My Accord is a sedan fully loaded with 1,600 miles on it. very very clean in Diamond white and fully loaded. It has the Honda Auto Starter and Mud Flaps. I just added LED interior lights.
The sticker price for the car is $32,177 Exactly (Without tax and the other BS).

If I trade in this car or try to trade it in toward the purchase of another car, how much do you think I will get?

Not good, new car sales are down bad and that is not good for a new trade in. Then again it might depend on how bad they want to sell a car. Might be better to sell it out right.

To make a long story short, you'll get hosed. Even if it is a new car, and a Honda at that, you'll loose at least 20-30% of what you paid for it.

Out of curiousity, why do you want ot trade it? Get in over your head?

I can't believe myself when I say this, but the Accord is just too big for me and there are lots of things I don't appreciate in this car.
I know I know it is my fault for not thinking about it before buying it, but I am trying to work with what I have now.
I want to get a smaller car that DRIVES quieter and better. Sick of the road noises.
I don't see myself keeping this car for over 3 years. Or may be it will be like family and I will just live with it.

Don't think a smaller car will be quieter ride....?

To make a long story short, you'll get hosed. Even if it is a new car, and a Honda at that, you'll loose at least 20-30% of what you paid for it.

Out of curiousity, why do you want ot trade it? Get in over your head?

1) The gas mileage is not what I thought it will be
2) Road noise is just too much I think.
3) The ride is bumpy
4) The car is kind of BIG....NAW IT IS BIG and I feel that it is heavy when I drive it
5) I want a luxury or more luxury vehicle. I guess the navi and leather doesn't complete the luxury feel.
6) The VCM sucks. People don't want to say this, but you can feel the car jurking and it is not saving gas like I thought it will be.

I drove today a new C-Class and I enjoyed it because it was just more fun to drive. It is small, luxury and quick. The Accord is fast, but may be because of the size you don't feel it.

I am looking at the Lexus IS or may be a 3 Series

Don't think a smaller car will be quieter ride....?

If you don't believe so, then please drive a Lexus IS or a Benz C-Class and you will see.

First of all, start with what you PAID, not the sticker. But the most important number is not even that; it's what dealers are selling your same car for right now, which is at least $1K below invoice. Not good. TTL is a straight loss as well. And if you financed the sucker, who most folks do, all you have paid is interest, so you owe the same as when purchased.

Now, to your reason to sell. You're not going to find a quieter car cheaper man; go drive them. Similar, yes. Best of the small cars is the Civic IMO. Your other problem is small cars are not getting discounted, or very little, so if you trade your car for a Civic EX-L, for instance, you'd basically be doing an even exchange.

Unless you're in a financial bind, and you're not telling us, selling now would be the dumbest move you could make. Just my opinion. Live and learn buddy. Good luck.
JC

EDIT. Just saw your new post. A more expensive car WILL BE quieter. Lexus would be the best value for your luxury dollar (quieter, more reliable, etc). Bring plenty of K&Y jelly though; it's going to hurt:lmao:.

You guys are forgetting his dome light is LED.. that should get another 2-3 grand on trade-in.

First of all, start with what you PAID, not the sticker. But the most important number is not even that; it's what dealers are selling your same car for right now, which is at least $1K below invoice. Not good. TTL is a straight loss as well. And if you financed the sucker, who most folks do, all you have paid is interest, so you owe the same as when purchased.

Now, to your reason to sell. You're not going to find a quieter car cheaper man; go drive them. Similar, yes. Best of the small cars is the Civic IMO. Your other problem is small cars are not getting discounted, or very little, so if you trade your car for a Civic EX-L, for instance, you'd basically be doing an even exchange.

Unless you're in a financial bind, and you're not telling us, selling now would be the dumbest move you could make. Just my opinion. Live and learn buddy. Good luck.
JC

When I say "SMALL" I mean a luxury small not like a Civic nor a Corolla. I am talking about a car that is smaller and more expensive like the IS or a BMW 3 Series.

I paid $33K for the car out of the door with 0% financing for 3 years. I never checked, but I am 90% sure they are still selling the same vehicle for the same price if not a little bit more expensive.

I mean if I end up keeping the car, then it won't be a disaster. I know hopefully in 3 to 3.5 years that I will be shopping for a car again and may be keeping this to be my everyday car. Not a problem or at least a huge problem.

You guys are forgetting his dome light is LED.. that should get another 2-3 grand on trade-in.

Yeah man, I think they didn't read that LOL
I just wrote that to just let people know what I played with. I left everything stock except the lights.

Hey! Walhaddi,

Honestly, you are not the only one thinking about trade in the Accord. When I originally looking for a more upscale Coupe or Sport Sedan, I also considerate the BMW 328i, 128i, Mercedes C230or C300. . Subaru WRX sport sedan, etc. It came down to the BMW 128i, Mercedes C230 4matic or the Honda Accord V6 Coupe. I picked the Honda because of the value of we you paid and what I am getting. I do regret not picking the Beamer or the Merc someday. European car has a very unique driving sensation that I yet found inside any Japanese made car, which included Lexus and Infiniti or Acura. I will not trade in the Accord now just not worth the loss. Peace.

