Alright, so I've started a thread on whether or not a V6 is faster than a Porsche Boxter, but now I want to slightly change that question to see to which cars an 08 Accord is superior to. Now I chose "The Pit" for this question because I didn't want anyone to get pissed off about wasting space in actual gen specific sub-forums.

So the story is this: When I'm driving around in my I4, I'm always wondering what cars I can and cannot outrun when it REALLY comes down to it. I don't race on streets, I don't race period. But there is this inkling of road-rage that comes over me once in a while, and I need some hard facts from you racers. Which one of the following cars CAN I outrun behind a redlight in an 08 I4 automatic (assuming the opposing cars are automatic as well):

Hyundai Tiburon/Sonata/Alzera(or whatever its called)
Honda Civic/Fit
Lexus IS250
Nissan 350Z/Altima Coupe/Maxima
Toyota Camry/Corolla/Matrix
MAYBE even some 3 series of a C-Class
as well as any other comparable car you can think of.


These cars are predominantly "daddy's car" in the area I live in, and I encounter a lot of snotty 16 year olds behind the wheel reving their engines like its a ferrari. Being as immature as I am, I wouldn't mind teaching them a lesson. Let me know which one of the above are easy takes, and please no hardship about why I'm occasionally doing what I do

Thanks, Arash :banana:

I was one of those "snotty 16 year olds" in my 2003 Mercedes-Benz C240 I guess... :dunno:

:lmao:

Alright, so I've started a thread on whether or not a V6 is faster than a Porsche Boxter, but now I want to slightly change that question to see to which cars an 08 Accord is superior to. Now I chose "The Pit" for this question because I didn't want anyone to get pissed off about wasting space in actual gen specific sub-forums.

So the story is this: When I'm driving around in my I4, I'm always wondering what cars I can and cannot outrun when it REALLY comes down to it. I don't race on streets, I don't race period. But there is this inkling of road-rage that comes over me once in a while, and I need some hard facts from you racers. Which one of the following cars CAN I outrun behind a redlight in an 08 I4 automatic (assuming the opposing cars are automatic as well):

Hyundai Tiburon/Sonata/Alzera(or whatever its called)
Honda Civic/Fit
Lexus IS250
Nissan 350Z/Altima Coupe/Maxima
Toyota Camry/Corolla/Matrix
MAYBE even some 3 series of a C-Class
as well as any other comparable car you can think of.


These cars are predominantly "daddy's car" in the area I live in, and I encounter a lot of snotty 16 year olds behind the wheel reving their engines like its a ferrari. Being as immature as I am, I wouldn't mind teaching them a lesson. Let me know which one of the above are easy takes, and please no hardship about why I'm occasionally doing what I do

Thanks, Arash :banana:

it's going to entirely depend on WHO is behind the wheel of all of the cars.....

the list of comparable cars aren't all really comparable, but that doesn't really matter if you just want to know if you can outrun them anyway.

plus, you NEVER know what in the world someone has done under the hood.... who's car is a sleeper. all of that kind of stuff.

only way you'll know if you can outrun each of those cars or any other is to go to a track and drive each one yourself and time yourself. then you can rank them on a somewhat comparable basis, even though there is still room for human error on alot of fronts there. for instance, you may drive the accord that you are familiar with alot differently than you'd drive a 350z that you are not familiar with and have no idea how it handles. catch my drift?

one thing i can say is if you go out and drive various cars, you can feel the so called butt dyno. one car claims more hp, but doesn't have the torque and doesn't feel fast. others die out in high rpm's. others have a dead spot. so all in all i tend to put no stock in the numbers. heck, in my tsx, if you drive it like a granny, it doesn't feel like it has too much power (still plenty for my liking, but nothing to be amazed at). but rev it and you'll find alot of what you thought was missing. fwiw~when i had a 2000 civic lx automatic with some piddly amount of hp (i think 104?) and my mom had an altima with about 170, that civic sure pulled alot better than the altima. the altima had a dead, nonreactive area that was so annoying to me. but on paper, the altima looks like it should beat the civic hands down. it just didn't add up to me.

well, hope that made sense in the way i was trying to get it to go.......

