has anyone come across click at first bake application in a.m.
dealers said normal operation .but you can shim front caliper
with business cards to stop for a little while.please help?

Same thing here, dealer said it is the pads moving. It happens on the first brake after being in reverse and going into drive or first brake after going into reverse from drive. I think it is rather loud. I am not so sure of my 2003 brakes at all. Have been in the shop at 3200 miles for periodic brake vibrations and noises when stopping. dealer said normal and to give it 500 more miles to see if it goes away.

If it's a growl & sometimes you can catch the feeling in the peddle, it's the brake system doing it's "check". All part of the high-tech machines! ;)

ABS Grunts When Doing a
Self-Check
NOTE: This article applies to '98–03 Accords,
'96–03 Civics, '00–03 S2000s, '97–01 Preludes,
'00–03 Insights, '03 Pilots, '98–03 Odysseys, and
'97–03 CR-Vs.
If the owner of a vehicle equipped with a
"compact" ABS complains of hearing a grunt or
groan when backing or moving the vehicle
forward after it's been sitting awhile, it may just be
the ABS doing its self-check. A compact ABS has a
modulator, a pump, and an accumulator all rolled
into one, and the system is designed to do a self-check
when the vehicle is moved forward or
backward after sitting. So the grunt is normal; it
doesn't mean there's a problem with the ABS.
You can demo to your customer how this ABS
self-check works by connecting the PGM Tester to
the 16P data link connector, and running the
function test. (This test cycles the ABS solenoid
and runs the ABS pump.) The noise from the test
may be louder than the noise made by the ABS
self-check, but it lets your customer hear the noise
and helps you determine if the noise is ABS-related
or coming from another source.

Can't thank you enough for all the info, this makes me feel a lot better. My husband thinks it is rather archaic that such a new modern vehicle makes such grunts and growls. I was aware that both the Civic and the Accord are noisy when I bought mine but I really like the vehicle especially now with the gas prices so high. I will copy the above reply and send it to my dealer who did not know what I was talking about. Thanks again

I happened to know where to get the info on this one. You're welcome! Enjoy your new Accord!

Originally posted by princess
ABS Grunts When Doing a
Self-Check
NOTE: This article applies to '98–03 Accords,
'96–03 Civics, '00–03 S2000s, '97–01 Preludes,
'00–03 Insights, '03 Pilots, '98–03 Odysseys, and
'97–03 CR-Vs.
If the owner of a vehicle equipped with a
"compact" ABS complains of hearing a grunt or
groan when backing or moving the vehicle
forward after it's been sitting awhile, it may just be
the ABS doing its self-check. A compact ABS has a
modulator, a pump, and an accumulator all rolled
into one, and the system is designed to do a self-check
when the vehicle is moved forward or
backward after sitting. So the grunt is normal; it
doesn't mean there's a problem with the ABS.
You can demo to your customer how this ABS
self-check works by connecting the PGM Tester to
the 16P data link connector, and running the
function test. (This test cycles the ABS solenoid
and runs the ABS pump.) The noise from the test
may be louder than the noise made by the ABS
self-check, but it lets your customer hear the noise
and helps you determine if the noise is ABS-related
or coming from another source.

princess... where do you get the latest recalls/bullitens ie like the one you just posted??

thanks meaccord

directly from Honda via a site for technicians.

princess,

Is the site something you could share with us?
I know there are alot of TSBs posted on hoda-pilot.org, and they provide lots of useful information.

If the site itself is not open to the public, perhaps we could add a TSB section in the Honda Direct section.

Wardsweb, any thoughts?

Sorry, no I can't give anyone access to this site. It's technicians only. (My prince is a Honda tech) There's things such as "key codes" that the general public shouldn't have. If there were an area here, I'd gladly pass on info on recalls, bulletins, etc. I try to watch for problems & pass on info I have on the subject. I do have access to the info on more years & models of Hondas. On this site can pass on OEM instructions for nearly anything Honda. I'll gladly be whatever help I can be!

We also used to frequent the Pilot forum. We learned alot about the Pilot before we bought one thanks to them.