Didn't you test drive first? I you were looking for a luxury car why did you get a Honda Accord? I think it is a good car for the money but it is not a C-class or BMW. I don't have a automatic so can't say about the VCM but my V6 coupe with 6 speed manual is not to bad. It for sure is not as loud as my 06 civic Si. If you are getting bad road noise it could be the tires. I think some ride better and more quiet than others. If you are that unhappy with the car trade it for one of the others you pointed out it's only money or do better research and don't purchase the first car you stumble across. I got 27.65 mpg on a road trip and that is with the V6 and no VCM. I didn't think that was bad what do you expect to get? Granted I think Honda's need to get some miles on them to get the mpg up.

These will knock off 15-20dbs off your road noise and it cost less than 3 bucks at Lowes.

I hate to see you lose your shirt.

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These will knock off 15-20dbs off your road noise and it cost less than 3 bucks at Lowes.


Not to mention, the ladies love them!

These will knock off 15-20dbs off your road noise and it cost less than 3 bucks at Lowes.

I hate to see you lose your shirt.

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To funny but so true!:lmao:

I also considered 335i, CLK500, etc etc. In the end, I chose Honda not because it is superior to other cars, but because of it's reliability. In couple years I will buy a car I really like as a weekend car. But for a daily commuter, I couldn't buy German cars due to their lack of reliability. When I had my CLK, I always had this feeling I could get stranded at any time. That feeling was not due to my paranoid but from actual experiences. I was stranded twice and almost stranded 2-3 times. For some unknown reason German cars' electronics are very buggy and when my electronic ignition failed, I was stranded at night and had to get towed home. Also, I spent countless hours at the mercedes service fixing various small yet annoying problems. No mo. German cars are ok as second cars but not as primary cars. I learned my lesson. Now I drive my accord without even thinking about reliability. I just gas her up and drive.

If you are serious about trading in your accord for benz or lexus, think twice. Lexus might be ok in reliability department but the maintenance cost is outrageous. My friend owns new GS and he told me the oil change cost him $200 and they don't even use synthetic. Oh, but you get starbucks coffee. LOL

Probably $20k.

I can't believe myself when I say this, but the Accord is just too big for me and there are lots of things I don't appreciate in this car.
I know I know it is my fault for not thinking about it before buying it, but I am trying to work with what I have now.
I want to get a smaller car that DRIVES quieter and better. Sick of the road noises.
I don't see myself keeping this car for over 3 years. Or may be it will be like family and I will just live with it.

Sorry you had this happen to you bro. We all have to deal with road noise, even us 7th gen V6 owners (as well as I4s). Doesn't the 3.5 liter and suspension demonstrate enough driving dynamics to keep you interested in the car? Maybe you haven't lubed the car right. The right oil, superior filtration and you might change your outlook. Buck up. :thmsup:

well my friend just tried to trade his 08 V6 accord which is fully loaded also and the dealer offered him only 20k for it. i think he has about 6 or 7k miles on it. he turned the offer down and decided to sale it on his own, no buyers yet. but yea i think if you try and sell it right now, you'll end up losing too much. :thumbsdow

well my friend just tried to trade his 08 V6 accord which is fully loaded also and the dealer offered him only 20k for it. i think he has about 6 or 7k miles on it. he turned the offer down and decided to sale it on his own, no buyers yet. but yea i think if you try and sell it right now, you'll end up losing too much. :thumbsdow

OUCH!

Rule of thumb. Never trade in your car to a dealership unless the car is very very old and a POS. When I bought my accord, I tried to trade in my 2000 CLK 320 in tip top shape and they offered me $2k. I laughed at them and turn it down. Even the salesman said it's not a good idea to trade in cars. I ended up selling my CLK for $9500, $7500 more than what the dealer offered me.

I also considered 335i, CLK500, etc etc. In the end, I chose Honda not because it is superior to other cars, but because of it's reliability. In couple years I will buy a car I really like as a weekend car. But for a daily commuter, I couldn't buy German cars due to their lack of reliability. When I had my CLK, I always had this feeling I could get stranded at any time. That feeling was not due to my paranoid but from actual experiences. I was stranded twice and almost stranded 2-3 times. For some unknown reason German cars' electronics are very buggy and when my electronic ignition failed, I was stranded at night and had to get towed home. Also, I spent countless hours at the mercedes service fixing various small yet annoying problems. No mo. German cars are ok as second cars but not as primary cars. I learned my lesson. Now I drive my accord without even thinking about reliability. I just gas her up and drive.

