snow/winter thread

[stiller fan]

sorry, had to... :D :blush: too excited about the first possible snowfall this wknd...unfortunately, rain/snow mix saturday looks to be, but some of the other forecasts are calling for straight snow monday night... :confused: hopefully they get it right... :D :cool:

[anysia]

looking forward to it myself!!! if the forecast holds true...... can't wait!!! last year in mid october it started sleeting one night and i started calling people on the phone all excited about the first frozen precip!!! :D

NOT looking forward to my tires on snowy roads though! ;)

[princess]

Not living where it snows (normally), I enjoy it when I go to it....

My family calls me to tell me all about the snow they get every year...:)

We've had a little here. In '90 & '99. It happens & rarely sticks.

[stiller fan]

i would be going insane during winter with no snow...although i will admit, by the time winter is about over, i am very much welcoming the warmer temps...it's good to have sub-zero temps every once in a while, but when they last till may with the snow, it gets a little ridiculous...

[princess]

We have cold days too! Well, maybe not by your standards... we'll have a week here & there that the highs are in the 30's with fog all day. We also have a night or 2 with a 20's!:eek: But that's only now through Jan. By Feb. the frost is sparce. By March there's usually none, unless a weird pattern comes through. The end of March is planting season. In April the tulips & daffodils arrive..... Last April we had a week of 100+ temps! That's NOT normal!

We do have seasons.... just not as long as other places, & not as extreme.:)

[stiller fan]

this is originally a winter weather forecast for the four corners region/west texas...figured that it would be fun to hear all about my family freaking out if i "altered" a few words in the txt...enjoy...

ps: the original is at top, the new one is at the bottom...

RIGINAL
Winter Weather Summary
POSTED: November 1, 2004 9:13 a.m.

Heavy Snow in Colorado..
By AccuWeather.com Meteorologist Kathy Francis


A strong upper level storm, near the Four Corners region currently, will
swing eastward over the next 12-24 hours. In the meantime, cold air has
pressed down the front range. The Denver area will pick up at least 1-3
inches of new snow over the next 24 hours, while the foothills to the
west will get a an additional 3-6 inches. The higher peaks of central
Colorado will end up with 6-12 inches of new snow by tomorrow. Several
inches can accumulate across the mountains of northern New Mexico, as
well. Tonight, rain will mix with and even go over to wet snow in the
Texas panhandle, and in easternmost New Mexico.
New snow in the Cascades will add up to at least 3-6 inches in the
Washington Cascades, and 1-3 inches in the Oregon Cascades over the next
24 hours.

"UPDATED FORECAST"


Winter Weather Summary
POSTED: November 1, 2004 9:13 a.m.

Heavy Snow in PA..
By AccuWeather.com Meteorologist Kathy Francis


A strong upper level storm, near the Three Rivers region currently, will
swing eastward over the next 12-24 hours. In the meantime, cold air has
pressed down the front range. The Pittsburgh area will pick up at least
1-3 inches of new snow over the next 24 hours, while the foothills to
the east in Lawrenceville will get a an additional 3-6 inches. The
higher peaks of Haler Heights in McKeesport will end up with 6-12 inches
of new snow by tomorrow. Several inches can accumulate across the
mountains of southern Allegheny County, as well. Tonight, rain will mix
with and even go over to wet snow in the West Virginia panhandle, and in
easternmost Allegheny County.
New snow in the Bloomfield area will add up to at least 3-6 inches in
the Pittsburgh area, and 1-3 inches in downtown over the next 24
hours.

[princess]

So did it fool them???

I just came inside after trimming, mowing & cleaning the backyard.... it's perfect weather for that here. Tomorrow after errands & a trip to the polls, I plan to wash my car. We were busy over the weekend (see "what else" thread). I did give Belle a quick bath. I snuck out while my prince was napping through a Harry Potter movie.;) I'm not so good at drying the top....but she was brown instead of red from last week's commute in the rain. Tink has some road grime too....but at least she still looks blue!!!

I need a long handled dryer too!:)

[anysia]

damn i wish that was true! :blah:

[Coil99]

Originally posted by stiller fan
possible snowfall this wknd

This weekend?! Yeeeeeek! That would be too early for me.


A friend of mine lives in Calgary and they've already had snow! :eek:

[Coil99]

P.S. The air conditioning is still on in the house. :D

[princess]

This one of the few times of the year that we don't need A/C..... although the car's will kick on when she's parked in a lot!

Early morning errands mean bun warmers are getting used! :)

[Coil99]

I'd say we are about at the end of needing the A/C. Another week or two, maybe. That's fine by me - get more fresh air in the house. :)

[stiller fan]

Originally posted by princess
So did it fool them???



hahaha, i called my mom to see if it did...she thought that it wasn't very funny... :lmao: :thmsup: :yes:

[stiller fan]

Originally posted by anysia
damn i wish that was true! :blah:

i think accuweather is calling for straight snow monday night, then mrng rain/snow before ending....will stay awake all night to see it (and play in it as well)... :jumping: :jumping: :jumping:

[stiller fan]

the only place that's NOT calling for either a rain/snow mix or straight snow is the national weather service office in pit...hell, they can't forecast anyhow...i've written a better forecast than them... :)

[anysia]

Originally posted by stiller fan
the only place that's NOT calling for either a rain/snow mix or straight snow is the national weather service office in pit...hell, they can't forecast anyhow...i've written a better forecast than them... :)

true, 99 times out of 100 they're way off!!!

but i have problems believing any forecast until the day is actually here and i see what it really does! ;)

[princess]

All weekend they said we'd be have 70's & sunshine this whole week.... this morning they're saying clouds are coming in tonight & there's a chance of rain here tomorrow! So if I do get out there & wash Tink, I'll be staying home on Wednesday! She's not that bad, but I hate to not even have her all clean & shiny for less than 24 hours!:(

[anysia]

supposed to rain later today here.... right now it's 75 and partly sunny at 11:30am. kinda warm for november..... :(

[stiller fan]

Originally posted by anysia
supposed to rain later today here.... right now it's 75 and partly sunny at 11:30am. kinda warm for november..... :(

trust me, it'll even itself out with the posbbile rain/snow or straight snow moday night/tuesday mrng... :D :yes: :jumping:

[anysia]

you better be right!!! :D

and it better not stick to the roads yet. i don't feel like dealing with that quite yet! :rolleyes:

but a nice layer on the grass would be great!!! :D

[stiller fan]

hmm, accuweather is still calling for straight snow monday night, and mrng rain/snow tuesday. weather channel, whose info never matches up, is calling for either rain/snow monday and snow showers tuesday...

[stiller fan]

the weather channel is calling for snow showers monday thru tuesday...accuweather isn't calling for anything, intellicast i think is calling for snow showers tuesday...

time to get those blizaks on... :D :yes:

[Coil99]

Are you guys really looking forward to snow? :confused: That's cool (get it?! "cool" - bwaaaaaah, haaaaa, ha, ha!!!!) if you are.

I guess I've had my fill of it. I grew up in New England and I've seen all the snow I need to see. Plus, I never really did any "snow stuff" - no skiing, snowmobiling, etc.

But, whatever floats your boat! :)

[anysia]

yep, i've lived in western pa my entire life and so far snow hasn't gotten old!

the only thing i HATE is the days after it falls and it's gets all mucky from cars and everything. but it's so pretty when it's falling!!!

i'm like a little kid when it snows! :D

(i'm bad when it rains too... i have been known to go out and play in it!!!)

[stiller fan]

Originally posted by anysia
yep, i've lived in western pa my entire life and so far snow hasn't gotten old!

the only thing i HATE is the days after it falls and it's gets all mucky from cars and everything. but it's so pretty when it's falling!!!

i'm like a little kid when it snows! :D

(i'm bad when it rains too... i have been known to go out and play in it!!!)

i always go driving when i see rain...

ps: not looking so good for snow now...only one place is calling for rain/snow, and they're not very accurate. :( :bawling: :sorry:

[stillerfanswife]

no one is as acurate as you love:D

[stiller fan]

Originally posted by stillerfanswife
no one is as acurate as you love:D

he he he, don't get me started... ;) we've already hi-jacked one thread, let's not make it two... :lmao:

[princess]

Instead of 70's & sunshine, like they said... today we have drizzle & a cold wind!

:(

[stiller fan]

of course the weather people are smoking something good, cause now they're saying no snow this wknd.......:bawling: :censored: should have known better....

now, they're calling for rain/snow next wednesday night, followed by on and off snow for next wknd... :bawling: :bawling: :bawling: :mad: :mad: :mad: :censored: :censored: :censored:

not getting my hopes up for this one....it's a "guesscast" anyway.

[princess]

Yesterday we got hail! That's rare here! Today is not going to see 60 & there's still a chance of showers.....

I am hoping for a dry Friday since it's time for us to go buy this year's tons of pellets for the fireplace. If we take my car out of the garage, then we could back the Pilot in & unload staying pretty dry. Unlike when we had the old Chevy truck, we now have to bring the ton home in 2 loads......

The snow level is down to 4000' in the mountains now. You need chains on both main routes!

[stillerfanswife]

Originally posted by stiller fan
of course the weather people are smoking something good, cause now they're saying no snow this wknd.......:bawling: :censored: should have known better....

now, they're calling for rain/snow next wednesday night, followed by on and off snow for next wknd... :bawling: :bawling: :bawling: :mad: :mad: :mad: :censored: :censored: :censored:

not getting my hopes up for this one....it's a "guesscast" anyway.


awww poor baby!!!;) don't worry the snow will be here before ya know it!!!:)

[stiller fan]

won't be here soon enough. :( :mad:

[stillerfanswife]

yeah, it seems to be that way anymore.

[anysia]

looks like maybe friday now..... won't hold my breath though! :rolleyes:

[princess]

We're supposed to get rain on Wednesday......I'm not so sure this time though.....:confused:

[stiller fan]

well, they have been calling for either rain/snow or snow showers thankgiving and friday....now, looks to be rain thursday, and light snow/snowshowers friday....

still not holding my breath.... :mad: :censored:

[stiller fan]

Snow is possible for Thanksgiving
Tuesday, November 23, 2004

By Jerome L. Sherman, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

Canadians won't be celebrating Thanksgiving, but our neighbors to the north may be sending us something to mark the holiday -- the season's first snowfall.

