So why did I win?

[Nimoxp]

So I was driving home from work late at night and I see a white accord coupe 06-07 I4. Blasting off at each stop light as if trying to make a statement like...Don't mess with this. So I figure that car is basically my twin and decided to make sure I pulled in even at the next light. It being night i'm sure he had no idea that he was about to race another accord.

So as I figured, when the light turned green he floored it and so did I. And a little slowly but surely(as in I didnt just leave him in the dust, but at a steady paste), I pulled away from him tell I was about 2 car lengths ahead. Same thing occured 2 more times. Even letting him take a car length lead at about 50mph, I'd floor it catch up and continue to pull away.

So, i'm wondering why my car was faster. I know that each Accord won't have the exact same acceleration, but this was a bit significant. We both were the only ones in the car and had basically the same car.Both auto. coupes. I had almost a full tank of gas as well.

I was thinking maybe these were some possible reasons, or maybe not.


1. Half my gas tank happend to be filled with supreme gas. Does that contribute?

2. I have a very heavy foot and have basically been flooring the pedal constantly since I took ownership...Doesnt the Accords computer have a memory on driving style which contributes to power output?

3. I was quite late on an getting an oil change. Only significance may be that it's bad for my engine, but I am using synthetic oil.

4. My front lip actually helped with the wind Resistance.:D

5. My car is black. :lmao:

Needless to say I was feeling pretty happy, and can only imagine he drove off frustrated

[turBeau]

Maybe the "myth" about it actually running better on 93 is true!:naughty: :biggrin:

Your Vtec lobes on the intake side were probably made a little more aggressive...:banana: :paranoid:

Seriously though, maybe he was trying to manually shift it and you weren't?

[Terps_Fan]

Maybe he was letting off the gas because he was much too scared of you.

[ItsaHonda]

Street racing = :thumbsdow. Public roads are not a drag strip. Keep it on the track.

[Aviography]

Street racing = :thumbsdow. Public roads are not a drag strip. Keep it on the track.

+1.

Since it sounded like you hit top side of the 3rd gear, the speed likely reached well beyond 60 miles per hour.............

Sure wished you two irresponsible individuals were caught by the cops, cars impounded and crushed, and issued with a heavy duty traffic ticket to go with it.

Moderator(s), suggest locking this thread with a stern note that street racing discussion is not encourged or condoned on this forum.

[mwmcginn]

if it was an 05 or lower, that might tell you, they dont have the same HP.

[Nimoxp]

if it was an 05 or lower, that might tell you, they dont have the same HP.

Very true but it was indeed an 06 or 07.

[ItsaHonda]

Moderator(s), suggest locking this thread with a stern note that street racing discussion is not encourged or condoned on this forum.>>

Ditto.

[Nimoxp]

Seriously though, maybe he was trying to manually shift it and you weren't?
Nah.. if he would have it may have helped with the ability to hit higher rpms in first gear. Anyways i was still pulling in the top end. Its got me really curious though. Im gonna research this a bit.

[HondaPOD]

I think you won because he might have had big bass speakers in his car and perhaps a passenger?? Either that or you car was just really excited to show off for another Accord. :lmao:

[Nimoxp]

I think you won because he might have had big bass speakers in his car and perhaps a passenger?? Either that or you car was just really excited to show off for another Accord. :lmao:
Nope, nobody else in his car...unless he had a body in the trunk. heh. As for my car having an ego...well hadnt occured to me, but anything is possible I suppose. :-)

[XLR8]

Maybe he doesn't check his tire pressure. Maybe he drives on gravel roads so his air filter is filthy. :dunno:

As for street racing I find it hard to believe gunning it from a stop light is street racing. The only speed he mentioned was 50 mph. I usually drive 60 in a 50. Can I say that on the forums? I floor it, as do many other people who say their driving style is "spirited" what's the difference if you are being spirited on your own or when someone else is also in a "spirited" mood.

[ricallen]

As for street racing I find it hard to believe gunning it from a stop light is street racing. The only speed he mentioned was 50 mph. I usually drive 60 in a 50. Can I say that on the forums? I floor it, as do many other people who say their driving style is "spirited" what's the difference if you are being spirited on your own or when someone else is also in a "spirited" mood.

The difference is, innocent people get killed from this type of "spirited driving." Try telling that excuse to the husband/father of a mother and child who were recently killed locally from this type of "spirited" activity.