I say you CAN outrun the Camry, Corolla, Matrix, Altima, Sonota, Tiburon, Civic, & Fit.

The rest........:sorry:

I wouldn’t even think about the BMW, C-Class, or Lex…

Just my .02!

one thing i can say is if you go out and drive various cars, you can feel the so called butt dyno. one car claims more hp, but doesn't have the torque and doesn't feel fast. others die out in high rpm's. others have a dead spot. so all in all i tend to put no stock in the numbers. heck, in my tsx, if you drive it like a granny, it doesn't feel like it has too much power (still plenty for my liking, but nothing to be amazed at). but rev it and you'll find alot of what you thought was missing. fwiw~when i had a 2000 civic lx automatic with some piddly amount of hp (i think 104?) and my mom had an altima with about 170, that civic sure pulled alot better than the altima. the altima had a dead, nonreactive area that was so annoying to me. but on paper, the altima looks like it should beat the civic hands down. it just didn't add up to me.



That is very true. Just comparing my Passat to my Accord is intresting. You'd expect the Accord with its larger 3.0L engine and 10 more hp to be faster, and at the end of the run to 60mph, it probably is. The 2.8 in the Passat has less displacement but unlike the Accord, all of it's torque is available at 3,200 rpm. That translates into the Passat feeling like a "faster" car in normal driving. Punch the throttle and the car will surve forward. The Accord wakes up at about 3,500rpm and from there it feels plenty fast. The Passat falls alseep at 5,000rpm and just seems to make noise until redline instead of delivering more power.

Comparing it to cars in it's same class:

Sonata: Not the V6
Azera: No
Tiburon: not the manual
Camry: If it says Hybrid or V6, probably not!
Passat 2.0T: No
Jetta 2.5: Yes, unless it says GLI!
Altima: Not if it says 3.5 on the back
Maxima: No way
350z: One can dream...
Corolla/Matrix: Yes
Any compact german sports sedan, NO!
Civic/Fit: Duh, well unless its an Si!
7th gen Accord V6: No
malibu: check engine;)
Fusion: Yes
Edge: No!
Rav 4 V6: Hell no
Scion tc: Even

Any compact german sports sedan, NO!
unless it's a '97 - '99 A4 1.8T... then chances are good the wastegate rod is broken and the car will be an incredible turd. and yeah, it happens alot.

I agree with all the comments about the butt dyno. A lot of times its about the perception of the performance. Something could feel fast but be slow as gum and vice cersa.

What I've always like about most Hondas is that they're very tactile to drive. Whether or not they actually <i>are</i>, they feel like they scoot fast, are nimble around corners, and are as much fun to drive at parking lot speeds as they are to cruise in on the highway.

For that matter, the type of music you're playing can make the car feel faster. :D :yes:

And what it boils down to is the butt dyno can be very subjective and influenced by personal preferences. For example, I drove a V6 2001.5 5speed Passat for over a year. Compared to the 2003 4cyl 5speed Accord I traded it for, I thought the Passat was slow. The 2.4L blew away the V6 Passat I had - and it sounded *much* nicer doing it. The handling couldn't compare either. The Passat felt "heavier" but that weight translated to the handling. It felt reluctant to corner and the nose seemed like it was plowing. The Accod OTOH felt way more nimble and responsive. It would snap around corners that the Passat bobbed around.

Which one of the following cars CAN I outrun behind a redlight in an 08 I4 automatic (assuming the opposing cars are automatic as well):

Hyundai Tiburon/Sonata/Alzera(or whatever its called)
Honda Civic/Fit
Lexus IS250
Nissan 350Z/Altima Coupe/Maxima
Toyota Camry/Corolla/Matrix
MAYBE even some 3 series of a C-Class
as well as any other comparable car you can think of.