The National Weather Service says there is a 30 percent chance of snow Thursday in the Pittsburgh region.

After a steady rain soaks the area Wednesday night and early Thursday morning, a cold front will move in from Canada, causing temperatures to drop.

"In the morning, it won't feel that cold. But, by the afternoon, that cold air will come in," said Jon Pacheco, a meteorologist with AccuWeather in State College. "It will start to feel like winter."

Pacheco said the temperature could fall to the mid-20s Thursday night, causing any leftover precipitation to turn to snow.

That would be below normal for the region around Thanksgiving, which usually sees temperatures in the 30s and 40s.

The all-time low for the holiday came in 1950, when the temperature hit 7 degrees at the airport.

Rain or snow may also fall over the weekend, said Russell DeMaris, a meteorologist with the National Weather Service. He said he couldn't make any predictions about accumulation this far in advance.

The snow predictions are not likely to jump-start the ski season. November has had mild temperatures and lots of rain, meaning the ground at local ski resorts probably will not have the solid, frozen base needed to hold snow, according to Bob Duppstadt, manager of public relations at Seven Springs Mountain Resort in Somerset County.

"We always target Thanksgiving as our opening weekend, but I think it's a long shot," Duppstadt said. "We're gearing up to make snow and open as soon as possible."

[princess]

Hope you get some!

I've been whining about our cold nights ...in the 30's. But it's been dry. We haven't even had fog this week. I'l come back for the traveleres over the weekend though...I'm sure of it! Our son will be coming in from Sacramento, soI'll have to worry about him driving in the fog.... kinda the standard this time of year.:)

We haven't actually had frost yet though... it hasn't stayed below 32 for long enough. We will.

Over on the coast where Benj is, it stays in the 50's & 60's all year long. With a few days maybe 70's in the Summer & they MIGHT get frost once during the Winter. It HAS actually snowed in SF a couple of times! Here, we get a tiny bit every few years. :)

[jbuffethed]

Tomorrows high is 28 & lo 17, but no snow yet. We are supposed to be getting some Thurs, but will probably melt like it did last time. It is odd that we have had any snow yet and its almost Dec

[stiller fan]

ok, still looking for rain/snow showers thansgiving day and snow showers at night.....i'm beginning to get hopeful.... :)

[princess]

The fog is back! There's about 50 ft. to the fence....behind it is foothills & Mt. Diablo.....most of the time!

Again in the 30's last night.....later we may be nearly 60, if it burns off like yesterday. I may be mowing the backyard in the fog!:)

[stillerfanswife]

wow, nice pool princess!!!!:D :cool: :up: :yes: :thmsup: :notworthy

it's a dreary day here in Pittsburgh as usual. :(

[stiller fan]

mine's better.....:joker: :banana: :jumping: :lmao: :thmsup:

[jbuffethed]

we hit 12 today, woohoo

[anysia]

Originally posted by jbuffethed
we hit 12 today, woohoo


any snow today?

12 must be hard for a floridian! ;)

[stiller fan]

Originally posted by anysia
any snow today?

12 must be hard for a floridian! ;)

but, about normal for us.... :D

[princess]

12? Oh my! :eek:

I'd be a popsicle! A whiny one at that!:(

[stillerfanswife]

:lmao:


try standing at the bus stop in weather that is like 20 below 0 and horrific winds:eek:

i can't tolerate the cold!!:boohoo: :blush: <------ plus it makes me skin all red

[princess]

The sun came out! It's now 54!!:D

[stillerfanswife]

only 54 degrees?


it's nice and soggy here as usual, :rolleyes:

[jbuffethed]

12 isnt bad if there is no wind. Here is a pic of what we got last night, but it all melted.

[anysia]

we're getting snow now!!! been flurrying ona nd off all day and seems to have picked up into a few snow showers now!! there's a light dusting on some things outside!!! :D

[jbuffethed]

We got another 2 inches last night. I love a clean blanket of snow covering everthing.

[anysia]

our dusting from yesterday was all gone by 6 this morning when i was coming into work.... :(

[jbuffethed]

Originally posted by stillerfanswife
:lmao:


try standing at the bus stop in weather that is like 20 below 0 and horrific winds:eek:


i can't tolerate the cold!!:boohoo: :blush: <------ plus it makes me skin all red

Last Jan it got down to -30 and was -60 with the wind. Your skin will burn in minutes if you dont have it covered. I was brushing snow off my car with my barehand, was so cold my wedding ring flew off my hand and had to find it in the snow.

[princess]

Oh burr.....that's COLD!!:eek:

[princess]

The north bay area DID get down in the 20's as predicted....we didn't we styaed in the 30's....barely!

The pond didn't freeze! It will sometime this Winter though.

Today I'm burning wood outside...seems like a waste, but one fireplaceis pellet & the other gas. I need to get rid of some scaps.

Right now it's sunny & about 50. I'm trying to get this done before the winds pick up again!

[princess]

It's been down to freezing with fog here at night for about a week now.... today's high is supposed to stay in the 40's! I know it's nothing like what some of you have....but for us, it's COLD!!

I'll be out in it. I have a couple more things to pick up for my prince....then shopping is completely done. I also need to deliver some gifts. We spent yesterday making & dipping fudge. The boys made cookies on Sat. 'Tis the season!!

[anysia]

yeah, it was a whopping 1 degree outside this morning when i woke up!! :eek: made for some icy roads this morning! not too bad, but i still need to get some practice in these conditions in a stick.

i'm wondering why the parking lot people didn't bother to salt the ice skating rink that they claim is a parking lot???? :rolleyes:

[stiller fan]

URGENT - WINTER WEATHER MESSAGE
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE CLEVELAND OH
243 PM EST TUE DEC 21 2004

.A SLOW MOVING COLD FRONT WILL BECOME NEARLY STATIONARY ON WEDNESDAY
ACROSS EASTERN OHIO AS A LOW PRESSURE SYSTEM DEVELOPS ALONG THE FRONT
FARTHER SOUTH IN THE LOWER MISSISSIPPI VALLEY. THE LOW PRESSURE AREA
WILL MOVE NORTH ALONG THE FRONT ACROSS THE EASTERN BORDER OF OHIO
WEDNESDAY NIGHT AND THURSDAY AND SPREAD ABUNDANT MOISTURE NORTHWARD.

OHZ008>013-017>021-027>031-036>038-047-240000-
ASHLAND OH-CRAWFORD OH-CUYAHOGA OH-ERIE OH-GEAUGA OH-HAN**** OH-
HOLMES OH-HURON OH-KNOX OH-LAKE OH-LORAIN OH-MARION OH-MEDINA OH-
MORROW OH-RICHLAND OH-SANDUSKY OH-SENECA OH-SUMMIT OH-WAYNE OH-
WYANDOT OH-
INCLUDING THE CITIES OF...AKRON...ASHLAND...BUCYRUS...CHARDON...
CLEVELAND...ELYRIA...FINDLAY...FOSTORIA...FREMONT. ..LORAIN...
MANSFIELD...MARION...MEDINA...MILLERSBURG...MOUNT GILEAD...
MOUNT VERNON...NORWALK...PAINESVILLE...SANDUSKY...TIFFIN ...
UPPER SANDUSKY AND WOOSTER
243 PM EST TUE DEC 21 2004

...WINTER STORM WARNING IN EFFECT FROM 9 AM WEDNESDAY TO 7 PM EST
THURSDAY...

THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE IN CLEVELAND OH HAS ISSUED A WINTER
STORM WARNING.

SNOW IS EXPECTED TO DEVELOP WEDNESDAY MORNING ACROSS WESTERN AND
NORTHERN OHIO AND BECOME HEAVIER DURING THE AFTERNOON. THE SNOW WILL
CONTINUE WEDNESDAY NIGHT AND MOST OF THURSDAY WITH THE HEAVIEST
SNOWFALL EXPECTED FROM MIDNIGHT THURSDAY UNTIL NOON THURSDAY.

FOUR TO 8 INCHES OF ACCUMULATION IS EXPECTED WEDNESDAY AND ANOTHER 4
TO 8 INCHES OF ACCUMULATION IS EXPECTED ON THURSDAY. THE
LARGEST ACCUMULATION IS EXPECTED FROM CLEVELAND TO MANSFIELD TO
MARION WHERE A STORM TOTAL OF 8 TO 16 INCHES IS POSSIBLE. WINDS WILL
INCREASE ON THURSDAY TO 15 TO 25 MPH AND PRODUCE CONSIDERABLE BLOWING
AND DRIFTING SNOW.

[jbuffethed]

Here yah go, our high wed is 3 and low -12. Dont mind the inside 57F, the thermometer sits by the window

[Inspector1]

stillerfan, This is like a major weather event for the local weather guru's .... "Holiday Storm 2004" .... They even gave it a name:yes:
We are getting precip now in the form of Freezing rain(The new buzz words are "Ice pellets":lmao: :lmao: ) These guy's just crack me up!!!
I have to go out about 9 or 10 and go to downtown Cincy.
I'll get some pictures and test the shoes;)

I1:)

Heres a couple at 8AM

[Inspector1]

"" Ice Pellets """:dunno: From the Great Snow Bunny in the sky?:joker: :joker:

[04EXNavi]

The weather people here have been almost wetting themselves on the air as they talk about this storm...they were saying we should have ice pellets and sleet until tonight, but it already changed over to snow about an hour ago. Depending on which tv channel I watch, Columbus should get between 6 and 14 inches by the end of tomorrow. Cinci is supposed to get it worse than us.

I'm just drinking my am coffee, watching out the office window for the first accident of the day...

[stiller fan]

i1,

from what i see in the pics, that would be ice pellets (sleet)...the navy calls it ice pellets...what i can't stand is when someone calls it hail!!! :headbash:

[Inspector1]

Here's a picture from 4PM Thursday..... It started raining Tuesday night and then changed over to freezing rain(ice pellets) about 2" then about 4" of snow then about 3" ice pellets then 1" snow.
My power went out at @3AM this morning , woke up to a 60F house. It came on @ 4PM this afternoon.

I1:)

[jbuffethed]

We still barely have any snow, but we did hit -15 last night. I havent had a white Christmas in at least 15yrs.:( . Thought I would get one being where I am.