[chanke4252]

Maybe he was severely overweight, or had a dead body in the trunk, which is why he was driving so fast (to get rid of it quicker?).

[namegoeshere]

Maybe the other guy was a fat-ass?

And yes, street racing is stupid. So don't ever do it again.

[Nimoxp]

I already covered the dead body. lol. Also at the time im pretty sure my tire pressure was low. Also my ranch house happens to be on a long stretch of gravel road out here in the hill country. So i doubt its that but good ideas.

[XLR8]

Ok so how about EVERY OTHER PERSON on the forum who puts on performance mods due to "spirited" driving. People put on larger sways to take corners faster, possibly faster then they can drive. Explain that to a husband or child, give me a break. If you are going to get mad at people for "street racing" then what about people pushing their production cars on public roads and get on forums to look up performance mods to push their production cars even better. I know some people go out to the track but not every person who installs performance mods takes their car out to the track, they do it to get that little bit of performance (more speed, faster acceleration, able to take corners faster) on public roads. Get serious.

[ricallen]

Comparing people who add performance parts to their cars to those who are drag racing? Yeah, that equates.

[mwmcginn]

2. I have a very heavy foot and have basically been flooring the pedal constantly since I took ownership...Doesnt the Accords computer have a memory on driving style which contributes to power output?



You know, I was driving my car around for 2 days with the low fuel indicator on (working on getting my financing for another tank of gas) and the car felt sluggish. It seems that I remember reading that these cars actually go into an economy mode (no vtec?) when the indicator is on. Anyone else remember that, or am I making it up?

[greg-ster]

The guy was only doing 50mph...did I somehow misread a "150 mph" that was there?

[sjlee]

You know, I was driving my car around for 2 days with the low fuel indicator on (working on getting my financing for another tank of gas) and the car felt sluggish. It seems that I remember reading that these cars actually go into an economy mode (no vtec?) when the indicator is on. Anyone else remember that, or am I making it up?

I've never heard that, but it is a possibility.

There are quite a few possible explanations for why two seemingly identical cars would perform differently...

1. Other driver wasn't trying as hard.
2. Other car has a different transmission. Is yours MT? If so, then you have more HP going to the wheels than an AT. If the other car was MT, then he may have been shifting too early. With an MT, you actually have to know what you're doing to get the best performance... with an AT you just stomp on the gas.
3. Other car has mods that are actually hurting performance.

[krazyfiend]

I gotta agree, 'city racing' is pretty much negligent behavior, I left that 'spirited' type driving back in my 18 and younger days

gas is too pricey!

Street racing or spirited city driving...where stop lights are encountered (even on 50 or 55mph roadways) is idiotic ...should be kept to a Auto-X track or drag strip...

I feel so much satisfaction when a red light catches someone, who opens their car up to WOT (trying to show off or prove something) at every light/start in the city or stop & go driving. Sheesh, I must be getting old ... lol

I will admit, when I meet up with a car cruising on a 70mph speed limit Interstate, no one in site...the Valentine 1 in full effect... I will give a glance over if the car next to me is worthy, and give the coupe or sedan a nice pul from 70 up to 90 , 95 mph... but backing off if any inkling of not being in full & total control creeps up. (this is still stupid too, but I won't be a hypocrite w/o stating my own stupidity after getting on the down with street racing soap box)

The guy was only doing 50mph...did I somehow misread a "150 mph" that was there?


Flooring it up to 50 can be ticketed by cops if deemed un-safe or out of control or felt to be endangering the safety of others.... Ive heard the term, excessive display of speed or something like that thrown around ...which can be anything from squealing tires on your car/truck, doing donuts, drifts....and also flooring it. I reserve this for an open on ramp , which you can find speed limits around 45-50mph while getting on to an interstate.

Maybe someone else who is more knowledgeable can chime in on the legality.

[abailey4]

Funny thing is in VA there are more accidents and deaths caused by regular driving than street racing or spirited driving. I think there were 120 deaths in Va this year from automobiles and 10 of em might have been from street racing. Cops killed more people than street racing did! And that's a fact for anyone who wants to dispute it.

[Terps_Fan]

Funny thing is in VA there are more accidents and deaths caused by regular driving than street racing or spirited driving. I think there were 120 deaths in Va this year from automobiles and 10 of em might have been from street racing. Cops killed more people than street racing did! And that's a fact for anyone who wants to dispute it.

