The "Moving" of Threads

[native.texan]

Today, when I first entered the 8th Generation Forum, I was surprised to see that there were more threads labled "moved" on the front page than those remaining.

I use to appreciate that, when in the 8th Generation forum, aside from discussing aspects particular to this make/model, I could enjoy reading and discussing those otherwise "collateral" issues to 8th Generation ownership. Now, it appears, instead of simply enjoying the fraternity of my 8th Generation bretheren (trials/tribulations/successes) in one forum, due to threads being moved, I will now have to search the various other forums; General Drive, The Pit - whatever, to read these stories.

So, I ask, why, if the Original Poster - an 8th generation owner, or a poster discussing the 8th Generation - decides to post in this Forum, must a moderator come along and take the liberty to move the thread somewhere else. Furthermore, why the sudden increase in taking such an action?

Mike.

[kopimon]

^ I completely agree

Simple example, http://www.driveaccord.net/forums/showthread.php?t=20167

Why was that moved to the accessories section? It's obviously a thread related to the 8th gen Accord.

lol, watch as this thread gets moved to the "Drive Accord Forums" section....

[dcfella]

This thread was moved too. The irony...

[native.texan]

This thread was moved too. The irony...

And without the courtesy of any explanation, either, which totally reaffirms the point I was trying to make.

mike.

[dcfella]

And without the courtesy of any explanation, either, which totally reaffirms the point I was trying to make.

mike.

I hear ya. It's getting kind of annoying. As an 8th gen owner, I don't like having to jump to so many different forums to find out about various topics we are interested in. Moving half new threads does seem a bit anal.

[native.texan]

I hear ya. It's getting kind of annoying. As an 8th gen owner, I don't like having to jump to so many different forums to find out about various topics we are interested in. Moving half new threads does seem a bit anal.

And it never use to be like this, either. It was great going to the 8th generation forum, and seeing everything all in one place. Somethings change for the better but, to me, this is a change for the worse.

mike.

[Kupo]

I agree, although more organized, makes the readers life harder if you want a general overview.

[KunalPatel87]

Here’s the explanation:

Drive Accord’s forums are organized in a way that help users pull-up information on a particular topic (wheels, audio, accessories) quicker and more efficiently. It beats searching through a forum with random and unrelated topics (HIDs are not related to speakers nor are tires to door sill accessories = the 8th gen section). By moving threads to a topic specific forum, it allows “experts” in that area to shed insight. Even though you own a certain generation, fundamentally the mechanics and workings are the same. Moving threads to the proper forum also reduces duplicate posts/questions since information is easier to find via search.

As you may or may not know, The 8th Generation forum on DA is a mess. There is no organization whatsoever. We can credit that to newbies and some current members. It has been getting worst lately (yup, those arrows). The moderating team will continue to move threads to keep this community organized. We ask users to include the year of your vehicle when posting a thread. It makes pulling up information on a particular M.Y./generation via search or browsing easier.

Drive Accord is not just an 8th generation forum. It’s a forum for ALL Accords (and other Honda products -> "Other Honda Talk"). Complete segregation of generations will never take place. There are other gen specific forums for that. On this forum, you will have to search/browse. It is much easier to do when it's organized correctly.

This topic did not belong in the 8th Gen forum. It is related to the workings of DA so it belongs in the DA Forum since it deals with the operation, problems, look, feel, wants and needs of this site (that’s the description :yes:).

I hope that clears up any frustration/confusion.

[native.texan]

Here’s the explanation:

As you may or may not know, The 8th Generation forum on DA is a mess.

Drive Accord is not just an 8th generation forum. It’s a forum for ALL Accords (and other Honda products -> "Other Honda Talk"). Complete segregation of generations will never take place. There are other gen specific forums for that.


I do understand what your saying, but while it may purportedly make for a more organized site, it is, conversely, loosing some, if not a lot, of it's "user-friendly" attributes. If an 8th Generation owner has a bad day because a mover scratched his car, and decides, based on his/her reasoning, that the 8th generation forum is the best place to discuss the topic, why must it be moved to a more general forum? That owner probably has developed a raport with other 8th generation owners, and wants to share his/her news with them. Could have just as easily been placed in the General Drive forum, or in The Pit, but the OP decided that the 8th Generation forum - because it dealt specifically with an 8th Generation Accord, was the best place.

Truthfully, I am left wondering what types of threads will be permitted to remain in the 8th Generation forum because, for any thread, one could make the argument that it belongs in a different forum. To me, and as others expressed in this thread, DA Moderators are becoming very liberal when, and if, deciding to take the liberty and move a thread.

Just my opinion.

[jblaust]

I agree moving the threads around all the time sux! Hard to keep up with threads your watching. How come my User Cp doesn't show me threads I have subscribed to recently like other forums do?? It makes it hard for me to keep up with threads Im involved with.

[dcfella]

I also agree. There are much less owners of 8th gen accords since it's relatively new, and so I don't mind at all if someone post about any mods they make, or pics they put up of their 08 accord. It's alot easier than bouncing around to various forums. If anything, make a sub-thread within the 8th gen forum would be alot more user friendly than just moving every topic. Things were fine before, why change them now?

[stevencrosbie]

You can suscribe to threads.

Topics that generally refer to the 8th gen will stay. "Someone scratched my car" is not a generation specific issue. It has no matter what generation was scratched and thus will be put in a general forum. Yeah, you may have 8th gen friends, but they can just as easily hit the "new post" button and just read the treads that are in the sections they want to read (it is as easy as looking to the right and seeing what forum the post is located in).