[anysia]

i want a white xmas... looks like we'll have our typical very light dusting of snow.

how did ohio get slammed with so much snow, yet western pa got heavy rain instead?? :bawling: (i mean i know how, but why??? i wanted a nice ice/snow storm so i could viably call off of work tomorrow too!!!)

[Inspector1]

We are looking at 0 F tonight and -15/20 tomorrow night with the snow cover..
I live east of the city so we didn't get the snow that people in Indiana and the along the state line got.. 22" to 31"

The county that Cincy is in Hamilton and Butler county just north of the city had level 3 snow emergencies today(only emergency vehicles on the road or you can be ticketed for driving).

I was just on one of the detailing forums and another cincy area guy had his carport collapse on both vehicles:mad: from the weight of the snow and ice.

I1:)

[stevel]

finally snow on christmas morning.

[stevel]

wrong picture... shoot.

[Inspector1]

Cool!!! Your having a white Christmas....

I1:)

[jbuffethed]

Heres our snow. Whoops wrong one, lol just playing. Isnt he a cutie!

[jbuffethed]

We werent supposed to have any snow for Christmas day, but its coming down pretty good. About 1-2". Hope you all have a Merry Christmas

[anysia]

aw!! his first xmas and it's an unexpectedly white one! :D enjoy!!

[fearlessfreap24]

we are having a wet christmas. that is as close as we will get to white.:D

[according2me]

Believe it or not, the New Orleans area had a White Christmas for the first time in 50 years. I missed it because we went to visit our daughter in N. La.

By the time we returned, it had all melted. My older son saved us some in the fridge.

:bawling:

[stiller fan]

:lmao:

[princess]

We had sunshine after a bit of fog in the early morning..... it was about 50 degrees. Today is rain & wind..... I washed my car..... & need to do errands...:(

[stiller fan]

at the rate this winter is going, i'll be lucky if i see my "green" car by june...all the salt and such is making it look awful....not to mention the developing rust around the oh-so-typical rear wheelwells.... :( :eek:

[anysia]

amazingly my car is still kinda shiny from saturday's bath i gave it! ;)

[according2me]

stiller fan...wasn't it you I kept reading about who was praying for the white stuff.

Be careful what you wish for!!!!!! :^)

[stiller fan]

yeah....white stuff=snow, not honda-killing salt....:(

edit: you gotta remember how old my car is....it has just started to rustaway last year, and i wanna hold off on the repairs for as long as possible if i can....

[04EXNavi]

I just wanted to say, the 7th Gen Accords are kick %&! in the snow and ice. This was the worst winter storm we've had in Ohio in many years, and this car just rolls on through. It's got just enough weight to get through the snow without bouncing along the top, but still light enough to handle well. Perfect balance. And it has never hinted at getting stuck. And this is with the stock Michelins - I can only imagine how it would be with real snow tires! Good job Honda.

[anysia]

they may be kick ass in snow, that is until you let me behind the wheel of my mt! :lmao: something tells me i better quit peeling tire and SOON. that can't possibly be a good way to keep control of the car in snow and ice!

although i have to admit on the parked snow/ice the other day, it did seem pretty confident, except at the one stop sign........ i stopped fine. but starting, well, that was shall we say, interesting. it stayed in control entirely, but i could tell the tires had next to nothing to grip! :eek:

[according2me]

On snow and ice, try starting in 2nd. Practice this a few times before you need to use it, so you don't kill the engine.

[anysia]

even on an uphill slope? i already do it alot on downhill slopes, so i can handle those! :)

it needs to snow on a weekend day, either very early or very late while the malls are closed so i can go practice in some parking lots! that's what i did when i learned how to drive (automatic). my dad would not let us drive anywhere in the snow until we spent alot of time in "safe" areas with him putting us in sketchy situations and trying to train us on how to handle it if you get into a spin, learning how to safely stop, and just in general how the car handled...

now i need to spend some quality time with my car in that same sort of way! ;) best to do it now while i still have the "beater"! :lmao:

[Inspector1]

Here's a few one week later.

[Inspector1]

It's 40 deg so it is melting slowly.......

I1:)

[anysia]

gotta love it when the driveway is clearer than the road!!! that happens way too often around here! and the road crews claim it's because it was too cold out for salt or some other lame excuse to that effect. i always want to invite them over to look at everyone's driveways and see that salt WOULD work!

:rolleyes:

[princess]

This morning the "grapevine" is closed due to snow! Thye said it's the most they've had there in years!

This is the part of Interstate 5 that runs (north/south though our whole state) that is between Bakersfeild & LA. It's only 4400 ft.

The funny thing is that it doesn't matter if our Disneyland trip is planned for Dec., Jan., or Feb. or even sometimes in Mar. it seems to always get shut down 2 weeks before we go! Our trip is planned for Jan 14th weekend!

Last year we chickened out of taking the Accord & took the Pilot. We're planning on using the Accord this time.....

[stiller fan]

if you live in the great plains states (Kansas City and surrounding area), be on the lookout for a major winter storm....snow sleet and freezing rain!!!! :( :eek: :sorry:

[princess]

I get such a laugh when the national news talks about the weather.... they just mentioned all the rain & snow in NV. They pronounce it Nev-ah-da. Locals say it Nev-aa-da. aa as in apple.

When something happens in the city nearby of Concord... They pronounce it Con-cord.... locals say Con-curd.

Anyway.... it seems to offically be Winter pretty much through out the country today! What's warm today is supposed to cold tomorrow!

The Sierras got 8' of snow. Even our local hills got snow. We just got really wet! It's only in the 40's today, just a 10 degree warm up from our night's low! Hot tea sure sounds good! We're supposed to be dry for a day or two, which means colder nights & fog....

[anysia]

shot from my front porch

[anysia]

and the neighborhood water feature (i am insane-outside with no coat or anything....)

[anysia]

and looking down my street-

[anysia]

one more looking up the steps in front of my house

(can ya tell i'm excited that it's finally snowing?? maybe i'll go make a snow man!!!! :D )

[stiller fan]

if the snow is still around this wknd, i'll take some pics of it too (along with posting my pics of the stillers game....) :banana: :D

[princess]

Although I didn't get pictures of it.... the rains down south had also made a mud slide into a boat lot.... new boats were sitting in a lake of mud!

I also didn't have the camera handy as we passed the hills simply striped with slides.... I never seen so many!

Here's the San Bernadino Mts from where we were in Anaheim.

[princess]

same mountains....

[princess]

snow on the grapevine....most had melted....

[princess]

snow at the top.... we were at the roadside rest.... temps were in the 70's...

[princess]

We saw this wall of fog as we left the roadside rest.....

[princess]

there was a 30 degree drop in temp!!! This was within about 10 minutes.....

[princess]

Opps! I forgot the Tehachepi Mts.

I'll never get over how strange it looks to see snow in the desert areas!!

Especially places that most times I'm there it's about 105 degrees!!

[princess]

Minn. City Hits 54 Degrees Below Zero


AP Photo NY3

By The Associated Press

Temperatures plummeted across the eastern half of the nation Monday, approaching an all-time record in northern Minnesota and freezing the Gulf Coast as a river of Arctic air pushed southward.

Thermometers registered a low of 54 degrees below zero at Embarrass, Minn.

``You keep living, but it gets old after a while,'' said Christine Mackai, the town clerk for the community of 691 people in northeast Minnesota.

An autopsy was planned Tuesday to determine if the frigid weather contributed to the death of a 49-year-old disabled woman found Sunday morning, at least eight hours after her motorized scooter tipped over in St. Paul, Minn., where the overnight temperature dipped to 9 below zero.

``We, all of us, defend against the cold, but able-bodied people have no appreciation for what those in wheelchairs and using other medical devices have to endure,'' St. Paul police spokesman Paul Schnell told KARE-TV.

Minnesota's record is 60 below, set on Feb. 2, 1996, in Tower, about 10 miles north of Embarrass.

The cold at Embarrass didn't stop the regular customers from getting their morning coffee at Four Corners, a cafe and gas station.

``Everybody left their cars running,'' waitress Trish Roggenbuck said. ``It was pretty much breathtaking when you walked outside.''

While below-zero readings stayed in the upper Midwest, thermometers dropped below the freezing mark all the way to the Gulf of Mexico coast.

The morning low was 28, with wind chills in the upper teens, at Mobile, Ala., Gulfport-Biloxi, Miss., and Pensacola, Fla. A hard freeze warning was in effect overnight into Tuesday morning for parts of Mississippi, the weather service said.

Mackai said Embarrass had been prepared for bitter cold as early as last Thursday. ``It only got down to 28 below, and that's nothing. That's no big deal,'' she said.

Elsewhere in northern Minnesota on Monday, Babbitt chilled to 51 below, and International Falls - which calls itself the Nation's Icebox - dropped to 44 below, the national Weather Service said. Farther south, Minneapolis-St. Paul bottomed out at a mere 11 below.

The arctic blast followed several days of subzero temperatures. Weather service meteorologist Greg Frosig in Duluth said Monday's high would still be below zero in northern Minnesota.

[stiller fan]

can't wait for all the snow this wknd....may not be able to go home cause of all of it....:D :bawling: we'll see....it'll be the fist time my car has driven in that much snow since the president's day storm of 2003....5-8 (possibly more) expected in philly, depending on the track of the storm....

[Inspector1]

Hey stillerfan we are getting some more today, almost 1.5 " today and another 1" expected by 9PM. Don't know about the one coming tomorrow night but we could get dumped on again?


I1:)

I thought inspecting cars in this kind of weather was bad;)
Never thought about installing sat-tv in the snow:D

[stiller fan]

you may see anywhere from 2-4 to 5-7 additional inches by sunday night....the next clipper is coming down the pike now, and it looks to be working with alot more moisture this time around....unlike the last one.

depending on it you stay all snow or not, you may even see brief periods of rain/frz rain/sleet mixing in as well....it just all depends on where the storm tracks....if it pass far enough to the south, all snow; closer to you, wintry mix....to the north (doubtful), mostly rain....i think that the storm is supposed to go through TN, then off the hatteras coast, eventually turning into a nor'easter...can't wait to drive in that sunday night after the game. :D :banana: :cool:

[stiller fan]

i1,

just looked at the national weather service info for your area (wilmington).....they say GENERALLY ALL SNOW NORTH OF A
BROOKVILLE IND/WILMINGTON/CHILLICOTHE LINE...WITH A MIX OF
-FZRA/PL/SN/RA FURTHER SOUTH.

but they also said, with the possible mixing of ice that you see at least 6 inches....get ready for your next test of your GD's... :D

[Inspector1]

Well I ended up with 7" of snow yesterday and we are supposed to get more tonight. They're saying 1-2 ice then snow:(
With the snow cover we might stay cold enough to just get snow.
Most of the schools are closed.