You should check out this article in Car and Driver. They tested the Accord I4 AT along with its competitors.

http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/comparison_test/sedans/the_buzzard_and_baloney_brigade_comparison_test/(page)/1

Here are the results:

2008 Honda Accord EX-L I4 AT
0-60: 8.1 s
1/4-mile: 16.4 s @ 86 mph

2009 Hyundai Sonata
0-60: 8.8 s
1/4-mile: 16.8 s @ 84 mph

2008 Nissan Altima
0-60: 7.8 s
1/4-mile: 16.2 s @ 87 mph

2008 Toyota Camry
0-60: 8.9 s
1/4-mile: 17 s @ 83 mph

2008 Dodge Avenger
0-60: 9.0 s
1/4-mile: 16.8 s @ 83 mph

2008 Ford Fusion
0-60: 9.5 s
1/4-mile: 17.3 s @ 80 mph

2008 Chevrolet Malibu
0-60: 8.7 s
1/4-mile: 16.7 s @ 83 mph

All 2008 ATs
Sonata V6: no way
Tiburon: I4 - easily; V6 - close
Azera: no way
Civic: Si - no way; LX/EX - close
Fit: easily
IS250: nope
350Z: not even close
Altima V6: no way
Maxima: nope
Camry V6: nope
Corolla/Matrix: yes
328i: nope
C300: close

unless it's a '97 - '99 A4 1.8T... then chances are good the wastegate rod is broken and the car will be an incredible turd. and yeah, it happens alot.

oh please, just like the TL you see on the side of the freeway stuck in 1st gear huh? That A4 will kill any old Accord, including an 8th generation I-4. Oh, and if it's got an APR talking the ECU, just go home:notworthy

oh please, just like the TL you see on the side of the freeway stuck in 1st gear huh? That A4 will kill any old Accord, including an 8th generation I-4. Oh, and if it's got an APR talking the ECU, just go home:notworthy

hopped up 1.8's are a joke. I've driven a couple that have the APR ecm, the bigger turbo, front mount intercooler, all the bs that costs way more than it's worth...... they still aren't fast. not fast at all............... have you actually driven one? they are NOT all that.
now, we did build a bi-turbo S4 to RS4 specs..... now, that car is frickin' fast................

Wow, I disagree completely 100% with what you've said. A chipped 1.8 is an absolute beast, and yes I've driven a 2001 Jetta Wolfsburg with an APR. Better have the manual or forget it. In my opinion, the only "joke" is that a Civic with an intake is somehow a sports car.

With that said, I prefer the smooth and refined nature (not to mention the reliablity) of the 2.8L V6.

Wow, I disagree completely 100% with what you've said. A chipped 1.8 is an absolute beast, and yes I've driven a 2001 Jetta Wolfsburg with an APR. Better have the manual or forget it. In my opinion, the only "joke" is that a Civic with an intake is somehow a sports car.

With that said, I prefer the smooth and refined nature (not to mention the reliablity) of the 2.8L V6.

I agree 100% about the punks with civics that think they're special.

maybe I have higher standards for what a fast car is. I have yet to drive any 1.8 that I would even think is at all impressive. the V10 in the S6 is awsome. the chain V8's are ok, pretty good, not overly special..

fast to me is...... that RS4 we built. a porsche 997 turbo with APR chip, headers, exhaust........ that car has straight up too much power. all wheel drive, wide tires, can't keep them planted at all under boost.

maybe after cars like that, everything else is.... eh.....................................

the 2.8 V6 that will launch the water pump? or puke all it's oil out every 40K miles? or that the brake booster vaccum valves will freeze up? wtf is reliable about the 2.8? I assume you mean the 30 valve engine, right?