Our new mods and old ones are working hard to keep the same standards this forum has had from when it was created. The organization may change a little to help with more information, but don't expect this place to turn into V6performance dot net. I think most of us who have been here for a while are members because we DON'T like that site or a majority of the types of people it attracted.

We will work harder to make sure only the correct threads are moved and we keep a the general 8th gen threads in the 8th gen forum.

[native.texan]

We will work harder to make sure only the correct threads are moved and we keep a the general 8th gen threads in the 8th gen forum.

If the moderators are willing to do so, I think that would alleviate a lot of the frustration many of us 8th Generation owners are experiencing. Thank you.

Michael.

[viscott]

When you move a thread to another forum you are just redirecting us to another place we normally would not check, it's like a detour. So now the 8th gen forum is full of pot holes and construction leaving us with detours all over the site only to make more of a disaster of the 8th gen forum.

Having a forum based on generation defeats its purpose if I have to move around and read all the other forums. I don't want to read anything about 7th or previous Gen cars or topics that are not related specifically to my 08 coupe. I want to know about other 18” wheels for my model, share my horror stories about my 8th gen, tinting experiences, pictures, and learn about other things people have experienced with the same car I have. I don’t want to go through all these other forums. I haven’t and won’t. And surely if the forum is full of moved redirects I will just not come back often to read what’s going on. Make things easier, not harder.

It's hard enough reading posts and people not specifying if they have a sedan or coupe. In my eyes they are two different cars and I am more interested in coupes.

I will and do only read the 8th generation forum. Just like I only read the Nikon D300 camera forums on photo sites. By now making us jump around you are making the forum less interesting for those who don’t want to wade through the hundreds of daily posts that are posted on DA.

It’s very hard to dictate to your users on how you would like them to use the forums. Too many forums and it just gets too confusing. Moving posts around and leaving those “Moved Threads” makes things worse and is not an improvement (Just move them without the trail). Ultimately it is the users of a forum that dictate how a forum is used and it’s activity. If you are trying to get the conversations in the correct forum that is understandable but what will happen is less people will participate/create in the conversations because they have to move around to too many parts of the site. The end result is less participation and visitors.

I know the site is FREE and no one really has the right to complain about anything. But a forum is only as good as the people that participate in it. Of the almost 8000 members here how many are lurkers and how many participate? You have 300 or so very active posters out of 8000 that are regular posters. 3% participate and a make up the majority of the posts here another 3%-8% make up the rest.

Not sure what you make off your Google AD’s but it is about people seeing them and clicking them if you want some revenue.

This is different because you are dealing with a specific model car that is not the same as previous generation. At least in the 8th gen forum we knew where people are going with their posts and experiences. You could quickly and easily respond and participate because you were in the right place.

Just a thought.

--Jon :)

[native.texan]

Having a forum based on generation defeats its purpose if I have to move around and read all the other forums. I want to know about other 18” wheels for my model, share my horror stories about my 8th gen, tinting experiences, pictures, and learn about other things people have experienced with the same car I have. I don’t want to go through all these other forums. I haven’t and won’t. And surely if the forum is full of moved redirects I will just not come back often to read what’s going on. Make things easier, not harder.

I will and do only read the 8th generation forum.



Which totally goes back to my initial premise. I prefer to only frequent the Generation 8th forum. For me, it was "one-stop-shopping" for all relevant discussions about my car. It was informative, interesting, and at times, humorous. When someone new joined the forum, I welcomed them. When someone posted about a scratch, I empathized with them. When someone posted a detailing tip, I thanked them. When someone noted how to burn a CD from I-Tunes so that the radio display's the song title, I learned from them. Now, with threads being moved all over the site, there's no telling how much I'll be missiing out on.

mike.

[MotorCity Honda]

As stated, the forum has been organized in such a way that those that will invest a minimal amount of time (a couple clicks) will find what they need

So far some have noted:

Tints
Scratches
I-tunes

ALL things that are applicable to other gens.. if you should find a great remedy for one of the above issues (or similar issues that are applicable to more then the 8th gen) it should go in the appropriate area for the benefit of the entire communitty...

Most Accord owners appreciate organization and sound methodology, maybe this mindset is changing with the introduction of the 8th gen? Having a smorgasbord (sp?) of items in the 8th gen section does nothing for the rest of the members...

I really feel some are making a mountain out of a mole hill... I mean really, does it take that much effort to click "new posts"? and title your threads correctly so people can tell if it's applicable to their gen??

Round your 8th gen bretheren up and tell them all to add "8th gen" to the title to assist you in your quest

[xxDaJackalxx]

As stated, the forum has been organized in such a way that those that will invest a minimal amount of time (a couple clicks) will find what they need

So far some have noted:

Tints
Scratches
I-tunes

ALL things that are applicable to other gens.. if you should find a great remedy for one of the above issues (or similar issues that are applicable to more then the 8th gen) it should go in the appropriate area for the benefit of the entire communitty...

Most Accord owners appreciate organization and sound methodology, maybe this mindset is changing with the introduction of the 8th gen? Having a smorgasbord (sp?) of items in the 8th gen section does nothing for the rest of the members...

I really feel some are making a mountain out of a mole hill... I mean really, does it take that much effort to click "new posts"? and title your threads correctly so people can tell if it's applicable to their gen??

