View Full Version : Anyone using aftermarket oil filters on your V6? (8th gen)
elp_jc 10-06-2008, 05:57 PM I'm sure I4s use the same filter, but a larger engine should use a better one IMO.
I've always used OEM oil filters for warranty reasons, but a recent investigation made me doubt my ways. Supposedly most OEM filters use the garden-variety paper element, which allows particles the size of the oil film to get by. Premium filters can trap much smaller particles without clogging oil flow enough to trigger the bypass valve. Another reason I never used such filters is because I thought the bypass pressure valve was critical, but apparently all filters use the same. And finally, premium filters have a much better anti-drainback valve, but if our filters are vertical (don't know yet), it's not needed.
Finally, OEM filters are almost always the crappy kind but sold at premium prices, so why don't get a premium one for the same coin? Opinions and comments welcome. And if you use an A/M filter, please state brand and model # (if you know it).Thanks.
JC
mhadden 10-07-2008, 05:51 AM I use Mobil1 EP filters (M1-110). Great sunthetic media to catch all those little micron bastards while still offering suberb flow. I haven't used this on my coupe yet, but I have 10,000 miles on the wife's CR-V (K24) with no ill remarks. Bosch is a similar filter sans synthetic media. It also costs $4 less.
garthian84 10-07-2008, 06:02 AM I don't think using a aftermarket oil filter voids your warranty. As for what I use, it's always been FRAM in my other cars. I haven't had to change the oil in this car yet though.
EvolNtent 10-07-2008, 07:57 AM im just did first oil change this weekend and put the mobile1 filter in. That warranty stuff is just scare tactics.
So anyone know how to reset the oil life?
RTexasF 10-07-2008, 08:02 AM I don't think using a aftermarket oil filter voids your warranty. As for what I use, it's always been FRAM in my other cars. I haven't had to change the oil in this car yet though.
It does not. As far as Fram goes there are MANY filters that do a better job, have much better construction, and cost less. Honda's current line of oil filters are made for them by Fram. There are better choices. I use Honda filters but they were made by Filtech which are no longer available or at least impossible to find. If you desire a premium filter the Mobil 1 series are hard to beat as are Amsoil filters.
Here is more information than you likely knew existed on oil filters:
http://www.knizefamily.net/minimopar/oilfilters/reference.html#delco
elp_jc 10-07-2008, 08:51 AM I don't think using a aftermarket oil filter voids your warranty. As for what I use, it's always been FRAM in my other cars. I haven't had to change the oil in this car yet though.
Funny, wife has a CR-V ('07) too:thmsup:. Will need an oil change pretty soon, as well as air and A/C filter and tranny fluid change (I do 1X every 10K, rather than 3X at 30K).
Will check how much are those M1s. I get the OEM filters for $6.50. Thank you for all your comments. Good day.
JC
03LXV6 10-07-2008, 09:28 AM I use Mobil1 EP filters (M1-110). Great sunthetic media to catch all those little micron bastards while still offering suberb flow. I haven't used this on my coupe yet, but I have 10,000 miles on the wife's CR-V (K24) with no ill remarks. Bosch is a similar filter sans synthetic media. It also costs $4 less.
+1
The are $10 but I always get the sale from Advanced and Autozone. 5 Quarts of Mobil1 and the filter for $28. My last oil change was 7.5K miles ago and it still looks good so I don't have no complaints.
Honda.Bob 10-07-2008, 09:32 AM Honda oil filters are manufactured by Fram if bought in the USA. or Canada.Different story if buying from Japan.
wilcat_2000 10-07-2008, 10:05 AM I'm running HAMP filters in mine...picked them up at a popular online auction site...you can read more about them here:
http://www.honda.co.jp/afterservice/parts/oil_filter/hamp/index.html
or translated into:
http://babelfish.yahoo.com/translate_url?doit=done&tt=url&intl=1&fr=bf-res&trurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.honda.co.jp%2Fafterservice% 2Fparts%2Foil_filter%2Fhamp%2Findex.html&lp=ja_en&btnTrUrl=Translate
wbb1211 10-07-2008, 10:57 AM I use fram. They offer a few different filters. I believe I use the EX or Extra Guard which is for extended oil changes. It has the synthetic filter element and wire mesh backing along with a few other things. It does cost more but I like the rubber grip compound they put on the end of their filters. It makes getting a grip on it much more easy to get it off and on.
elp_jc 10-07-2008, 11:04 AM 5 Quarts of Mobil1 and the filter for $28
That's a pretty good deal; will check it out. Walmart (cheapest place) has the M1 5-gal jug for $24, so filter would be only $4 at Autozone. Great deal; hope they have it here. Thx.