As a R-18 past Civic owner and then current 5at I4 Accord owner. The Civic would eat the Accord alive off the line. Faster by far in 0-60. But both topped out at a 127 mph. By speed-o, navi and measured distance. 5mt Accord will get a R-18 Civic off the line. But what does it matter when they both top at the same within say 25 yards of each other. The R-18 is a neat motor. not a hot rod but in its own class. Noe if the rest of the car was in its own class.

My Mazda3 2.3 will make a I4 Accord both 5mt look real bad in a race. Be it straight or through the twistys. And Ive punshised Civic Si pilots in the twistys with my Mazda. And if Mazda had done a Speed3 in Sedan or Coupe. I would own one now and be cussing FWD. Thus my lust for BMW 135I with sport package and comfort access.

Accord can be pushed to limits many don't want to talk about. Including the V6 owners. One they go no faster top end than the I4's. Other than the 17's. They don't handel any better. and in some case's worse. Folks bitch about the OEM Micky's on our cars. Problem is,,, They don't know how to drive. I can corner our blue hair Accord hard enough to carry the inside rear wheel off the ground. Sure its a twisted sister. But once it's set and loaded. Foot to the floor. It can drag it's butt around a corner like a dog in the yard dragging its ass with worms.

Dont waste your time wondering or worrying about who you could take when driving down the road. Think about being a good driver!

While many bitch about Accord brakes and warped rotors. Know that Honda does have one of the very best ABS systems ever built. While Accord if not Honda as a company has some bad over all braking. There ABS is very driver geared. If you keep your head about you and don't go into the normal American Im a idiot driver mode. You can control and use the ABS to guide the car thru or into your doom. Im still amazed at the brake control I have in our Accord. Bring the E-Brake into the mix it becomes a surprising car.

Our I4 5at Accord is the best Oklahoma 120 mph section line cursing car Ive ever owned.

Period. :)

I agree 100% about the punks with civics that think they're special.

maybe I have higher standards for what a fast car is. I have yet to drive any 1.8 that I would even think is at all impressive. the V10 in the S6 is awsome. the chain V8's are ok, pretty good, not overly special..

fast to me is...... that RS4 we built. a porsche 997 turbo with APR chip, headers, exhaust........ that car has straight up too much power. all wheel drive, wide tires, can't keep them planted at all under boost.

maybe after cars like that, everything else is.... eh.....................................

the 2.8 V6 that will launch the water pump? or puke all it's oil out every 40K miles? or that the brake booster vaccum valves will freeze up? wtf is reliable about the 2.8? I assume you mean the 30 valve engine, right?

There's a difference between having to change your timing belt every 75k and the idler tensioner failing. Or having to replace a cam tensioner gasket compared to having ALL of your oil fall out. Lets not take common problems and generalize to over the top extremes (and besides, any moron who doesn't change their timing belt after 80k is just asking to have a rebuilt head). And yes, the 30v. Those engines will easily go to 200K, as evidence by many users with high mileage on a certain other web forum I frequent as well :thmsup:

save money and dust most cars out there, mazda speed 3 ... my good friend just got one for a smoking deal and lowwww APR considering he was Tier 2

I'm not fond of hatch backs, but damn... this car just has nothing but more to give through all the gears and is basically set up for the weekend track person from the get go. It inspires nothing but confidence if you're cool with MT's.

There's a difference between having to change your timing belt every 75k and the idler tensioner failing. Or having to replace a cam tensioner gasket compared to having ALL of your oil fall out. Lets not take common problems and generalize to over the top extremes (and besides, any moron who doesn't change their timing belt after 80k is just asking to have a rebuilt head). And yes, the 30v. Those engines will easily go to 200K, as evidence by many users with high mileage on a certain other web forum I frequent as well :thmsup:

i think i'll believe reality rather than a forum full of folks when i don't know if they are all real or not. (and in real life i also know my father. a man who will swear up and down his cars, such as a 95 dodge grand caravan are awesome, troublefree, and still road worthy. he'll leave out the details of the thousands of dollars in repeat repairs to the engine and transmission that started almost the day he bought the car in 1996.... so to any forum user, his high mileage minivan would come out sounding rosey because he would never portray the negative aspects.... )

so do i believe everything every person writes on a forum? nope. but the repair orders and cars my husband works on on a daily basis and has worked on for years now for an audi dealership tell a different story than the forum you're hanging out on. and sorry, but i really believe real life better than forum land. (and those repeat problems he's dealt with are the exact reasons we don't own any audi's or vw's and won't even consider them.)