Round your 8th gen bretheren up and tell them all to add "8th gen" to the title to assist you in your quest

We, as 8th Gen'rs, are not asking for a smorgasbord (smörgåsbord) in the 8th Gen Forum. We are asking for Gen-specific sub-forums. By taking all of the 8th Gen discussions that could technically fall under "Mods", "Wheels & Tires" "Audio & Electronics", etc. and moving them to generic forums, it is the Moderators who are creating the smorgasbord. You are taking 8th Gen discussions and mixing them in with all the other Gens. That is not organization and there is a better way to do this.

8th Gen'rs appreciate organization and sound methodology as much as any other Gen (let's not age-discriminate). The fact of the matter is, the current methodology needs revision because it is not the easiest or most efficient way to organize this forum or access its information. I imagine it takes significant time and effort for Mods to patrol the sub-forums and decide whether or not to move threads to their "appropriate" section. (Admittedly, one reason you guys elected more Mods). These are judgment calls made by the individual Mods and are not consistent. Even Steve admits, sometimes you catch them and sometimes you don't. That is not conductive to organization, consistency, or a solid methodology. It makes the site more difficult to navigate and less user-friendly.

An 8th Gen Audio upgrade is not applicable to ANY previous gen. Why move it to "Audio & Electronics" then, since it will not benefit any other Gen owner and only makes finding the thread more difficult?

There are some threads that are Gen-Neutral, like Tints, Washing/Detailing, Paint Repair, the Gallery and Dealerships. Those sorts of discussions can be left in or moved to the General Forum. But things like "Mods", "DIY", "Audio & Electronics" are Gen-specific. No 7th Gen'r needs to know how to remove our center console or where the ANC mics are located. Why should they have to sift through that info to locate something 7th gen related? Why should 8th gen'rs have to do the same?

You can run the site however you want. But when was the last time someone stood up and said, "Thank you for moving my thread to the 'appropriate' forum"? When was the last time someone complained? It's the people who contribute most to this forum that have raised this issue. Not the lurkers. Not the occasional readers. It's the people posting the DIYs, the people posting 3 page write-ups about stereo upgrades, and answering noobie's questions about break-in periods, and discussing the do's and don'ts for maintenance, upgrades and modification that want these things. It's the people who make this site worth visiting. Ignore their requests if you want, but they won't hang around much longer if you do. :wavebye:

[kopimon]

+1 .. Jackal, the voice of the people :thmsup:

I would also add that I don't like picture threads being moved to the gallery section. If someone wants to show their 8th gen car, logic would dictate that they post it in the 8th gen forum. Why move it to a general forum?

[dcfella]

Yup, agree with the 2 guys above me. I can appreciate organization too, but I would suggest that the mods be not so quick to pull the trigger on moving a thread that alot of people in that forum would find interesting and probably wouldn't see otherwise if it were posted in a different forum. I almost never go to any thread outside of the 8th gen.

[native.texan]

I mean really, does it take that much effort to click "new posts"? and title your threads correctly so people can tell if it's applicable to their gen??


No, but that is only helpful if one visits frequently. If I am away from the site for two days or so, I enjoy going through the 8th Generation forum catching up, as opposed to vetting all the different forums just to see what is going on.

Mike.

[AznX TL]

As stated, the forum has been organized in such a way that those that will invest a minimal amount of time (a couple clicks) will find what they need

So far some have noted:

Tints
Scratches
I-tunes

ALL things that are applicable to other gens.. if you should find a great remedy for one of the above issues (or similar issues that are applicable to more then the 8th gen) it should go in the appropriate area for the benefit of the entire communitty...

Most Accord owners appreciate organization and sound methodology, maybe this mindset is changing with the introduction of the 8th gen? Having a smorgasbord (sp?) of items in the 8th gen section does nothing for the rest of the members...

I really feel some are making a mountain out of a mole hill... I mean really, does it take that much effort to click "new posts"? and title your threads correctly so people can tell if it's applicable to their gen??

Round your 8th gen bretheren up and tell them all to add "8th gen" to the title to assist you in your quest
those subjects i can see being moved, but im seeing 09 tsx key mod, 8th gen door sills, 8th gen audio and other 8th gen specific threads being moved.

[justeddie]

Apparently, the 8 Gen users are revolting against the powers that be... Have I been away from this forum that long?!

People! At least we have MODs that are involved in regulating everything... There are forums out there that are in desperate need of organizing. I for one think that things are very well organized BUT yeah, alittle TOO organized.

[KunalPatel87]

those subjects i can see being moved, but im seeing 09 tsx key mod, 8th gen door sills, 8th gen audio and other 8th gen specific threads being moved.

8th gen door sills => accessory related
8th gen audio => audio and electronics related
09 tsx key mod => modification

8th gen specific threads usually don't move. :dunno:

Other forums are sticker and less flexible than we are here (AcuraZine, Gen7Accord, etc).

Our new mods and old ones are working hard to keep the same standards this forum has had from when it was created. The organization may change a little to help with more information, but don't expect this place to turn into V6performance dot net. I think most of us who have been here for a while are members because we DON'T like that site or a majority of the types of people it attracted.

We will work harder to make sure only the correct threads are moved and we keep a the general 8th gen threads in the 8th gen forum.

+1 We're a big family here. It's how Wards setup his forum. It's an Accord enthusiast forum. ALL Accords. Not 8th gen specific or 7th gen specific. All. It really does not take long to browse/search if threads are titled properly. It's not like there are a million threads created in each area making it impossible to do so.