And if Framm makes the Honda filter, I'll DEFINITELY switch to A/M. Have heard too many horror stories, so avoid them like the plague:D.
JC
03LXV6 10-07-2008, 12:02 PM I thought the jug at walmart was 4 quarts. I saw it there last week. Their M1-110 filter is 9.97 plus you still need to buy another quart of oil.
elp_jc 10-07-2008, 02:30 PM I thought the jug at walmart was 4 quarts.
Most are 5. I only saw a 4 one of 0/40, I believe. Will call Autozone for that special though. Good day.
JC
J30A5Refined 10-07-2008, 02:35 PM I'm sure I4s use the same filter, but a larger engine should use a better one IMO.
I've always used OEM oil filters for warranty reasons, but a recent investigation made me doubt my ways. Supposedly most OEM filters use the garden-variety paper element, which allows particles the size of the oil film to get by. Premium filters can trap much smaller particles without clogging oil flow enough to trigger the bypass valve. Another reason I never used such filters is because I thought the bypass pressure valve was critical, but apparently all filters use the same. And finally, premium filters have a much better anti-drainback valve, but if our filters are vertical (don't know yet), it's not needed.
Finally, OEM filters are almost always the crappy kind but sold at premium prices, so why don't get a premium one for the same coin? Opinions and comments welcome. And if you use an A/M filter, please state brand and model # (if you know it).Thanks.
JC
I'm on a M1 High Flow oil filter OCI right now (with 5w-20 syn blend) and am loving the mileage. I am thinking og going the bigger S2000 filter next OCI but not 100% on it. Has anyone tried one on a 7th ge V6 Accord? Any mild or significant gains in anything like FE or more power?
XenChi 10-07-2008, 02:38 PM I use Mobil1 EP filters (M1-110). Great sunthetic media to catch all those little micron bastards while still offering suberb flow. I haven't used this on my coupe yet, but I have 10,000 miles on the wife's CR-V (K24) with no ill remarks. Bosch is a similar filter sans synthetic media. It also costs $4 less.
+1 I use this filter myself and believe you will not be disappointed JC.:thmsup: Also, for the "deal" a Autozone to work you must buy all 5 quarts of Mobile 1 and a Mobile 1 filter for $28.89. Essentially, they are giving you the oil filter for free.
mitchigan 10-07-2008, 06:37 PM ... I use Honda filters but they were made by Filtech which are no longer available or at least impossible to find...[/url]
I find the Filtech A01's relatively easily at my local dealer eventhough they are supremely overpriced. for me, the the A01's are simply just called A02 on paper.
[My pick for an oil filter is the K&N (HP1010) I started using them on my 06 Ridgeline that was purchased in Mar 05. The Ridge had over 97K on it when I traded it of for the 08 Accord v/6 now using the same brand, I think the HP 1010 fit all Honda and Acura V/6. You can spec it out here.
http://www.knfilters.com/oilfilter.htm
VTECaddict 10-07-2008, 07:45 PM i dont know why people are "afraid" of fram. ive never heard any horror stories myself. yes, they are of cheaper construction when you tear them open, and you can definitely get something better for the price, but they arent going to ruin or engine or anything as long as you are maintaining proper OCIs and not running them well beyond their life.
my dad has used fram since before i was born on all of our cars, and none have had engine issues. i've only switched to other brands because, thanks to the internet, i've found out i can pay the same price and get a superior product, or pay much cheaper for something that is still marginally better (ie walmart supertech).
Roadman 10-07-2008, 09:05 PM I use Amsoil filters in my 3 vehicles. I have used amsoil for 10 years now. No problems at all. Anyone has any questions about Amsoil fire away! Or go to my website lubedealer.com/akinoilco
hondaracer4vtec 10-27-2008, 01:28 PM Hey does that autozone deal work here in NY? or do you have to get it online?
gaviota 10-28-2008, 12:14 AM I'm sure I4s use the same filter, but a larger engine should use a better one IMO.