If you are serious about trading in your accord for benz or lexus, think twice. Lexus might be ok in reliability department but the maintenance cost is outrageous. My friend owns new GS and he told me the oil change cost him $200 and they don't even use synthetic. Oh, but you get starbucks coffee. LOL

Its funny you say this, because my sister has a 2007 E-Class fully loaded and right now the car is in the dealer getting fixed. Something happened to the engine where it was making a loud noise and not accelerating above 45 mph. That car is just nice to drive man. BIG DIFFERNECE when you drive the E class and the Accord.
Lexus is nice man and reliable. I believe Lexus is more reliable than a Honda any day and Acura too

Rule of thumb. Never trade in your car to a dealership unless the car is very very old and a POS. When I bought my accord, I tried to trade in my 2000 CLK 320 in tip top shape and they offered me $2k. I laughed at them and turn it down. Even the salesman said it's not a good idea to trade in cars. I ended up selling my CLK for $9500, $7500 more than what the dealer offered me.

If I get $29K or less then I am not trading anything. The car is not that bad. Not to the point that I am willing to lose over $2K now. I will keep it, but my next car won't be a HONDA for sure :)

Wish the military paid me enough to afford something like that! I can barley afford my Accord so I will just have to settle for it. I think I would take a Lexus over the BMW or C-class but I have never drove any of them because I can't afford them.

Wish the military paid me enough to afford something like that! I can barley afford my Accord so I will just have to settle for it. I think I would take a Lexus over the BMW or C-class but I have never drove any of them because I can't afford them.

Yeah I would take a Lexus over a BMW and Benz too. One day you will afford one....One day

I've had every Lexus V8 car, and don't miss them overall. Only thing I miss is the leather. There're better things to spend the money on, so don't ever make a stupid car your goal. If you someday want to buy a Lexus when you have the money, then do it, but you'll eventually find out it wasn't a good idea, just like I did.
The funny thing is when you have the cash (not financed) to buy what you always wanted, you don't justify it anymore:lmao:. And as you grow older, you usually become more frugal as well. I'm happy with my coupe, faults and all. Take care.
JC

Nother rule of thumb, most cars when bought new won't pay for the cost of your loan until 2-3 years out, and that if you take care of them and have average mileage. Even Honda's.

I've had every Lexus V8 car, and don't miss them overall. Only thing I miss is the leather. There're better things to spend the money on, so don't ever make a stupid car your goal. If you someday want to buy a Lexus when you have the money, then do it, but you'll eventually find out it wasn't a good idea, just like I did.
The funny thing is when you have the cash (not financed) to buy what you always wanted, you don't justify it anymore:lmao:. And as you grow older, you usually become more frugal as well. I'm happy with my coupe, faults and all. Take care.
JC

I am just wondering why you think Lexus will not be a good idea. Just to let you know that a car will never be my goal. My goals in life got nothing to do with vehicles man, but that's a good point you brought up because I know a bunch of people who think that way.
If there is a car that can come close to a goal of mine, then it is a Lamborghini Murciélago. Love the way it looks and I am sure the way it drives.
But if we will talk about a car that I really miss which was fun to drive, then it will be my old Ford Probe. That car was FUN, but only if it was faster. One of the most fun cars and nicest cars I have driven in my life.

Don't get me wrong I love my Coupe as well! I gave up my truck and boat when I had to move from Florida to Fort Worth Texas. Since I don't have a boat now to go fishing, I guess my car is sort of my hobby. Now I have to move to Buffalo Ny. I am sure this will be interesting! I will need a ski rack now. Not sure how this car will do in the snow. I also have old boat that I can get back from my dad to do some fishing up there. I just hope my wife can get another job up there. It sucks she has to leave the job she has here. Can you tell I am sitting home board out of my mind? sorry for getting off topic.

Don't get me wrong I love my Coupe as well! I gave up my truck and boat when I had to move from Florida to Fort Worth Texas. Since I don't have a boat now to go fishing, I guess my car is sort of my hobby. Now I have to move to Buffalo Ny. I am sure this will be interesting! I will need a ski rack now. Not sure how this car will do in the snow. I also have old boat that I can get back from my dad to do some fishing up there. I just hope my wife can get another job up there. It sucks she has to leave the job she has here. Can you tell I am sitting home board out of my mind? sorry for getting off topic.

Yeah man, I can tell you are bored. At least you are married though (Don't know if that's a good thing or not?)

I have the money to buy a BMW or Lexus,etc-and have owned upscale vehicles in the past.I bought a Accord because I was tired of the hudge maintenance costs,worries about dents etc,standing out(in crime ridden areas this counts) among other concerns.
Being "one of the crowd" suites me fine now. And the image that a smaller luxury car is very quiet is not true-have you heard the growl the BMW makes ? and its tight susupension makes a hard drive. Only larger luxury cars do offer more refined drives.

I have the money to buy a BMW or Lexus,etc-and have owned upscale vehicles in the past.I bought a Accord because I was tired of the hudge maintenance costs,worries about dents etc,standing out(in crime ridden areas this counts) among other concerns.
Being "one of the crowd" suites me fine now. And the image that a smaller luxury car is very quiet is not true-have you heard the growl the BMW makes ? and its tight susupension makes a hard drive. Only larger luxury cars do offer more refined drives.

