AC vibrations anyone?

[knoxstar18]

08' accord LX-P here...

Anyone else notice the whine and vibrations every time the AC or defrost fan runs? Its about every 10secs when either or is running. It's really hard to enjoy the cold air or the nice heat from defrost with this feeling and sound coming from the damn thing.

:Sigh: its only been about 3 weeks and I'm already unsatisfied with my purchase. Words of encouragement would suffice :)

[USAFRET]

I have the same complaint on my I4, it feels like a John Deere, not the Honda HUMMMMM I was expecting. I went back to my dealer and tried out a few other BRAND new I4's and they all felt the same. The V6 is smoother at idle when the AC compressor kicks in.

So it's not a warranty issue.

[Schu]

LOL... I have to say, yes I can hear my fans running when using either the defrost or AC... is there a car in the world that is different?

[DrivenAccord]

Find yourself lucky. Both of my Imps were LOUD when the A/C or defrost was on. Not only that, but the heat from the engine bay would burn grass if I parked on the lawn or something.

My V6 is quiet.....except for the fact that my seat creaks!!!! I'm serious. I'll sit down and it makes this crap sound like I'm sitting in a rocking chair. In fact, any time I move or shift...WHATEVER...it does it. I want a new chair!

Oh and that stupid third brake light rattle.....DIE!

[USAFRET]

I'm not referring to the HVAC blower motor; I'm referring to how the motor feels when the AC kicks ON. The vibration can be felt in the brake pedal and steering wheel.

As I said I sampled several new I4's on my dealer’s lot when my service tech said "there is nothing wrong". As I said I guess I was expecting a nice soothing HUMMMMMMM not a VIBRATION.

My HVAC blower motor sounds like "crickets" when its running at low speed, but they said this is a warranty issue that they need to order parts for.

[Schu]

parts... just re/lube! unless your shaft is fronzen or starting to freeze

[RTexasF]

It's not unusual at all. My 4 banger is similar whereas with our (her) new RAV4 V-6 there's no clue that the A/C is on.
It doesn't bother me as long as the A/C is COLD. If it were marginal that would be different. Mine doesn't vibrate through the pedals or wheel it's just a "strained" idle when the compressor kicks in.

[knoxstar18]

Damn it! I was hoping this was fixable but it seems its not.

Hmm..What to do what to do....(pondering)

I wonder if getting a new AC unit all together would solve the problem. Yes it would void my warranty hey, we all gotta makes sacrifices right?

Well thank you for the feedback, any other suggestions from anyone would be appreciated.

ps--Schu, I don't think you understand what I am talking about here, its not the normal fan noise here, I know what a normal AC should sound like...I'm talking about ruff vibrations and noise every 10secs..

[Schu]

Perhaps it's a clutch related issue?

[native.texan]

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My V6 is quiet.....except for the fact that my seat creaks!!!! I'm serious. I'll sit down and it makes this crap sound like I'm sitting in a rocking chair. In fact, any time I move or shift...WHATEVER...it does it. I want a new chair!

!

Well, my chair is as quiet as a mouse, but, at times, feels as firm as church pew - literally.

No vibrations though, so, I'll consider myself lucky with the one issue I did notice.

mike.

[dking99]

No sound from engine with the AC on...

I agree, the seats could be more comfortable.

Maybe if we switched problems here...the seats would vibrate and the AC would be silent!

[kingule]

"Hey guys, Stop bashing on Honda,the best car ever !!! None of these issues are manufactural problem-hahaha :)) "

I am experiencing the same problems + more (rattles,wind noise,headlights dim etc.) ,but been smashed like a dirt on this forum by other felow members.
If you want to post some sh@t about this car you better go somewhere else,understood? :))

Now seriously.I believe the electric system in I4 is very weak and there should be TSB or recall issued very very soon.There is so many complaints about the headlights dim,which is really serious matter and I think it's got something to do with the other mentioned problems as well.Hopefully next year production will be free of these issues and Honda will take care of 08 's with some responsibility( not "it's normal" BS) .
Well forgot to mention that I see all of these problems just with LX-P's . Something smells about this trim,don't you think?

[Schu]

your funny... you're my hero

[8thGenInspire]

don't really have problems with AC vibrations and my headlights dimm only a little bit. or i just don't notice haha - maybe i'm a lucky one :P

[GoBears]

I started noticing the same thing with my i4's AC. I'll turn it on, and the engine will make a quick clicking noise, basically like the sound you hear when the AC at home first loads up.

Slightly irritated by it, but if it's normal (i.e. not a mechanical issue), it's not a big deal.

[Schu]

exactly... usually you can also hear the refrigerant being released every few seconds while it's on to... there is no issue here, unless the OP happens to have a bad AC unit in which the clutch mechanism is faulty... it happens, warranty issue

[native.texan]

Now seriously.I believe the electric system in I4 is very weak and there should be TSB or recall issued very very soon.There is so many complaints about the headlights dim,which is really serious matter and I think it's got something to do with the other mentioned problems as well.Hopefully next year production will be free of these issues and Honda will take care of 08 's with some responsibility( not "it's normal" BS) .
Well forgot to mention that I see all of these problems just with LX-P's . Something smells about this trim,don't you think?

Maybe there is something wrong with LX-P. I am not a mechanic, nor an electrician - for that matter - so I don't know. I can tell you this, though: on my EX-L (I4), when the AC kicks on, the headlights dim *a negligible amount* and only for a split second, before going back to normal.