[kopimon]

8th gen door sills => accessory related
8th gen audio => audio and electronics related
09 tsx key mod => modification

8th gen specific threads usually don't move. :dunno:

I would argue that all of those belong in the 8th gen section. If I'm looking for 8th door sills or 8th gen audio installs, why should I wade through other gens threads to find them? The tsx key mod is an 8th gen modification so it should be in the 8th gen forum.

[nighthawkcoupe]

I have to agree with OP and others here. While there are certainly a few threads here and there that should be in another forum, here's the thing:

Much of what I and many other members do here is browse, we aren't looking for specific topics most of the time. I want to look through the 8th gen forum and see what people have been doing to their cars, new products that are out, problems people are having, solutions to past problems, etc.

What I don't want to do is sift through a bunch of posts about wheels and tires before I find anything relevant to my car. Then move on to sift through problems that have nothing to do with my car until I stumble accross an 8th gen problem/solution. Then on to the accessories page to sift through accessories not made for my car, etc.etc.etc.

I agree with motor city that perhaps posts about itunes and scratches may belong elsewhere. The majority of the posts moved, however, were much more 8th gen specific. Playing DVDs with the Navi in an 8th gen? Noone else should have to read that. Same for someone asking for help removing a headlight bulb, it works differently on different gens. Chrome door handle covers for the 8th gen? Why would anyone but 8th geners care?

I understand where the mods are coming from and to some extent, the rationale behind moving the posts. However, I feel that it would serve most members better to be able to see most posts relating to their cars in one place. The search function may be slightly easier to use with the segregation of posts that has been going on as of late, BUT it is at the expense of ease of browsing.

[qbanlinx]

I understand the points made by both the OP and other members as well as the Mods. A question I just though of ... wouldn't some forum sections (i.e., wheels, modifications, etc.) eventually become flooded with threads of the same topic if pertaining to all different Gens (would this cause server capacity/overload issues)?

Suggestion of compromise: adding a drop-down menu to the posting sections which would allows members to specify Gen and/or topic, as well as adding a complimenting heading in the title of each thread that clearly indicates the Gen and/or topic of the post/thread. Maybe this would alert members if this "wheels" or "rattling" discussions are specific to their Gen. Any comments?

[KunalPatel87]

^As stated before, don't expect the organization of V6P. Organization here will change some, accordingly.

[Bowzer]

I guess I'm more on the mod side here. What is so difficult in going to the new posts section? Okay, you have to browse through to see the 8th gen specific stuff. (That's what I do for 6th gen info.) But expecting the entire forum to change on behalf of one segment? Isn't that asking the forum to prefilter for just your preference/convenience at the expense of everyone else?
I learn things from each gen...and I like the fact that this forum supports an environment for doing just that. I'd love a 6th gen only section sometimes...but there's never been a day I couldn't find the specific info sought after and many times provided by someone with nothing to do with the same gen as mine. As mentioned, this is a large family. Convenience isn't always the leading cause to serve all best.
My 2 cents...As a current 6th gen owner, I'm happy to still talk to any of you 8th genners. :thmsup:
The rest of this family may have more to offer than you think.

[AznX TL]

I guess I'm more on the mod side here. What is so difficult in going to the new posts section? Okay, you have to browse through to see the 8th gen specific stuff. (That's what I do for 6th gen info.) But expecting the entire forum to change on behalf of one segment? Isn't that asking the forum to prefilter for just your preference/convenience at the expense of everyone else?
I learn things from each gen...and I like the fact that this forum supports an environment for doing just that. I'd love a 6th gen only section sometimes...but there's never been a day I couldn't find the specific info sought after and many times provided by someone with nothing to do with the same gen as mine. As mentioned, this is a large family. Convenience isn't always the leading cause to serve all best.
My 2 cents...As a current 6th gen owner, I'm happy to still talk to any of you 8th genners. :thmsup:
The rest of this family may have more to offer than you think.
well its not that we have to browse through stuff that isnt 8th gen specific, but if the thread is already in the 8th gen section why can't it just stay there? it makes everyone's life easier. and most of the time when it does get moved there isn't a generation listed on the title of the thread.
but your car is different, 6th gen has a similar setup to 5th gen. 7th & 8th gen are similar because of having a k-series engine. but thats about it.

[Bowzer]

well its not that we have to browse through stuff that isnt 8th gen specific, but if the thread is already in the 8th gen section why can't it just stay there? it makes everyone's life easier. and most of the time when it does get moved there isn't a generation listed on the title of the thread.
but your car is different, 6th gen has a similar setup to 5th gen. 7th & 8th gen are similar because of having a k-series engine. but thats about it.

I think there is much more in common with past Accords/Honda than just an engine block for the 8th gen.

When you say it makes "everyone's" life better, does that include those without an 8th gen preference? Not trying to be a smarta$$, just that this seems important to some 8th gen posters, and not "everyone" else.

[AznX TL]

maybe if this thread was in 8th gen you'd have more voices haha.
it took me alot of digging to find this thread.
and no, i dont find much in common for the 8th gen.
my previous car was 97 acura cl, it was pretty much a 5th gen and 6th gen accord coupe mashed together with bits of acura. those cars had lots in common. but not so much for the 8th gen.