I know BMW are like that YES, but not Lexus or at least the Lexus IS is not like that nor is the ES.
Everybody know BMW drive ruff, because of the suspension, but they have that tight feeling which makes the car fun to drive. ANyways, BMW was you can say out of the picture for me because even their quality is not that good I know. The Lexus IS, Mazda RX8 and cars like that I was thinking about.

Its funny you say this, because my sister has a 2007 E-Class fully loaded and right now the car is in the dealer getting fixed. Something happened to the engine where it was making a loud noise and not accelerating above 45 mph. That car is just nice to drive man. BIG DIFFERNECE when you drive the E class and the Accord.
Lexus is nice man and reliable. I believe Lexus is more reliable than a Honda any day and Acura too

You got to make some sense of what you're saying here..comparing an Accord to a Lexus (which Toyota claims to be a competitor to the BMW and Merc class vehicles)..

You get what you pay for, and with an Accord, you get value for money, the lifelong reliability of a Honda.

If there is no difference between driving a Merc (be it the E class), and an Accord, I think Mercedes are doing a piss-poor job of making cars..

:wave:

huh? did you all say something? "POP" Ok Now I can hear you....... :P

It all depends on the dealer as someone stated before, my wife traded her 08 Pilot for my accord and she only had it for about 5 months,we lost about three thousand dollars from the pilot, it had about 5000 miles on it.She said the pilot felt big and clumsy, she wanted my g35, so i left her with the g35 and traded the pilot.It won't be as bad if you traded it with a Honda dealer but other dealers will rape you.

First of all, start with what you PAID, not the sticker. But the most important number is not even that; it's what dealers are selling your same car for right now, which is at least $1K below invoice. Not good. TTL is a straight loss as well. And if you financed the sucker, who most folks do, all you have paid is interest, so you owe the same as when purchased.

Now, to your reason to sell. You're not going to find a quieter car cheaper man; go drive them. Similar, yes. Best of the small cars is the Civic IMO. Your other problem is small cars are not getting discounted, or very little, so if you trade your car for a Civic EX-L, for instance, you'd basically be doing an even exchange.

Unless you're in a financial bind, and you're not telling us, selling now would be the dumbest move you could make. Just my opinion. Live and learn buddy. Good luck.
JC

EDIT. Just saw your new post. A more expensive car WILL BE quieter. Lexus would be the best value for your luxury dollar (quieter, more reliable, etc). Bring plenty of K&Y jelly though; it's going to hurt:lmao:.

:lmao::lmao::lmao:

I have the money to buy a BMW or Lexus,etc-and have owned upscale vehicles in the past.I bought a Accord because I was tired of the hudge maintenance costs,worries about dents etc,standing out(in crime ridden areas this counts) among other concerns.
Being "one of the crowd" suites me fine now. And the image that a smaller luxury car is very quiet is not true-have you heard the growl the BMW makes ? and its tight susupension makes a hard drive. Only larger luxury cars do offer more refined drives.

I traded the si for the Accord because of the ride and comfort reasons. When you have a car like that that you have to drive every day it gets old. I thought now that BMW included the maintenance in the price of the car. I thought they did that because it was so costly to maintain.

Yeah man, I can tell you are bored. At least you are married though (Don't know if that's a good thing or not?)

The wife is not bad! Just like a car you have to take her for a test drive and shop around before you pull the trigger on getting one!

I traded the si for the Accord because of the ride and comfort reasons. When you have a car like that that you have to drive every day it gets old. I thought now that BMW included the maintenance in the price of the car. I thought they did that because it was so costly to maintain.

What year SI did you have?

If I get $29K or less then I am not trading anything. The car is not that bad. Not to the point that I am willing to lose over $2K now. I will keep it, but my next car won't be a HONDA for sure :)

You think a dealership will give you $29k for your Accord?

:lmao:

I have test drove the 128i and the 135i, let put it this way, they are neither Japanese nor Honda, period! The fun and connection of the road or what VW said:” The FAST" factor is what Japanese car lacked. I also test drove the G coupe and the 350Z as well; they are fast car but doesn't give you that solid, connection to the road or a smile on your face when you hit 100m/h. I also owned a APR Stage 3 chipped 2008 VW GTI. Trust me even on the paper, the Accord has more horse power and more torque. Accord (271/254) Stage 3 GTI (247/280). And they weight only 150 lbs. different. The GTI still put a BIGGER smile on my face every time when I put my foot down while shifting with my DSG. My buddy 135i chipped (360/375) is another league and story off course. BUT...........yes don't even get me start on service issue on the GTI, that’s why the wife have the GTI and I have the Accord now, she do not give a damn about all the little annoying rattling and electronic issues. She just wanted a four doors car. Only when they became a real safety concern then she will let me know.

If I get $29K or less then I am not trading anything. The car is not that bad. Not to the point that I am willing to lose over $2K now. I will keep it, but my next car won't be a HONDA for sure :)

So you are saying that you are looking for someone to buy the car from you for
29K+7%taxes= $31,000

Tough luck!