Why? The I4s have more oil in the crankcase than the V6s - 5.6 quarts vrs. 5.3 quarts.
http://automobiles.honda.com/images/2009/accord-sedan/downloads/2009-accord-sedan-factsheet.pdf
And the smaller engines probably need to get revved more often than the bigger ones to maintain the same speed.
elp_jc 11-08-2008, 09:53 AM Why? The I4s have more oil in the crankcase than the V6s - 5.6 quarts vrs. 5.3 quarts.
Actually, owner's manual (last page) says 4.3 qts. for I4s vs 4.4 for V6s, which is what you use to change your oil. Your numbers are probably total capacity when new. Either way, it's basically the same.
About the revving, the V6 is not a torque monster, if you haven't driven one. Both drive pretty much the same, and have similar gear ratios; the V6 just gets up to speed quicker when needed.
But my main point is a significantly larger engine (2.4 vs 3.5) with more pistons is going to saturate the same filter quicker regardless, just like it contaminates more. The million dollar question is at what mileage:yes:. Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't like to leave such a small filter longer than 5K miles of city driving. Have never seen a test of when a filter theoretically starts bypassing the oil, and until I do, I'm a bit skeptical of such small filters myself. Take care.
JC
mhadden 11-08-2008, 10:23 AM With that said, it makes me even more skeptical of Honda's change the oil at A1, but then change oil AND FILTER at the B service...I think it would have been wise of Honda just to make it mandatory to change the filter everytime. Its like taking a shower and putting your old underwear on again...
WisAccord 11-13-2008, 03:32 PM Purolator PureOne PL14610
cyph3r86 12-04-2008, 03:50 PM Purolator PureOne PL14610
i just put that one in..do u like it?
jayknight 12-10-2008, 11:33 AM i just put that one in..do u like it?
I dont think he will be able to answer that question. Unless he cuts the filter open to inspect it then he wont know. Filters of my choice are Boshe, Puralator, M1 or k&n. The last two being the most expensive filters, I use them less. Expect when autozone has their oil change deals, bundle with the filter then is cheaper.
Accord2004 12-31-2008, 11:52 AM I don't think using a aftermarket oil filter voids your warranty. As for what I use, it's always been FRAM in my other cars. I haven't had to change the oil in this car yet though.
Never use Fram. They are also paper filters.
Cleankill 01-01-2009, 08:30 PM Honda OEM filter is made by FRAM!!!
http://www.carspace.com/carzzz/Albums/fram/Fram.jpg/photo/v./photo.jpg
turBeau 01-02-2009, 04:25 PM I use Mobil 1's # 104. Its for the S2K but screws right on. Sorry 08 owners, won't work for yours.
PanzerLeader 01-03-2009, 03:43 PM I use either Pure One or Mobil Filters. I also use synthetic oil, filter and lube changed every 6K but a new filter and top off at 3K in between major change. Bottomline new filter every 3K. I like Royal Purple but also Mobile 1.
Throwdown 01-23-2009, 09:18 AM Actually, owner's manual (last page) says 4.3 qts. for I4s vs 4.4 for V6s, which is what you use to change your oil.
Hey, I can't believe I'm asking this but I went into my book of stuff they gave me when I bought the car and there's no owners manual - there's a service history, warranties, quick reference guide, etc but no damn info on the oil.
Can someone confirm that I have to put 4.4 quarts in for an oil change with a filter swap? I know it's gotta be around there but I can't believe I don't have a manual to confirm it...
zexen 01-23-2009, 09:34 AM http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v116/InspireTLS/Picture1-1.png
elp_jc 01-23-2009, 10:11 AM Can someone confirm that I have to put 4.4 quarts in for an oil change with a filter swap?
Consider that an approximation, meaning you need to buy 5 quarts. ALWAYS GO BY DIPSTICK. My car takes all 5 qts draining it overnight. A quick drain might only need 4. Hope this clears things up. And same with the tranny, by the way. Take care.
Throwdown 01-23-2009, 03:36 PM Thanks guys... dealer definitely left that one out. I'm going to have to give them a call..
STSinNYC 01-28-2009, 08:36 PM I use the Amsoil EaO filter, UOA tests show it has very good filtration, better than the most popular retail brands. Will go 15K+ miles, eg. two changes.
Using the RLI Bio-Syn 5W-20 oil, made from high oleic vegetable oil basestock instead of petroleum, UOA reults are outstanding, equal to/better than Pennzoil Platinum.
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