[nighthawkcoupe]

Bowzer, I think we can all agree that there are undoubtedly some posts that should be moved. Its just the extent that it has been taken to lately that makes no sense. Why should a post about chrome door handles for the 8th gen be in accessories? That is 8th gen specific and I would imagine you don't care. How about the tsx switchblade key? No other gen can use it. I would be more likely to get replies by putting one of these topics in the 8th gen forum, and it would be easier to browse as well. Questions about tints? Go ahead and move them. What color HIDs to get, sure, it should be moved. It's just that some of this moving of posts makes no sense and isn't really in anyone's best interest.

[native.texan]

Apparently, the 8 Gen users are revolting against the powers that be... Have I been away from this forum that long?!

People! At least we have MODs that are involved in regulating everything... There are forums out there that are in desperate need of organizing. I for one think that things are very well organized BUT yeah, alittle TOO organized.


As the OP, I can tell you that no one here is revolting. We are simply trying to rationalize why a thread discussing an 8th Generation Accord, by an owner or enthusiast, must be moved just because a moderator takes the liberty to do so. What we are trying to underscore is, aside from a few random trolls, we liked - emphasize the word, liked, the forum the way it was; not the way we are finding it, today.

It has nothing to do with reluctance for searching "new posts" or being lazy. It has to do with the simple fact that we appreciated going to the 8th Generation forum, and finding a variety of different topics to read and learn from.

It has nothing to do with the fact that we are trying to make other's lives more difficult by having threads discussing an aspect of 8th Generation ownership in an 8th Generation forum. Conversely, if an OP decides that his or her thread is best-suited for the 8th Generation forum, is he or she then to second guess where to post the thread based on convenience to others?

Those interested in the 8th Generation Forum (owners or otherwise) should depend on the fact that if there is a question, comment, thought, musing, complaint - whatever, about this make and model, the first logical place to post the/a thread, or look for one, is in the - wait for it - 8th Generation Forum.

[nighthawkcoupe]

What we are trying to underscore is, aside from a few random trolls, we liked - emphasize the word, liked, the forum the way it was; not the way we are finding it, today.

It has nothing to do with reluctance for searching "new posts" or being lazy. It has to do with the simple fact that we appreciated going to the 8th Generation forum, and finding a variety of different topics to read and learn from.

Those interested in the 8th Generation Forum (owners or otherwise) should depend on the fact that if there is a question, comment, thought, musing, complaint - whatever, about this make and model, the first logical place to post the/a thread, or look for one, is in the - wait for it - 8th Generation Forum.

x2. If I came accross this website the way it is today when I was looking to buy an accord, I would have been less likely to get an account and even less likely than that to continue visiting it.

[xxDaJackalxx]

Isn't that asking the forum to prefilter for just your preference/convenience at the expense of everyone else? No, since everyone would benefit from such organization. You reap the same benefits of not having to sift through material irrelevant to your car that the 8th Gen'rs would.

If this was never to be a democracy to begin with, why have members "vote" on Mods? You should have just hand picked the few conformists that you thought would dictate "DA" policy best instead of presenting us with the illusion of choice. Am I the only one to notice most, if not all, of the debated moderator action is focused around the new mods?

Having hundreds of posts, owning more than one Honda, and being an established and popular member of this forum does not necessarily qualify an individual to be a Moderator. Knowing how to repair a car does not mean you know how to manage large quantities of data or efficiently structure that data in a user-friendly manner. Owning several cars does not mean you know how to organize and lead discussions. And sitting in a position of authority does not mean you know how to command it. Why do six members whose status was no different than mine a month ago suddenly know better than the rest of us? I never asked Mods to give in to our every whim or even entertain half the hair-brained ideas that surface on these threads. But in the face of educated, articulated and logical objection your only defense is tradition. History teaches us what happens to those that cling to tradition in the face of (r)evolution...

[xxDaJackalxx]

When you say it makes "everyone's" life better, does that include those without an 8th gen preference? Not trying to be a smarta$$, just that this seems important to some 8th gen posters, and not "everyone" else.

Last time I looked in the 7th Gen Forums, 19 of the last 50 posts had not been relocated.

(That's 38%...that's kind of a lot)

And since more people view the 8th Gen Forum by nearly 3 to 1 (at any given moment) to the next most popular forum, you can imagine the disruption.

[RTexasF]

Keep in mind folks that this forum existed LONG before the 8th gens came about. There are many, many others to consider other than just yourselves. Endure the minor inconveniences until this gets sorted out. You already have your own particular area which is more than many Honda forums even offer. Some will not even allow an 8th gen section!

You may not entirely agree with the way items are moved or sorted out but the point is we have MODS that care enough to attempt some type of organization. How many places have you been that were full of screaming foul mouthed children with no organization or censorship whatsoever?

I agree that some things may have been moved that perhaps shouldn't have been but give the folks time to sort this out. There was a sudden onslaught of 8th genners posting and this forum has to find its new level with the influx of new people and a different generation of both Hondas and owners. Accentuate the positive and be patient.

[xxDaJackalxx]

Keep in mind folks that this forum existed LONG before the 8th gens came about. There are many, many others to consider other than just yourselves. Endure the minor inconveniences until this gets sorted out. You already have your own particular area which is more than many Honda forums even offer. Some will not even allow an 8th gen section!

You may not entirely agree with the way items are moved or sorted out but the point is we have MODS that care enough to attempt some type of organization. How many places have you been that were full of screaming foul mouthed children with no organization or censorship whatsoever?

