I'm really looking forward to getting an 08 accord ex-l coupe or sedan later this year but after a chat with some friends, I started thinking...

Is getting a new 08 for 25-30 grand REALLY worth it? Would something else be better, even if it's used?

My friend got an 04 v6 accord coupe ex-l for 15 grand, used... with around 35K miles. That's half of what i'm ready to pay yet I could see myself totally satisfied with his ride.

I'm really looking forward to getting an 08 accord ex-l coupe or sedan later this year but after a chat with some friends, I started thinking...

Is getting a new 08 for 25-30 grand REALLY worth it? Would something else be better, even if it's used?

My friend got an 04 v6 accord coupe ex-l for 15 grand, used... with around 35K miles. That's half of what i'm ready to pay yet I could see myself totally satisfied with his ride.

I would buy the Accord, I mean, I did buy the Accord...

You have to think that 30K will just about totally load up the V6 model, so you need to decide if you want new or used....

I would really like to get a S2000.......still a honda:dunno:

Used:

- Acura TL/TL-S
- Lexus IS 250/350
- Infiniti G35
- Subaru Legacy 2.5GT spec.B

Used 6MT V6 Sedan 7th Gen, TSX, TL (one w/o rattles), IS350, Infiniti G35.

You want a good value...an 06-07 6MT Sedan would be amazing...and you'd probably save around 5-7k off of a new one...and you'd get a superior car to the 8th gen in many ways (one is the 6MT in the Sedan).

I would go with a slightly used...but then again...I dislike the 8th Gen.

I would buy jordi's car.

In another thread the question was asked: Is this is too early to start shopping if you're not planning on buying for a few months...

If you want to see what else is out there, start shopping around now.

For poops and giggles, test drive like a mad man. First figure out at a high level what you need out of a car. 2 or 4 dr? Commuter? Something sporty? How do you use your current car now and what would you like to change?

Next, make a list of ANY car that even looks like it remotely could do what you want. Look at Altimas, Maximas, Camry, Fusion, Mazda 6, new Malibu, Sonata. Drive a few Acuras, Infinitis, and a Lexus for fun. Drive new and used. For good measure throw in a used BMW or C-Class just to see what they're like. (When considering target price, also be on the look out for how willing dealers are to deal. You could get a $34K car for $30K, $30k car for $27K or better yet a $25K car for $22. This could slightly change your target range.)

Even tho I'm 90%+ sure my next car is always a Honda, I still make the rounds to see what's out there. I did stray for a few years but I came running back. Nothing has comes close to what I want or need.

Drive, drive, and drive again. See what flicks your switch. You might be surprised what else you find.

Don't mind the 8th gen haters or the anti-(insert group here), just look at everything. Find what works for you. YOU will be the one driving the car, not a gaggle of people you know in passing over an internet forum. :yes:

Hold on and wait a year till they gets the bugs out and buy a 09 accord...

2009 Hyundai Genesis..............

Sat in one at the chicago auto show..............I know its a hyundai, but wow did they get it right.......

2009 Hyundai Genesis..............

Sat in one at the chicago auto show..............I know its a hyundai, but wow did they get it right.......

According to many sources (CR, Edmunds, JD Powers), Hyundai has it right with many cars (Elantra, Santa Fe, Veracruz, Azera). The new Genesis is going to rock the 4 door car lineup as it is one of a kind for the money...(but out of this threads price range)

You can bet there won't be any rattles in it....or road noise.

According to many sources (CR, Edmunds, JD Powers), Hyundai has it right with many cars (Elantra, Santa Fe, Veracruz, Azera). The new Genesis is going to rock the 4 door car lineup as it is one of a kind for the money...(but out of this threads price range)

You can bet there won't be any rattles in it....or road noise.

I hope it does.....I think BMW and Mercedes are terribly overpriced........:yes: Hyundais were crap in the early 90's (I owned one), but they have put billions into quality and they are a serious competitor to Toyota and Honda. And since they bought a stake in Kia, they have a large distribution network. Kind of reminds me where Honda was in the early to mid 80's............seems to me THAT experiment turned out ok...........:thmsup:

If you're patient you're willing to wait a few more months, you can probably get an 08' TL for under 30k. At the end of last year, when I was in the market for a new "near luxury" car, an Acura dealership offered me a brand new 07' TL for 29.5k before any negotiations even started.

Buy a pre-owned (vehicle) w/ extended warranty. You'll have more $$ for mod/drinks, lower insurance, and historical data to review prior 2 purchase.

I'd get the one in my profile.

According to many sources (CR, Edmunds, JD Powers), Hyundai has it right with many cars (Elantra, Santa Fe, Veracruz, Azera). The new Genesis is going to rock the 4 door car lineup as it is one of a kind for the money...(but out of this threads price range)

You can bet there won't be any rattles in it....or road noise.

I'd be careful about saying that Hyundai will produce a "rattle-free" Genesis. My wife drives a top-of-the-line Veracruz. While it's been perfect mechanically during it's first 10,000 miles, body integrity has not been a strength. It has more than it's fair share of cosmetic issues. I'm certainly not bashing Hyundai since they've made tremendous strides (enough for me to buy one!) but they aren't perfect. The Genesis is a lot of car for the money. Time will tell if America accepts it.