While the AC was on, I drove at night, on a dimly lit country road. This issue (if it even is one) had no impact - whatsoever - on visibility. I was still able to see the road. It was not as if the headlights cut out, or I was forced to drive in the dark, or was even noticeable my passengers. Nothing of the kind.

Now, while you think about that, think about this. I got in our other car, a VW Passat, and turned on the AC as well. Checked the headlights and, guess what, the headlights did the same thing! Only difference between the Honda and VW is that with the Accord, at the least the AC was blowing out cold air!

mike.

[Schu]

indeed, its a typical energy draw. happens on most cars... it's not a design flaw or as a result of bad engineering.

[Edaccord08]

indeed, its a typical energy draw. happens on most cars... it's not a design flaw or as a result of bad engineering.

Right, I checked out my LX after I saw all the posts about dimming lights when any accessory was turned on.
I observed nothing abnormal, very slight degradation.

FWIW the LX to EX-L use same alternator, seems stock is 89watt which is decent size for economy car.

For those that are really noticing big dimming take it to dealer to get checked. It could be something as simple as loose ground wire, at least you will know if yours is within tolerance/normal.

[Ice]

I got in our other car, a VW Passat, and turned on the AC as well. Checked the headlights and, guess what, the headlights did the same thing! Only difference between the Honda and VW is that with the Accord, at the least the AC was blowing out cold air!


Blasphemy! German engineering is unfalterable!! :notworthy:notworthy

:D

[USAFRET]

Blasphemy! German engineering is unfalterable!! :notworthy:notworthy:D

And Honda's too.... So we really don't have any problems, it's all in our imagination.

[kingule]

And Honda's too.... So we really don't have any problems, it's all in our imagination.

Right, No rattles, no vibrations -nothing-just my dreams.
And If something doesn't seems right,we sure know It's not a factory problem.
Lets see here -
Just a little from NHTSA:

Make : HONDA Model : ACCORD Year : 2008
Manufacturer : HONDA (AMERICAN HONDA MOTOR CO.)
Crash : No Fire : No Number of Injuries: 0
ODI ID Number : 10222537 Number of Deaths: 0
Date of Failure: October 7, 2007
VIN : 1HGCP268X8A...
Component: ELECTRICAL SYSTEM
Summary:
HEADLIGHTS, TAILLIGHTS, BRAKE LIGHTS AS WELL AS INTERIOR LIGHTS, ALL LIGHTS DIM AS COMPRESSOR AND COOLING FAN ENGAGE. CAUSING BRAKE LIGHTS TO APPEAR AS BEING APPLIED, ALSO CAUSING HIGH / LOW BEAM HEADLIGHTS TO HAVE BEEN ACTIVATED. *TR



Make : HONDA Model : ACCORD Year : 2008
Manufacturer : HONDA (AMERICAN HONDA MOTOR CO.)
Crash : No Fire : No Number of Injuries: 0
ODI ID Number : 10221875 Number of Deaths: 0
Date of Failure: March 15, 2008
VIN : 1HGCS127X8A...
Component: ELECTRICAL SYSTEM:ALTERNATOR/GENERATOR/REGULATOR
Summary:
CAR IDLES ROUGH AND STALLS,CHECK FUEL CAP MESSAGE COMES ON.THIS WAS AFTER THEY REPLACED ALTERNATOR DUE TO LIGHTS FLICKERING AND RADIO AND FANS GOING IN AND OUT.ALTERNATOR DID NOT HELP AND NOW THE IDLES IS HIGH AND ERATIC, SYSTEM THAT DETECTS MISSING FUEL CAP IS INOP. WHEN CAR COMES TO A STOP THE IDLE STOPS REAL HGIGH AND COMES DOWN AS YOU SIT AT THE LIGHT.THE DEALER SAYS THE OWNERS MAUAL IS WRONG ABOUT THE WAY SYSTEM WORKS.I DROVE TWO IDENTICAL ONES AND WHILE THE CARS WERE STILL OF POOR QUALITY,THE IDLE WAS THE SAME AS BEFORE THEY MESSED WITH CAR.OTHER ISSUES INCLUDE BAD SEAT TRACKS, BAD UPULSTRY, PAINT ON BUMPERS IMPROPERLY FINISHED. HONDA REFUSES TO FIX THESE ISSUES. I AM TAKING IT UNDER THE LEMON LAW AND URGE ALL OTHERS TO DO THE SAME. *



Make : HONDA Model : ACCORD Year : 2008
Manufacturer : HONDA (AMERICAN HONDA MOTOR CO.)
Crash : No Fire : No Number of Injuries: 0
ODI ID Number : 10220479 Number of Deaths: 0
Date of Failure: March 8, 2008
VIN : 1HGCP36858A...
Component: POWER TRAIN:AUTOMATIC TRANSMISSION:CONTROL MODULE (TCM, PCM)
Summary:
TRANSMISSION/VCM CONSTANTLY CONTINUES TO SHIFT. CAR CANNOT LOCATE CORRECT DRIVE RATIO. VERY PREVALENT WHEN DRIVING 60 MPH ON LEVEL GRADE AND NO PEDAL MOVEMENT. HOWEVER, THE TRANSMISSION AND/OR VARIABLE CYLINDER MANAGEMENT CONSTANTLY SURGING IS NOTICEABLE AT ALL SPEEDS WITH NO CHANGE IN PEDAL FORCE APPLIED. ALSO, WHEN ACCELERATING FROM A STOP SLOWLY AND A SUDDEN DEMAND TO INCREASE SPEED, THE TRANSMISSION FAILS TO DOWNSHIFT WHEN THE PEDAL IS PUSHED TO THE FLOOR AND RESTRICTS THE ENGINE RPMS