I agree that some things may have been moved that perhaps shouldn't have been but give the folks time to sort this out. There was a sudden onslaught of 8th genners posting and this forum has to find its new level with the influx of new people and a different generation.

I agree with you, and it's only because I care about this forum that I say anything at all. If the old paradigm is unable to handle the new volume of users, particularly the onslaught of 8th Gen'rs, then the paradigm should be changed to better accommodate the volume. Arbitrarily adding Mods and blindly enforcing policy are not the way to make things better. The "because I'm a Mod and said so," and the "That's the way it's always been done" type of responses we are getting as users are not sufficient to quell the dissatisfaction many of us are experiencing.

I have patience and will wait to see what comes of all this. I'd much rather be part of the solution than the problem, but it would seem for now I am limited only to posting...

Currently, instead of collecting and organizing information in an intuitive manner, the Mods are distributing information categorically. While I realize this method has its own logic, its highly inefficient and takes significant effort on the part of the Mods to accomplish. By taking threads from each Gen and distributing them, you are separating the information from its context. This is the current data flow, overly simplified, of DA.net:

Items in Red are Generation Specific. It's not the members who are making a mess of the Forum by mixing the Generations together indiscriminately.

FLOW 1
13962


What the 8th Gen has raised as an issue benefits everyone. Take the information and segregate it by Generation to put the data back in context. What good is an 8th Gen Audio Upgrade thread to a 7th Gen owner? Why sift through the extraneous data? One solution is to re-focus the threads by creating Sub-Forums:

FLOW 2:
13963

Ultimately, you are only adding one additional level of domains.

vBulletin's search engine is weak. Anyone who has searched knows that even with a very specific key phrase, you must still scroll through at least 50 threads to locate the desired information. By organizing the information on DA.NET as depicted above in FLOW 2, we can eliminate a lot of that wasted time and misplaced information.

[saersxlr8]

Wow, How Did I Get Here?

[native.texan]

I agree with you, and it's only because I care about this forum that I say anything at all.

I have patience and will wait to see what comes of all this. I'd much rather be part of the solution than the problem, but it would seem for now I am limited only to posting...

Same here. It would be easier to say, and do, nothing. But, because I find the forum a valuable resource, think it necessary to voice my opinion when things seem, as other's duly noticed, to be taking a turn for the worse.

mike.

[AznX TL]

we don't even really need subforums, we just need the threads to stay in 8th gen instead of being moved.

[AznX TL]

Keep in mind folks that this forum existed LONG before the 8th gens came about. There are many, many others to consider other than just yourselves. Endure the minor inconveniences until this gets sorted out. You already have your own particular area which is more than many Honda forums even offer. Some will not even allow an 8th gen section!

You may not entirely agree with the way items are moved or sorted out but the point is we have MODS that care enough to attempt some type of organization. How many places have you been that were full of screaming foul mouthed children with no organization or censorship whatsoever?

I agree that some things may have been moved that perhaps shouldn't have been but give the folks time to sort this out. There was a sudden onslaught of 8th genners posting and this forum has to find its new level with the influx of new people and a different generation of both Hondas and owners. Accentuate the positive and be patient.

i think there is some misunderstand here, its not we need extra stuff added or anything. just for the stuff in 8th gen threads to stay there.

[Earthdigger]

I seriously say we leave this forum at 7th gen and find another, that at least has an 8th gen section and then within the f@#$ing section there are smaller sections. like rims and accessories, diy, and what not. I am tired of having to DISCOVER new stuff about the 8th gen. this site makes no sense at all. The homepage should have every gen listed and then within each gen all the different categories. I am sick and tired of some guy trying to find EURO TAILs for his JAPANESE car in accessories.

MY other point is that i am from Valdosta A.K.A. Winnersville, A.K.A. TITLETOWN!:banana::banana::banana::banana::banana: :banana::banana::banana::banana:

[RTexasF]

With your attitude you would be among the first to be asked to start your own forum and leave this one promptly, as in don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out. Others here are making valid points on how to change things and why. They have suggestions and possible solutions. All you want to do is bitch about it. Would you care to remain part of the bitching group or part of the solution? Pick one. The total bitching group should cough up the money to start their own forum, the rest (ones with common sense) are welcome to remain here until things level out.

I seriously say we leave this forum at 7th gen and find another, that at least has an 8th gen section and then within the f@#$ing section there are smaller sections. like rims and accessories, diy, and what not. I am tired of having to DISCOVER new stuff about the 8th gen. this site makes no sense at all. The homepage should have every gen listed and then within each gen all the different categories. I am sick and tired of some guy trying to find EURO TAILs for his JAPANESE car in accessories.

MY other point is that i am from Valdosta A.K.A. Winnersville, A.K.A. TITLETOWN!:banana::banana::banana::banana::banana: :banana::banana::banana::banana:

[94to08]

This is still in the 8th Gen forum:

http://www.driveaccord.net/forums/showthread.php?t=20412

I had originally posted it several days earlier in "The Pit"

http://www.driveaccord.net/forums/showthread.php?t=20282

Not trying to cause trouble, but this is no way related to 8th gen.

KP

[stevencrosbie]

The mods are discussing this thread as you all type. Please understand it takes time to make these changes if we decide to make them. Remember, it may be decided to not make these changes, but the mods are talking about it on their own.