If you run across a problem, ask, I may be able to get the answer!:)

Hey Princess, Do you know if all 2003 Accords have a lot of frame noise? This just drives us crazy. My husband calls it bad engineering. It just seems that I get all kinds of body noises when I am driving around town. This car does well on the highway though.

Service Bulletin
 2003 American Honda Motor Co., Inc. – All Rights Reserved ATB 25519 (0309) 1 of 3
CUSTOMER INFORMATION: The information in this bulletin is intended for use only by skilled technicians who have the proper tools, equipment,
and training to correctly and safely maintain your vehicle. These procedures should not be attempted by “do-it-yourselfers,” and you should not assume
this bulletin applies to your vehicle, or that your vehicle has the condition described. To determine whether this information applies, contact an
authorized Honda automobile dealer.
September 23, 2003
03-058
Applies To: 2003 Accord – See VEHICLES AFFECTED
Creaking or Popping When Accelerating and Decelerating
SYMPTOM
A creaking or popping when accelerating and
decelerating.
PROBABLE CAUSE
Body panels are rubbing against each other at the front
of the floor tunnel.
VEHICLES AFFECTED
2003 Accord L4
2-door:
From VIN 1HGCM7...3A000001 thru
1HGCM7...3A020335
4-door:
From VIN 1HGCM5...3A000001 thru
1HGCM5...3A068936
2003 Accord V6
2-door:
From VIN 1HGCM8...3A000001 thru
1HGCM8...3A022702
4-door:
From VIN 1HGCM6...3A000001 thru
1HGCM6...3A050879
CORRECTIVE ACTION
Add two welds so the body panels do not rub against
each other.
PARTS INFORMATION
Pre-Chamber Gasket (L4 models):
P/N: 18393-SH3-S00, H/C 3228806
Pre-Chamber Gasket (V6 models):
P/N 18393-SDB-A00, H/C 7245194
Exhaust Pipe Gasket:
P/N 18302-SP0-003, H/C 3647914
10 mm Self-Locking Nut (six required):
P/N 90212-SA5-003, H/C 1169812
REQUIRED MATERIALS
3M UltraPro Auto Sealant (clear) (5 oz. tube):
3M P/N 051135-08302
(One tube repairs about five vehicles.)
WARRANTY CLAIM INFORMATION
In warranty: The normal warranty applies.
Operation Number: 812004
Flat Rate Time: 1.5 hours
Failed Part: P/N 65100-SDA-A10ZZ
H/C 7141005
Defect Code: 042
Contention Code: B07
Template ID: 03-058A (L4 models)
03-058B (V6 models)
Skill Level: Repair Technician
Out of warranty: Any repair performed after warranty
expiration may be eligible for goodwill consideration by
the District Parts and Service Manager or your Zone
Office. You must request consideration, and get a
decision, before starting work.
DIAGNOSIS
1. Check with your customer to find out if this noise
happens just once when driving the vehicle after it
has been sitting for a while.
• If this is the case, your customer may be hearing
the ABS self-check. Refer to the article “ABS
Grunt When Doing a Self-Check” in the
November 2002 issue of ServiceNews. The
self-check for the 2003 Accord V6 is particularly
noticeable and could easily be mistaken for a
body creak or pop. Return the vehicle to your
customer, and explain the reason for the noise.
• If this is noise happens under various conditions,
go to step 2.
2. Park the vehicle on an incline. Make sure the
parking brake is fully set.
3. Start the engine. For A/T models, shift into Drive,
and lightly tap the accelerator; for M/T models,
press the clutch pedal, shift into 1st gear, slowly
release the clutch pedal, and lightly tap the
accelerator.
• If you hear a creak or pop each time you tap the
accelerator, go to step 4.
• If you do not hear a creak or pop, disregard this
service bulletin, and continue with normal
troubleshooting procedures.
4. Raise the vehicle on a lift.

How about the PDI for the 2004 Accord.
At least, I think that is what it's called.

Saw one for the Pilot on Honda-Pilot.org.
It shows the things the dealer should do before the customer takes delivery.

Would be nice to ensure my dealer didn't miss anything.

Thanks in advance!