Make : HONDA Model : ACCORD Year : 2008
Manufacturer : HONDA (AMERICAN HONDA MOTOR CO.)
Crash : No Fire : No Number of Injuries: 0
ODI ID Number : 10220208 Number of Deaths: 0
Date of Failure: March 4, 2008
VIN : Not Available
Component: EXTERIOR LIGHTING:HEADLIGHTS
Summary:
I OWN A 2008 HONDA ACCORD EXCEL 4 CYLINDER. WITH THE CLIMATE CONTROL ON THE HEADLIGHTS FLICKER. I HAVE TALKED WITH MANY PEOPLE AND THEY ALL SAY THIS IS NOT NORMAL




Make : HONDA Model : ACCORD Year : 2008
Manufacturer : HONDA (AMERICAN HONDA MOTOR CO.)
Crash : No Fire : No Number of Injuries: 0
ODI ID Number : 10220079 Number of Deaths: 0
Date of Failure: February 1, 2008
VIN : Not Available
Component: ELECTRICAL SYSTEM
Summary:
THE 2008 HONDA ACCORD EX-L NAV 4 CYLINDER SUFFERS FROM POOR HEADLIGHT PERFORMANCE. WHILE DRIVING AT NIGHT, THE HEADLIGHT INTENSITY FREQUENTLY FLUCTUATES CAUSING DISTRACTION AND REDUCING NIGHTTIME VISIBILITY. *TR MY INTERPRETATION OF THE LOCAL HONDA DEALERSHIP DIAGNOSIS IS PROVIDED BELOW. POOR HEADLIGHT PERFORMANCE IS ¿NORMAL¿ DUE TO THE OPERATION OF THE ELECTRICAL LOAD DETECTOR (ELD). THE FUNCTION OF THE ELD IS TO PROVIDE ELECTRICAL SYSTEM DEMAND INFORMATION TO THE ONBOARD COMPUTER MODULE. THE ONBOARD COMPUTER THEN USES THE PROVIDED INFORMATION TO ADJUST ALTERNATOR OUTPUT WHICH ULTIMATELY RESULTS IN FUEL SAVINGS. HONDA IS ASSUMING THAT CUSTOMERS ARE WILLING TO SACRIFICE NORMAL HEADLIGHT PERFORMANCE FOR THE POSSIBILITY OF INCREASING FUEL MILEAGE. THE OPERATIONAL DESIGN OF ONE SYSTEM PRODUCES A SIDE AFFECT IN ANOTHER SYSTEM THAT RESULTS IN A SAFETY RISK. RISKS OF OPERATING A VEHICLE WITH POOR HEADLIGHT PERFORMANCE ARE PROVIDED BELOW. 1. REDUCED VISIBILITY AND DRIVING CONCENTRATION COULD RESULT IN A COLLISION. 2. OTHER DRIVERS COULD MISTAKE A HEADLIGHT INTENSITY FLUCTUATION AS AGGRESSIVE DRIVING BEHAVIOR RESULTING IN DRIVER CONFRONTATION.




Please pay attention to the last one and this part especially:
"1. REDUCED VISIBILITY AND DRIVING CONCENTRATION COULD RESULT IN A COLLISION. 2. OTHER DRIVERS COULD MISTAKE A HEADLIGHT INTENSITY FLUCTUATION AS AGGRESSIVE DRIVING BEHAVIOR RESULTING IN DRIVER CONFRONTATION. "



I have personally owned lets say 30-40 different vehicles during my life. Never have had this kind of headlights problem.
SO PLEASE STOP SAYING THIS IS NORMAL AND IT'S NOT A MANUF.ISSUE!!!!
If you believe the BS dealership is serving you than live a happy life! My last car 07 Civic never had this problem and none of my other previous cars(toyota,mazda,ford etc.) had one.

[Edaccord08]

Right, No rattles, no vibrations -nothing-just my dreams.
And If something doesn't seems right,we sure know It's not a factory problem.
Lets see here -
Just a little from NHTSA:

Make : HONDA Model : ACCORD Year : 2008
Manufacturer : HONDA (AMERICAN HONDA MOTOR CO.)
Crash : No Fire : No Number of Injuries: 0
ODI ID Number : 10222537 Number of Deaths: 0
Date of Failure: October 7, 2007
VIN : 1HGCP268X8A...
Component: ELECTRICAL SYSTEM
Summary:
HEADLIGHTS, TAILLIGHTS, BRAKE LIGHTS AS WELL AS INTERIOR LIGHTS, ALL LIGHTS DIM AS COMPRESSOR AND COOLING FAN ENGAGE. CAUSING BRAKE LIGHTS TO APPEAR AS BEING APPLIED, ALSO CAUSING HIGH / LOW BEAM HEADLIGHTS TO HAVE BEEN ACTIVATED. *TR