Loosing 2k over 32k (that you say the car costs) is less than 7%. Don't you know that the moment you drove out of the dealership you lost at least 15%?

Is-f :)

I previously owned an '07 lexus IS250 Manual transmission. I could only deal with it for 8 months before I had to get rid of it. There is more room in my coupe than in the Lexus. The 6spd manual was a derivative of the Tacoma pickups transmission. I'm only 5'7 and sitting in the drivers seat my knees were only inches from the bottom of the steering wheel. It was very cramped to say the least. Resale value was pretty good though, I paid 31K OTD and sold it to carmax for $28K with 12K miles on it. I dont miss it at all, but it was a very attractive car. Just too small for me.

I have the money to buy a BMW or Lexus,etc-and have owned upscale vehicles in the past.I bought a Accord because I was tired of the hudge maintenance costs,worries about dents etc,standing out(in crime ridden areas this counts) among other concerns.
Being "one of the crowd" suites me fine now. And the image that a smaller luxury car is very quiet is not true-have you heard the growl the BMW makes ? and its tight susupension makes a hard drive. Only larger luxury cars do offer more refined drives.

Well if I compare the ride quality of my daughter's BMW 325CI (w/sport package) compared to my 06 V6 coupe, the BMW wins hands down. Yes, the ride is a little on the firm side in the BMW but the bumps are well controlled compared to the VERY firm, almost harsh ride on the stock Accord suspension.

What year SI did you have?

My si was a ablaster silver 2006 coupe. It had the fancy rvm with compass, EVO II cat back, and the xm radio installed, and I also had a nose mask(what honda calls it). Just put new tires on it as well. Needless to say I got just under 15k for it. I had to fight to get it then they wanted like 32k for my Accord. I told them I was not going to pay one penny over MSRP and I don't give a crap about their market value because you don't get it back when you trade it in. Back in 2006 you had to give a arm and a leg to get a si. I didn't have any of the problems that I hear others had. The only issue I can think of is that my sun roof would squeak but a little silicone now and again would take care of that. I should have kept it. This Accord is a complete different ride compared to the si. I guess one good thing is that my accord don't tempt me to drive as hard as my si did. The 06 si didn't have a speed limiter on it. You could get the little care over 140 mph. I thought that was cool but you sure as hell don't want to get a ticket going that fast.

s2000

I was just offered $21,500 for my 08 EX-L/Nav and A5 with 11K miles as a trade. I was hoping for something north of $23K.

Granted with the tax advantage I'm back to $23K in value so I need to think fast because tomorrow I can place my order for a 2010 Camaro. BTW the $21,500 includes a $400/month reduction since the Camaro doesn't go into production until Feb 09 and I most likely won't get it until Mar or April. So I stand to loose another $2K meaning my actual trade in will be closer to $19K.

But I knew this going in and I want the new Camaro.

I know BMW are like that YES, but not Lexus or at least the Lexus IS is not like that nor is the ES.
Everybody know BMW drive ruff, because of the suspension, but they have that tight feeling which makes the car fun to drive. ANyways, BMW was you can say out of the picture for me because even their quality is not that good I know. The Lexus IS, Mazda RX8 and cars like that I was thinking about.

I have driven a ES330 for extended periods of time, it is no quieter than my 02 Camry 4cyl. The Lexus IS is routinely criticized for its harsh ride. Just like you should have done with your Accord, you should actually DRIVE some cars before you assume that L stands for Luxury :thumbsdow

As for the RX8, if you think you get bad mileage in the Accord I can't wait to hear what you think of your 16MPG Renesis :thumbsdow

I do hope your next car is not a Honda because I am not looking forward to hearing your complaints and assumptions on any forums I frequent

Cross-shopping a BMW 1-series/3-series, Lexus IS250, Mercedes Benz C-class, and other premium-import/entry-level luxury variants to an Accord which has a starting MSRP of ~$21k... you should be truly ashamed of yourself... :rolleyes:

Just because someone spends ~$30k+ on a new Accord doesn't mean it's a cliche'd "$30k car". It's a cookie-cutter, mass-produced, economical ~$20k car w/ $10G's worth of options/accessories/etc' on it (ie. trim-level, equipment, etc'). And being a $20k car, associated/relevant/apt traits come to light (limited sound-dampening, long-treadlife tires -> less refined & lower performance, fewer high-end amenities: memory-seats, power-lumbar, sunshades, self-adjusting HID headlights, etc').

If someone wants a true "$30k car" (ie. Acura TL, Lexus IS250, Infiniti G37 sedan, Audi A4, BMW 3-series, Mercedes Benz C-class, etc'), then they should be ready for the $5k-$7.5k in additional options/accessories that come w/ it, raising the sticker-prices to above $35k & possibly near $40k.