Yea, but how can you really tell how many were caused by so called 'spirited' driving. Street racing is generally pretty obvious to anyone around, while 'spirited' driving is not so obvious. There may not be too many accidents caused by street racing, but I be willing to bet that a much larger chunk of those accidents were caused by agressive and sprited drivers. Heck, I avoid potential accidents all the time with these type of people.

[Accordtx1]

Got to love how the thread went from "How did I win?" (technical/ mechanical) to a discussion on Street Racing...


:lurk:

[abailey4]

Yeah and I avoid accidents more often by people who drive 10 miles slower than the posted speed limit, or change lanes without looking or using their turn signal. I'm sure most people have to agree that if you've ever been in an accident or tried avoiding an accident it has been more on the part of people not knowing how to drive rather than spirited drivers. Most spirited drivers are moving so fast that you only notice them after they pass you.

[Aviography]

It's "only up to 50 MPH" this time, and it will be 60 MPH next time because ther other person is gaining on you, then it's 80 MPH because it's OK at 50 and 60, so why not just going "a little bit more".

When will it stop? When you run into someone who's turning out of a parking lot and not realizing you are coming at them at Warp speed just because you felt like proofing you are faster than the other twit?

I really want to avoid using the term "dimwits", but finding it difficult not to.............

[Nimoxp]

I've never heard that, but it is a possibility.

There are quite a few possible explanations for why two seemingly identical cars would perform differently...

1. Other driver wasn't trying as hard.
2. Other car has a different transmission. Is yours MT? If so, then you have more HP going to the wheels than an AT. If the other car was MT, then he may have been shifting too early. With an MT, you actually have to know what you're doing to get the best performance... with an AT you just stomp on the gas.
3. Other car has mods that are actually hurting performance.
We both had automatics. Your third one had crossed my mind before and is the best one mentioned thus. If that is the case, sure sucks for him.haha. Think im just gonna have to go with...My car kicks major ass.

[brobo]

it's your "performance" sticker
each adds 10hp :D

[Nimoxp]

it's your "performance" sticker
each adds 10hp :D

If I were ever to put stickers on my car, they would say "GO SPURS GO"!

[XLR8]

Comparing people who add performance parts to their cars to those who are drag racing? Yeah, that equates.

Haha, drag racing so now you are comparing exhibition of speed to drag racing? Yeah, that equates. I see people on the road doing more then 10-15 mpg over the posted speed limit and I don't see anywhere in that post by the OP where is says he was anymore than that. BUT since he reached that speed quickly and so did the guy next to him he will for sure kill someone! Why didn't I think of that? What about people that are late? Should their cars be crushed as well, should they be punished to the full extent trying to get to work because say their kid is sick and they had to wait for their spouse? It's not like they were "drag racing" down reisdential streets either. IF the speed limit was around 50 which I'm guessing it was, then someone pulling out onto that road is expecting a fast moving car. Last time I checked you can tell when someon is doing 90 versus 50.

[illgianee]

maybe the other driver was a hot girl just letting you go lol

[princess]

I have been asked to close this thread.... I will keep open so the opinions can be heard (read) about the pros & cons of what some are perceiving as "street racing".

My opinion is that a "spirited" take off & continuing well above the limit WITH CARS ON THE ROAD are completely different things.

The younger you are, mentally or physically, the more invincible you THINK you are. As we mature we realize that we actually have to share this space with other beings. The only reason less are killed by "street racing" than regular driving is because less people do it. I'm sure that if you were to take the percentages, it would be different.

My cousin was one of those kids that believe he could control his car in any situation..... as most 18 year olds do. He's dead because of it. All it takes is one bend a little too fast.

4 years ago the mother of 3 boys, 2 years old to 6 years old was coming home on Kirker Pass... (a place I take advantage of the challenge of the hill too, when it's empty) & a kid decided to drive in a spirited pattern & weave through the other cars on the road. He clipped her minivan. It sent it into the center divider....flew into the air, flipped & killed her.

The driver of the other car wasn't hurt. But he's now sitting in prison.

DON'T USE THE STREETS WHEN OTHERS ARE ON THEM TO RACE!!

Yeah, I know, it will never happen to you.