Make : HONDA Model : ACCORD Year : 2008
Manufacturer : HONDA (AMERICAN HONDA MOTOR CO.)
Crash : No Fire : No Number of Injuries: 0
ODI ID Number : 10221875 Number of Deaths: 0
Date of Failure: March 15, 2008
VIN : 1HGCS127X8A...
Component: ELECTRICAL SYSTEM:ALTERNATOR/GENERATOR/REGULATOR
Summary:
CAR IDLES ROUGH AND STALLS,CHECK FUEL CAP MESSAGE COMES ON.THIS WAS AFTER THEY REPLACED ALTERNATOR DUE TO LIGHTS FLICKERING AND RADIO AND FANS GOING IN AND OUT.ALTERNATOR DID NOT HELP AND NOW THE IDLES IS HIGH AND ERATIC, SYSTEM THAT DETECTS MISSING FUEL CAP IS INOP. WHEN CAR COMES TO A STOP THE IDLE STOPS REAL HGIGH AND COMES DOWN AS YOU SIT AT THE LIGHT.THE DEALER SAYS THE OWNERS MAUAL IS WRONG ABOUT THE WAY SYSTEM WORKS.I DROVE TWO IDENTICAL ONES AND WHILE THE CARS WERE STILL OF POOR QUALITY,THE IDLE WAS THE SAME AS BEFORE THEY MESSED WITH CAR.OTHER ISSUES INCLUDE BAD SEAT TRACKS, BAD UPULSTRY, PAINT ON BUMPERS IMPROPERLY FINISHED. HONDA REFUSES TO FIX THESE ISSUES. I AM TAKING IT UNDER THE LEMON LAW AND URGE ALL OTHERS TO DO THE SAME. *



Make : HONDA Model : ACCORD Year : 2008
Manufacturer : HONDA (AMERICAN HONDA MOTOR CO.)
Crash : No Fire : No Number of Injuries: 0
ODI ID Number : 10220479 Number of Deaths: 0
Date of Failure: March 8, 2008
VIN : 1HGCP36858A...
Component: POWER TRAIN:AUTOMATIC TRANSMISSION:CONTROL MODULE (TCM, PCM)
Summary:
TRANSMISSION/VCM CONSTANTLY CONTINUES TO SHIFT. CAR CANNOT LOCATE CORRECT DRIVE RATIO. VERY PREVALENT WHEN DRIVING 60 MPH ON LEVEL GRADE AND NO PEDAL MOVEMENT. HOWEVER, THE TRANSMISSION AND/OR VARIABLE CYLINDER MANAGEMENT CONSTANTLY SURGING IS NOTICEABLE AT ALL SPEEDS WITH NO CHANGE IN PEDAL FORCE APPLIED. ALSO, WHEN ACCELERATING FROM A STOP SLOWLY AND A SUDDEN DEMAND TO INCREASE SPEED, THE TRANSMISSION FAILS TO DOWNSHIFT WHEN THE PEDAL IS PUSHED TO THE FLOOR AND RESTRICTS THE ENGINE RPMS




Make : HONDA Model : ACCORD Year : 2008
Manufacturer : HONDA (AMERICAN HONDA MOTOR CO.)
Crash : No Fire : No Number of Injuries: 0
ODI ID Number : 10220208 Number of Deaths: 0
Date of Failure: March 4, 2008
VIN : Not Available
Component: EXTERIOR LIGHTING:HEADLIGHTS
Summary:
I OWN A 2008 HONDA ACCORD EXCEL 4 CYLINDER. WITH THE CLIMATE CONTROL ON THE HEADLIGHTS FLICKER. I HAVE TALKED WITH MANY PEOPLE AND THEY ALL SAY THIS IS NOT NORMAL




Make : HONDA Model : ACCORD Year : 2008
Manufacturer : HONDA (AMERICAN HONDA MOTOR CO.)
Crash : No Fire : No Number of Injuries: 0
ODI ID Number : 10220079 Number of Deaths: 0
Date of Failure: February 1, 2008
VIN : Not Available
Component: ELECTRICAL SYSTEM
Summary:
THE 2008 HONDA ACCORD EX-L NAV 4 CYLINDER SUFFERS FROM POOR HEADLIGHT PERFORMANCE. WHILE DRIVING AT NIGHT, THE HEADLIGHT INTENSITY FREQUENTLY FLUCTUATES CAUSING DISTRACTION AND REDUCING NIGHTTIME VISIBILITY. *TR MY INTERPRETATION OF THE LOCAL HONDA DEALERSHIP DIAGNOSIS IS PROVIDED BELOW. POOR HEADLIGHT PERFORMANCE IS ¿NORMAL¿ DUE TO THE OPERATION OF THE ELECTRICAL LOAD DETECTOR (ELD). THE FUNCTION OF THE ELD IS TO PROVIDE ELECTRICAL SYSTEM DEMAND INFORMATION TO THE ONBOARD COMPUTER MODULE. THE ONBOARD COMPUTER THEN USES THE PROVIDED INFORMATION TO ADJUST ALTERNATOR OUTPUT WHICH ULTIMATELY RESULTS IN FUEL SAVINGS. HONDA IS ASSUMING THAT CUSTOMERS ARE WILLING TO SACRIFICE NORMAL HEADLIGHT PERFORMANCE FOR THE POSSIBILITY OF INCREASING FUEL MILEAGE. THE OPERATIONAL DESIGN OF ONE SYSTEM PRODUCES A SIDE AFFECT IN ANOTHER SYSTEM THAT RESULTS IN A SAFETY RISK. RISKS OF OPERATING A VEHICLE WITH POOR HEADLIGHT PERFORMANCE ARE PROVIDED BELOW. 1. REDUCED VISIBILITY AND DRIVING CONCENTRATION COULD RESULT IN A COLLISION. 2. OTHER DRIVERS COULD MISTAKE A HEADLIGHT INTENSITY FLUCTUATION AS AGGRESSIVE DRIVING BEHAVIOR RESULTING IN DRIVER CONFRONTATION.