I say that b/c the parents have two Hyundai products (2006 Sonata and an 01 Elantra). Both are problem free and rattle free....

I say that b/c the parents have two Hyundai products (2006 Sonata and an 01 Elantra). Both are problem free and rattle free....

Does the SOnata's door close with a nice "thunk" like Honda??

In another thread the question was asked: Is this is too early to start shopping if you're not planning on buying for a few months...

If you want to see what else is out there, start shopping around now.

For poops and giggles, test drive like a mad man. First figure out at a high level what you need out of a car. 2 or 4 dr? Commuter? Something sporty? How do you use your current car now and what would you like to change?

Next, make a list of ANY car that even looks like it remotely could do what you want. Look at Altimas, Maximas, Camry, Fusion, Mazda 6, new Malibu, Sonata. Drive a few Acuras, Infinitis, and a Lexus for fun. Drive new and used. For good measure throw in a used BMW or C-Class just to see what they're like. (When considering target price, also be on the look out for how willing dealers are to deal. You could get a $34K car for $30K, $30k car for $27K or better yet a $25K car for $22. This could slightly change your target range.)

Even tho I'm 90%+ sure my next car is always a Honda, I still make the rounds to see what's out there. I did stray for a few years but I came running back. Nothing has comes close to what I want or need.

Drive, drive, and drive again. See what flicks your switch. You might be surprised what else you find.

Don't mind the 8th gen haters or the anti-(insert group here), just look at everything. Find what works for you. YOU will be the one driving the car, not a gaggle of people you know in passing over an internet forum. :yes:
amazing post ty sir

A significant part of our decision to buy another Honda was our dealership. They have been unbelievably great over the last 20 years we have been going to them. They actually had a really great VW wagon at a price we would have jumped at, but didn't want to jump ship.

Sooooo.... do you have a dealership you have a great relationship with? Do you have a group like Angie's List who allows patron's to rate a potential dealership?

Granted, if Honda didn't have a quality product the dealer wouldn't matter. Since they do, it makes dealer loyalty easy.

So shop your local dealers as well as the car:yes:

Does the SOnata's door close with a nice "thunk" like Honda??

The Sonata's doors close nicely. I am very impressed with the car so far...and so are they. The new 09 model is really amazing...I like it a lot. Venture to say the interior is way better than the 8th gen in my opinion.

Elantra...not so much...but then again..it is an 01 and was at the begining of the company's revival.

I don't consider Honda's doors to close with a nice thunk. heck...my TL's doors rattled when the window wasn't closed....hardly quality in the end.

Does the SOnata's door close with a nice "thunk" like Honda??
Honda's do?

Honda's do?

My new Accord's sure do....a lot more solid sounding than our Veracruz or Ridgeline.

25k to 30k

A lot of the used cars mention would be good.

For that money you could get into a BMW 128 with a few options. While it wont out run a Accord V6 in a straight. In a corner a Accord would ball up and kill you. :)

There are just so many possible ways to go.

a huge turnoff for the bmws is their cost of ownership

i read online how they are in the shop every month for some issue or another

owning a new honda accord means to me that i will have very little maintenance work to do

and i just have something against used cars... u just don't know how every mile was driven unless u drove em all urself.

Honestly, I would probably get a Pontiac G8 GT. :hic:

I'm not exactly sure why, but for some reason, I really like that vehicle.

Not to mention, I could really have some fun then... :naughty:

Honda's do?

Compared to my Chrysler and GM products, yes!

Compared to Toyota, Nissan or Hyundai, don't know.................:lmao:

The Nissan Altima SE falls in that price range. Bodacious V-6 and new not second hand.

a huge turnoff for the bmws is their cost of ownership

i read online how they are in the shop every month for some issue or another

owning a new honda accord means to me that i will have very little maintenance work to do

and i just have something against used cars... u just don't know how every mile was driven unless u drove em all urself.


A bmw would not be bad as they take care of the maitainence for the first years.

After the four years it could get expensive.
German cars are great but their maintainence is killer.
It seemed like every time I went to the shop it costed 500 bucks minimum.

The Nissan Altima SE falls in that price range. Bodacious V-6 or strong four cylinder.

Keep in mind that the Altima's "bodacious" V6 requires premium fuel for optimum performance. With $3.50+ premium gas in my area, that would be an immediate deal breaker.

Hold on and wait a year till they gets the bugs out and buy a 09 accord...

Bingo! 2009 Accord EX-L 6-speed coupe. I would talk them down to $500 over invoice. Best car on the market under $30K right now. Amazing looking, great performance, and full featured in the EX-L trim. Honda got it right with this new coupe. If you can deal with the less than stellar gas mileage that is the car to get.

A bmw would not be bad as they take care of the maitainence for the first years.

After the four years it could get expensive.
German cars are great but their maintainence is killer.
It seemed like every time I went to the shop it costed 500 bucks minimum.

Yep I was planning on getting a used 2005 325i but after hearing how many problems (thermostats, transmissions, balljoints, regulators, VANOS (their v-tec )) occur just out of the warranty period I axed that car. If you are used to a Honda and how reliable they are you will hate getting into a BMW.