Anyone here that knows me, knows how hard it is for me to not take a challenge in my car. When I do, I use my head. Are there others using the road? Is it close to bus stops, busy shopping centers & the like? (people pull out without looking & I don't want to be the one to find them at 50 mph).

You can be a "spirited" driver & enjoy whatever your car has to offer in safer spurts. If you really think your car & driving skills are wonderful, take it to an empty spot. At least then you'd only be killing yourself, if wrong.

The smart driver knows when & where to accept a challenge.

I've been driving more years than most of you have existed & have seen enough to know any discussion here will not stop anyone here from taking the challenge on the streets....

Be smart......the challenge you face may be of your mental capacity, not how fast your car is that day.:D

[ItsaHonda]

Wow. I couldn't have said it better.

[Aviography]

Thank you, Princess, very eloquently put.

There is nothing like having someone you are close to or loved die to really give you a new found appreciation of how easily and quickly things can turn badly in a big hury.

I sincerely hope that those who are reading and replying this thread will never experience the consquence of the poor judgement as described here, it's too late when someone got hurt or killed, even if you survive the actual carnige of the accident, you will never be able to forgive yourself if you had caused injury or death to others as a result of your bravado.

If you think you are as good or better than Michael Schumacker, Mario Andretti, Dale Earnhart or countless real race car drivers, then please take it to the track, you just might be humbled at how many really good drivers are out there.

[ricallen]

Thanks for the post, princess. Very well stated.

[Phongt12]

I used to do alot of "spirited" right when I got my license, but nowadays, I can't afford to go to jail or pay a hefty fine for speeding. I have drag raced before...but me and my room mate went to the drag strip for that. He drove an RSX Type S and we bugged each other for months about who could win. Well, I ran him three times and beat him each time by 1-2 car lengths. Now that I got that out of my system, I haven't driven like that since. Maybe I'm lame, but I've got college to focus on and can't afford to end up in jail or fined thousands of dollars. :dunno:

[Aviography]

Beyond th guilt, also don't forget the criminal record that will stay with you for life if you caused a serious accident.

[sjlee]

Funny thing is in VA there are more accidents and deaths caused by regular driving than street racing or spirited driving. I think there were 120 deaths in Va this year from automobiles and 10 of em might have been from street racing. Cops killed more people than street racing did! And that's a fact for anyone who wants to dispute it.

Just because it wasn't a majority of the deaths doesn't make it any less serious. In fact, it means that there would've been 10 less deaths.

[sjlee]

Yeah and I avoid accidents more often by people who drive 10 miles slower than the posted speed limit, or change lanes without looking or using their turn signal. I'm sure most people have to agree that if you've ever been in an accident or tried avoiding an accident it has been more on the part of people not knowing how to drive rather than spirited drivers. Most spirited drivers are moving so fast that you only notice them after they pass you.

Actually, I would say that a driver that has a combination of "not knowing how to drive" and doing "spirited driving" is an accident waiting to happen.

[samsonskeg]

ill race you :) i got a 4cyl that can beat any 8cyl!!!!

[ItsaHonda]

ill race you i got a 4cyl that can beat any 8cyl!!!!
>>>

My Blazer could whup it...:D

[samsonskeg]

ill race you i got a 4cyl that can beat any 8cyl!!!!
>>>

My Blazer could whup it...:D



ill bet you 100 bucks it cant :) My 4cyl is on 2wheels:paranoid:

[Nimoxp]

ill race you :) i got a 4cyl that can beat any 8cyl!!!!

Hey!!, Your car looks exactly like the coupe I beat. That was you wasn't it.??:banana: You were down here in the Texas hill country recently wernt you.?So I already won!!:banana:

[steve20]

my stock 95 Corvette 6 speed?
0-60 in 4.8
1/4 13.2 at 110

And no, I do not street race, not because I know better, but because there are no challengers. I've won more stoplight contests with the 4cyl Accord than anything else I've driven.the losers are:

6cyl Jeep with manual trans
6cyl Toyo Camry (1996 vintage)
04 Chevy Tahoe (the wife) I had to powerbrake on this one and it was by less than 1/2 car length
6cyl Ford Explorer
too many others to remember

This isn't street racing guys-

[XLR8]

stop light challenge, smoked a kid today after school he had already beaten me back when I had the Dakota. (He drives a 2000ish dakota V8 with dual exhaust and the ram air intake hood). When I reached 10 over the speed limit I hit the brakes and brought it back down but in that short amount of time I had him by 2 lengths. Makes me laugh because he instigated it, not me.