Please pay attention to the last one and this part especially:
"1. REDUCED VISIBILITY AND DRIVING CONCENTRATION COULD RESULT IN A COLLISION. 2. OTHER DRIVERS COULD MISTAKE A HEADLIGHT INTENSITY FLUCTUATION AS AGGRESSIVE DRIVING BEHAVIOR RESULTING IN DRIVER CONFRONTATION. "



I have personally owned lets say 30-40 different vehicles during my life. Never have had this kind of headlights problem.
SO PLEASE STOP SAYING THIS IS NORMAL AND IT'S NOT A MANUF.ISSUE!!!!

What they are saying is there vehicle does not do those things. if your brake lights come on when accessories or engine stalls i find that hard to believe Honda won't fix it.
Maybe they didn't know cause as of that time.

[native.texan]

Just a little from NHTSA:



I won't waste bandwidth to recap all the NHTSA comments you posted. I have driven my Accord at night, in the rain, and on poorly lit roads. My headlights are fine. Others, who are unaware of the purported problem have rode in my car, and do not notice anything wrong, either. I do emphatize with your situation in that you paid for a car and are not pleased, but quoting entries from NHTSA is neither compelling nor persuasive. It is largely based on an opinion of a driver, and, as you have observed on this site, there are many counterarguments and explanations as to why the headlight issue (or the lack thereof), is a common, if not explainable, phenomena. I will simply repeat what advice was provided to you in your prior posts: If you are not happy with your Honda, trade it.
mike.

[Schu]

Indeed...

I fail to see what trying to convince all of us of the fact that you are not satisfied with your purchase will accomplish? It sounds like your attempting to drum up support for a none existent issue, or issues that others deem perfectly acceptable.

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"If you believe the BS dealership is serving you than live a happy life! My last car 07 Civic never had this problem and none of my other previous cars(toyota,mazda,ford etc.) had one."

-What BS are you refereing to? My dealer has been nothing but supportive and helpful

[BrockPSU]

Indeed...

I fail to see what trying to convince all of us of the fact that you are not satisfied with your purchase will accomplish? It sounds like your attempting to drum up support for a none existent issue, or issues that others deem perfectly acceptable.

Why would I trade my Honda in if I'm not happy??? I only bought one because of Honda's wonderful service records, it is supposed to be a real charger and last for the long haul...and Schu, while others may be impressed with your big words and jargon, please learn to use proper grammar (none existant should be non-existant). Please, if we would like to complain about the issues we are having with the 08, which it seems like there are more people complaining about this generation than ever before, this forum is the best place to do it. I don't think you people know what the real problem here is: Honda has been portrayed in the past as being perfect, and after reading the 8th Gen forum, they just aren't living up to that. :stupid:

[Schu]

I desargeee one gar nu gy.. is there anything else I should learn while I am trying to please you?

[kingule]

I won't waste bandwidth to recap all the NHTSA comments you posted. I have driven my Accord at night, in the rain, and on poorly lit roads. My headlights are fine. Others, who are unaware of the purported problem have rode in my car, and do not notice anything wrong, either. I do emphatize with your situation in that you paid for a car and are not pleased, but quoting entries from NHTSA is neither compelling nor persuasive. It is largely based on an opinion of a driver, and, as you have observed on this site, there are many counterarguments and explanations as to why the headlight issue (or the lack thereof), is a common, if not explainable, phenomena. I will simply repeat what advice was provided to you in your prior posts: If you are not happy with your Honda, trade it.
mike.

I am working on it,believe me.But the main reason for these internet forums is to share your hapiness and share your problems as well, besides helping each other.. As you can see,not all of the Accord owners are just plain happy with their cars and they come here to share their opinions.You might be helping them more If you post your trim and then say you have no problems.Most of the Accord owners posting here about some issues are LX-p owners.It's not really helping anyone to post just " this is not a manuf.problem" on every thread about Accord problems I see here from one fellow member.I believe that we are here to help each other to find out what the problem is ,who has it and who doesn't and then maybe deside to force Honda to take care of it or just simply live with that(or get rid of the car).Advice " trade it in" is not really helping anyone here.I have desided to get rid of my car because I have tooooo many other problems with it .But other people maybe want to hear some solutions and keep the car.So please don't be rude If you see someone unsatisfied with his car only because you are the lucky one with no problems or you are just Honda lover forever.

[knoxstar18]

I 100% completely agree and side with kingule.

People you need to realize that its 2008. Technology has advanced and we (the industry) have come a long way when it comes to making cars that work the way their supposed to. Its almost as if the select few who opted to get a higher end, more expensive honda that aren't having our problems can easily call these problems "normal". The issues I'm having shouldn't be "normal" for a car that cost $23,00 would you agree? I bought the honda based on its history, but I feel a little bamboozled over here. :dunno: I knew I should have went with the 08' Nissan Altima!!!!

But then again, this is an up hill battle that I alone can and will not win. Thank you all for the input, hopefully honda will man up and help some of its "valued customers" Any other opinions would be cool. Lets keep it friendly folks :D

[Schu]

"maybe deside to force Honda to take of it"


here is the main issue we have with you newbs...
There is nothing you have described that rises to this level, not one thing. your descriptions are based solely on non-mechanical issues... they are purely subject tripe. If your car does not fit your needs move on, end of story. trying to drum up a wave of discontent is asinine and rude to the endth degree. The ownership of this car does not represent Nirvana, but its sure is nice... I am enjoying every minute of it

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Best learn to spell, your buddy is watching you

[kingule]

Indeed...

I fail to see what trying to convince all of us of the fact that you are not satisfied with your purchase will accomplish? It sounds like your attempting to drum up support for a none existent issue, or issues that others deem perfectly acceptable.

