Flame suit on.

Does anyone have pics of them installed? I know some people has em! Please post pics if you do.

Yes, I understand that the sedan has no projectors, glare is bad/will blind on coming traffic, blah blah blah. I just want to see how it looks. Retrofitting is out of the question at the moment.

Thank you.

I really hate driving in front or in the opposite direction of any car with those HID kits without projectors. It is really annoying and bothers other drivers.

Just to let you know that someone can take your plate number and call the police and then you can get a ticket. Trust me it has happened a lot of times here.

Thanks for the info.

Retrofitting is out of the question at the moment.

Thank you.

Then HIDs should be out of the question too.

Pics as requested

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v703/stugguts/lights-HID.jpg

Pics as requested

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v703/stugguts/lights-HID.jpg

OEM projector HID lights would glare like you wouldn't believe too in the RAIN.

OEM projector HID lights would glare like you wouldn't believe too in the RAIN.

You are correct, everything glares in the rain. However HIDs in regular reflective housing glare much more than with projectors. You act as though I did something wrong by posting rain pictures, that IS a condition people generally drive in. Although your choice of 4300k probably does glare less than what I have pictured.

OEM projector HID lights would glare like you wouldn't believe too in the RAIN.

Agreed. I've had BMW, MB, Acuras with OEM projector hid headlights annoy the crap out of me with their glare.

I agree.

So why would you drive around with headlights that make even worse glare than those?

those look great, damn i wish i didnt have projectors so i could look that cool.

You are correct, everything glares in the rain. However HIDs in regular reflective housing glare much more than with projectors. You act as though I did something wrong by posting rain pictures, that IS a condition people generally drive in.

I simply wanted to point out that no headlights are immune for glares in poor rainy weather, it's not a fair representation and sways the opinion of someone viewing the image in the context of this thread.

"Much more" glare? How much more, 5%, 10%, 50%, have you seen a side-by-side comparison? Do you have an A/B test?

Somewhere else on this forum in yet another PnP bashing thread, I stated that I took my car out to a dark unlit road at 10pm, turn the PnP headlights on and walked in front of the car for 50 feet, then 150 feet, and then 200 feet to look back at my car at the level from where other drivers would have been in a real life scenario.

More glare? Yes the PnP will almost certainly hav a bit more glare, but installed in the 7th Gen Coupe it was nothing like the sky-is-falling scenario, and I can honestly and with clear consicence state that I would be very comfortable to drive in front of a car like mine with the PnP kit and not be bothered by it AT ALL.

You will get far more glare from the hologen headlights of mini-vans, SUVs, pick-up trucks etc. with their higher headlight level.

PnP kits work better for some cars than others.

I really hate driving in front or in the opposite direction of any car with those HID kits without projectors. It is really annoying and bothers other drivers.

Just to let you know that someone can take your plate number and call the police and then you can get a ticket. Trust me it has happened a lot of times here.

That is not true, don't be ridiculous.

Aviography, I do not have an exact percentage more glare that non-HID projectors generally produce. I think it is safe to say that anecdotal experiences should be enough for all of us to say that putting HIDs in reflectors usually produces way too much glare. I would argue that it is usually more annoying than glare from halogens in SUVs.

You are right, different reflector housings handle HIDs differently. I have personally seen an 8th gen with HIDs installed in stock housings and there was a lot of glare. Color temperature and aim also have a lot to do with this. Like I said, your 4300 probably still produce too much glare for most oncoming driver's liking, but it will be much less offensive than the 10,000k the next guy puts in.

I don't want to start another huge argument about projectors and HID's, I just know that the only people here who defend HIDs in reflectors are those who have them. The best defense I have heard for using this setup is that there are a few other cars on the road that might have headlight setups that are just as annoying. I'd just rather be one less annoying vehicle on the road.

That is not true, don't be ridiculous.

I also have to agree that it sounds a little far-fetched. It isn't that easy to just hand out tickets because a civilian said someone's headlights were too bright.

I did a comparison thread a while back. Just search for my username. 08 Accord sedan headlights have alot of halos above the cutoff line meant to illuminate overhead road signs. HID would only intensity those halos ABOVE the cutoff line. Looking at the picture above, ignore the ground. The glare is disgusting.

