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gvan1998
04-05-2008, 05:59 PM
The manual states that accord 4cyl uses 4.5 qts of oil, but the dealer told me that it takes 5qts. Should put 4.5 or 5 qts? and what size oil filter do we use?
The manual states 4.5qts for the V6 and 4.4qts for the I4. I use Baldwin filters B1402 is the stock filter B1431 is a slightly larger filter. I have an I4 and you must have a V6 based on the amount of oil you need. Do not overfill the engine with oil.
Please note the oil filters I have in my post are for the I4. I am not sure what the V6 will use.
gvan1998
04-05-2008, 06:56 PM
I have a i4, what happend if i put 5 qts of oil? will it damage the engine? do you know the part # for fram oil filer
I have a i4, what happend if i put 5 qts of oil? will it damage the engine? do you know the part # for fram oil filer
Most likely, it'll be ok, but I wouldn't overfill it all the time. Stay away from Fram. Stick with OEM, or if you don't have access to it, Wix is highly recommended. Fram oil filter = trash.
Aviography
04-05-2008, 07:20 PM
Most likely, it'll be ok, but I wouldn't overfill it all the time. Stay away from Fram. Stick with OEM, or if you don't have access to it, Wix is highly recommended. Fram oil filter = trash.
Another Fram oil filter hater........
I've used Fram oil filters over the last 25 years over three cars, the first one had 120K miles, the second one had over 150K miles, the last one had 200K miles, all ran pretty much as strong the day I sold them as the day I bought them. I always change oil filters every 3 months, so that's roughly 75 Fram oil filters over 470,000 miles.
Never a problem with oil filter related issues, in fact absolutely no engine mechanical components issues at all.
As I had posted quite some time ago, think about it, if Fram oil filters were trash and caused engine problems for people, wouldn't we have heard/read the various law suits by now?
I do not know of a single case of such law suit against Fram for *trash* oil filters, do you?
alpha
04-05-2008, 08:12 PM
Stay away from Fram. Stick with OEM,
That's contradictory.. Most OEM filters are made by FRAM. If you can find the ones ending in A02, those are made by Filtech. I think they are discontinued though.
The S2000 has a different filter, and I believe are made by Toyo Roki.
tracerit
04-05-2008, 08:54 PM
On my 04 Accord LX 4cyl, I use 4.4qts of oil and buy BOSCH oil filters which use Filtech. I read up a while back that filters with Filtech are better.
When I did my first oil change, I think I poured too much oil in, definitely less than 5 quarts though because I still had a little left in the 5qt jug of Mobil 1. If there's too much it'll create bubbles and mess with the internal pressure. When I changed my oil this week, I poured .6qts which is enough to fill a 20z bottle of Gatorade and then poured the remaining 4.4qts into the engine.
That's contradictory.. Most OEM filters are made by FRAM. If you can find the ones ending in A02, those are made by Filtech. I think they are discontinued though.
The S2000 has a different filter, and I believe are made by Toyo Roki.
Upon further research, you are absolutely correct. I used to be a Toyota owner, and they use quality Denso filters. I mistakenly assumed it's the same for Honda. It's a habit to recommend OEM. However, I was hoping that Fram would use higher standards to make OEM filters for Honda. Alas, that is not the case. They still use the same damn paper end cap. I invite everyone to visit this thread. The owner compares the Honda OEM filter and a Mobile One filter.
http://rdx.acurazine.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2041
I will no longer recommend Honda OEM filter. No wonder they're so cheap ($4.50/per at my local dealership). Thank you for bringing it to my attention. :blush:
On my 04 Accord LX 4cyl, I use 4.4qts of oil and buy BOSCH oil filters which use Filtech. I read up a while back that filters with Filtech are better.
When I did my first oil change, I think I poured too much oil in, definitely less than 5 quarts though because I still had a little left in the 5qt jug of Mobil 1. If there's too much it'll create bubbles and mess with the internal pressure. When I changed my oil this week, I poured .6qts which is enough to fill a 20z bottle of Gatorade and then poured the remaining 4.4qts into the engine.
Bosch is made by Champion Labs, who also makes K&N, Mobil 1...etc... which is :thmsup:
Another Fram oil filter hater........
I've used Fram oil filters over the last 25 years over three cars, the first one had 120K miles, the second one had over 150K miles, the last one had 200K miles, all ran pretty much as strong the day I sold them as the day I bought them. I always change oil filters every 3 months, so that's roughly 75 Fram oil filters over 470,000 miles.
Never a problem with oil filter related issues, in fact absolutely no engine mechanical components issues at all.
As I had posted quite some time ago, think about it, if Fram oil filters were trash and caused engine problems for people, wouldn't we have heard/read the various law suits by now?
I do not know of a single case of such law suit against Fram for *trash* oil filters, do you?
Nobody is forcing you away from Fram. By all means, stick with their paper-end-cap filters if it works for you. I will stick with my aluminum-end-cap filters made by Champion Labs. Just know that Fram filters are not made to last longer than the regular intervals. Even then, I would rather spend a few more bucks knowing it will protect the engine better. I invite you to visit the link I posted in the response to alpha. Here it is again. http://rdx.acurazine.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2041
BenjiBoy650
04-05-2008, 09:31 PM
That's contradictory.. Most OEM filters are made by FRAM. If you can find the ones ending in A02, those are made by Filtech. I think they are discontinued though.
The S2000 has a different filter, and I believe are made by Toyo Roki.