Earthdigger

While we work these changes, feel free to leave and make your own forum as you have no idea how many free hours it takes to keep this place from looking like V6performance dot net, vtec dot net, or any of the other sites filled with many members who act like they are 10 yrs old.

[421]

I seriously say we leave this forum at 7th gen and find another, that at least has an 8th gen section and then within the f@#$ing section there are smaller sections. like rims and accessories, diy, and what not. I am tired of having to DISCOVER new stuff about the 8th gen. this site makes no sense at all. The homepage should have every gen listed and then within each gen all the different categories. I am sick and tired of some guy trying to find EURO TAILs for his JAPANESE car in accessories.

MY other point is that i am from Valdosta A.K.A. Winnersville, A.K.A. TITLETOWN!:banana::banana::banana::banana::banana: :banana::banana::banana::banana:

http://www.8thaccord.org/forums/
my friend supposedly knows the guy that started that one, and he supposedly owns gen7accord too, have fun!

[AznX TL]

This is still in the 8th Gen forum:

http://www.driveaccord.net/forums/showthread.php?t=20412

I had originally posted it several days earlier in "The Pit"

http://www.driveaccord.net/forums/showthread.php?t=20282

Not trying to cause trouble, but this is no way related to 8th gen.

KP


yes, stuff like that needs to make its way out. not the stuff that i listed earlier.

[Aviography]

This is still in the 8th Gen forum:

http://www.driveaccord.net/forums/showthread.php?t=20412

I had originally posted it several days earlier in "The Pit"

http://www.driveaccord.net/forums/showthread.php?t=20282

Not trying to cause trouble, but this is no way related to 8th gen.

KP

Merged threads to the earlier one, thanks for pointing it out.

[94to08]

No problem.

KP

[kopimon]

If this was never to be a democracy to begin with, why have members "vote" on Mods?

+infinity, good point

Since the mods (should) read the content of a thread before they move it to another forum, why not make it common practice to just append [8th gen] to the title when they move it?

[KunalPatel87]

If this was never to be a democracy to begin with, why have members "vote" on Mods? You should have just hand picked the few conformists that you thought would dictate "DA" policy best instead of presenting us with the illusion of choice. Am I the only one to notice most, if not all, of the debated moderator action is focused around the new mods?

The Mod selection on DA almost mimics the US presidential election but without the politics. The people nominate/vote (DA members). The Electoral College (current Mods and Supermods) discuss the outcome of the "election" and cast a smaller vote. The chosen name(s) are then sent to Wards (the webmaster/owner) for final approval.

+infinity, good point

Since the mods (should) read the content of a thread before they move it to another forum, why not make it common practice to just append [8th gen] to the title when they move it?

Great suggestion! :yes: I have no problem doing that for the time being and I'm sure the other Mods will agree.

[namegoeshere]

Clearly, the real solution to this is to have sub-forums within each Gen as DaJackal has noted... that way, people don't have to read through each post in Accessories to see if it applies to them, for example.

If it's not taken care of now, things are only going to get worse when the 9th, 10th, etc. Gen's comes out.

It'd be more logically laid out to set it up that way and to put 7G stuff in 7G sub-forums, 8G stuff in 8G sub-forum, etc. But not everything needs to have a sub-forum under each respective Gen. For example, we don't need to have a Gallery sub-forum within each Gen. If people want to see pics of an 8G coupe or 8G sedan, just start a picture thread for 8G coupes only and a separate thread for 8G sedans only... then a Mod can sticky it or something.

Please note that we mods can't make these changes (i.e. add the sub-forums) ourselves. Only Ward can do that and it may take a while to do and then more time to sort and put everything in their proper places.... so patience is needed.

[The Pope]

Since the mods (should) read the content of a thread before they move it to another forum, why not make it common practice to just append [8th gen] to the title when they move it?

This is how I handle it.

Any thread in any section that has a vague title, I read it before I make a decision on whether the title should be modified and/or the thread should be moved. If modifying the title will help other to understand what the OP wants to find out, then that's what I do. If the context of the thread is something that applies to a particular subject/section then it will also get moved into to approperate section. If the context is geared toward a specific Gen but other Gen's have had the same types of issues , I add "(Gen #)" into the title and the thread gets moved to the approperate section, as owner of other Gen's can help the OP with what they found to be causing the problem on their Gen. Which might be the same thing that's causing the problem on the OP's Gen.

All is done to help ppl to get the answers to their questions in a timely maner. There is a wealth of knowlage on this site that IF you don't post the questions in the proper section, you may not get the information that you need to solve you issue.

I apoligize to any and all that may have been offended by my moving of a thread or my changing of a title. It was done only to (IMHO) help the OP of a thread to have their posting in a section in which it would and could tap into the vast knowlage base of this forum.

[_JuztaJ_]

The organization may change a little to help with more information, but don't expect this place to turn into V6performance dot net. I think most of us who have been here for a while are members because we DON'T like that site or a majority of the types of people it attracted.



you have no idea how many free hours it takes to keep this place from looking like V6performance dot net, vtec dot net, or any of the other sites filled with many members who act like they are 10 yrs old.

^As stated before, don't expect the organization of V6P. Organization here will change some, accordingly.


wow, see if i was a mod all of your guys posts would be removed with notice. why? READ the rules mods, did you forget rule #5 "No bashing of other message boards or forums will be tolerated. These threads or posts will be edited or removed without notice."