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"If you believe the BS dealership is serving you than live a happy life! My last car 07 Civic never had this problem and none of my other previous cars(toyota,mazda,ford etc.) had one."

-What BS are you refereing to? My dealer has been nothing but supportive and helpful

SHU -please stay quiet If you have nothing else to say other than "non existent issues" .PLEASE !!! I believe we are not trying to convince anyone about our purchase.We are trying to point some problems our cars are experiencing and find others opinions about it.
I truly believe that Headlights DIM is manuf.issue,I truly believe vibrations are, wind noise is and rattles are too. I did not buy a LEGO to put my car together by myself and make mistakes.I purchased brand new vehicle from the factory and paid good amount of $$$ for it.And I am expecting a solid product.Aren't you?

[knoxstar18]

King-

Agree!!

[BrockPSU]

"maybe deside to force Honda to take of it"


here is the main issue we have with you newbs...
There is nothing you have described that rises to this level, not one thing. your descriptions are based solely on non-mechanical issues... they are purely subject tripe

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Best learn to spell, your buddy is watching you

Once again, I think you continue to make yourself look worse in the other member's eyes. If i was to decide your age based upon your grammar, I would assume that you are still in high school, so maybe this is the first car you could ever drive, and have nothing to compare it to, and that's ok. I have an EX-L with the lighting problem, I am not happy, and I hope that Honda takes care of the issue. Overall, I think it is a quality car that has some small issues. So I think it is time to "rise to the level"!!:salue:

[Schu]

well... if you believe that, I have a bridge for sale

three against one and you folks still cant keep up, whats this educational system coming to.

next subject, i'm dieing to smack you down again

[kingule]

"maybe deside to force Honda to take of it"


here is the main issue we have with you newbs...
There is nothing you have described that rises to this level, not one thing. your descriptions are based solely on non-mechanical issues... they are purely subject tripe. If your car does not fit your needs move on, end of story. trying to drum up a wave of discontent is asinine and rude to the endth degree. The ownership of this car does not represent Nirvana, but its sure is nice... I am enjoying every minute of it

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Best learn to spell, your buddy is watching you

BTW Schu. This car fit my needs very well.I was looking for something bigger that my previous 07 Civic and I truly believed that 08 Accord is the best one in the market.
It is nice looking car with lot of bells and whistles. But what a turn around- I ended up having piece of junk with lots of manuf.problems.How's that?

[native.texan]

So please don't be rude If you see someone unsatisfied with his car only because you are the lucky one with no problems or you are just Honda lover forever.

I am not being rude, just candid. Furthermore, no one is implying that you have a fertile imagination or, in the alternative are making these issues up. My Accord may have problems that, at present, I am unaware of or may even occur down the line; I'm not clairvoyant. Furthermore, I said that I emphasized with your position and, candidly, wish you good luck.

mike.

[knoxstar18]

"maybe deside to force Honda to take of it"


If your car does not fit your needs move on, end of story. trying to drum up a wave of discontent is asinine and rude to the endth degree.
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Best learn to spell, your buddy is watching you

Isn't this forum a place to share your thoughts feelings and concerns about your accord? By golly the last time I checked it was. Schu, thank you for your input but your last thought will do. You've said your peace...that'll be all.

Kingule, hang in there...we're on the same page...I got sack full of empathy over here! Anyone else with positive feedback please join in.

[Schu]

BTW Schu. This car fit my needs very well.I was looking for something bigger that my previous 07 Civic and I truly believed that 08 Accord is the best one in the market.
It is nice looking car with lot of bells and whistles. But what a turn around- I ended up having piece of junk with lots of manuf.problems.How's that?

what bells and whistles are you refering to? I think the honda is well grounded in it's appointments and offerings.

[kingule]

BTW Schu. This car fit my needs very well.I was looking for something bigger that my previous 07 Civic and I truly believed that 08 Accord is the best one in the market.
It is nice looking car with lot of bells and whistles. But what a turn around- I ended up having piece of junk with lots of manuf.problems.How's that?

Let me answer my question.Maybe bad luck... right.How about the others? Bad luck too? Or are we just stupid monkeys making this stuff up just for the fun?
Hm,Shu I don't know.There must be something else. I will give you some more time to figure it out :))

[BrockPSU]

I'm with you guy's. I think that the people that can't believe that a Honda would have a manufacturing problem should go to the "fairy tale Accord" website and spend some time there talking about how great the car is and how much of a boner they get when driving it.

[Schu]

Isn't this forum a place to share your thoughts feelings and concerns about your accord? By golly the last time I checked it was.

Doing so with a measure of intelligence is what we're looking for, if your just bashing a knowingly great car, your nothing more than acting a fool.

[kingule]

I am not being rude, just candid. Furthermore, no one is implying that you have a fertile imagination or, in the alternative are making these issues up. My Accord may have problems that, at present, I am unaware of or may even occur down the line; I'm not clairvoyant. Furthermore, I said that I emphasized with your position and, candidly, wish you good luck.

mike.

Thanks Mike,Its' not my fight anymore.I just can't stand some people being naive and rude to the others coming here for some help.Thats all.

[BrockPSU]

Doing so with a measure of intelligence is what we're looking for, if your just bashing a knowingly great car, your nothing more than acting a fool.

Maybe somebody needs to deflate your head and drop you back down to a little place we call Earth. A "knowingly great car"????? By whose standards? Opinions are just like a$$holes Schu, everybody has one!

[kingule]

Doing so with a measure of intelligence is what we're looking for, if your just bashing a knowingly great car, your nothing more than acting a fool.