[Nimoxp]

stop light challenge, smoked a kid today after school he had already beaten me back when I had the Dakota. (He drives a 2000ish dakota V8 with dual exhaust and the ram air intake hood). When I reached 10 over the speed limit I hit the brakes and brought it back down but in that short amount of time I had him by 2 lengths. Makes me laugh because he instigated it, not me.

Nice Kill. Everyone under estimates the name "Accord".

[samsonskeg]

ok lets do it. Lets find a street in anchorage alaska. And street race on main public road. Ill bring my bike.


Lets aim for 2 weeks from now.

[sjlee]

my stock 95 Corvette 6 speed?
0-60 in 4.8
1/4 13.2 at 110


Yes, his bike will "kill" your Vette... that is until it hits its top speed of 160 mph.

0-60 mph: 3.1 sec
1/4-mile: 10.8 sec

[abailey4]

My biggest thing is why everybody in America is so concerned with issues that nobody else in the world is concerned about. In Europe on the famous Autobahn "spirited driving" is pretty much provoked with the roads and speed limit yet they have a lower accident rating and death rate than we do. I think the main thing is people actually knowing how to drive and like Princess said being smart about when to take a challenge. With my schedule I'm at work by 9Am and dont get off til 9pm. By then the highway is pretty much completely clear on my 20 mile trip home. I guess that's why I have a different perception than everybody else. And obviously society isnt that concerned about spirited driving because every year there's a car put into production that has an ungodly amount of horsepower. Where in this country besides like Arizona and other wide open states can you use 500HP? Then why make it? If this was a true issue I think society would rise up and stand up against car makers just like they did for more gas efficient vehicles. This is the era of super cars and speed. Just like this is the era or steroids in sports. You just gotta deal with it.

[sjlee]

My biggest thing is why everybody in America is so concerned with issues that nobody else in the world is concerned about. In Europe on the famous Autobahn "spirited driving" is pretty much provoked with the roads and speed limit yet they have a lower accident rating and death rate than we do. I think the main thing is people actually knowing how to drive and like Princess said being smart about when to take a challenge. With my schedule I'm at work by 9Am and dont get off til 9pm. By then the highway is pretty much completely clear on my 20 mile trip home. I guess that's why I have a different perception than everybody else. And obviously society isnt that concerned about spirited driving because every year there's a car put into production that has an ungodly amount of horsepower. Where in this country besides like Arizona and other wide open states can you use 500HP? Then why make it? If this was a true issue I think society would rise up and stand up against car makers just like they did for more gas efficient vehicles. This is the era of super cars and speed. Just like this is the era or steroids in sports. You just gotta deal with it.

You can't really compare US drivers with European drivers. Their roads (like the Autobahn) are designed for high speed driving and are maintained much better than the roads around here. Because of that, most drivers on the road are not used to high speed driving... which means that they become an obstacle on the road. You definitely won't find an 80-year-old lady driving 45 on the Autobahn.

By the way, having high HP production cars on the road isn't exactly a new thing... there've been cars around with high HP since the 50s... granted they weren't nearly as efficient nor as safe as what we have today.

[abailey4]

I see what you're saying. But the second part of your statement is exactly my point. High horse power cars have always been around and it seems as though nobody had a problem with it back then and like you said the cars back then are no where near as safe or efficient. Speed to my knowledge has always been apart of our culture, it's just more known now. It definitely wouldnt have been strange to see a Stang and Camaro going at it down the main strip of some town back in the 60's and 70's. So why is it so odd and ridiculous now? Especially when like you said the cars are safer.

[sjlee]

I see what you're saying. But the second part of your statement is exactly my point. High horse power cars have always been around and it seems as though nobody had a problem with it back then and like you said the cars back then are no where near as safe or efficient. Speed to my knowledge has always been apart of our culture, it's just more known now. It definitely wouldnt have been strange to see a Stang and Camaro going at it down the main strip of some town back in the 60's and 70's. So why is it so odd and ridiculous now? Especially when like you said the cars are safer.

Just because the cars are safer, doesn't mean that it's safer for everyone else on the road (including pedestrians).