There is a couple of specific cars that haven't been discussed that I'm still a bit shaky on. Today I got tailed by some jackass that decided it was funny to chase someone in a hurry down the road. He was driving a Mazda 6. On the way back, I also saw a VW Rabbit which has a similar size motor to the Accord and I was once again wondering which is faster. Now just out of curiosity I'll add on the GTI to the list.

Assuming all the cars listed are stock and AT, which one would the Accord I4 be able to match up against? To make life easier I'll list the cars again:

Accord I4 vs:
VW Rabbit 08
VW GTI 08 (fat chance in my books, but I'm not sure)
Mazda 6 08
Mazda 3 (just for the heck of it)

Thanks guys!

I am not an expert, but here is what I think:
can a 4 cy '08 Accord ~190 hp beat?
(I'll assume the OP meant new other cars)

Hyundai Tiburon 4 cy YES... V6...MAYBE / Sonata 4 cy YES.... V6 NO / Azera NO
Honda Civic DX/LX/EX YES ... Si NO / Fit YES
Lexus IS250 MAYBE
Nissan 350Z NO /Altima Coupe 4cy MAYBE... V6 NO /Maxima NO
Toyota Camry 4 cy YES... V6 NO /Corolla YES /Matrix YES
VW Rabbit 08 YES... though it has a lot of torque, so it'll be closer then you think
VW GTI 08 (fat chance in my books, but I'm not sure) NO
Mazda 6 08 4 cy YES... V6 NO
Mazda 3 (just for the heck of it) YES

I fear no I4 Accord in my Mazda3.

I fear no I4 Accord in my Mazda3.

how so?

Mazda 3's driving dynamics are much better than an Accord.

As well...a Speed3 will smoke an Accord.

Mazda 3's driving dynamics are much better than an Accord.

As well...a Speed3 will smoke an Accord.

I had a feeling that the Speed3 was faster, but I can't imagine the actual 3 being that powerful. Don't they have SOHC 4 cylinders under the hood??

how so?

Weight to power ratio is better. The car has brakes that Honda has no clue on. The car handles as well as a Si. <<< That little fact pisses off a lot of Honda fanboys to no end. At 156hp and torque, its has the same class engine as a I4 Accord less the weight. Very close hp and tq wise to early 7th gen Accord's and on par with the vulgar huge 8th gen Accords when you look at the weight.

Don't go a pick a fight with a well driven Mazda3. Don't even mess with a 2.0L i trim one unless you want to be embarrassed. They are speed limited at 117 mph so I know a Civic or a 7th gen I4 Accord can get them on top end. But there will be that corner. At which point the Honda driver will be in the brakes long before the Jesus brake marker comes up while the Mazda driver will brake very deep into the curve and have a much better setup transition.

A TSX and Mazda3 is a battle Royal. That is a true drivers race! The TSX does not give up much in power to weight ratio! It corners better than Accord. But still has Honda brakes. Really a shame. Plus it cost a ton more than a Mazda3. So when the nut cutting starts most TSX drivers back out more times than not. They don't want to beat up there over priced UK Accord.

The Speed3 will run with the likes of EVO, STi, BMW 1 series. Cost far less. But its a FWD turbo monster. Thus almost stupid in theory. While fun to drive. Its almost pointless from a true drivers prospective. Speed3 if it had been offered in Sedan or Coupe I would have thought long and hard on buying one. And yes Ive driven them. A buddy of mine owns a Speed3 Touring model. Its a beast. He loves ripping up V6 Accords and V8 Mustangs. And they drink gas.