Also, if anybody want to bother to learn how reflector housing work, you will understand that HID bulbs have a totally different focal points than halogen bulbs. Imagine a satellite dish with the receiver in the middle. The curvature of the dish is designed to focus all signal to the receiver. If you move the receiver closer or further away from the dish, it would not longer work since it is outside the focal range relative to the dish. Reflector headlights work on the same concept. The headlight housing is designed with the bulb as the focal point. NOW, if you compare an halogen and a HID bulb, you will notice that the HID bulbs are LONGER! The burning filaments of the HID are also longer than halogen bulbs. Thus, when you insert the HID bulb into the reflector housing, it is not longer in focus with the housings. THAT is why it will throw lights all over the road.

Then again, I could post pictures and explanation all day and people would still put HID in their reflectors and come up with gazillion excuses to justify it. Sure, you see more, but what about other drivers? Be considerate please...

P.S. I know people are going to scream "BUT I SEE ACURA AND LEXUS WITH HID IN REFLECTOR HOUSINGS ALL THE TIME!!!." So here's the preemptive strike. Those reflector housings were designed with the longer HID filaments in mind. And, they use D2R bulbs, not regular D2S. D2R bulbs have a shield on the bottom on the bulbs themselves to prevent glare. As a result, they are not as bright as D2S, 2800 lumens VS 3200 lumens. However, still superior than anything halogen bulbs could muster.

I own a few HID kits and I swapped one into my '08 Accord sedan (I had to acquire the same-sized re-based HID bulbs, though). The overall impression was sub-par.

I would never, ever use a plug-n-play HID kit on my '08 Accord sedan w/ reflector-headlamps. Yes, I had crisp, white-light and great dispersion/clarity. But, it was like running a spot-light in each headlight. Incredibly poor cutoff and pathetic range.

Yes, a projector-retrofit is quite cost-exhaustive and labor-intensive as of now. But, please be patient... I am working on a cost-effective solution! :cool:

What is this cost-effective solution you're planning?

magnalight strapped on the "A" pillars of the car??

i am curious as well... i did the HID conversion the 35W didn't cut it i now have the 50W kit and it is ok...

What is this cost-effective solution you're planning?A more cost-effective projector-retrofit w/ HID's.

I'm just trying to source/compare components at the moment.

SEARCH:

http://www.driveaccord.net/forums/search.php?searchid=859583

WOW i didnt know that PnP hids were such an issue.....

people got all crazy....

SEARCH:

http://www.driveaccord.net/forums/search.php?searchid=859583

I did. Found nothing. All I found were coupes w/ HIDs.

I'm looking for sedans.

Thanks though.

I really hate driving in front or in the opposite direction of any car with those HID kits without projectors. It is really annoying and bothers other drivers.

Just to let you know that someone can take your plate number and call the police and then you can get a ticket. Trust me it has happened a lot of times here.

Not sure where you're from, but as a sworn LEO in the state of Nebraska, I can tell you that we won't waste our time writing a citation for that, especially considering it was reported by a civilian writing a plate number down. On rare occassions we will follow up on reported plate numbers that are in the act of driving erractically or suspected of DUI/DUS, but that's pretty much the extent.

I did. Found nothing. All I found were coupes w/ HIDs.

I'm looking for sedans.

Thanks though.

Courtesy of Osiris_x11 as I'm copying/pasting his post from another thread

Read through these for some more insights...

"2008 Accord Sedan "TFX" retrofit, output pictures!!"
http://www.driveaccord.net/forums/showthread.php?t=18579

"My Retros are COMPLETE!"
http://www.driveaccord.net/forums/showthread.php?t=17508

"8th gen LS430 retro"
http://www.driveaccord.net/forums/showthread.php?t=17780

"08 Accord TSX Retrofit"
http://www.driveaccord.net/forums/showthread.php?t=17841

"PICS:2008 Honda Accord Sedan Retrofit"
http://www.driveaccord.net/forums/showthread.php?t=17721

Your friend w/ the '06 RSX already has OEM HID's, so he assumes your OEM head-light housing can accommodate HID's. That is not correct.

'08 Accord sedans have reflector-headlamps, meant for halogen bulbs. To use HID bulbs/ballasts/etc' correctly, you need projector-headlamps. Projectors properly disperse the emitted light in a focussed direction w/ a pronounced cut-off line.