I1:)

[stiller fan]

not surprised about the schools....

btw, 4-8 in pit tomorrow, 9-12 east in the mountains, and (wow!!!!) 12-16 in philly area.... :D

norfolk?: frz rain, then rain, then frz rain/sleet/snow....expecting 6 inches as well.....:eek: :D

ahhhh, the first nor'easter of the season....

funny thing is, i am taking my brother to the dentist in the mrng, then going to the mall, picking up my buddy, trying to pry my mother's b/f outta the house for snow driving lessons.....i have a full plate tomorrow, all with the snow coming down like mad...CAN'T WAIT!!!! :banana: :D :thmsup: :drink: :yes::cool:

[Sprocket]

Nice Stang... somewhere under there...

[my1staccord]

Stiller come up my way!! Because of you doing your snow dance, we are expecting 20 -24" tonight into tomorrow. I will be thinking of you tomorrow while I try to shovel out of this blizzard!!

[jbuffethed]

This is a pic from yesterday. It was windy and snowing a bit. I went into my dentist appt get out 45mins later and this is what it was like. Visibility was crap, maybe 100yds and I almost got stuck in the parking lot.

[Coil99]

Starting to get some very light flurries in East Tenn about now - 7:00pm.


It started off this morning in the 50s and is expected to head down to the teens tonight. They're predicting some snow later tonight and tomorrow. Hopefully not much.

[Inspector1]

Originally posted by Sprocket
Nice Stang... somewhere under there...

It's funny you mention it. My neighboor is an F&I guy at a dealer and he picks that to drive in snow?? His wife was driving his demo
05 F150 4x4. I guess her new Freestyle was in for service.:D

I1:)

[Coil99]

Yeek. :eek: :shock:

I just saw 17deg tonight; 28deg tomorrow; and then 16deg tomorrow night. That's dang cold for East Tenn.

Unfortunately, houses around here aren't insulated all that well. I can feel the big heating bill coming on...

[Coil99]

Hmmmm. I wonder how the snow will affect the two games tomorrow. :confused:

[anysia]

Originally posted by Coil99
Hmmmm. I wonder how the snow will affect the two games tomorrow. :confused:

in pgh, doubt it will affect anything much!! got 2 well-seasoned teams out there in this weather between pitt and ne! ;)

[OwAce]

dont u love the sandy kinda snow that forms like sand dunes.

one side of my car is completely clean as in the rest of it, but the side that is shielded from the wind has about 4-6 inches of snow ON THE VERTICAL SIDE of the car...
its so funny

some cars in our parking garage have 4 inches of snow on them while some in the open have none cos the snow is coming in sideways

i love it

on a secondary note, i fially had my first snow collison today with a snow bank..

i now know the dangers of snow and will drive a lot safer,
thank god it was my roomies corolla and it will only cost a 100 diy to fix.

[Dave]

we are getting buried here. already have about 2 feet out there now and it looks like it will still be blowing most of the day.

[Dave]

just took this pic of the back yard. can see the picnic table just below the middle of the pic. snow is deeper out front from the drifts. i'll post a pic of that later. trying to thaw out from shoveling. had to drive the GF to work this morning.

[my1staccord]

heres a couple from my area!!

[my1staccord]

here is my girlfriends jeep, we have not shoveled at all. The snow is being blown all over the place.

[stevel]

he likes the snow.

[stevel]

streets cleared early. :)

[anysia]

lucky guys!!

we ended up getting too much a mix during the heart of it all yesterday morning and it kept the totals pretty low for me. nothing exciting to post any pics about!

the snow has a nice crusty layer under a small 1/2 inch-1 inch coating of powder thanks to the mix yesterday! :rolleyes:

hopefully the plow and salt truck roll thru here soon. i'd like to get out of the house sometime before the playoff game today! ;)

[stiller fan]

well, officially, we had about 3-5 inches (including last night)....if we didn't have that frz drizzle/sleet yesterday, we would have had two more inches.....

didn't realize how sucky my back tires were in the snow til yesterday....slid sideways about 4 times going around bends....:rolleyes: if there was still more winter left, i would chage out the all seasons for GD's....:rolleyes:

[anysia]

aleast your tires aren't so bad that you slid on slush on a straight away doing 10 mph...... :rolleyes:

[Dave]

looks like its finally winding down. the plow guy was nice enough to not plow me in. heres a couple more shots.

[Dave]

looks like the worst is over. the plow was nice enough to not plow me in. maybe cause we are the only ones that have dug out. one of the joys of the medical profession. no snow days.

[Coil99]

Originally posted by anysia
in pgh, doubt it will affect anything much!! got 2 well-seasoned teams out there in this weather between pitt and ne! ;)

I meant would it affect the fans - not so much the teams. Would the fans be able to get there, would the seats be snowed in, etc.


But from what I see on the tee-vee, PA wasn't hit as bad as it could have been.


And from the looks of the first game, the fans in the stand were happy.

[Coil99]

Wow - some crazy pictures of the snow in Mass posted on here. Mass was hit pretty hard.


My wife and I are from Mass, so we've heard the details and viewed some of the digital pictures...not pretty up there at all. Good luck with it!

[BK6SPD]

http://www.rnews.com/Story.cfm?ID=24078&rnews_story_type=18

They are using a special formulated salt here that works in low temperatures, as if plain salt wasn't bad enough!. According to the article it is "non corrosive" I would think that anything that speeds up the activation process of salt would make it worse. And while I'm on this topic, I have heard of many people who do not even wash their car when it's below say.. 15 degrees because everytime you get the salt wet; it activates it. It makes sense to me. plus everytime you wash your car your "polishing" the salt granules right into your paint. So I would think that "less washing is better" in extreme temps.

[Inspector1]

They use salt primarily here in SW Ohio.
I wash my car as often as possible to remove salt build up , because it will get wet again when you drive.
If you use the proper technique when washing you will minimize the possibility of marring your finish.
I believe that keeping the finish clean and protected are the most important things you can do for your paint.
When temps dip below 0 I still will stop at the car wash and spray my car down with Rinse Only and then drive home(only .2M)
then finish with QEW or Spray and Wipe alternating between the 2 and using WAUD(Wax as u dry) when I do QEW(quick and easy wash). It also helps when you have a heated garage.;)
I am still experimenting with different sealers and waxes on the Accord.
The MPV has only had about 4 washes since early December and
looks great with treatments of 4StarUGE (Ultimate Gloss Enhancer-a quick detail spray for Acrylics and Polymers) on top of the Klasse AIO/SGx3.

I1:)

[stiller fan]

:D

MODELS AND LONG RANGE STUFF....R. GUARINO...FRI FEB 25, 4:30 AM
EURO SAYS BIG STORM POSSIBLE !


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ONE STORM---ONE MODEL---ONE FORECAST..4:30am FRIDAY....
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Just like the Eagles Motto this past season it will all come down to the BIG ONE. Could this be the Superbowl of storms? It has a chance to go down as one we'll talk about for awhile like 1993, 1996 and 2003 !
LET US COMPARE LE MODELS
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Out of all the models the ECMWF (euro) has been very consistent. This has been the case most of the winter when we are 3-6 days out with this model. It does a 1996 track including the LOW at 28.93". That is a minimal Category 1 on the hurricane scale (winds 50-75mph). The '96 track...this is a great site, check it out ! (http://www.njfreeways.com/weather/07-Jan-96-SeaLevelPressure.html ) shows a 992mb placement vs. a 980mb for this storm. The tracks are very, very close but the Euro says this will be stronger. Back in 1996 the surface map showed a HIGH elongated over Canada with a 1036mb high hanging back over Northern Plains. This was when the LOW was developing just East of Savannah GA at a weak 1004mb. The Euro for Monday says 1022 high elongated over Canada and a weaker 1018 high over the Northern Plains. When you are going to predict a possible storm of this magnitude you really have to go back to Climatology and past historic storms and documnet every move they made.

This time around the Euro takes the same track but here are the changes vs. 1996. Oh by the way if your memory is foggy, and mind is now at 4:00am, Philly got 28-32" of snow. This was the biggest storm in the history of our fine city.

It wants to make the LOW stronger than 1996 but the HIGHS are weaker. This could balance out being the Millibar difference of the two systems back in 1996 was 40mb west to east and 28mb to the north. This Monday the Euro says 44mb west to east and 30mb to the north. Not to confuse anyone but the basic forecasting says the more the gradient difference the bigger the storm will crank. It is almost dead on to 1996 and actually slightly stronger.

We get the EURO and 24"+ is a done deal ! I am in with 40% on this model. A word of caution here. This is a one model outlook not my forecast as of Friday morning. When I post these model summaries that is what they are, quick summaries for easy reading. Some wx boards people seem to confuse the two.

I'll do much more on the models later today but for now check out the graphics and see how each lines up for now.
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MONDAY MADDDDDDNESS ! Cali Crusher Update 2:00am Thursday
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What has changed from the post last night ? The GFS now shows the Nor'easter in full swing with the big cities in the snow and the coastal areas in the mix or rain at times. NYC and Philly would get a 8-14"+ snow storm from this system.
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CMC-GGEM Canadian
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WOW....Takes the LOW from Georgia to off the NJ coast and pops it at 985mb/29.08" 50 miles east of NJ. This is a snow for the Big cities with 12-18" of snow and a mix 30-40 miles inland from the coast to the coast.
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ECMWF...Euro time....
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Takes a 998mb LOW 75 miles SE of Wilm, NC and rides it NE and rides it out to sea. We get a good piece of this exploding 998mb LOW as it moves out.
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What I see for Monday-Tuesday
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Yeah it is 5 days out, but I am leaning toward the snow for the big cities. The NAO will do its thing and the BIG LOW today will get stuck over New Foundland as the Greenland Block has enough left to spin. The LOW near Michigan is less of a player now so I like the snow chances. Early Early call....Philly 8-16", NYC 9-18".....
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11:00 am update WEDNESDAY
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The NAM has upped the ante and now shows Philly at 7" and a good portion of the area 4"+. This track is further north & also stronger. This also means near Dover DE to Millville NJ and points east may now have a more mixed idea.
The NAM has been the best with this storm so far, so yeah, I slightly lean this way. NYC to Trenton is now also in the bigger snow with 6-7" as well. Fluff factor could even take this a bit higher. Again, this is only one model. The GFS now shows a decent snow here with 4-6" possible.
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THURSDAY SNOW .....2:00am update WED
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Ahhhh don't ya just love the last minute storms. They sneak up and can surprise you. The NAO is tanked and this is letting the storms drift more north. The models have been southern bias all winter until 48 hrs out. One of the reasons could be the mishandling of the Big Cali(California) LOWS this year. Pieces of storms have been ejected from the notorious REX block out west and this really get the models confused.