I don't mind doing the repairs myself, but some of these things going at 50-70k miles is uncalled for. If I had to maintain a car like this, I would buy a Ford or GM product.

Keep in mind that the Altima's "bodacious" V6 requires premium fuel for optimum performance. With $3.50+ premium gas in my area, that would be an immediate deal breaker.

Premium fuel is recommended not required. You can bet your ass there's not one dealer in the US putting premium in those engines.

Premium fuel is recommended not required. You can bet your ass there's not one dealer in the US putting premium in those engines.

Even if Nissan says recommended, VQ's are made for premium, regular will ruin the engine if used the entire lenght of ownership. NIssan owners put premium every 2 to 3 fillups.

The cost difference of premium is no more expensive today than it was 10 years ago. It has always been 20 cents more....I don't understand this logic at all (I put premium in the Acura as the only fuel it would burn b/c it ran like crap on the cheap stuff).

Actually...the value is greater today b/c the percent cost delta vs cost of regular fuel is smaller today than it was a year ago. (20/320 is smaller than 20/150).

Honda still has the advantage of not using premium fuel, but the arguement that it is this super expensive blood sucking cost is not so true anymore when you assign the cost difference to numbers.

The cost difference of premium is no more expensive today than it was 10 years ago. It has always been 20 cents more....I don't understand this logic at all (I put premium in the Acura as the only fuel it would burn b/c it ran like crap on the cheap stuff).

Actually...the value is greater today b/c the percent cost delta vs cost of regular fuel is smaller today than it was a year ago. (20/320 is smaller than 20/150).

Honda still has the advantage of not using premium fuel, but the arguement that it is this super expensive blood sucking cost is not so true anymore when you assign the cost difference to numbers.
ahahaha awesome post my thoughts exactly


























anyone have any thoughts on a used (obviously) cadillac CTS?

a huge turnoff for the bmws is their cost of ownership

i read online how they are in the shop every month for some issue or another

owning a new honda accord means to me that i will have very little maintenance work to do

and i just have something against used cars... u just don't know how every mile was driven unless u drove em all urself.

50k miles bumper to bumper. With four years free maint. Everything but tires and gas.

The 5,6 and 7 series have been nightmares in the past. The Z, 3 and hopefully the 1 will be ok.

Im waiting on CR-Z to see if Honda does it right for my daily driver. Then either a G37s or the 135i for my play car. If I could get in a S2000 I would still have to wave the meatball and yell " wait up fellers " :yes:

Get the ultimate vehicle for $22K new - the Toyo Sienna. My 06 pulls like crazy with the 210HP V6, I could load half my house in it, it gets 24mpg (hwy), it has a ton of airbags and if you get in an accident you'll plow right through whatever is in your way.

$20 - $30K can get you a very nice car, and there are many great deals to be had remembering that money, well-timed and properly applied can net a fantastic result. In addition to what other stated, you may also want to consider VW (Passat, for example). Granted, these cars get a bit finicky down the road, and are high maintenance, but the 2.0T FSI engine is great. Similarly, Volvo, every now and then has great deals as well, though it may be near your $ limit.

Candidly, though, I think the 08 Accord is a heck of a deal for the offering price and should be at or near the top of your list. But, since you are not in the market to purchase tomorrow, and have 2-3 months until such time, I have two words for you: "test drive." Go with the one that makes an indelible impression.

mike.

If I lived in the US -- I would buy a 1996-8 model of the Honda civic 1.6 SE auto. It has everything you need, plus a lot of luxury items that make you feel good, and enhance the fun of owning-driving it.. :)

You can put the change in the bank toward your next item on lifes "wanted " list.. heh heh ... :) :yes: :biggrin:
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Honda Civic Si.

si? I don't think we have that here.. Top of the range is the SE here.. Lovely car though.. :)

I was going to sell My Accord and buy one but, I would have to give my Accord and approx another £1.000 for a 98 Civic SE auto, and based on the better MPG, (the Civics only advantage) it would take years to break even financialy.. So I will keep the Accord.. :dunno:
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I think y'all have the Type "R" right James?

I really like the looks of the Euro Civic! As well...the U.S. Civic SI is probably my fav. Honda product (but won't give you great mileage).

Hi Steve. We may have? but I have never heard of one? .. But then I hate the new Civics looks so only realy notice the older model they made in 1996-98 ish, according to most owners that model Civic will ave about 35 mpg.. That's not bad for a petrol auto over here :) ..

Generaly speaking, the older a car is, the more I am likely to admire it.. lol..

In my opinion, most modern cars are rather bland, and all very much alike.. :(
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Wow....much of the European vehicles I've found look a lot sharper than ours, but I think it is a Type R since I saw a review of it on Top Gear.....

I can see how you like the older stuff....plus...you save a ton of money not buying the newest and greatest thing like the rest of us morons :)

used acura tl vs new honda accord...


thoughts?

LOL here goes steven drinking that Hyundai kool aid again. Im starting to think he has stocks in Hyundai. I wont start an anti hyundai bashing post this time.