Saying Lexus is more reliable than a Honda/Acura is a stretch. When you get to a certain level of high build-quality, it becomes very random/sporadic, in terms of long-term ownership experience. After owning vehicles from GM (Caddie, Oldmobile, Pontiace, and Chevy'), Chrysler (Dodge Caravan), Honda/Acura (nearly a dozen), Lexus (LS400's & ES300), Audi (5000cs, A4, A6), Mercedes Benz (SL & S-class'es), and others... the Lexus were actually the most prone to the major-system failures in the long-run (engine gaskets & transmissions on the ES, A/C & stereo & instrument-panel/gauges as well as ignition/starter-motor/alternators/etc' on the LS's). Whodathunkdat? :eek:

I'd even suggest the newly redesigned '09 TSX to the original poster, as they are very refined, solid, luxurious/well-equipped, great handling, and offer a very well-mated engine/transmission combo'. But this individual is so biased against Honda now...... but my next car won't be a HONDA for sure :)
...that it's not even worth my while to go further on the pro's & con's, current-deals & specials, and comparative-data/etc'!

Only car that seems to address the original posters issues is the ES350, which when equipped/spec'd nears $40k... and it actually feels 'bigger than the Accord, which was a major gripe of the thread-starter. Go figure. . .

Osiris x11,

I do not believe anyone here are trying to bash Honda here, after all “ALMOST” everyone here spend their hard earned “Blood and Gut” money on a Honda Accord isn’t it? If my budget is around $20,000~$40,000 for a new “Not LUXURY” but “UPSCALE” car. why should I feel shame about it, Its my #$@#@# money. Why can’t I shop around and compare BMW 1 series or Mercedes C-Class, they are “ENTRY” level German “UPSCALE” vehicle. We all purchased an Accord for a reason. As a consumer, Brand loyalty is kind of non-sense in my opinion this date of age. Consumer remorse is very real and often, after all, doesn’t matter $20,000 or $40,000 is still a lot of cash in my book. Just my humble $ 0.02.

Osiris x11,

I do not believe anyone here are trying to bash Honda here, after all “ALMOST” everyone here spend their hard earned “Blood and Gut” money on a Honda Accord isn’t it? If my budget is around $20,000~$40,000 for a new “Not LUXURY” but “UPSCALE” car. Why can’t I shop around and compare BMW 1 series or Mercedes C-Class, they are “ENTRY” level German “UPSCALE” vehicle. We all purchased an Accord for a reason. As a consumer, Brand loyalty is kind of non-sense in my opinion this date of age. Consumer remorse is very real and often, after all, doesn’t matter $20,000 or $40,000 is still a lot of cash in my book. Just my humble $ 0.02.

Because an Accord averages about $25000 and a C-class averages about $40,000...I find that to be one damned good reason?

Good reason for what? Feel shame? What kind of logic are you talking about. Mercedes C230/sport package in Canada approx. $41,000. A V6 Accord /Navi came in around $40,500. $500 difference only. And I am not compare the V6 Accord to the C350 4matic either. Even the BMW 128i well equiped is only $43,000. $2,500 difference only.

You are comparing a LOADED Accord to a BASE C230? In the first place, we no longer sell a C230 in the USA. Comparing true apples to apples:

09 Accord EX-L V6 non-navi $28,555
09 C300 Luxury base (Sport has a MANUAL transmission) $35,525
Delta: $6970
Percentage change from Accord to C300: 24.4%

Finally, the C300 base package DOES NOT come with Leather - that will cost you another $1,570, bringing the percentage difference to an even 30% :dunno: If you find this amount to be somehow strangely insignificant, why not stretch and buy a 535i instead? Or better, why don't you donate some of your excess moneys to me?

Have a nice day :scratch:

I want the new Camaro.
That's the worst move you can make buddy, for several reasons. First, and foremost, you DON'T buy a car, especially a highly anticipated one, when it comes out; you're going to pay to the roof. And second, GM quality SUCKS (Vette and GTO owner here), and being on the brink of bankruptcy now, I don't even want to think of the initial problems on that car. But it's your money:D. Oh, and better get the top gun, or you'd be banned from here.:lmao:

On the reliability issue, it's debatable. A Luxury car has a lot more than can go wrong to begin with, and that's the reason many of us who can afford more expensive cars went with the Honda to begin with. I don't know if JD Powers measures absolute or relative reliability, but their studies are public. I remember Lexus being at the top several years, but Honda, Toyota and Acura are always on the top 10. But more than the brand, I'd focus on the MODEL, since it's not comforting that the brand is #1 but your model has a ton of problems (typical of 1st model years). Just keep in mind one thing is for sure: the more gadgetry a car has, the less reliable it'll be in the long run. And yes, 'long run' is another vague term. For some it's 3 years; for others 10.
I didn't want nav because the thing loads every time you turn the ignition 'on', even when you don't want to use it. The DVD player will eventually fail, just like anything that moves. At least we don't have any other crap like distrionic cruise, adaptive headlamps, HIDs (the auto-leveling mandated feature breaks often), backup camera, radar park assist, rain-sensing wipers, memory seats, electric sunscreens, DVD entertainment centers, vented seats, etc, etc, etc. But cars today are much more complex than a few years back. Most have VSC, ABS, and TPMS as standard equipment, for instance. Enough crap:naughty:. Good day folks.
JC