So we have another snow that should put PHL over the 22" mark for the season. The normal is 20.9" My projected winter total made back in Nov was 22-28" in Philly. The storm is rather flat but it will have an inverted trough and plenty of Pacific moisture to work in its favor.

What is an inverted trough ?

An inverted trough bulges to the north. At first it may look like a ridge, but on further inspection it is a trough. Both a trough and an inverted trough have a cyclonic (counterclockwise) flow pattern. A trough will tend to have more westerly winds associated with it while an inverted trough will tend to have more easterly winds associated with it. Tropical waves will show up as inverted troughs because they are generally south of mid-latitude high pressure and have easterly wind associated with them.

Please see THURSDAY SNOW on the site. It should be up after 9:00am. Rather than get into each model I'll just give you the totals since we are within 48 hrs of the event.
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CALI CRUSHER NEXT WEEK
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I call the next week storm the Cali Crusher for one reason ? It crushed California with tornadoes, floods mudslides and more. It was right out of "The day after tomorrow" movie.
Wow does this have great potential with the EURO model leading the way with a big snow here. The new run does a 1996 track with all the bells and whistles. The old run shows the LOW bombing out at 976 mb or 28.82 right over Philly. Now that would be rain for us but the new run in takes it more south of here and east off the NC coast. The same track as '96 but a bit stronger than 1996. Hmmmm. This is only one model but I have favored the EURO 5 days out more than the GFS. If this model were to be right on.....uhhhh 2 feet of snow my friend.

The GFS says it's weaker and wetter with no snow here as the secondary LOW forms over Michigan. The lowest it can get NAO may make the GFS wrong, very wrong. Besides, the GFS has been all over the place beyond 4 days. I'll keep an eye on it but will wait until Friday to take it more serious.

CMC-GGEM Oh Canada

Oh we see the BIG LOW at 988mb or 29.17 but place it 50 miles west of Baltimore. The crabs get churned on the Chesapeake and we see rain and wind here as the storms tracks west.

JMA---Japan Looker

Just like the GGEM but even further west and it pops the LOW big time near Orange Country in Syracuse. Rain and wind here but no snow.


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WHAT I LIKE ABOUT NEXT WEEK !
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A few things are in our favor here. One is the -4 slotted NAO. This is a very good indicator for nor'easters. It is as LOW as it can get, but is it too LOW on the scale ?

March moisture mops its way east. The Cali storm has huge moisture with it and the southern stream is ready to pop like my son waiting for Grave Digger at the monster truck show ! March is spring in the south and this allows more moisture to flow north.
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[stiller fan]

WHAT IS AGAINST US NEXT WEEK ?
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Plain and simple, it's March. Odds go against us due to longer days and less cold to tap. Storms in March are a 50/50 snow or rain hit.

NAO too low ? If the NAO is too LOW this could carve a track up the coast but inland a bit due to the cold air locked too far south. It would take a U shaped path vs. a NE path. That means the storm would circle around and head in toward us. As always, time will tell. So for now welcome to the Turbulent TEN. Ten days of fun and maybe some wild weather.

updated on 02.25.05

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bottom line: could be a record-breaking blizzard on tap for monday's rush hour....... :D 18-36" inches not out of the question........remember the '96 storm? may be worse than that... :D

east coast: if you don't have snow tires by now, get 'em......

[Inspector1]

Ok easterners check in with snow amounts.....

Southern Ohio had about 1-3" Weds night Thursday......

Dirty car ...AGAIN:mad:


I1:)

[stiller fan]

was going to wash my car wednesday, but glad that i didn't.... :yes:

5 inches at NAS Willow Grove..... :D even the PA TP was completely covered last night....... :eek: :D

[anysia]

*head spinning*

anyway....

don't knwo what the grand total was in pgh, but i know the snow hung around a bit longer than they originally predicted and we got more than the original 1-3 predicted, which was increased to 2-4 in the morning yesterday, and again increased later in the day to 3-5 or 4-6 depending on which forecast...

snow tires? in *almost* march? why?? i've lived this long! :blah: forget the slick roads and stops on steep uphill slopes or the fact that i seem to live on top of a mountain right now.... :lmao: i made it yesterday and today with no problems at all in my crappy bridgestones! ;)

but i guess i should make every attempt to get some new movies this weekend in case we manage to get any significant snowfall in pgh! :)

[princess]

Here's what the boys did today!!!

Hey, it's near 70 degrees outside! Of course, the water was only 64....:eek:

[stiller fan]

looks too warm in that last pic to be in the........


"SNOW / WINTER THREAD"[SIZE=4]


have a nice day...... :D

[princess]

That's "winter" for us.....are you saying it's only "winter" if you have snow????:joker: :)

[Inspector1]

This is what we had on Friday..

The sun is shining today @ 25F right now. I am ready for spring!!

I1 :)

[anysia]

taking pics while driving i1?? :nuts: :lmao:


that' what we had virtualy ALL of last week! yesterday was sunny and "warm" though! in the upper 30's! i was out washing my car with a t shirt and fleece jacket on! :) only in this area would upper 30's mean that kind of clothing! :biggrin:

[princess]

Although it cooled back down to the low 70's, the kids were swimming again yesterday. The pool is up to 77-78 now. I don't get in until the 80's & prefer warmer.

We should've been washing Hondas, but didn't. This week we'll be in the upper 60's & sunny till Friday.... so maybe I'll get her shined up again. She's really not bad though, just a coat of dust & pollen. If she were silver, she'd still be looking great! :D


Note to self....when I decide I'm not willing to detail my cars anymore buy a light color!! :yes:

[anysia]

i wonder i that stage ever happens though?!
(unwilling to detail cars....) :dunno:

[princess]

At some point age or health may dictate..... :dunno:

I used to wash & detail more often.... weekly was slow for me. My neighbors used to tease me about wasing the paint off my car!! The days of chrome bumpers & all was fun. :D

[anysia]

i guess at some point age may play a role! :yes:

i think my opinion also might change someday when i have a family to worry about and take care of. for now it's only me, my car, and my cat! ;)

but i've always been partial to a nice clean dark colored car! you have to love how they look when they're all shined up! :thmsup:

[stiller fan]

time to resurrect this thread hopefully one last time til october....

pit expecting rain/snow mix through the wknd..... could see accumulations too..... :banana: :nuts: :biggrin: :notworthy :naughty: :yes: :wave:

[Inspector1]

We are expecting flurries Sunday which is no big deal after having temps in the high 70's low 80's for the last week...
The big worry for me is 3-8PM today winds gusting to 60mph possible and hail 3/4" :paranoid: nooooooo....... I have a full day out in it and hopefully I can be home safe in my garage before it gets nasty!!!

I1 :)

[princess]

It's supposed to rain AGAIN this weekend....we're beginning to wonder if we're EVER going to have Spring or Summer!!!! By now we should be all golden & we're still in our Winter white!!! We'll get a warm day or 2, then another rainy front comes through..... plus there's been higher winds than normal. I'm gonna fry at DL next month!!!! :bawl:

[stiller fan]

northern ohio may see 8-12 inches of snow by sunday night..... :banana: :D :nuts: :naughty: :lmao: :jawdrop:

[princess]

Is this ever going to end?????? Another rainy weekend.....I think that BIG quake that caused the tidal wave knocked us more off our kilter than they thought! I think CA is now OR!!!! Last year at this time it was 100 degrees. We had a pool party for my birthday. Today it's going to be in the mid sixies & rainy. It's getting really old! I want sunshine. I want to play in the pool. I want my tan.

Our plans are to wash & detail my car. Not just clean, but really detail her. I washed & "touched up" the Pilot yesterday. She's also due for a real detailing.....maybe next weekend will be her turn.

[Inspector1]

At 10AM Friday it was 74 deg At 10AM Sat 34 deg brrrrrrrrr........

I1 :)

[stevel]

34 here this morning too..... 55 in the house... had to turn the heat on. :(

[Inspector1]

I turned mine on before going to bed last night....
We had over 1.5" of rain in the last 12 hrs..
It looked like you got hit pretty hard the last 2 days(rain)..Are you getting snow ??

I1 :)

[stevel]

no snow thank goodness..... some good rain storms though. supposed to get down to 28 tonight....

[stiller fan]

At 10AM Friday it was 74 deg At 10AM Sat 34 deg brrrrrrrrr........

I1 :)

:biggrin: :naughty:

enjoying the weather??? :lmao: :nuts:

[Inspector1]

:biggrin: :naughty:

enjoying the weather??? :lmao: :nuts:


At least its the Weekend and I don't have to work in it!!!!!! :yes:

I1 :)

[stiller fan]

i'm going on leave this aftn (easter vacation to pit)...... get to go through severe thunderstorms and hvy downpours in the eastern side of the state, then snow or rain/snow for the rest of the trip.....may see hail before all is said and done too!!!! :D

[anysia]

pittsburgh's weather.... for late april...... :lmao:

Issued at: 3:07 PM EDT 4/23/05, expires at: 12:00 PM EDT 4/24/05

Snow advisory remains in effect from midnight Sunday to 4 am edt monday,
Periods of snow toward late tonight through Sunday night will bring total snow accumulations of 3-6 inches by Monday morning. The warm ground may initially cause some of the snow to melt, but as temperatures drop late tonight snow will begin to accumulate.
Untreated roads will become snow covered and slippery. Motorists should exercise caution and reduce speed.