You are correct, street racing has been around for a long time. I don't think anyone thinks it's anymore "odd and ridiculous" now than it was back then. It's just the media hyping it up.

Granted, back then, people did it in secluded areas (yes, even then they avoided the police). Nowadays, places like that are harder to find, so people are doing it on streets that are populated. In addition, there were less cars on the road... not many teenagers had cars, unlike now. Plus those that had the cars worked on them because they couldn't afford to have them fixed by a professional. Nowadays, it's no big thing because Mom and Dad bought them the car.

In a perfect world, drivers would drive within their limitations regardless if they were driving a Mustang or a Focus and make good decisions. The reality is that some people think they are better than they really are... those are the ones that get themselves (and others) in trouble.

[bluestars80]

Just because the cars are safer, doesn't mean that it's safer for everyone else on the road (including pedestrians).

You are correct, street racing has been around for a long time. I don't think anyone thinks it's anymore "odd and ridiculous" now than it was back then. It's just the media hyping it up.

Granted, back then, people did it in secluded areas (yes, even then they avoided the police). Nowadays, places like that are harder to find, so people are doing it on streets that are populated. In addition, there were less cars on the road... not many teenagers had cars, unlike now. Plus those that had the cars worked on them because they couldn't afford to have them fixed by a professional. Nowadays, it's no big thing because Mom and Dad bought them the car.

In a perfect world, drivers would drive within their limitations regardless if they were driving a Mustang or a Focus and make good decisions. The reality is that some people think they are better than they really are... those are the ones that get themselves (and others) in trouble.

Suffice it to say I drive my 2003 I-4 a "little differently" than the 67 Chevelle 396 HP convertible I had at 16...................:lmao:

[princess]

Is there ANYONE that freely admits they "don't know how to drive"?????:dunno:

I doubt it! Yet when you're on the road how many cars do you see with most the corners rounded & banged up? Even when I park, I stay away from cars that are "moonsurfaced" or repainted!

Most accidents are no one's fault, if you ask both parties. "They" always did something wrong, "I" am always an innocent person.

So forgive me if I'm not going to trust anyone's word for their driving skills.... they could be lucky & not had an accident.... but do you know how many were caused by you? Time after time I see people weaving in & out of lanes in fairly heavy, but moving traffic. I have been the one to avoid the accidents they caused. They come out of it all smelling like a rose, but there's cars behind them that had to be excellent at avoidance skills to not get crunched.

There's always going to be people that challenge others... there's always going to be some light to light type of racing. But if you want to really know what your car has vs. the next one, take it to an empty spot! The kid in the crosswalk could be your little sister..... the lady pulling out of the shopping center, your mom.

Let's set up a senario:

YOU have seen a car around town a few times.... he likes to rev up at lights & this time you're both in the front at a red light.... it's 2:45 PM. You are on a street that has a school up about a mile. You have 3 miles of straight away, but there's 10 intersections with lights. There's shopping centers, gas stations, hamburger places.

So what do you do?:dunno:

[abailey4]

Me personally would roll the window down and say follow me to such and such backroad.

Now I dont want people to think I advocate street racing but I'm not a hypocrite so I will say that I have done it before and most likely will do it again but I am a lot smarter about it as far as when and where I do it. I just dont like when people act like one particular thing is leading to the downfall of society. Do the people that requested this thread to be locked feel just as strongly about banning cigarettes or driving while impaired. Or are these the same people I see that are mature adults getting hammered or having a drink at happy hour and then drive home or smoke cigarettes around kids. I recieved a lecture from a guy in a bar about street racing because it just happened to be the topic and then ironically after his 5th Long Island Iced tea decided to pick up his keys and drive home. Other people's vices are always the easiest to criticize.

[XLR8]

It's common sense. The place where I took on the dodge dakota was in the outer part of my town which is pretty small and the majority of it is what most people call "the sticks". You would have to be "special" to do it in a populated area, that is to RACE. I see no problem with a stoplight take off when you are going to slow down before the next stop light. And people pull out in front of me whether or not I'm doing the speed limit.