Anywho- I would get a TL or TSX...or maybe an IS or 07+ camry.

used acura tl vs new honda accord...


thoughts?

Personally, between those two, I would definitely go for the TL. Better performance, and in my opinion, MUCH better styling...

LOL here goes steven drinking that Hyundai kool aid again. Im starting to think he has stocks in Hyundai. I wont start an anti hyundai bashing post this time.

I just remember that Steve owns a TOYOTA, but sings the praises of HYUNDAI...........someday he will enlighten us on that premise...........:lmao:

I just remember that Steve owns a TOYOTA, but sings the praises of HYUNDAI...........:lmao:And is a moderator on a Honda site....:nuts:

used acura tl vs new honda accord...


thoughts?

Which Honda Accord model and what year and model TL?

I was thinking about it today. For $30,000, you could get a used BMW M3.....maybe a 2003 or so.

Wouldn't that be a great car??

I was thinking about it today. For $30,000, you could get a used BMW M3.....maybe a 2003 or so.

Wouldn't that be a great car??

I would be a great car, until you had to fix it.

Which Honda Accord model and what year and model TL?

Well, since question posted stated "new" Accord, and based on OP's past comments, I would expect an 08 MY.

mike .

I would be a great car, until you had to fix it.

True, but it would be fun leaving Accords and Evos and Subaru WSX's in your dust..............:notworthy

Does the SOnata's door close with a nice "thunk" like Honda??

The doors on my Accord seem pretty light to me (especially the rear doors), which I don't like. Sure they close with a nice thud if you slam them, but the ones on the Passat are just nicer (and much heavier). I was actually impressed with the door thud on the Sonata though.

Even if Nissan says recommended, VQ's are made for premium, regular will ruin the engine if used the entire lenght of ownership. NIssan owners put premium every 2 to 3 fillups.

This is nonsense. The ECM will automatically retard ignition timing when it detects even the slightest bit of knock. Now if we're talking about high compression Turbo engines, that's another story all together.


$20 - $30K can get you a very nice car, and there are many great deals to be had remembering that money, well-timed and properly applied can net a fantastic result. In addition to what other stated, you may also want to consider VW (Passat, for example). Granted, these cars get a bit finicky down the road, and are high maintenance, but the 2.0T FSI engine is great. Similarly, Volvo, every now and then has great deals as well, though it may be near your $ limit.

Candidly, though, I think the 08 Accord is a heck of a deal for the offering price and should be at or near the top of your list. But, since you are not in the market to purchase tomorrow, and have 2-3 months until such time, I have two words for you: "test drive." Go with the one that makes an indelible impression.

mike.

I agree. People love to hate on Volkswagen and German cars in general here, but there is certainly something to be said of them. The Passat (and Jetta) were and are benchmarks in their respective classes, setting class standards for fit and finish and safety, among other "little" features (telescoping wheel, key design). The 03-07 Accord was actually designed around the 98-05 Passat. The new B6 Passat did it once again. There are many "features" that aren't present on other cars in it's class. A Two Tiered MFA trip computer, LED tail lights with enclosed turn signal, real wood, Bi-Xenon adaptive lighting with corner lights, power folding side mirrors, Dynaudio, Hill hold, door umbrella holder/drains, the keyless entry entry fob. That's not factoring in performance, either. The standard 2.0T FSI engine (rated one of Ward's 10 Best) is simply a monster (and you can still chip the thing to unleash more), the 280hp 3.6 VR6 sings sweet tunes and the exhuast note sounds like BMW, something no Accord can say. Granted, you pay a [large] premium for these cars, but they're quality and sophistication is one step above the rest.

I'd personally want a loaded 3.6 VR6, or maybe a A4 3.2 Quatro:D If all you want is an automotive appliance that you don't have to put any worry or sweat into, you may as well write off everything designed and made in Germany.

used acura tl vs new honda accord...


thoughts?

A new TL late this summer, with all the closeout deals and discount financing that should be offered on them, may be a better value than either.

I agree. People love to hate on Volkswagen and German cars in general here, but there is certainly something to be said of them. The Passat (and Jetta) were and are benchmarks in their respective classes, setting class standards for fit and finish and safety, among other "little" features (telescoping wheel, key design). The 03-07 Accord was actually designed around the 98-05 Passat. The new B6 Passat did it once again. There are many "features" that aren't present on other cars in it's class. A Two Tiered MFA trip computer, LED tail lights with enclosed turn signal, real wood, Bi-Xenon adaptive lighting with corner lights, power folding side mirrors, Dynaudio, Hill hold, door umbrella holder/drains, the keyless entry entry fob. That's not factoring in performance, either. The standard 2.0T FSI engine (rated one of Ward's 10 Best) is simply a monster (and you can still chip the thing to unleash more), the 280hp 3.6 VR6 sings sweet tunes and the exhuast note sounds like BMW, something no Accord can say. Granted, you pay a [large] premium for these cars, but they're quality and sophistication is one step above the rest.

I'd personally want a loaded 3.6 VR6, or maybe a A4 3.2 Quatro:D If all you want is an automotive appliance that you don't have to put any worry or sweat into, you may as well write off everything designed and made in Germany.


I went by my friend's auto repair shop today to drop off some stuff for him, and they had a 2003 VW jetta on the hoist. Only 40,000 miles, and all the control arms and tie rod ends were shot. That's NOT quality............:thumbsdow

Neither are the MDXs engine mounts or Accord/TL/MDX transmissions. Point is, all manufactures have problems. I still stand by what I said about their craftsmanship. Frankly, I find it hard to argue how an Accord has higher grade interior materials than a Passat. I have both cars, and it's not comparable. I'm not going to sit here and try and argue a VW is more reliable than a Honda in general, because that's simply not the case. All I'm saying is that you can't write off the positives of the cars simply becuase they have some negatives. My car has had some problems (CV boot, 02 sensor, upper control arm bushings), but frankly at 90k those are all wear items. I still like them both, but I'll call it like I see it, and in thise case, VW gets a bad rap (respectfully so for some things), but you can't forget that all of their cars have set class standards at one time or another. The last generation Jetta and Passat were just that, game changers.

Now what I found intresting is that when I went to Germany, people regard VW as very reliable cars, cheap to repair and easy on the wallet. Not so here, no thanks to a lower parts overhead and a Euro exchange rate that would make any American cringe.

Which Honda Accord model and what year and model TL?

08/09 accord

and whatever used TL that fits in my budget... 2004? 05? 06?

New Accord.....Steven Crosby can tell you chapters about his used Acura. One of the best days of his life was when he unloaded that turd.

I just remember that Steve owns a TOYOTA, but sings the praises of HYUNDAI...........someday he will enlighten us on that premise...........:lmao:

If Hyundai made a truck....I would have looked at it (not a Honda "truck" but a real truck that I can beat up with my 900 lb atv).


I love cars....but I really love this site and the majority of people it attracts. I love pushing off the jerks that try to join the site and cause trouble, I like to help people with their car issues, and I used to really drink that Honda koolaid.

Why did I stop? Honda peed in my koolaid and gave me probably the worst Acura TL imaginable.

Why Hyundai you say? Easy....you get way more car for you money. Yeah...it might not Handle as well...but then again there are things that Hyundai does way better than Honda. Torque (down low), road noise suppression, warranty, timing chains, non stuck up dealerships, and more standard saftey equipment are some benefits to buying a Hyundai.

I love the AF and do not plan to leave it....but if I had to chose between working for Honda or Hyundai....I would engineer for Hyundai and never look back.


*Hondas are great cars....don't get me wrong.....there are just things they do that I can't stand....and they don't build a truck that meets my desires.

RTexasF:

how come the TLs aren't as reliable as the accords?

honda makes both..

If Hyundai made a truck....I would have looked at it (not a Honda "truck" but a real truck that I can beat up with my 900 lb atv).


I love cars....but I really love this site and the majority of people it attracts. I love pushing off the jerks that try to join the site and cause trouble, I like to help people with their car issues, and I used to really drink that Honda koolaid.

Why did I stop? Honda peed in my koolaid and gave me probably the worst Acura TL imaginable.

Why Hyundai you say? Easy....you get way more car for you money. Yeah...it might not Handle as well...but then again there are things that Hyundai does way better than Honda. Torque (down low), road noise suppression, warranty, timing chains, non stuck up dealerships, and more standard saftey equipment are some benefits to buying a Hyundai.

I love the AF and do not plan to leave it....but if I had to chose between working for Honda or Hyundai....I would engineer for Hyundai and never look back.


*Hondas are great cars....don't get me wrong.....there are just things they do that I can't stand....and they don't build a truck that meets my desires.

What Steve says

If you get to be a narrow minded fan boy. You miss out on all sorts of stuff.

Steve's TL was a mess. My Civic hit 10k miles and turned into a Chevy. And we had some teething issues with our Accord. Other members have had major issues with there Accord's. Some resolved and they kept there cars. Others dumped them.

I had to dump my Civic for a Mazda.

Everybody waited for the new Accord. We all had opinions pro and con looking at the pics.

I liked the coupe. Hated the sedan. Saw them in person and hated them both. All that is needed is a lift kit to get a sleek Pilot. Well sort of sleek. Spinners might help the ugly things. :) Or maybe light artillery.

But it doesn't mean we turn our backs on the 8th gen folks. What it does mean. We are seeing the same issues we saw with the 5th, 6th and 7th gens.

Doesn't mean we won't buy a Honda again. Or Accord for that matter. Hell I'm waiting on CR-Z. But Im not holding my breath. I bet the first year cars will be a can of worms. Honda is now recalling or tsb issues I had with my Civic. No more test mule for me. And some of them are like issues Steve had with his TL. Take something as simple as rear camber. Steve had a issue and so did I. And Hondas fix is random. You may get it you may not. Or you fight and get something. But it won't be the correct fix. Ame with there tranny's. Don't buy a AT V6 or a 6MT. While they will fix them. I don't buy cars to have to have transmissions replaced or repaired. Lets see,,, what am I going to do today? OO yeah,,, Im going to buy a V6 AT and hope it last 100k miles ,,,, Naw lets get a 6MT and spit third out the case like a throwing star.

I wanted to be a Honda fan boy! But learned real fast. Fan boys miss a lot.

Again ,,, if Honda doesn't narf up CR-Z I will own one. And then for my 50th birthday Im getting a BMW 135i. The car is flat out a Hooligan on a biblical level. One front wheel on the 135 has more stopping power than 3 wheels of our Accord. Six pot calipers on the front wheels. The thing has as much or more brake power than Steves truck! Makes Honda brakes look like a stick bolted to the side of the car you force into the ground before you die.

Bottom line. You do not have to own a Accord or any Honda for that matter to be a member. And you will be seen as a member in great standing if you can spell better than I and not be a meanie. :naughty:

If I could afford maintenance cost and get a comparable financing deal, I'd be on the hunt for a used BMW M3 (E46)...

I almost bought a beauty of a 2006 BMW 530 while I was hunting for a new car this year...it came down to ownership cost...fuel prices etc...

How about the VW Passat CC...:thumbsup:

Nicely said Psy!

Oh...latest road and track mag has nothing but good things about the 135i. Not gonna lie...wish I could justify spending that kind of money on a car and a truck. I can't...but will live through any members who buy one on this forum :)

How about the VW Passat CC...:thumbsup:

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If Hyundai made a truck....I would have looked at it (not a Honda "truck" but a real truck that I can beat up with my 900 lb atv).


I love cars....but I really love this site and the majority of people it attracts. I love pushing off the jerks that try to join the site and cause trouble, I like to help people with their car issues, and I used to really drink that Honda koolaid.

Why did I stop? Honda peed in my koolaid and gave me probably the worst Acura TL imaginable.

Why Hyundai you say? Easy....you get way more car for you money. Yeah...it might not Handle as well...but then again there are things that Hyundai does way better than Honda. Torque (down low), road noise suppression, warranty, timing chains, non stuck up dealerships, and more standard saftey equipment are some benefits to buying a Hyundai.

I love the AF and do not plan to leave it....but if I had to chose between working for Honda or Hyundai....I would engineer for Hyundai and never look back.


*Hondas are great cars....don't get me wrong.....there are just things they do that I can't stand....and they don't build a truck that meets my desires.

Thats very true, but one turd lemon of a TL and you write off Honda. I would kill to have a TL (but not the payment, nor a used one), but if I got a turd I would try to fix it instead of denouncing it and trading it in.

As far as the Honda truck, the Ridgeline is pretty cool, I like it quite a bit. However, its not even in the same ballpark as a Titan or Tundra, or even a domestic full size. Its just not much of a truck...

If I had a chance to work for Hyundai, I wouldnt think twice about it. I would NEVER work for a company originally based and founded in a communist country with more nuclear power than the USA. Maybe im just a prejudicial gun toting, liberal hating conservative redkneck prick and I should get off my high horse.

Back on topic. TL, TSX, IS, Passat, Legacy, S60, Camry, Maxima, Sonata (just for steven)...go do some test driving.

Thats very true, but one turd lemon of a TL and you write off Honda. I would kill to have a TL (but not the payment, nor a used one), but if I got a turd I would try to fix it instead of denouncing it and trading it in.

Do you have ANY idea of the sheer number of times he tried to get it fixed???? Do you have any idea as to the number of problems there were??? Do you have any idea how many weeks the car spent in the shop????? You should do a bit more reading before you pop off like that. You act as though he just dumped the car because "the ash tray was full". It was considerably more than that amigo. Folks that have been here a while went through it with him from the day he got it, to the vast amount of problems, to the many rental cars, to the point of "I give up, I've had enough". That lengthy and expensive ordeal (to no avail) would sour me from a brand name forever also.

I'm in a similar situation to the dark knight. I would like a new ride in the same price range except it has to be a V-6 six speed manual sedan. The only one that fits is the Altima 3.5 SE but after much research I'll pass. As far as my Accord goes it's really a tough to get rid of a car that is performing perfectly, is a J-Spec, gets excellent mileage, and looks darn near as good (in some ways better) than the day I took delivery. I can sympathize with his quest.

I'd say you have a pretty sweet setup RTF. Not only is it fully customized, it probably looks better than the 08 that is siting on the showroom floor. Saying that, it is a shame to see the manuals dropping off of the market.

Heckler....you have no idea the problems that Acura had, but this isn't the thread for that.

Over here I would buy a 1994-97 ish model BMW 525 SE Diesel auto..:notworthy They can be bought here for around £3,000 for a high milage one, up to £5,000 ish for a really nice one. :)

Repair costs for German cars are not abnormally high over here, :) the diesels are pretty well bullet proof anyway, and get up to 48 ish mpg on the motorways.. :D

But:- I would not buy one that had a petrol engine fitted!! YUKK.. lol.. :naughty:

The garage that maintain my cars have 3 partners, all working in the place as mechanics, and employ a lady to do all the peperwork.. They all drive VW Passat manual diesels.. That sez it all for me. :) :thmsup: Unfortunately the Passat diesel auto boxes are unreliable.. So I wouldn't buy one. :(
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And then for my 50th birthday Im getting a BMW 135i. The car is flat out a Hooligan on a biblical level. One front wheel on the 135 has more stopping power than 3 wheels of our Accord. Six pot calipers on the front wheels. The thing has as much or more brake power than Steves truck! Makes Honda brakes look like a stick bolted to the side of the car you force into the ground before you die.