[anysia]

drunken sled riding??

why dont they sell sleds in april???? :naughty:

[stevel]

I still have a sled. :)

[princess]

Don't get the wrong idea about our neighborhood....this is VERY different!....there's been shots fired behind our house a few minutes ago... 2 batches of about 5 rounds, small calibar.... Prince was outside testing the new video camera's water proof thing in the pool at the time..... the cops were here instantly! The neighbors called us, they heard it on the police scanner..... now there's 10 or more police cars.... & helicopters flying overhead. We're all locked up tight in here. The kids went out to dinner....I told them NOT to come home for a while..... :paranoid: Sounds like Oakland!!!

[stevel]

sounds like where my dad lives... very "affluant" as he puts it, but the main road a few streets away is the boarder to very dangerous area. they occasionally hear shots in the summer when sitting by the pool.......

[anysia]

snow~too warm not sticking very well..

[anysia]

one more... maybe there will be more by morning and i can get more of this late april snow in pittsburgh!

[04EXNavi]

We had absolutely beautiful weather the last 2 weekends. This past weekend, the snow hit just in time to ruin the painting party at the new house. We never got to do a 2nd coat anywhere, the paint was taking forever to dry out because of the cold wet weather, even with the heat on in the house. Enough already!

[Inspector1]

Yes this weekend was a bummer..... :thumbsdow
At least we didn't get Cleveland's (http://www.wkyc.com/webcast/weather/) weather..... 99 schools closed today :thumbsdow

I1 :)

[anysia]

i just wish i was at work today so i could listen to everyong complain. that's funny!!! :lmao:

[stiller fan]

i'm going on leave this aftn (easter vacation to pit)...... get to go through severe thunderstorms and hvy downpours in the eastern side of the state, then snow or rain/snow for the rest of the trip.....may see hail before all is said and done too!!!! :D

oh yeah, went through a severe thurnderstorm (tail end of it) saturday aftn, and saw hail on the side of the road... :biggrin:

[princess]

:note: It's raining, it's pouring, the doggies are snoring.....

another rainy day in "sunny" CA! :boohoo:

[stiller fan]

it has been showering since i got home saturday eve....... either rain or snow showers (snow last sunday)..... :yes:

perfect weather for holy week.....week before easter.

[princess]

It's really getting old! My yards are mush & my plants are comfused!

I want sunshine & warmth!!!

[stiller fan]

go to mexico.... :yes: :D

[RTexasF]

Stiller -

California is part of Mexico! :yes:

[Inspector1]

Stiller -

California is part of Mexico! :yes:
:lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao:

I1 :thmsup:

[princess]

Sure seems like it!!! :D They're having better weather though!

[stiller fan]

bump, just for i1.... :hug: :lmao:

[princess]

OK, I'll play............


Might as well, it's still WINTER here!! We're at 30 degrees below our normal! :bawling:

[stiller fan]

87 here today in philly.... low 90's in pit this wknd (first time in three yrs)....

[princess]

We're barely breakin' 80 on the warmer days! This weekend it might rain AGAIN!! I'm sure that big quake moved us to OR!!!

[stiller fan]

isn't alaska warmer than you guys right now???

[stiller fan]

ok, checked the observations up there..... alaska is cooler than you, but not by much.... :lmao:

[anysia]

i hate heat and humidity.... must go to the pool.............. QUICK

[stiller fan]

anysia: :bawl: :bawling: :boohoo:

me: :lmao:

[princess]

I'm freezing! It's cooling down & windy! :bawl:

[stiller fan]

hmmm.... 81 and humid here.... not too bad. :cool:

[stevel]

was 95 here today..... still close to 90 now...

[anysia]

all i need to know is it's too damnhot here.... :nuts:

[princess]

If it doesn't warm up here by mid July, I'm going to have to use a tanning booth....for the VERY first time! I prefer getting a tan by being in the water!

[princess]

We MAY get a Spring!!! :banana: Still waiting on Summer! We're supposed to have a week in the 90's!! :banana: :banana: :banana: It's like end of April/begining of MAy weather! Maybe it'll be 100 on Xmas!!

I'm still convinced the BIG quake with the BIG wave made a shift that they're not telling us about! :dunno: Even the noon shadows aren't right! We've always had the pool in full sun by noon & now it still has a shadow from the house! It's like the arc of the sun has changed in relationship to our spot here! Maybe not as far off as OR, but there's something wrong! Our weather has been messed up since that quake & they did admit to a "seconds" shift on the whole planet.... so maybe it's making a bigger impact than they thought!

I'm not Chicken Little!

[stiller fan]

anyone remember the spring blizzard of '93??? :D

oh yeah, bump! :nuts:

[princess]

Nope.

But Winter of '90 was our coldest....the ground actually froze! Over Xmas our day HIGHS were in the 20'!! I hosed the driveway & the kids slid down it!! Pipes broke all over the place & the automatic sprinkers made cool ice formations!!

[stiller fan]

well, considering that you're on the west coast, i'm sure that you wouldn't remember it..... ;)

[princess]

I do remember a really nasty blizzard in Buffalo NY about 20 years ago on leap day in Feb. A neice was born in it!! :D Almost came in a taxi with the police escorting!! The mom was surprised...first kid took 3 days to arrive!!

[stiller fan]

yeah, but barely remember the winter of 85..... do know that it was real bad though.....

[andysinnh]

Not sure if this was earlier in the thread, but for those of us "old enough" in New England, the blizzard of '78 was pretty bad. I was in college at the time, and remember slogging thru 3+ feet of snow with some frat brothers only to find out Burger King was closed. :bawling:

Back in the early '70's I remember keeping a log of the snowfall amounts up here and seeing totals in the high double-digits or low triple digits for the year. Nothing close over the last couple of decades in terms of seasonal total. It was back in those early days (when cars had external antennas) that the orange ball was given out at gas stations to put on your antenna so you could see cars coming around the snowbanks.....

How old am I anyway? :lmao:

andy

[stiller fan]

i remember that the winter of 95-96 was pretty bad... lots of ice and snow..... also, winter of 98-99 (very cold)..... first year that i got my license, and needless to say, my car was impounded once (towed from an undisclosed location). :lmao: :nuts: :naughty: :yes:

[stiller fan]

i want summer to be over.....

let it be warm til halloween (60's during day), then let the bottom fall out of the temps. :D

[stiller fan]

for michNYC, and exlNAVI:

http://www.nyc-photo-gallery.com/HiRES_Blizzard-2003-Feb.htm

:naughty: :nuts: :biggrin:

[EXLNavi]

Check this out:

[EXLNavi]

Check out my back yard at my old place:

[stiller fan]

your car i assume? when?

[EXLNavi]

your car i assume? when?


February this year.

[stiller fan]

was just reviewing the climate prediction center's outlook for the next year, beginning oct05-oct06... looks to be warmer and drier than average for the west and alaska.... near to below normal temps for the eastern third of the US, along with average precipitation...... if the NAO phases right, expect more snowstorms like the ones that we had this past winter!!! (short explanation: NAO- North Atlantic Oscillation -- make a long story short, the more negative ocean numbers, the more powerful the storms become, as in nor'easters!!!!) :biggirn; :naughty: :nuts: perfect year to test out my GD tires that i'm looking to buy. :yes: :thmsup:

florida looks to be still on the wet side, but not as wet as first thought (close to average)

farmer's almanac was calling for a busy, "roller-coaster" type of winter..... lots of action going on......

[stiller fan]

alos, not looking to have much, if any, el nino conditions this year.... looks to be a neutral year..... but, that being said, with all the above-normal temps in the caribbean, that may help to develop a blocking high pressure area out west that could sit there for weeks, maybe longer. in other words, dry winter for the west overall. :nerd:

[jbuffethed]

give another months and I'll have some more pics :D

[stiller fan]

will be anxiously waiting..... :naughty: :nuts:

[stiller fan]

anyone got any pics this year from the storms in n dakota / s dakota, and the rockies???? :nuts:

[jbuffethed]

It was a wet and heavy snow. Perfect for snow forts :banana:
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y257/jbuffethed/DSC01676Small.jpg
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y257/jbuffethed/DSC01674Small.jpg

These next few didnt turn out well, or I shook the camera
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y257/jbuffethed/DSC01683Small.jpg
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y257/jbuffethed/DSC01684Small.jpg
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y257/jbuffethed/DSC01682.jpg

It has all since melted and we are back up in the 50s-60s.

[stiller fan]

congrats on the first snow of the season...... how long did it last, 2 days????

[jbuffethed]

It only snowed for a full day, then took several to melt. That ginormous snow ball (which my friend I rolled to put behind my neighbors car) is about the size of a watermelon now.

[Inspector1]

Cool pics Greg :thmsup: :thmsup:

Looks like Kyle is getting pretty big!! One year coming up here pretty soon? :)

I1 :wave:

[jbuffethed]

Yup he just turned 10months. Hes in the 90+ percentile for height. I think hes 31"+ and about 23lbs.

[stiller fan]

...winter Storm Warning Remains In Effect Until Midnight Edt
Tonight For Elevations Above 1500 Feet...
...winter Weather Advisory Remains In Effect Until Midnight Edt
Tonight For Elevations Below 1500 Feet...

A Winter Storm Warning Remains In Effect Until Midnight Edt
Tonight. A Winter Weather Advisory Remains In Effect Until
Midnight Edt Tonight.

Snow Will Continue To Fall Over Much Of The Region Late This
Afternoon And This Evening... Mixed With Rain At Times In The
Valleys Through Early Evening. Significant Snow Accumulation Of
Up To 7 Inches Has Fallen Across The Higher Terrain Of Somerset
County By Mid Afternoon. Lesser Accumulations Of 3 To 5 Inches
Have Occurred So Far From Near State Route 22...north To Bradford
And Coudersport And Eastward The Central Mountains. Widespread
Downed Tree Limbs Blocked Numerous Roads This Morning...but Most
Have Been Cleared As Of This Afternoon.

Additional Accumulations On The Order Of 1 To 3 Inches Are
Expected This Evening...mainly In The Higher Elevations. The
Heaviest Total Snow Accumulations Are Expected To Be Across The
Highest Elevations Of The Laurel Highlands...where Up To 10 Inches
Are Expected By The Time Snow Ends Late Tonight. Lower Amounts Are
Expected In The Valleys And The Mountains North Of Williamsport...
Where A Total Of 3 To 7 Inches Are Expected.