With the new Mazda6 coming out soon. It will be nice to see how it stacks up against Accord. Its got bigger and more power. Typical pig azz American design theory. And its got some butt ugly lines carved on it body. But if they do a Speed6 with AWD bias more to the rear wheels. It will be a car to have.

So be careful if you pick a fight with a Mazda. More Mazda's are raced on the weekends than any other car make sold in America. While Zoom Zoom may be a marketing hit! They do back it up. Ive been amazed with my 3. So much so. That the next step is BMW. And if Mazda made a RWD turbo or super charged cope or sedan. There would be no need to go to a BMW dealer.

As well...a Speed3 will smoke an Accord.I would hope so... ~220 turbo hp to 190 hp, and lighter vehicle too.

You could beat the following that has not been said......

PT Cruiser
Ford Escort
Ford Ranger(Maybe) I beat a V6 with my V6 Solara and it had 200hp.
ALL 4cyl KIA
ALL 4cyl Hyndai
The ones you would have trouble would be a 4cyl Camry

Pretty Sure V6 Accord Coupes could beat Subaru STI easily.

Mazda 3 is not that great.

A Chrysler Crossfire would beat a Mazda Speed 3

So would a Corvette, what's your point?

What ur problem dude??? Do you think your big cuz you can talk crap on a forum or what?

Just because your over the hill doesn't mean you can talk crap to 18 year olds.

I asked a simple question boy. I thought maybe you had some specific statistics or something of value to share but no. I will report both of your posts due to your rudeness and total lack of respect to me and other members.

How was it to other members? Your a just being a complete jerk. The reason I said that to you is because you make rude comments all the time.

RTexasF I have now put you on my ignore list so don't worry about it.

"Just because your over the hill doesn't mean you can talk crap to 18 year olds."

"Your a just being a complete jerk"

Are sounding like personal attacks! This is a warning! The next time I see it, I'll issue an infraction.

Pretty Sure V6 Accord Coupes could beat Subaru STI easily.

Not really...

(from Car and Driver)

2008 Subaru Impreza WRX STi (6-spd MT)
0-60 mph: 5.0 seconds
1/4-mile: 13.5 sec @ 103 mph

2008 Honda Accord Coupe V6 (6-spd MT)
0-60 mph: 5.6 seconds
1/4-mile: 14.2 sec @ 102 mph

This is only with straight line racing too... when it's time to turn, the STi will leave it even farther behind.

Not really...

(from Car and Driver)

2008 Subaru Impreza WRX STi (6-spd MT)
0-60 mph: 5.0 seconds
1/4-mile: 13.5 sec @ 103 mph

2008 Honda Accord Coupe V6 (6-spd MT)
0-60 mph: 5.6 seconds
1/4-mile: 14.2 sec @ 102 mph

This is only with straight line racing too... when it's time to turn, the STi will leave it even farther behind.

I test drove the STi, and although I didn't test drive the V6 Accord, I KNOW that the STi is much much faster, regardless of the AWD system in place. The delay beteen flooring it and the car picking up is close to none. The only reason I didn't buy the STi is premium fuel and a sub-par interior (4 Speakers for gods sake! and a dash uglier than my old civics). By the way, I tried the AT version for those who are curious.

Sorry I apologize for personal attacks.

A Chrysler Crossfire would beat a Mazda Speed 3

I'm not sure where you're going with this statement. The OP asked about cars being faster than the Accord. The Speed3 is such a vehicle, which was why it was brought up. Your posts seem to be an attempt to show why the Speed3 "is not that great", which isn't really the point of this thread.

Case-in-point... after posting that the Speed3 "is not that great", you go on to post that the Crossfire (which is a more expensive car) is faster. Yes, a Crossfire is faster than a Speed3, and there are many cars faster than a Speed3... but most of them are more expensive too.