Too bad, I don't live in the USA and I believe this is not a "USA" exclusive forum as well(There are people live outside the great US of A, ya know?), and I always thought you guy get better deal on car compare to us poor Canadian. Anyway, I just priced a fully loaded C230 and it is $41,085 with 5% tax included. Also a fully loaded BMW 128i @ $43,552 with 5% tax included.
A Fully loaded Accord V6 Coupe with back-up sensor, camera like the C230 and the 128i at $46,055 with 5% tax included. Those are real number, go to Honda.ca/ Mercedes Canada or BMW Canada to price them yourself and how can you not wonder why people up here shop across these cars as a comparison. We paid more on Japanese brand up here for some odd reason.

jmmg, no one's denying value for money or not being allowed to be totally gratified w/ a purchase. I'm a hard-worker who values his earnings tremendously. But, I'm also realistic. If I was to cross-shop $30K vehicles, I wouldn't be anywhere near a Honda dealership. Just like seeing many individuals on this forum who have $30k+ (pre-TTL) into an 8th gen' Accord coupe, which I would've instead of considered a new 1-series or 350Z, or a pre-owned G37 coupe (dunno if they can be had for $32k-$33k new?).

Just like when I was cross-shopping my Accord sedan, I negated anything w/ a starting MSRP below $20k & above $27.5k. That left me w/ the Camry, TSX, S40, and A4 as potentials. The TL, IS, C-class, and 1-series were beyond that range, and I accepted that, for what they offer being in another realm was obviously greater than the Accord's niche'.

Long-story short... buying an economical, mass-produced, family-sedan, and then anticipating it to be what it was never intended to be (sporty, luxurious/refined, petite/diminutive/etc') is short-sighted & too much matter-of-fact after-the-fact (does that even make any sense?).

Also, don't compare a darn MB C230 sedan to an Accord EX-L V6 coupe. Gosh, use the 6-cylinder CLK for that! The C230 sedan is more on par w/ the LX/EX Accord sedan models, in an apricot to peach comparison.

BenjiBoy650, thanks for breaking it down to make most our points even more valid!

elp_jc, we're kindred spirits.

I previously owned an '07 lexus IS250 Manual transmission. I could only deal with it for 8 months before I had to get rid of it. There is more room in my coupe than in the Lexus. The 6spd manual was a derivative of the Tacoma pickups transmission. I'm only 5'7 and sitting in the drivers seat my knees were only inches from the bottom of the steering wheel. It was very cramped to say the least. Resale value was pretty good though, I paid 31K OTD and sold it to carmax for $28K with 12K miles on it. I dont miss it at all, but it was a very attractive car. Just too small for me.

I like small cars like that, but I am 5'9" and sat in it and thought it was ok. I think you had the seat raised up or something. The car is not that small I think.
See you can never beat the resale value of a Lexus and a Toyota

I have driven a ES330 for extended periods of time, it is no quieter than my 02 Camry 4cyl. The Lexus IS is routinely criticized for its harsh ride. Just like you should have done with your Accord, you should actually DRIVE some cars before you assume that L stands for Luxury :thumbsdow

As for the RX8, if you think you get bad mileage in the Accord I can't wait to hear what you think of your 16MPG Renesis :thumbsdow

I do hope your next car is not a Honda because I am not looking forward to hearing your complaints and assumptions on any forums I frequent

First of all, why you so mad? Do you like own Honda or may be your mother does?
You don't even have the 8th generation Accord, so why you talking?
Do me a favor and next time you see a forum started by me, don't even click on it and that will save both of us a lot of time.
You and I can't and are not supposed to be talking to each other. We are different, you give your cars names. I never thought about giving my car a name and if anybody else here does, then please don't write on this forum.
I am not the only person saying this will be my last HONDA. If you go back and see what made a Honda a Honda, then you will see that the new Honda's break most those rules if not all.
Honda started as a 4 Cylinder, small vehicle. Honda for a long time believed that there is no need for a V6 engine and a V4 can get the job done. Now, it is a different story.
Plus, know an engione packing lots of HP won't last that long like the old engines. So, all that talk about how Honda is reliable has to wait. 7 years from now will be the answer for how reliable Honda is.
Don't get offended if I bash Honda, they don't care about you and you don't own them. This is someone's opinion and you don't have to live by it.

First of all, why you so mad? Do you like own Honda or may be your mother does?
You don't even have the 8th generation Accord, so why you talking?
Do me a favor and next time you see a forum started by me, don't even click on it and that will save both of us a lot of time.
You and I can't and are not supposed to be talking to each other. We are different, you give your cars names. I never thought about giving my car a name and if anybody else here does, then please don't write on this forum.
I am not the only person saying this will be my last HONDA. If you go back and see what made a Honda a Honda, then you will see that the new Honda's break most those rules if not all.
Honda started as a 4 Cylinder, small vehicle. Honda for a long time believed that there is no need for a V6 engine and a V4 can get the job done. Now, it is a different story.
Plus, know an engione packing lots of HP won't last that long like the old engines. So, all that talk about how Honda is reliable has to wait. 7 years from now will be the answer for how reliable Honda is.
Don't get offended if I bash Honda, they don't care about you and you don't own them. This is someone's opinion and you don't have to live by it.