Be Prepared For Power Outages...as The Wet Snow Will Weigh On
Foliage-covered Trees...causing Downed Limbs And Power Lines. In
Addition...roads Could Become Snow Covered And Slippery...
Significantly Impacting Travel.

[princess]

Sorry guys!! Sheesh I'm whining about the low 70's here! (for the highs) The nights have been in the low 50's & a few in the high 40's...but we haven't fired up the fireplace yet! I bet we do by Halloween though!

The Sierras got a dusting the other night. My mom could see snow on the Mt's near her in NV.

[EXLNavi]

You can always count on Minot, ND to get to winter before everyone else!!

It was 44 in New Jersey today when I was going home, 46 in New York city.

[andysinnh]

Ah - winter in NH. Didn't get any here in the southern part of the state, but up to a foot up in the north country. If there's any foliage on the trees left, it'll make for some great photo ops. This was a typical winter nor'easter, except for rain and wind and no snow. Give it a month, and we'd be under about 18" right now. :yes:

andy

[RTexasF]

At LONG last it's in the 70's during the day and mid 40's at night. No air, no heat, windows open, LOVE it. Leaves haven't fallen yet but it won't be too long.

[princess]

We've got mid 60's & a little drizzle today!! :thmsup: They claim we'll do this for 3 days...then it'll be near 80 again. I love the smell of rain & have the house all open today..... sniff.....ahhh..... :yes:

[stiller fan]

love the smell of rain during the summer, but hate it when it's 40 outside, with a windchill of 20........ rain blowing sideways, making it even colder....... brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr....

BRING ON THE SNOW!!!!

[princess]

We rarely have "wind chill" factors....when we do they're enough to turn chippy into cold.... :D Today's temps are great for getting stuff done... not good for sitting still. Lucky me, it's "Cinderella duty" day! :lmao:

[EXLNavi]

The worst thing I hate about winter is the chapped lips. It's so darn dry!!

I have to use chapstick all day...

[princess]

Do you use a humidifier in your home?

I think the only time I've ever had chapped lips is when water skiiing! :lmao: They were probably sunburned... they hurt..... steered clear of salsa for a while!! :D

I never use chapsticks or creams... but I live where Winter means damp & foggy.

[EXLNavi]

Do you use a humidifier in your home?

I think the only time I've ever had chapped lips is when water skiiing! :lmao: They were probably sunburned... they hurt..... steered clear of salsa for a while!! :D

I never use chapsticks or creams... but I live where Winter means damp & foggy.

No humidifier.

It gets so dry here... I wonder how I make it out alive every spring. :lmao:

[princess]

Our breathing was better in Hawaii's humidity... :dunno: I'm wondering if I should drag out the cold air humidifier for sleeping....

As soon as we got back it was to his morning stuffies.

[SSMV6]

If it wasn't for the Nor' Easter, then there would be pretty colored leaves around here, too! All of them fell during the downpour we had these past few days!

Chapstick? I live off chapstick! I keep one in my pocket at all times even during the summer!!

[princess]

The leaves are turning here...it's a slow process. Our backyard now has cheery tree leaves on the lawn.... :thumbsdow just cleaned it on Monday.

When driving all the mixes of reds, yellows & oranges are pretty.

The spookiest natural sight to me it bare grape vines in the fog. They just look like a horror movie scene!!

[stiller fan]

AREA FORECAST DISCUSSION
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE MILWAUKEE/SULLIVAN WI
312 AM CST MON NOV 14 2005

.DISCUSSION...FCST FOCUS REMAINS ON PCPN/WIND ASSOC WITH STORM
SYSTEM FOR TUE/TUE NGT.

CONCERN IN THE NEAR TERM IS WITH SYS IN CENTRAL PLAINS. WATER
VAPOR LOOP SHOWING SOME ORGANIZATION WITH IT AND SOME COOLING
TOPS. MODELS ALL BRING THIS WAVELET ACRS LTR TODAY AND THIS EVE
WITH CHCY POPS INDICATED IN ALL MOS DATA. BUFKIT DOES TEND TO
MOISTEN SOUNDINGS UP A BIT. FEEL INCLINED TO INTRODUCE
POPS...LIKELY IN SE. H7 IS BLOSSOMING A GOOD DEAL OF OMEGA WITH
THIS FEATURE. BANKING ON BL TO WARM UP ENUF TODAY FOR PCPN TO FALL
AS RAIN. GUID H8 TEMPS SUBZERO AND THICKNESSES LOOK A BIT MIXY.

THAT WAVE SHOOTS OFF TO THE NE BY 4Z OR SO THEN SORT OF A BREAK
INDICATED...THEN MAJOR CYCLOGENESIS TO GET UNDERWAY. THIS WILL BE
THE MAIN PLAYER INTO WED. DECENT MOISTURE PROGGD TO WRAP INTO CWA
AS LOW CENTER APPCHS. WENT WITH HIGH POPS ACRS ALL OF CWA.

UPPER AIR FEATURES CONTINUE TO INDICATE HEAVIEST SNOWFALL
POTENTIAL NW OF OUR CWA...THO THERE WILL BE A CHANGEOVER FROM WEST
TO EAST LATER TUE INTO TUE NGT...THO BULK OF FORCING SHIFTS NE
WITH TIME. THE WRN CWA WILL HAVE A QUICKER CHANGEOVER AND IS
LOCATED IN A BETTER THERMAL PROFILE FOR ACCUMS THERE. FOLLOWED
BLEND OF GFS/ECMWF WITH SRN EDGE HAVING MOST IMPACT IN THE WRN AND
NW CWA AND PSBL DRY SLOT INTO THE SE CRNR.

COULD GET RATHER BLUSTERY TUE NGT WITH LOW SHIFTING OFF AND 40KTS
AT H8 NOTED.

SNOW SHOWER POTENTIAL LINGERS INTO WED MRNG IN CHILLY UPR CYCLONIC
FLOW.

---------------------------------

Today: A 30 percent chance of rain after 3pm. Mostly cloudy, with a high near 44.

Tonight: Rain likely, mainly before midnight. Cloudy, with a low around 35. Chance of precipitation is 60%.

Tuesday: Occasional rain, mixing with snow after 3pm. High around 43. Chance of precipitation is 90%.

Tuesday Night: Snow likely. Cloudy, with a low near 29. Chance of precipitation is 70%.

Wednesday: A 30 percent chance of snow showers before noon. Mostly cloudy, with a high around 31.

Wednesday Night: Partly cloudy, with a low around 18.

Thursday: Partly cloudy, with a high around 37.

Thursday Night: A chance of snow. Mostly cloudy, with a low around 22.

Friday: Partly cloudy, with a high around 37.

Friday Night: Partly cloudy, with a low near 26.

Saturday: A chance of snow showers. Mostly cloudy, with a high near 39.

Saturday Night: Scattered flurries. Mostly cloudy, with a low around 26.

Sunday: Partly cloudy, with a high around 41.

[stiller fan]

from this same storm, MN may see 6-12" from it...... :nuts:

and pit will get in on the action as well.... hoping to get some pics either in pit, or on the way back with the snow coming down..... getting snow tires tomorrow myself (payday)..... after that, start saving up for 90k service.

[EXLNavi]

They should send some here. I could use the time off... I'd just call in and work from home. :lmao:

[stiller fan]

Winter Storm Watch

URGENT - WINTER WEATHER MESSAGE
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE LA CROSSE WI
402 AM CST MON NOV 14 2005

...WINTER WEATHER TO AFFECT THE AREA TUESDAY THROUGH TUESDAY NIGHT...

.AN AREA OF LOW PRESSURE WILL STRENGTHEN AS IT MOVES THROUGH THE
PLAINS...AND THEN NORTHEAST INTO THE GREAT LAKE STATES REGION BY TUESDAY
EVENING. GULF MOISTURE WRAPPED NORTHWARD INTO AND AROUND THE LOW
PRESSURE SYSTEM WILL RESULT IN AREAS OF PRECIPITATION TO THE
NORTH AND WEST OF THE LOW CENTER. THE PRECIPITATION WILL LIKELY
START OUT AS RAIN DURING THE DAY TUESDAY...BUT THEN MIX WITH AND
EVENTUALLY CHANGE OVER TO ALL SNOW BY TUESDAY NIGHT. A SIGNIFICANT
AMOUNT OF SNOWFALL WILL BE POSSIBLE ACROSS PARTS OF IOWA...MINNESOTA
AND NORTHERN WISCONSIN. THE MOST FAVORABLE AREA FOR SIGNIFICANT
SNOWFALL CURRENTLY APPEARS TO LIE ALONG AND NORTH OF A LINE FROM
ROCHESTER MINNESOTA TO BLACK RIVER FALLS WISCONSIN. SNOWFALL
TOTALS OF 4 TO 8 INCHES WILL BE POSSIBLE ALONG AND NORTH OF THIS
LINE....WITH LESSER AMOUNTS SOUTH. IN ADDITION TO THE
SNOW...STRONG NORTHWEST WINDS WILL OCCUR ON THE BACKSIDE OF THE
DEEP LOW PRESSURE AREA...WITH WIND GUSTS TO 45 MPH POSSIBLE.
THIS MAY CAUSE SOME BLOWING SNOW AND REDUCED VISIBILITY. AS A
RESULT...A WINTER STORM WATCH IS IN EFFECT FOR TUESDAY AFTERNOON
THROUGH TUESDAY NIGHT FOR PARTS OF SOUTHEAST MINNESOTA...NORTHEAST
IOWA...AND WESTERN THROUGH NORTH CENTRAL WISCONSIN.

THE EXACT FORECAST TRACK OF THE LOW IS STILL NOT CERTAIN AT THIS
TIME. ANY SHIFT IN THE TRACK OF THE LOW WILL CAUSE A CHANGE IN
WHERE THE BEST SNOWFALL POTENTIAL WILL EXIST. STAY TUNED TO NOAA
WEATHER RADIO OR YOUR FAVORITE MEDIA OUTLET FOR THE LATEST
INFORMATION CONCERNING THIS DEVELOPING WINTER STORM.