IMHO you guys set the example, and speak highly of doing the right thing, well um this is going against rules and regulations

Clearly, the real solution to this is to have sub-forums within each Gen as DaJackal has noted... that way, people don't have to read through each post in Accessories to see if it applies to them, for example.

If it's not taken care of now, things are only going to get worse when the 9th, 10th, etc. Gen's comes out.

It'd be more logically laid out to set it up that way and to put 7G stuff in 7G sub-forums, 8G stuff in 8G sub-forum, etc. But not everything needs to have a sub-forum under each respective Gen. For example, we don't need to have a Gallery sub-forum within each Gen. If people want to see pics of an 8G coupe or 8G sedan, just start a picture thread for 8G coupes only and a separate thread for 8G sedans only... then a Mod can sticky it or something.

Please note that we mods can't make these changes (i.e. add the sub-forums) ourselves. Only Ward can do that and it may take a while to do and then more time to sort and put everything in their proper places.... so patience is needed.

im glad to see there will be a change, this will satisfy many members, also it WILL keep the forum neater and happier since everything will be in a generation sub-forum order

[stevencrosbie]

wow, see if i was a mod all of your guys posts would be removed with notice. why? READ the rules mods, did you forget rule #5 "No bashing of other message boards or forums will be tolerated. These threads or posts will be edited or removed without notice."

IMHO you guys set the example, and speak highly of doing the right thing, well um this is going against rules and regulations



For the most part, what I said is true with many of the old members and not bashing at all. To say I do not care for a forum or its members is hardly bashing (especially when many do have foul mouths...which is my eye is a sign of a lack of education as the English language has many other words better suited to making a point than using foul language). Now if I was out calling these forums names...we may consider that bashing, but I'm not going to do that.

Like I said. Much effort is put into this forum to NOT make it look like those forums. The emphasis is on NOT as we refuse to let the members take their "free speach" too far on these boards.

[native.texan]

Moderators, in general, I think it is fair to say that, after 4 pages of discussion, there is a recognized level of concern. Taking the liberty to speak for those who contributed to this thread, and took the time to voice their concern, we appreciate your responding to this thread, acknowledging our concern, and, as noted by Steven, The Pope, etc., actively considering efforts to remedy the situation.

As noted by my 8th Generation bretheren, those of us who did voice our opinion are active posters, not trolls - or individuals who only join to ask one question, then leave - and, therefore, do have an active and valid interest in seeing the forum grow. We enjoy the variety of discussions relating to the 8th Generation, whether specific, or a member simply venting over a scratch. We are not rebelling, and the fact that, by and large, this thread remained civil shows our interest in working with the moderators to develop a system of posting that is workable for all involved with/at this site.

Thanks. Michael.

[xxDaJackalxx]

To the Moderators of Driveaccord.net;

Coincidentally, as Native.Texan posts his thanks and appreciation, I am authoring mine. Having worked in data management and network solutions, I know first hand how tedious maintaining an online forum can be. I can sympathize with the time and effort you, both individually and collective, spend to make this site worth while. Rest assured, there are members dedicated to the same cause as you and who value this forum; past, present and future.

I'd like to echo Native.Texan's appreciation for the Moderators who acknowledged our concerns in this thread. My Accord is brand new and I have nothing but time to see this forum change and grow. We're fortunate to have access the knowledge and experience provided by the members and moderators of driveaccord.net and there is no forum I'd rather be part of.

In this time of potential transition, please let us know as members how else we can be part of the solution. From now on, I will begin my threads with " 8th Gen:___ ", although it's not often I start an original thread. Whatever I can do, I will. I know there are others who feel the same.

Until then, keep up the good work and thanks.

xxDaJackalxx

[dking99]

To the Moderators of Driveaccord.net;

Coincidentally, as Native.Texan posts his thanks and appreciation, I am authoring mine. Having worked in data management and network solutions, I know first hand how tedious maintaining an online forum can be. I can sympathize with the time and effort you, both individually and collective, spend to make this site worth while. Rest assured, there are members dedicated to the same cause as you and who value this forum; past, present and future.

I'd like to echo Native.Texan's appreciation for the Moderators who acknowledged our concerns in this thread. My Accord is brand new and I have nothing but time to see this forum change and grow. We're fortunate to have access the knowledge and experience provided by the members and moderators of driveaccord.net and there is no forum I'd rather be part of.

In this time of potential transition, please let us know as members how else we can be part of the solution. From now on, I will begin my threads with " 8th Gen:___ ", although it's not often I start an original thread. Whatever I can do, I will. I know there are others who feel the same.

Until then, keep up the good work and thanks.

xxDaJackalxx


I wish I could write that well! Damn!

[xxDaJackalxx]

+1 .. Jackal, the voice of the people :thmsup:

I wish I could write that well! Damn!

Thank you both.

In an online community, you are what you type.

xxDaJackalxx

[gaviota]

I'm with the mods in this one, all the way...

You guys sound like if you're trying to convince a librarian to organize books not according to subject, but according to the date they were printed.

If you're looking for audio components, tires, wheels, etc...do you people go to stores that only sell 8th gen audio components, tires, wheels, etc.? Stores sell generic stuff, and these kind of questions have more chances of getting answered if they're located in the right place.

I have many years of experience doing my own audio installations, I've been doing them myself since I was in high school in the 80's. I feel that I can contribute with my experience to 8th gen owners, even though I don't own an 8th gen car. So I visit the Audio forum frequently. The same goes for people who are into tires, engine mods, etc.