Ok ,so here we are :)) Hahaha :)) Every single person here pointing out some of his car issues is Honda hater ,because Honda is knowingly great car . All right.Now I understand where you stand and who you are :)) No need of other replies.Thanks Shu :thmsup:

[knoxstar18]

Thanks Mike,Its' not my fight anymore.I just can't stand some people being naive and rude to the others coming here for some help.Thats all.

Agreed again. We'll let Schu have his say. Whatever helps him sleep at night. But I find with most adolescents, if you don't pay attention to them, they'll usually go away. So with that said, I'm done taking consideration to anything he has to regurgitate on this thread I started for positive feedback. Done and done!!

On a brighter note...Kingule, lets keep a heads up in the coming months to see if
1:the number of people having problems grows
2:If honda wants to take responsibility and issue a TSB or TBS (whatever its called)

[Kenwood]

I had to go out and turn the AC on and run it at lunch and try it... I Dont have any vibration at idle or elsewhere.. Not saying the problem is nonexistant, just saying its not there on all 4cyl cars...Or if its gooing to happen it hasnt yet.. My headlights do lightly flicker..But I had to look hard for it after reading the forums.. But again that topic seems to vary as people have different degrees of flicker..

[kingule]

Agreed again. We'll let Schu have his say. Whatever helps him sleep at night. But I find with most adolescents, if you don't pay attention to them, they'll usually go away. So with that said, I'm done taking consideration to anything he has to regurgitate on this thread I started for positive feedback. Done and done!!

On a brighter note...Kingule, lets keep a heads up in the coming months to see if
1:the number of people having problems grows
2:If honda wants to take responsibility and issue a TSB or TBS (whatever its called)

I believe they will. It's a first year production and they are still trying to find out the bugs.There is already a lot of people hating their cars for this or the other issues.The only thing that doesn't seems right is the amount of the problem cars produced in a first year.Maybe it's got something to do with the poor materials Honda is using from other companies to save some money and keep the cost low.You can see this trend on every other " top notch" producer here (Honda ,Toyota) with a good name from their past while the other "low end" car productions (US cars,Huyndai etc)are trying to improve the build quality from the fresh start of the new line.It's interesting.Well let's hope that Honda and Toyota won't outsleep ahead of the others.

[Schu]

But I find with most adolescents, if you don't pay attention to them, they'll usually go away.


Funny, I was one of the original ones to offered "words of encouragement"

Funny, I was one of the original ones that offered possible explanations for the issue if in fact it is an issue... "Clutch related"

Think of it this way and you can perhaps better grip the issue at hand, If your experiencing problems, Honda will fix them under warranty... if your here to vent because your insulated world has just come crashing down around you based solely on your lack of mechanical knowledge and what perhaps constitutes warranty issues, your gonna catch a beating... this is an open forum as you say :wave

[Schu]

I believe they will. It's a first year production and they are still trying to find out the bugs.There is already a lot of people hating their cars for this or the other issues.The only thing that doesn't seems right is the amount of the problem cars produced in a first year.Maybe it's got something to do with the poor materials Honda is using from other companies to save some money and keep the cost low.You can see this trend on every other " top notch" producer here (Honda ,Toyota) with a good name from their past while the other "low end" car productions (US cars,Huyndai etc)are trying to improve the build quality from the fresh start of the new line.It's interesting.Well let's hope that Honda and Toyota won't outsleep ahead of the others.


That complete incomplete paragraph is asinine.. LOL. Where do you get your info, over the internet?

[BrockPSU]

Funny, I was one of the original ones to offered "words of encouragement"

Funny, I was one of the original ones that offered possible explanations for the issue if in fact it is an issue... "Clutch related"

Think of it this way and you can perhaps better grip the issue at hand, If your experiencing problems, Honda will fix them under warranty... if your here to vent because your insulated world has just come crashing down around you based solely on your lack of mechanical knowledge and what perhaps constitutes warranty issues, your gonna catch a beating... this is an open forum as you say :wave

How much mechanical knowledge do you really have? I have helped restore quite a few classic cars, a 72 El Camino SS, 65 Mustang fastback, and a 59 Corvette. All frame-off resto's. And nonoe of those older cars ever had the headlights flicker, and yes 2 of them do have AC!

[kingule]

Funny, I was one of the original ones to offered "words of encouragement"

Funny, I was one of the original ones that offered possible explanations for the issue if in fact it is an issue... "Clutch related"

Think of it this way and you can perhaps better grip the issue at hand, If your experiencing problems, Honda will fix them under warranty... if your here to vent because your insulated world has just come crashing down around you based solely on your lack of mechanical knowledge and what perhaps constitutes warranty issues, your gonna catch a beating... this is an open forum as you say :wave

The real problem is that HONDA won't fix the headlights dim,because they say it's normal.Just read on Edmunds,Yahoo or elsewhere. It's not just me or him.There is lot of people with this issue.
Maybe it's normal for 8th gen Accord,but it is NOT normal comparing to the other cars on the market.Well and that makes me say : IT IS A MANUF.ISSUE.
On the other hand you see one Accord owner with this problem and other with no problem whatsoever.So maybe Honda needs more time and more people to complain about it and then maybe they will look into it and perhaps bring some fix.

[Schu]

any maker will address and issue if enough people complain, even if it really is not an issue. Handfuls of cars headlights, spread out over handfuls of makers, will flicker... this is a current draw, its a non(e) issue

[Schu]

And nonoe of those older cars ever had the headlights flicker, and yes 2 of them do have AC!

hey... do you know how to spell or what :banana:

[BrockPSU]

hey... do you know how to spell or what :banana:

I'll give you that buddy, you got me there!!