All of these cars are faster than an Accord too.

You are right. You produced the facts. The supercharger must make a heck of a difference because the 08 Accord V6 makes 280ish hp.

He also said that the speed 3 could beat v8 mustangs. A crossfire is a V6 which is less of a engine. Actually a crossfire is abotu as expensive as a brand new Speed 3.

You are right. You produced the facts. The supercharger must make a heck of a difference because the 08 Accord V6 makes 280ish hp.

The STi has 305 HP/290 ft-lbs... compared to the Accord's 268 HP/248 ft-lbs.

Besides being more powerful, the STi also has a slight weight advantage (3395 vs. 3446 lbs) and AWD (no wheel slip at launch).

He also said that the speed 3 could beat v8 mustangs. A crossfire is a V6 which is less of a engine. Actually a crossfire is abotu as expensive as a brand new Speed 3.

Actually his exact quote was that his friend "loves ripping up V6 Accords and V8 Mustangs". In any case, according to C&D, a Speed3 is less than a second slower than a Mustang GT (5-spd MT) from 0-60 mph (5.1 sec vs. 5.8 sec). If his friend is racing ATs, he will in fact be able to beat them. Heck, with that small of a difference (less than 1 second), it will come down to who can shift better.

I still don't understand why you brought up a Crossfire. Yes, it is a V6, but engine size doesn't always translate into performance. Do you realize that a Lotus Exige has a 1.8L I4 and will run circles around a V8 Mustang?

As far as cost... the MSRP of a Crossfire is almost $35k. The MSRP of a Speed3 Sport is just over $22k. Doesn't seem anywhere close in price. :dunno:

The STi is too expensive, in my opinion. I'd MUCH rather take a 335i for the same type of money, and have power whenever I wanted it.

Vw GTI isn't really all that fast unless its chipped, which a lot do invest in, so watch it. Same goes for the 2.0t in the Jetta GLI.

The STi is too expensive, in my opinion. I'd MUCH rather take a 335i for the same type of money, and have power whenever I wanted it.


It all depends on what you want out of a car. With an STi, the money you're paying is basically for the performance... very pedestrian when compared with a 335i (a luxury sport sedan which is also more expensive).

There's no shortage of power with either car.

335i is just as fast as an STI, though. And priced comparably without going nuts with the options list compared to a fully loaded STi.

335i is just as fast as an STI, though. And priced comparably without going nuts with the options list compared to a fully loaded STi.

Don't forget the STi is AWD. To get into a 335xi, you'll spend much more and the performance will go down a little.

Don't get me wrong, between those two cars, I too would opt for the 335i.

I figured out for a fact that an Optra 5 is no match for my mighty accord. Just thought I'd share.

wtf is Optra 5? Is that a gameshow?

wtf is Optra 5? Is that a gameshow?

This is the Optra 5 (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/archive/f/f3/20070826170733!Chevy_Optra5.jpg)

Not much, but its a start.

The driver cut me off by force, so I thought I'd teach her a lesson. She gunned it up, I gunned it, mine overtook the other one with ease, so I got flipped off and went on with my life. She was not that hot anyway.

This is the Optra 5 (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/archive/f/f3/20070826170733!Chevy_Optra5.jpg)

Not much, but its a start.

The driver cut me off by force, so I thought I'd teach her a lesson. She gunned it up, I gunned it, mine overtook the other one with ease, so I got flipped off and went on with my life. She was not that hot anyway.

Did she throw her handicapped placard out the window at you too?:lmao:

Optra is in the Saturn brand in the US.

Optra is in the Saturn brand in the US.

They are called different things these days, all with the same engine which means that the Accord can beat the following:

Suzuki Forenza, Chevrolet Optra, Buick Excelle, Holden Viva

One car, 4 different names, 4 Accord inferiors. :naughty: