Any J-vin 8th Gen owners here?

[Inspector1]

Just wondered how many J-vin 8th Gen owners are on the forum?

I1:)

[Accordlover]

You can pretty much nix any V6, LX I4 or LX-P I4's from the J-Vin list. I'd bet the majority of J-Vin Accords on here are 4cyl 5MT EX models. There may be a few 5MT LX's with a J-Vin that are early production.

[Ice]

*raises hand*

EX-L Sedan i4

[Inspector1]

In my local area. From 600 Accords NO COUPES - V6's
Only sedan's 4cyl Auto
EX-L= 7
EX= 16
LX-P= 3
LX= 10

So a total of 36 J Vins.

I1:)

[JamieJam1AIM]

ok at the risk of sounding stupid..lol since I dont know "everything" what the F#$%^ is a J vin?

[krazyfiend]

ok at the risk of sounding stupid..lol since I dont know "everything" what the F#$%^ is a J vin?

Japan made/produced car

J-vin = vin # begins w/ a 'J' ....denoting where it was put together


it's arguable whether J-vin Honda's have tighter tolerances & are better put together... but if it tells you what side of the argument I'm on... when I went looking at coupes back in October, it was one of the first things I inquired about on the lot...'where are the J-vin coupes, do you have any, will any be made and how much of the marysville OH ones are put together there (percentage wise, block, tranny, etc)?'

[Accordlover]

Japan made/produced car

J-vin = vin # begins w/ a 'J' ....denoting where it was put together


it's arguable whether J-vin Honda's have tighter tolerances & are better put together... but if it tells you what side of the argument I'm on... when I went looking at coupes back in October, it was one of the first things I inquired about on the lot...'where are the J-vin coupes, do you have any, will any be made and how much of the marysville OH ones are put together there (percentage wise, block, tranny, etc)?'

There are no J-Vin coupes. As all Coupes are for the North American Market.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, in my personal experience, an Accord put together by the Japanese vs. an Ohio one is noticeably tighter as far as gap tolerances, and other quality control factors. The most noticeable difference I've yet to come across was my Mom's J-Vin 1995 Accord EXL Sedan and My 1996 Accord LX Sedan, built in Ohio. The doors on her car closed differently than mine, the windows, locks etc sounded better, moved faster, her A/C controls felt better put together, and her panels were much better spaced than mine. The dash also had no gaps at all, whereas my dash sags underneath in one spot where it was never put together right.

Keep in mind, her car had 260k miles, and mine had 104k miles when I made this little comparison. In my opinion, that shows something.

I recently did the same comparison between my J-Vin build 86 Accord, and one of our members', RussianKid's USA 89 Accord. The most noticeable thing to me was how his doors open and close differently than mine, his car steers differently than mine, and his clutch is much different (might be something he changed tho) but overall, they seem pretty on par with each other from being 3yrs and 130k apart in mileage.

It's all subjective, but if I can find a Jap Accord I'll take it. They may be made with plenty of the same parts but I don't think Americans take as much pride in assembling a Honda as do the Japanese. Canadian Build quality however, has proven to be very good from what I've seen. :yes:

[Aviography]

You are comparing to cars that were built some 15 years ago!? Lots of things can and have changed.

My Japan built 84' CRX had CVCC carborator problems after a few years nobody knew how to fix, the cabin air inlet lip at base of windshield allowed water to get into the cabin very discretly and eventually rusted out the passenger floor under the carpet, one of the rear hatch hinge rusted so bad it eventually snapped! Had to free it up with WD-40 and had it welded back on, the rear suspension torque tube had a poorly designed internal component that I had to figure out and replace myself, the air-conditioning sight-glass assembly fractured and blew refreigent oil everywhere under the hood.

But I still bought Honda product, well actually Acura product for my next two cars, they both had problems but likely a lot less than other domestic brands from the Big Three.

I was hesitant in buying my Ohio built Accord Coupe, at the end I decided to give it a try, so far the only anomaly has been the windshield fluid motor quit on me a couple of months after I got the car, otherwise the car has been just fine, my only *minor* complaint was the day/light lever of the rearview mirror seems to be very sticky in the winter time.

Both problems could easily have occured with a car built in Japan.

Otherwise this Ohio built Coupe has been no issues at all in fit and finish.

[Accordlover]

You are comparing to cars that were built some 15 years ago!? Lots of things can and have changed.

I can make more comparisons. :thumbsup:

2 2003 Accord EX I4's, bought 3 days apart, both Satin Silver Metallic, one MT, one AT.

AT is from US

MT from JP

In 60k miles...

US 03 had bubbling trim. Japanese one did not.
US 03 had 3 distinct rattles. Japanese one did not.
US 03's sunroof got stuck. Japanese one did not.
Cubby door on the US 03 wouldn't stay shut. Japanese one did not.
US 03's Horn was crooked and the dealer never got it straight.

The US 03 is gone, and the JP 03 is still here, with about 64k miles. No issues. :yes: My dad traded the US 03 for a Volvo S40 in 2004 after putting 70k on it in one year. My godfather has the JP 03, and he will keep it until 2012.

[Inspector1]

You are comparing to cars that were built some 15 years ago!? Lots of things can and have changed.

My Japan built 84' CRX had CVCC carborator problems after a few years nobody knew how to fix, the cabin air inlet lip at base of windshield allowed water to get into the cabin very discretly and eventually rusted out the passenger floor under the carpet, one of the rear hatch hinge rusted so bad it eventually snapped! Had to free it up with WD-40 and had it welded back on, the rear suspension torque tube had a poorly designed internal component that I had to figure out and replace myself, the air-conditioning sight-glass assembly fractured and blew refreigent oil everywhere under the hood.

But I still bought Honda product, well actually Acura product for my next two cars, they both had problems but likely a lot less than other domestic brands from the Big Three.

I was hesitant in buying my Ohio built Accord Coupe, at the end I decided to give it a try, so far the only anomaly has been the windshield fluid motor quit on me a couple of months after I got the car, otherwise the car has been just fine, my only *minor* complaint was the day/light lever of the rearview mirror seems to be very sticky in the winter time.

Both problems could easily have occured with a car built in Japan.

Otherwise this Ohio built Coupe has been no issues at all in fit and finish.


Glad your Coupe has been problem free:yes:. "84" was pre US steel...Lots of rust problems for Honda and Toyota. Honda carbs had issue's and it was extremely hard to get them repaired.

I1:)

[Technotiger]

I have an EX-L sedan (Polished Metal Metallic made Nov 2007) that has a J VIN. Bought in February. My mom bought an EX-L Sedan last month (Alibaster Silver made Feb 2007) that had a 1 VIN. Both came from the same dealer here in California. Go figure!

[Accordlover]

Glad your Coupe has been problem free:yes:. "84" was pre US steel...Lots of rust problems for Honda and Toyota. Honda carbs had issue's and it was extremely hard to get them repaired.

I1:)

Oy ve! The rust issue.

My car has one little big of rust, and that's it (86), I've very lucky! - It was an AZ car.

And about the carbs, nobody wants to bother with them. The Honda/Acura specialist I sued to work for turned people away as too often the Carbs had to come back over and over to get them right, or they just wouldn't hold an adjustment, it was a mess. I took my Accord into a dealer recently and the service writer didn't know Accords ever had carburetors...oh jeez.

Weber carbs are the solution to the issue, though if I needed a new carb I'd probably go get myself an LX-i, fuel injection and all. :)

CVCC's were the worst. Followed by the 86-89 Carbs. Thankfully, my 20k old one is just showing signs of a minor choke adjustment needed... I hope it stays that way. :paranoid:

[MotorCity Honda]

There are no J-Vin coupes. As all Coupes are for the North American Market.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, in my personal experience, an Accord put together by the Japanese vs. an Ohio one is noticeably tighter as far as gap tolerances, and other quality control factors. The most noticeable difference I've yet to come across was my Mom's J-Vin 1995 Accord EXL Sedan and My 1996 Accord LX Sedan, built in Ohio. The doors on her car closed differently than mine, the windows, locks etc sounded better, moved faster, her A/C controls felt better put together, and her panels were much better spaced than mine. The dash also had no gaps at all, whereas my dash sags underneath in one spot where it was never put together right.

Keep in mind, her car had 260k miles, and mine had 104k miles when I made this little comparison. In my opinion, that shows something.

I recently did the same comparison between my J-Vin build 86 Accord, and one of our members', RussianKid's USA 89 Accord. The most noticeable thing to me was how his doors open and close differently than mine, his car steers differently than mine, and his clutch is much different (might be something he changed tho) but overall, they seem pretty on par with each other from being 3yrs and 130k apart in mileage.

It's all subjective, but if I can find a Jap Accord I'll take it. They may be made with plenty of the same parts but I don't think Americans take as much pride in assembling a Honda as do the Japanese. Canadian Build quality however, has proven to be very good from what I've seen. :yes:

*devils advocate*
You need a much larger sample size in order for your observations to be statistically valid

[Accordlover]

*devils advocate*
You need a much larger sample size in order for your observations to be statistically valid

I believe I said this was a matter of my own personal experiences. I've made no factual statement regarding the quality of a US built Honda and a Japanese Built Honda.:dunno:

I've said it before and I'll say it again, in my personal experience, an Accord put together by the Japanese vs. an Ohio one is noticeably tighter as far as gap tolerances, and other quality control factors.

[MotorCity Honda]

I believe I said this was a matter of my own personal experiences. I've made no factual statement regarding the quality of a US built Honda and a Japanese Built Honda.:dunno:


I read/comprehended what you said...

[ItsaHonda]

Sorry, I don't buy the J-vins are better argument.