:thmsup:

I'll be on your coat tails more than likely (aside from the turning 50 part :D )..getting a bare minimum 135i w/ the 6M if my test drive results in similar impressions that Mr Clarkson had.

http://driving.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/driving/jeremy_clarkson/article3103294.ece

Nicely said Psy!

Oh...latest road and track mag has nothing but good things about the 135i. Not gonna lie...wish I could justify spending that kind of money on a car and a truck. I can't...but will live through any members who buy one on this forum :)

Thanks for the clarification, Steve, I now am enlightened.........:thmsup: I guess I'm a homer for Honda because I've already saved $2000 in maintenance over the domestic POS I used to buy new and have fail, even though I am meticulous about maintenance.

The final straw was my 2004 Town and Country. While they were putting in the SECOND rack and pinion in the first 30,000 miles, I asked them to look over everything else. Turns out the rear heating coolant tubes were corroded and they suggested replacement. Turns out Chrysler thinks they are a "wear item", and since there were no TSB's or recalls, it would be $350 to replace them. I said no and sold the car a couple months later........:thumbsdow

I can put up with a few rattles and pesky stuff in my Accord, because I get a nice feeling when I have my mechanic check over my I-4 Accord, and his comment is: "Come get your car, I need to make room for one I can make money on"...........:thmsup:

I do like the Hyundai Genesis a lot, we'll see..........:)

Tex it must suck to be you. :) Your Accord is perfect. All the right basic mods. And looks great!

We are keeping our Accord. I hope it makes 250k miles like we wanted when we bought it. No squeaks or rattles. Flawless under the hood and suspension wise. The new bumper cover should go on in a few weeks and she will be like new.

We will be leaving in a few hours to take a trip to Norman, Ok. Im looking forward to driving Ruby. We will have 3 Adults in the car and the trunk loaded down pretty good. I expect 35 mpg or better out of her and solid middle class comfort.

I honestly have no idea what we would buy to replace the Accord if things went south at this point.

I'll never buy another GM product. So Malibu is out. Maybe a Nissan. Maybe a Gallant? I would be lost trying to replace Ruby.

If I had a chance to work for Hyundai, I wouldnt think twice about it. I would NEVER work for a company originally based and founded in a communist country with more nuclear power than the USA. Maybe im just a prejudicial gun toting, liberal hating conservative redkneck prick and I should get off my high horse

I must have missed the memo about when South Korea became a communist country...or how South Korea suddenly had a bunch of nuclear warheads...maybe I misinterpreted the reason why we sent a bunch of troops over to South Korea in the 50's

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyundai <-- maybe I can't read but they're founded in SOUTH Korea in 1947 as a CONSTRUCTION company, with their car company not formed until 1967, well AFTER we fought a war to prevent South Korea from going to the commies
http://www.koreanhistoryproject.org/Jta/Kr/KrGOV0.htm <-- South Korea was already occupied by the USA in 1945 BEFORE Hyundai was founded
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_states_with_nuclear_weapons <-- maybe I can't read again but I didn't see South Korea on there.

Nice to know that you have a gun :dunno: :screwy:

Nice car for 30K? Pontiac G8 GT :jumping: :jawdrop:

08/09 accord

and whatever used TL that fits in my budget... 2004? 05? 06?

Which Accord (trim, engine, transmission, Coupe/Sedan)?

I must have missed the memo about when South Korea became a communist country...or how South Korea suddenly had a bunch of nuclear warheads...maybe I misinterpreted the reason why we sent a bunch of troops over to South Korea in the 50's

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyundai <-- maybe I can't read but they're founded in SOUTH Korea in 1947 as a CONSTRUCTION company, with their car company not formed until 1967, well AFTER we fought a war to prevent South Korea from going to the commies
http://www.koreanhistoryproject.org/Jta/Kr/KrGOV0.htm <-- South Korea was already occupied by the USA in 1945 BEFORE Hyundai was founded
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_states_with_nuclear_weapons <-- maybe I can't read again but I didn't see South Korea on there.

Nice to know that you have a gun :dunno: :screwy:

Nice car for 30K? Pontiac G8 GT :jumping: :jawdrop:



Nice research...

And VERY nice car! The Pontiac G8 GT seems like a great way to go! :naughty:

Tex it must suck to be you. Your Accord is perfect. All the right basic mods. And looks great!

Thanks Psy. I have made the decision to keep driving it and give up looking for something else. I'll put some new rubber on it soon, add the TSX intake manifold to the list of goodies and call it a day.

Which Accord (trim, engine, transmission, Coupe/Sedan)?

EX-L, v6 hopefully (if not I will get the i4), Sedan at this point... 25% chance i'll get the coupe.

The garage that maintain my cars have 3 partners, all working in the place as mechanics, and employ a lady to do all the peperwork.. They all drive VW Passat manual diesels.. That sez it all for me. :) :thmsup: Unfortunately the Passat diesel auto boxes are unreliable.. So I wouldn't buy one. :(
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Well the B5 (98-05.5) Passat uses ZF Friedrichshafen Tiptronic automatic transmissions. They are pretty much bullet-proof. They're used in BMWs and MBs as well. The new Passats incidently use Japanese Aisin AW transmissions:thmsup:



If I had a chance to work for Hyundai, I wouldnt think twice about it. I would NEVER work for a company originally based and founded in a communist country with more nuclear power than the USA. Maybe im just a prejudicial gun toting, liberal hating conservative redkneck prick and I should get off my high horse.



???????? You've got to be kidding me

Hi Toulumne. Buying new is foolish here due the huge purchase tax on new cars. :paranoid:

Value for money (UK) lies in buying 10 + year old cars. :yes: and the auto VW - Audi's, of that age were all prone to gearbox problems. An easy way to check that, is to look on ebay at the large % of 1994- 2000 ish Passats being sold with g/box problems. :dunno:

Diesel auto BMW's of that era are still very plentifull, and though pricey for their age, they are extremely reliable and a very good buy in terms of value for money.. :)

A lady friend hired a new VW diesel auto Golf last weekend, and she realy hated it!! She said the pedals are dangerously sensative when maneuvering in confined spaces! :paranoid: 0 to 30 mph = .005 movement of the pedals!! lol.. But the car was fine on the open road, she ave 48 mpg for the 250 ish miles she covered, mixed driving, so it's good on fuel anyway.. :thmsup:
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Thanks Psy. I have made the decision to keep driving it and give up looking for something else. I'll put some new rubber on it soon, add the TSX intake manifold to the list of goodies and call it a day.

I would love to mod ours. But whats the point. With a 5AT in it. A total waste of time and money. Would need a spiked blue hair do. and still have to take downers to make it seem fun.

Only got 34 mpg for the run sat. and sunday to Norman and back. Ran the speed limit, A/C on. Three adults in the car and a loaded trunk.

Not bad.

EX-L, v6 hopefully (if not I will get the i4), Sedan at this point... 25% chance i'll get the coupe.

Between the Accord Coupe and the TL I would go with the Accord Coupe. Get a new car for the same money. Between the Accord Sedan and the TL it really comes down to personal preference. The TL is going to be more fun to drive, but if you aren't looking for that I would go with the Accord.

buy whatever makes you happy. best advice out there. it's not going to be the same for everyone. some must have new (myself included because little imperfections from someone else's use tend to drive me completely insane. i'll eat the depreciation thank-you-very-much!) some must spare the depreciation and buy slightly used or run into the ground used even. important note, some car makes, some car models, & some car trims depreciate alot quicker than others. notice how the gap between a v6 fully loaded accord and an lx narrows in those first few years... the lx holds the value better because it includes what the majority of the public insists on-therefore there is a larger market base to pull from.

then there is what "floats your boat". is it power? gadgets? leather? heated seats? coupes or sedans? gas mileage? looks? transmissions available? what does it for you?

my ideal car isn't everyone else's and so on. i have my ideal car in the 25-30k price range. i'd love to change my color though (it wasn't my first choice to begin with, but transmission & getting the amount on my trade in was more important than the color was to me.)

oh and someone mentioned taxes-depending on what you are doing to get the car and where you live, taxes can be less. for instance, in both states i've lived, if you trade a vehicle in, you are only taxed on the difference between the trade in value and the new car purchase price, not on the total new car price.

anyway, to sum it up, it all depends on what you want. not at all helpful, huh? :lmao:

I'd get the one in my profile.

I disagree, I think this guy is looking for a sporty car and with the possible option of a manual transmission. I am not a fan of the '08 Accords. Also if you are looking for manual transmission, then you will have to avoid the new IS250/350. For what ever reason Lexus decided against that option.

Some options:
S2000(New or Used), TL(New[Maybe] or Used), TSX(New or Used), E46? BMW M3(Used), E39? M5(Used[If you get one in this price range you are extremely lucky]), V6TT and V8 S4(Used), Supra(Just throwing it out there) and so on.....

I disagree, I think this guy is looking for a sporty car and with the possible option of a manual transmission. I am not a fan of the '08 Accords. Also if you are looking for manual transmission, then you will have to avoid the new IS250/350. For what ever reason Lexus decided against that option.

Some options:
S2000(New or Used), TL(New[Maybe] or Used), TSX(New or Used), E46? BMW M3(Used), E39? M5(Used[If you get one in this price range you are extremely lucky]), V6TT and V8 S4(Used), Supra(Just throwing it out there) and so on.....


Have you seen the list of common issues that the E46's have? Hyundai’s are more reliable then a BMW.

Also if you are looking for manual transmission, then you will have to avoid the new IS250/350. For what ever reason Lexus decided against that option.


The IS250 can be had with a manual.

mazdaspeed3 :D

I'd get another Honda. An F'ing coupe this time.

mazdaspeed3 :D

that thing was frickin loud and definitely not as refined as other cars listed. :lmao:

though if you want power, handling for cheap (and aren't too particular on reliability) then it might be a good choice.