottles.

[RTexasF]

I guess it depends on distribution/demand. In this area Mobil Clean 5000 and Mobil Clean High Mileage (both dino oils) are in abundance. Clean 7500 is a synth blend and is also prevelant on the shelves.

[turBeau]

For those that frequent BITOG, how does the Mobil Clean 7500 compare to the Motorcraft?

[RTexasF]

I haven't seen many there using the 7500 since the Motorcraft does so well at a lesser price. i wouldn't have any problem using the 7500 blend myself.

[hondaracermd]

thanks for the replies. i did check mobil website for mobil 1 5w20 and it did mention petroleum base stocks, as compared to synthetic base stocks for the 5w30 on their info sheet. i only looked at mobil 1, as im interested in using a synthetic oil and have good previous experence with mobil 1. i guess i could give PP a try. is there a particular oil ud recommend with higher moly for the first oci? car has about 3000 miles on it right now and ill probably change the oil at 4000 miles. i live in minnesota type winter weather, so cold temp oil flow at startup is very important for me. hence going with a synthetic oil.

[turBeau]

I haven't seen many there using the 7500 since the Motorcraft does so well at a lesser price.

Alright, just curious. Running the Motorcraft anyways right now.

[RTexasF]

thanks for the replies. i did check mobil website for mobil 1 5w20 and it did mention petroleum base stocks, as compared to synthetic base stocks for the 5w30 on their info sheet.


Where are you getting this????

A direct copy and paste from Mobil's site: Mobil 1 5W-20 is made with a proprietary blend of high performance synthetic basestocks fortified with an advanced additive system.

[reframmellator]

PAO = poly(alpha-olefin). Long chain building blocks derived from petroleum, so even tho M1 is in every sense of the word a synthetic oil, the synthetic base stocks come from petroleum. Could explain the confusion.

[hondaracermd]

here is where i got it from.

5w20 : Mobil 1 5W-20 is manufactured from high quality petroleum base stocks, carefully blended with selected additives. As with all
petroleum products, good personal hygiene and careful handling should always be practiced. Avoid prolonged contact to skin,
splashing into the eyes, ingestion or vapour inhalation. Special care is also recommended in handling used motor oils. A Service
Data Sheet entitled "Safe Handling of Used Motor Oils" is available on request from you Imperial Oil Representative. Please refer
to our Imperial Oil Material Safety Data Sheet for further information.

5w30: MOBIL 1 5W-30 is manufactured from high quality synthetic base oil, carefully blended with selected additives. As with all
petroleum products, good personal hygiene and careful handling should always be practiced. Avoid prolonged contact to skin,
splashing into the eyes, ingestion or vapour inhalation. Special care is also recommended in handling used motor oils. A Service
Data Sheet entitled "Safe Handling of Used Motor Oils" is available on request from you Imperial Oil Representative. Please refer
to our Imperial Oil Material Safety Data Sheet for further information.

i guess im weary because of castrol syntec's label as a synthetic... im surprised they would put different disclaimers though if they are both pao based.

[RTexasF]

They seem to conflict even within their own statements. It is thought that some of M1's oils are Group lll but their own statements contradict each other. Group lll oils have proven themselves to be excellent so it is not a concern but the directly opposite statements above are indeed confusing. I would still stick with 5W20 or 0W20.

[hondaracermd]

yeah ill stick with 5w20 in the av6. will probably put in the mobil 1 after ive done 4000 miles on the factory fill, unless MM says to change it sooner. im just annoyed at the difference, and when i used grp III castrol syntec in the past the engine did not start as easily as compared to pao based mobil 1. will see how i got with mobil 1 and then maybe try PP as many have suggested.

[MotorCity Honda]

hey RTF aint it funny how Mobile either is tight lipped or seems to contradict... Kinda funny.

I agree also that I haven't read a whole lot of UOA's about the 7500...

To The OP: I also live in cold weather temperature and cold start up is a paramount.....

I've had no issues with using M1 for YEARS and thus far have had nothing but great results with MotorCraft.. with normal driving under normal conditions (remember our climates are comparable) to worry any further is nicking pitts.... With a good OCI schedule (I'm @ 5 - 5.5k) using either you'll be fine:thmsup:

[hondaracermd]

i am also in cold temperatures, thats one of the main reasons im eager to get a synthetic in my engine around 4000 miles. i was just confused and disappointed to see that m1 might not be using pao in the 5w20 oil. i dont know if we have motorcraft up here in canada, ill have to take a look. ive got a jug of m1 now, so ill try that and after maybe try PP or MC and see if i notice anything different.