I think the A01 is Filtech, they're discontinued. A02 is what they're using now, Fram stuff. Both H and A Accessories and Hondaacuraworld notes they are now selling A02 now. And I know I bought A01 when I had the Accord. So I think it went from A01 to A02, Filtech to Fram. Some pics attached, A01 on the left. Sad but they're all I have left of A01 vs. A02 vs. Toyo Roki (not pictured) vs. HAMP (not pictured)...every other link I've ever posted has gone down over the years :( The link to the RDX filter looks like a distinct A01/Filtech design, since it only has 8 oil entrance holes, the A02 has 10...it's possible that Fram is making them now with the Filtech design? I also had a problem with the flange they mentioned...pictured below (A01 filter...I have never bought an A02, always check)
http://www.reaction-image.net/albums/N4TECguy/CIMG2094.sized.jpg
I vaguely recall hearing musings that the S2000 filters were no longer made by Toyo Roki, that some Acura dealers and factories are still installing the old PT7 and P0H filters, that the bigger filters on the TL would interfere with a suspension component leading to a damaged filter and oil everywhere...a lot of stuff I don't even bother following anymore. Now I just use aftermarket brands...Bosch, Purolator, Supertech, Napa/Wix, etc. I also heard a while ago that Bosch is no longer made by Champion and gave production to a Chinese company? Not sure...didn't really verify any of the above "facts" just vaguely remember reading about them at one point or another. Have to do your own research on this one guys :)
Take a look at this link they have most of the major oil filters cut open.
http://www.knizefamily.net/minimopar/oilfilters/index.html
I had been using Fram filters for over 20 years until I saw how cheaply they were made. For about the same price I could order a case of Baldwin filters that were better made so why not? Use what you want but know what you are using.
I have a i4, what happend if i put 5 qts of oil? will it damage the engine? do you know the part # for fram oil filer
The theory is that the oil level would be high enough for the crankshaft to rotate in the oil and froth it up. Engine oil unlike gear oil does not have a great deal of anti foaming agents.
Another thing that I do when I do an oil change on the Accord is to fill the oil filter before I install it. My thinking is that the oil pump does not have to fill the filter before I am at full pressure. This step may not do anything but on the Accord with the way the filter is positioned it is easy.
RTexasF
04-06-2008, 07:03 AM
Long story short:
4.5 quarts
Any filter will be fine. There are better filters than Fram for less money. Wal Mart Super Tech filters are widely available and work just fine for less than $3.00.
I would start with 4.5, start the car let it run for a few seconds. Shut it off and check the level. If it's a little low add some. It's easier to add a little more then having to drain some out. Just keep it in between the min and max.
kingule
04-24-2008, 01:29 PM
Do you just hand tight the filter or you have to use some tool? thanks
2adviseU2
04-24-2008, 02:09 PM
Its real easy, put 4.5 qts in, and check the dipstick, if its low, add some till it gets to the fill line. This isnt rocket science.
Jakerx
04-24-2008, 03:47 PM
Do you just hand tight the filter or you have to use some tool? thanks
I have never used tools to tighten an oil filter. I always tighten by hand. If you're using a K&N filter, it may be easier to remove with a socket wrench, but for tightening, just use your hand. You run the risk of stripping and doing damage with the use of tools to install the filter.
kingule
04-24-2008, 05:26 PM
I have never used tools to tighten an oil filter. I always tighten by hand. If you're using a K&N filter, it may be easier to remove with a socket wrench, but for tightening, just use your hand. You run the risk of stripping and doing damage with the use of tools to install the filter.
Thanks man :thmsup:
jang859
04-24-2008, 10:03 PM
oh my god here we go
I changed my filter (bosche) and put in 4.5 quarts.
It ended up .5 quarts overfull! it was way overfull on the dipstick! this could be very bad for the engine!
about 3 days later in a panic i took it to a mechanic who simply drained the extra .5 out.
lesson learned here, put in 3. run the engine a minute. check it. put in .5 check it. put in another .5. check it. BE CAREFUL. don't do what i did. i can't believe the manual was wrong because i put in 4.5 quarts and ended up way overfull.
BenjiBoy650
04-24-2008, 10:57 PM
oh my god here we go
I changed my filter (bosche) and put in 4.5 quarts.
It ended up .5 quarts overfull! it was way overfull on the dipstick! this could be very bad for the engine!
about 3 days later in a panic i took it to a mechanic who simply drained the extra .5 out.
lesson learned here, put in 3. run the engine a minute. check it. put in .5 check it. put in another .5. check it. BE CAREFUL. don't do what i did. i can't believe the manual was wrong because i put in 4.5 quarts and ended up way overfull.
I would NOT run the engine with 3 quarts in it. 4 quarts is plenty of buffer. I have never added 4 qts and had it overfilled.
yukihiro
04-24-2008, 11:15 PM
I would NOT run the engine with 3 quarts in it. 4 quarts is plenty of buffer. I have never added 4 qts and had it overfilled.
yea, i wouldnt run the engine with only 3 qts either.
if anything, just fill it up to 3 qts and wait a while for the oil to settle, then check again without starting up the motor.
Jakerx
04-25-2008, 12:31 AM
When you change your oil, make sure the car's been running for a bit. Hot oil flows out faster and easier.
After the oil pan stops dripping, pour in 4 qts. Start the engine up. Let it run for a couple minutes. Then pour in the last amount of oil to get it to the right level on the dipstick. Easy as pie.
These are vented crankcases, there is little to loose save for parasitic loss in a minor over fill situation. Now if you over fill drastically you may experience splashing that overflows out of the intake or anywhere it has a route to, but I doubt your going to blow seals.
That being said, I wouldn't recommend running your car over filled, filled correctly is the way to go. :drink:
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