[EXLNavi]

from this same storm, MN may see 6-12" from it...... :nuts:

and pit will get in on the action as well.... hoping to get some pics either in pit, or on the way back with the snow coming down..... getting snow tires tomorrow myself (payday)..... after that, start saving up for 90k service.


Damn... Oh well we'll get some sooner or later, I'm confident of it. I just hope it isn't a freaking blizzard all season like last year. Snow is cute one or two days but after that, fuhgeddaboudit...

[EXLNavi]

Why does NOAA send out these bulletins in ALL CAPS all the damn time?


Time to abandon the teletypewriter mentality...

[stiller fan]

:dunno:

[stiller fan]

hmmmm, possible nor'easter??? (this is for nyc, btw)

.LONG TERM (WEDNESDAY THROUGH SUNDAY)...
THE THREAT OF SHOWERS WILL CONTINUE THROUGH THE MIDWEEK PERIOD...
TAPERING OFF FROM WEST TO EAST WEDNESDAY NIGHT AS A STRONG COLD
FRONT SWEEPS THROUGH THE REGION. HIGH PRESSURE AND FAIR SKIES
RETURN THURSDAY AND APPEARS TOO DOMINATE THE LOCAL REGION THROUGH
SATURDAY. ON SUNDAY THE AREA BECOMES SANDWICHED BETWEEN A LOW
PRESSURE SYSTEM MOVING UP THE WESTERN ATLANTIC AND A COLD FRONT
EXITING THE EASTERN GREAT LAKES REGION.

[jbuffethed]

Nov 15
Snow Showers/Wind

High: 24°
Low: 6°

Windy. Flurries and snow showers early becoming more scattered later. High 24F. Winds NNW at 25 to 35 mph. Chance of snow 40%. About one inch of snow expected. Winds could occasionally gust over 40 mph.


And of all days that I have to work outside. Windchill will be around -20

[EXLNavi]

hmmmm, possible nor'easter??? (this is for nyc, btw)

.LONG TERM (WEDNESDAY THROUGH SUNDAY)...
THE THREAT OF SHOWERS WILL CONTINUE THROUGH THE MIDWEEK PERIOD...
TAPERING OFF FROM WEST TO EAST WEDNESDAY NIGHT AS A STRONG COLD
FRONT SWEEPS THROUGH THE REGION. HIGH PRESSURE AND FAIR SKIES
RETURN THURSDAY AND APPEARS TOO DOMINATE THE LOCAL REGION THROUGH
SATURDAY. ON SUNDAY THE AREA BECOMES SANDWICHED BETWEEN A LOW
PRESSURE SYSTEM MOVING UP THE WESTERN ATLANTIC AND A COLD FRONT
EXITING THE EASTERN GREAT LAKES REGION.


Possible. It's in the 60's here today...

Let's hope it's rain and not snow.

[psyshack]

I wish we could have a winter for a change. Will get down to 31f tonight if we are lucky. We havent had a good winter in years here. Must be all the hot air that comes out of OKC.

[stiller fan]

000
Fxus61 Kpbz 162004
Afdpbz

Area Forecast Discussion
National Weather Service Pittsburgh Pa
304 Pm Est Wed Nov 16 2005

.short Term (tonight Through Thursday)...
The Cold Front Has Moved To The East. Some Lingering Showers Remain
Along The Ridges But Otherwise Skies Are Just Cloudy. Temperatures
Will Fall Through The Night And Some Flurries Could Develop
Overnight.

A Few Lake Effect Snow Showers May Appear Over The Northern Tier But
Accumulations Will Be Minimal Over Our Cwa.

&&

.long Term (thursday Night Through Wednesday)...
Thursday Evening High Pressure Builds In From The West And Covers
Cwa Into Saturday. Saturday Night High Pressure Center Moves Off The
East Coast As Next Cold Front Approaches From The West. Chance Of
Pcpn Saturday Night And Sunday With Cold Front In The Area. Brief
Break Part Of Monday Before Next Front Moves Into The Area From The
Northwest Keeping Pcpn In The Forecast. Very Sharp Upper Trough Over
Eastern Usa By Mid Next Week. Gfs Has 519 Thickness Covering Cwa By
Next Wednesday. Temperatures Will Remain Below Normal For This
Period.

&&

.aviation...
Expect Vfr To Mvfr Conditions Through Tomorrow. There Could Be Some
Brief Periods Of Ifr Around Kduj And Kfkl Tonight Through Thursday
As Snow Showers May Develop.

[stiller fan]

000
Fxus61 Kctp 161932
Afdctp

Area Forecast Discussion
National Weather Service State College Pa
232 Pm Est Wed Nov 16 2005

.short Term (tonight)...

Dry Slot Will Result In Showers Tapering Off...but Given How Cold
The Airmass Is...a Few Showers Will Persist Overnight.

Sc And Lake Effect Snow Showers Will Edge Eastward Thu Am...but
Best Chc Of Lake Effect Will Be Thu Afternoon Into The Evening
Hours...as Winds Shift More To The W-nw. Since Some This Snow Will
Fall During The Aft...and Ground Is Not Real Cold...hard To See
More Than An Inch Or So...perhaps A Little More In The Far Nw
Corner Of Warren Co. Followed Mid Shift Numbers For The Most Part.
Lakes Are Quite Warm...may Be Harder To Bring Winds More To The
W-nw Than Normal. See Additional Information In Aviation Section.

&&

.long Term (thursday Through Wednesday)...

Winds Will Be A Little Slower To Shift Back To The W-sw...more
Like Late Friday Instead Of Thu Night. Not A Bad Day For
Saturday...and Much Of Sunday May Be Dry.

Complex Situation For Monday Into Wed...for Now Went With Chc/low
Chc Pops.

[stiller fan]

for harrisburg and vicinity....

000
FXUS61 KCTP 191634
AFDCTP

AREA FORECAST DISCUSSION
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE STATE COLLEGE PA
1134 AM EST SAT NOV 19 2005

.SHORT TERM (REST OF TODAY)...
NO SHORT TERM WEATHER PROBLEMS TO DEAL WITH.

FAR TOO EARLY TO CONJECTURE OVER THE MERITS OF INDIVIDUAL MODEL
RUNS FOR MONDAY AND TUESDAY...BUT CONSENSUS FORECASTS DATING 5-7
DAYS HAVE INDICATED MAJOR STORM POTENTIAL FOR THIS COMING MONDAY-
TUESDAY...AND NEW INFORMATION IS NO DIFFERENT. ASIDE FROM THE NAM
WHICH IS CURRENTLY ON ANOTHER PLANET WITH THIS UPCOMING STORM SYSTEM...
ALL SIGNS POINT TO SIGNIFICANT STORMINESS...BOTH WET AND WHITE...
AFFECTING PA LATER MONDAY THROUGH MUCH OF TUESDAY...FOLLOWED BY A
PROLONGED RETREAT INTO THE ICEBOX FOR THE THANKSGIVING HOLIDAY AND
BEYOND.

&&

.PREVIOUS DISCUSSION...
(ISSUED 200 AM EST SAT NOV 19 2005)

SHORT TERM (TODAY THROUGH SUNDAY NIGHT)...
MID CLOUDS OVER THE NRN 2/3RDS OF THE FCST AREA SHOULD BEGIN TO
MOVE NORTHWARD DURING THE PRE-DAWN HOURS. WILL THEREFORE MAKE FCST
MORE OPTIMISTIC FOR SUN TODAY. THIS (AND THE WEAK SWRLY FLOW AT
SFC) SHOULD HELP TO BOOST TEMPS TO LEVELS MUCH ABOVE YESTERDAYS
COLD READINGS. CLEAR BUT NOT AS COLD TONIGHT WITH WAA UNDERWAY. 8H
TEMPS UP TO +1 OR 2C BY SUNDAY MORNING. SUNDAY ALSO LOOKS MOSTLY
SUNNY...DESPITE THE APPCH OF A DECAYING FRONT FROM THE NNW. IT
WILL WASH OUT ALONG OUR NRN BORDER AND CAUSE LITTTLE GRIEF
LOCALLY. NO PRECIP WORRIES AT ALL THERE (OR ANYWHERE IN THE CWFA
THRU MONDAY AFTN...SEGWAY...

LONG TERM (MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY)...
PREVIOUS NIGHT/S GFS SOLUTION OF DOOM AND GLOOM MON-TUES (RAIN
TURNING TO SNOW) OVER THE FCST AREA IS GAINING SUPPORT FROM OTHER
MED RANGE MODELS...AND HPC...AS TIME DRAWS NEARER. WILL THEREFORE
BE BUMPING POPS UP CONSIDERABLY (HIGH CHCS) FOR THE MON AFTN THRU
TUESDAY TIME FRAME. WILL ALSO START TO MENTION RAIN CHANGING TO
MIX OR JUST PLAIN SNOW MON NIGHT FOR THE NWRN HALF OF THE CWFA.
THIS STORM COULD GET REALLY NASTY FOR THE REGION IF THE STORM WERE
TO TAKE A MORE-EASTWARD/COASTAL TRACK LIKE THE NAM/DGEX
SOLNS...WHICH WOULD POUR COLDER AIR INTO THE WRN MTS AND CHANGE US
OVER REALLY FAST MON NIGHT. OF COURSE...THAT IS A DRIER SOLN...TOO
- KEEPING MOST PRECIP TO OUR EAST.

WILL START TO MENTION THIS MON INTO TUES EVENT IN THE HWO DUE TO
THE IMPACT IT COULD HAVE ON HOLIDAY TRAVELS AND POTENTIAL THAT THE
GFS SOLN WORKS OUT - OR GETS WORSE THAN THAT. OVERALL...LOOKS LIKE
A MAINLY RAIN EVENT FOR THE SUSQ VALLEY...BUT RIDGE AND VALLEY
REGION AND NWRN MTS AND LAURELS COULD HAVE SIG SNOWFALL ACCUMS MON
NGHT AND TUES...AS A CLIPPER ZIPS IN FROM THE NW AND POTENTIALLY
ADDS COMPLEXITY AND LENGTH TO THE EVENT. REST OF EXTENDED
UNCHANGED WITH MANY CIPPERS TO COME BY IN FAST W/NW FLOW PAST
TUESDAY (INCLUDING ONE ON THANKSGIVING DAY).

[stiller fan]

nyc and vicinity.....