Another thing about kids getting cars and not working on them is somewhat true but don't generalize. I bought my 93 dodge dakota from my parents the day I turned 16 and put large amount of money into that truck and every chance I got I was under the hood working on it. Now I have the accord and I still do the same thing whether I'm cleaning it or doing maintenance. I now work at a Ford dealership just because I love working on cars so don't generalize and say teenagers today don't work on cars and mommy and daddy buy it for them. I find it hard to believe that there were less teenagers driving then there are now? Could be but there is also been quite the population change since then. Every person I know that is considered an "adult" in their 30's-50's I hear the stories, "I used to have this sweet chevelle, blah blah then I wrecked it." or hear stories about how fast their cars were and I know damn well they didn't take them to tracks.

[sjlee]

Another thing about kids getting cars and not working on them is somewhat true but don't generalize. I bought my 93 dodge dakota from my parents the day I turned 16 and put large amount of money into that truck and every chance I got I was under the hood working on it. Now I have the accord and I still do the same thing whether I'm cleaning it or doing maintenance. I now work at a Ford dealership just because I love working on cars so don't generalize and say teenagers today don't work on cars and mommy and daddy buy it for them. I find it hard to believe that there were less teenagers driving then there are now? Could be but there is also been quite the population change since then. Every person I know that is considered an "adult" in their 30's-50's I hear the stories, "I used to have this sweet chevelle, blah blah then I wrecked it." or hear stories about how fast their cars were and I know damn well they didn't take them to tracks.

I never said all kids, but I'm pretty confident in saying that if you poll every high school student who has their own car that most of them don't even know how to change their own oil, let alone do other work on their car. Like it or not, you are the EXCEPTION.

And yes, more teenagers are driving (their own car) now than 20 or more years ago. Take a look at the student parking lot at high schools... you'd be surprised at how many students are driving their own car. For one thing, there are more of them (as you pointed out). Secondly, there are more opportunities for kids to have a car now... whether it is because they have a part-time job or their family has money.

Considering you work at a dealership... the adults that you work with are more likely car buffs who have owned/maintained their own car since they were teenagers. If I were to ask all my co-workers, I'm guessing only a couple will have owned a muscle car in their youth.

I never had a car while I was in high school. I didn't get my first car until I finished my junior year in college. It was an '84 Chevy Celebrity... yeah... sweet ride. I'm 35 now... and I don't have stories of racing my muscle car in my teens.

[jagboy]

I never said all kids, but I'm pretty confident in saying that if you poll every high school student who has their own car that most of them don't even know how to change their own oil, let alone do other work on their car. Like it or not, you are the EXCEPTION.

He isnt the only one :)

im not suprised at all at how many teens drive in fact one of my friends have a brand new G35 coupe and the other has a bmw 335 coupe hardtop
it sucks having to park next to them in the school parking lot lol

[thesteve151]

I never said all kids, but I'm pretty confident in saying that if you poll every high school student who has their own car that most of them don't even know how to change their own oil, let alone do other work on their car. Like it or not, you are the EXCEPTION.

And yes, more teenagers are driving (their own car) now than 20 or more years ago. Take a look at the student parking lot at high schools... you'd be surprised at how many students are driving their own car. For one thing, there are more of them (as you pointed out). Secondly, there are more opportunities for kids to have a car now... whether it is because they have a part-time job or their family has money.

Considering you work at a dealership... the adults that you work with are more likely car buffs who have owned/maintained their own car since they were teenagers. If I were to ask all my co-workers, I'm guessing only a couple will have owned a muscle car in their youth.

I never had a car while I was in high school. I didn't get my first car until I finished my junior year in college. It was an '84 Chevy Celebrity... yeah... sweet ride. I'm 35 now... and I don't have stories of racing my muscle car in my teens.



ya it's sad, less than half my friends work on there own cars.

the funny thing is the ones that do take care of there own cars know how replace anything that is broken, or needs maintenance, and if they don't know they find out how to or git help from another friend:thmsup:

and i am one that has taken care of my vehicle from day one.
i was working on cars for my parents before i even had a car, i would change there oil/bulbs/filters/clean it/wax/rotate tires/brakes/plugs/wires/belts, the small stuff. they never had any major issues that weren't covered by warranty.

my first truck was a muscle truck, kinda. 94 ford Flair-Side with a lightning engine in it. it was a sweet ride, with too much power that almost got me into allot of trouble, but thankfully never did, only 1 ticket, and a few sets of tires :naughty:
I miss her:boohoo:
i am going to get another one just like it one day, or track her down if i can...