[kingule]

That complete incomplete paragraph is asinine.. LOL. Where do you get your info, over the internet?

You have seen my previous post with some comments from NHTSA right?
So here is little more from Edmunds:
Vehicle
2008 Honda Accord EX-L 2dr Coupe w/Navigation (2.4L 4cyl 5M)
Review
This is my first Honda purchase. And I am very disappointed in the car I bought. For this kind of money, you can get a luxury vehicle with way fewer problems. First servicing took a whole day (so many problems) and still had to take it back. Problems with steering wheel, windows & seals, seats (electric and heater). It is a loud car.



Vehicle
2008 Honda Accord EX 2dr Coupe (2.4L 4cyl 5M)
Review
Since leasing my accord in Oct: 1: it broke down in December - had to replace the overhead cams, fuel injectors, battery and a few other things 2: in Feb I discover there is an oil leak 3: in Feb I feel a vibration when driving - have a rim & tire replaced and all tires balanced. Honda didn't have the specs to do a front end alignment and told me to wait 4: I meet with an arbitrator who then gets the car aligned - still vibrating 5: the car averages less then 20MPG in a good week. Sometimes as low as 17 6: I'm waiting to see what goes next?



Vehicle
2008 Honda Accord EX-L V-6 4dr Sedan (3.5L 6cyl 5A)
Review
I cannot say how disappointed I am with this car. Horrible transmission - long delays while upshifting, slam on the brakes feeling while downshifting. Do not buy this car if you are looking for a smooth ride. VCM feature makes it feel like the car is constantly hunting for gears at 60-70 mph. Fuel economy is horrendous -- 17 in the city at best, even despite the VCM. Honda says car is "operating normally" so if you think you're going to do better, it's not likely.




Vehicle
2008 Honda Accord EX-L V-6 4dr Sedan (3.5L 6cyl 5A)
Review
I am so disappointed in this car. The VCM system has basically ruined what would otherwise be an exceptional car. Contrary to what Honda says, the VCM transitions are NOT seamless, and IS noticeable to the passengers. I am not optimistic about Honda fixing this, and am ready to take a loss intrading the vehicle in on something different with only a few hundred miles on it. My '07 Accord V-6 is a vastly superior vehicle.



and next: http://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=2201268&postid=32806215


and next: http://www.honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=2201268&page=7

and next: http://www.driveaccord.net/forums/showthread.php?p=208195

and next: http://www.vtec.net/forums/one-message?message_id=753862&page_number=1


Is it enough ? Do I need to waste more time with you only because you live in Honda heaven?

[Schu]

those are not founded objective issues... those are merely subjective judgements, there is a difference. there is nothing there.

[Schu]

Vehicle
2008 Honda Accord EX-L V-6 4dr Sedan (3.5L 6cyl 5A)
Review
I am so disappointed in this car. The VCM system has basically ruined what would otherwise be an exceptional car. Contrary to what Honda says, the VCM transitions are NOT seamless, and IS noticeable to the passengers. I am not optimistic about Honda fixing this, and am ready to take a loss intrading the vehicle in on something different with only a few hundred miles on it. My '07 Accord V-6 is a vastly superior vehicle.
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Where is the issue with this statement? there is NONE! Please point out to me where the mechaincal issue is?

[BrockPSU]

Vehicle

Where is the issue with this statement? there is NONE! Please point out to me where the mechaincal issue is?

Hmmmmm........well, I guess the mechanical issue is that the transmission isn't shifting correctly. Am I right? Or am I right? Huh, huh, huh?

[clewttu]

Hmmmmm........well, I guess the mechanical issue is that the transmission isn't shifting correctly. Am I right? Or am I right? Huh, huh, huh?

Actually, no you aren't:
On Accord Coupe V-6 models with automatic transmission, the V-6 engine features the latest generation of Variable Cylinder Management™ (VCM®) technology. This system can activate and deactivate the engine’s cylinders as needed to meet the demands of both acceleration and fuel savings. When maximum torque is required, all six cylinders are firing. During steady cruising speeds , VCM shuts down one bank of cylinders. In this mode, the audio system’s Active Noise Cancellation™ (ANC) function generates out-of-phase sound waves to cancel out any undesirable noise that may be due to the harmonics of 3-cylinder operation. As cruising speed increases the engine moves to a 4-cylinder mode for extra cruising power. To help keep engine vibration from reaching the cabin in every mode, engine mounts automatically adjusts their firmness to help absorb energy. The transition between the three operating modes is completely seamless and goes unnoticed by the Accord’s passengers.

Can you guys let this childish argument go? Yes, a new car may have issues, and yes it seems that the vast majority of people on here don't have them. If someone does let them bring it up. If you can offer advice and help, do it. Arguing about grammar and such belongs somewhere else. Issues due to personal preference of driving comfort are really nothing to complain about as you should know what you are getting into before you sign your name. Issues of defective workmanship should be handled with a relative amount of ease at a dealership (assuming its a credible issue).

[Schu]

VCM and the transmissions are two different systems did you know that? the VCM is the automobiles ability to switch off cylinders to attain better economy, the transmission is... well... a transmission.

You beat me to it

[BrockPSU]

My bad. But I still consider that to be a mechanical problem by any means.

[Bruce Hawkins]

I have a 2001, and the AC makes noise, and has vibration, too. I noticed it seemed to cycle a lot, so I took it to my local Honda dealership. It got it looked at and recharged. My noise and vibration, is now worse...