I am not opposed to buying a J-vin vehicle, but I'm also not so quick to discredit American labor. All of my Accords (83, 96, 06 and now the 07) have been from the Marysville plant. I've owned one J-vin Honda, which was my 1981 Honda Civic wagon. I've compared my 96 Accord to a J-vin model and other than a few minor differences (the cup holder lid opened up in the opposite direction and the ashtray and cigarette lighter were switched around in the J-vin version) there were no other differences in materials, gaps, etc. Actually, my car had more miles and was in better condition. No two cars that old are going to be exactly alike. Have they been subjected to the same climates, driving style, service history, etc.?

There ARE differences (for the better) even between the 06 and the 07 (both 1-vin). The 06 was plagued with interior rattles and flaws in some of the interior trim. The 07 has been rattle free for the most part and the interior trim is flawless. I blame this primarily on the 06 being an early production MMC model. With nearly 60k combined miles on both, I've not had any significant issues of any kind. My sister's 03 Accord I4 EX is also a 1-vin and has covered over 110k miles needing nothing more than an O2 sensor, stereo headunit (covered under goodwill warranty) and basic maintenance. Her interior is still 100% rattle free. The 83 Accord nor the 81 Civic have ever had problems with the original carburators and the 96 Accord has set the benchmark for dependability in my driveway.

[MotorCity Honda]

Sorry, I don't buy the J-vins are better argument.

I am not opposed to buying a J-vin vehicle, but I'm also not so quick to discredit American labor. All of my Accords (83, 96, 06 and now the 07) have been from the Marysville plant. I've owned one J-vin Honda, which was my 1981 Honda Civic wagon. I've compared my 96 Accord to a J-vin model and other than a few minor differences (the cup holder lid opened up in the opposite direction and the ashtray and cigarette lighter were switched around in the J-vin version) there were no other differences in materials, gaps, etc. Actually, my car had more miles and was in better condition. No two cars that old are going to be exactly alike. Have they been subjected to the same climates, driving style, service history, etc.?

The 83 Accord nor the 81 Civic have ever had problems with the original carburators.


I would tend to agree


In todays global market OEM's have the same suppliers for all components or at least trying to get to that point... During the RFQ (request for quote) phase if you cannot support a global platform you are not even a contender.

So:
Same component suppliers
Same prints
Same manufacturing concepts (Kaizen/lean/six sigma methodology)

The only delta as I see it is the work force... That can (and does) play a role into the final product but not in the areas of fit and finish that has been voiced in this thread

*let the flaming begin*

[mcpdjohn]

According to my understanding of this thread, the quality of my 08 V6 Accord is suspect because it was made in Marysville, OH. With 7K miles on the odometer the car remains flawless. It's so perfect, its almost boring because I have nothing to whine or snivel about. But I like it!

[turbodave]

In deference to "accordlover". I think the quality in the 8th gens are too close to call.

Before I bought mine I test drove two sedans.

1 an EX-L white 4I, 5AT, it was a J vin
second was my present car, a Marysville EX-L white diamond V6, 5AT

Other than the obvious differences in trim levels, the two cars, quality wise seemed identical. Fit, finish, etc.

[Accordlover]

In case I'm being mis-understood, I simply like J-Vin Honda products better, I'm not discrediting the quality of either side of the sea. In my personal experience, J-Vins have held together better in the long run. Maybe that's just a coincidence, but we've all got certain things we prefer, right?

[stevencrosbie]

I see a lot of confirmation bias here....

I doubt the Japan ones are better....(kinda like the discussions on the Toyota forums talking about the Indiana vs San Antonio Plants)......

[npolite]

In case I'm being mis-understood, I simply like J-Vin Honda products better, I'm not discrediting the quality of either side of the sea. In my personal experience, J-Vins have held together better in the long run. Maybe that's just a coincidence, but we've all got certain things we prefer, right?

The only thing I can say is that our 95 Accord's paint didn't hold it's shine as well as our 95 Intergra which was a J-Vin. I waxed both cars 2 times a year with the same polish. Besides that the Accord has had no major issues.

[MotorCity Honda]

The only thing I can say is that our 95 Accord's paint didn't hold it's shine as well as our 95 Intergra which was a J-Vin. I waxed both cars 2 times a year with the same polish. Besides that the Accord has had no major issues.

I would think this is a very true scenario - Paint is a totally different ball of wax.... paint varies.. especially now with stringent geographic VOC regulations.

Paint quality can (and does) vary

[kendallguy]

Not Me. I have an HGCS VIN. hehehehehe

[Inspector1]

I would think this is a very true scenario - Paint is a totally different ball of wax.... paint varies.. especially now with stringent geographic VOC regulations.

Paint quality can (and does) vary That's my thought!!!

I am not overly pleased with the paint quality (contamination below final coats)on my 6th gen and the Pilot...

I guess it is like finding a diamond in the rough.

I1:)