Honda went to a V6...why? You bought one didn't you? Well now you know why :lmao: They're a company, they need to make money. They make what people want to buy.

How reliable Honda is has to wait? The J-series has been in production since 1997. It HAS been proven reliable. Just in case you forgot your math, it's fall 2008 and the J30 was introduced in the 1997 Acura 3.0CL in fall of 1996 - 12 years. Yes, they're using a 12 year old engine design because it is such a complete failure. In fact, the same basic block is still being used in the 2009 Acura TL. That car will soldier on for another 5 years with no major engine changes is my guess. By then, it will be 2013. The engine block design will be at least 17 years old before it gets completely retired.

I know an engine packing lots of HP won't last long? NOT TRUE. There is a 240HP 3.5L V6 Odyssey on OdyClub with 405K miles, no major engine repairs. Again, you need to stop ASSUMING. The V6's are bulletproof. The trannies are the real issue.
http://www.odyclub.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=43178&perpage=15&pagenumber=1

They don't care about me - which is why they gave my Ody a free tranny at 88K miles. And of course, my Odyssey has an H on it, which I assume stands for Hyundai since I don't own a Honda :dunno: What in the world...

I'm Honda's #1 basher. I've been chasing rattles since the first day I owned my 99 Accord. I've had a tranny replaced in the Ody. My uncle has been chasing down a windshield whistle that many 3rd gen Ody's have. But they are still good cars and I can't complain too much. They have their quirks and they feel okay in everyday driving to me. I happily change my Ody's tranny fluid every 3-5K miles, I accept it as a part of owning that particular car. But you bash Honda for invalid reasons - because you didn't test drive the car first. You have never had any problem with your Accord and you know it, all the "flaws" you indicate are inherent in the design and should have been caught on a quick drive or in the research stage. VCM has been on Odyssey's since 2005 - nearly everybody has complained about the jerking and even vibrations/noise. The car is big...did you not LOOK at it either? Yes it's big...it's a physical property of a 194" long piece of metal. For YEARS we heard 7th gen owners complain about the "harsh ride"...apparently you followed their lead in not test driving cars prior to buying them.

BTW, if anybody would like to see a Honda with a harsh ride, try a 2nd generation CR-V. They're pretty bad IMO.

^ translation, please?!? (walhaddi's post)

(there's so much manure in that post, I could till/sow/reap a field. I dunno where to even begin correcting... so I won't!)

To Osiris x11,

Have you actually sit inside the new C-Class or driven a C230 yet? Have you test drive the 128i or the 135i? Come back and tell me what you think about them before you think they are not worthy comparison with the V6 Accord, They are all REAR wheel drive cars, FWD cars can have all the power or torque, but I simply believe a 200HP RWD car will easily drive better than a 271HP FWD car, my buddy old 2002 RSX with 210 HP felt more powerful and quicker than the V6 Accord. And the 128i has 230 HP/ 200 lbs @ 2750 at the rear wheel Vs. V6 Accord 254 lbs. @ 5000 rpm at the front wheel. In my book, Mercedes C230 full L/ BMW 128i Full L/ Accord V6 Full L are cost about very similar in Canada. For the best value for my money, I do not chose the German this time is for a very personal reason(If you interested to know, search all my posts, you will find out why) Peace.

You don't even have the 8th generation Accord, so why you talking?


He can say whatever he wants.:yes:


You and I can't and are not supposed to be talking to each other. We are different, you give your cars names. I never thought about giving my car a name and if anybody else here does, then please don't write on this forum.


Ok, but only because you said so.:lmao:


If you go back and see what made a Honda a Honda, then you will see that the new Honda's break most those rules if not all.


Rules?? Huh? Who's rules? Maybe Honda should stand in the corner because they broke the "rules."


Honda started as a 4 Cylinder, small vehicle. Honda for a long time believed that there is no need for a V6 engine and a V4 can get the job done. Now, it is a different story.

I'm not familiar with Honda V4's:dunno:
And I'm pretty sure Honda started out with race cars and motorcycles.


Plus, know an engione packing lots of HP won't last that long like the old engines. So, all that talk about how Honda is reliable has to wait. 7 years from now will be the answer for how reliable Honda is.

Don't hold your breath man.


Don't get offended if I bash Honda, they don't care about you and you don't own them. This is someone's opinion and you don't have to live by it.
I have found that they do care about me. Honda corporate has been very kind and willing to help me out in the past.
I'm glad I don't have to live by your opinion:wave:

I'm starting to wonder if this guy actually owns an 8th gen and if he does, how old is he? I haven't seen pictures.

Read his own review here
http://www.driveaccord.net/forums/showthread.php?t=18454

And then read his complaints in this thread. :dunno:

You hear some wind/road noise, but it doesn't bother me at all.
2) Road noise is just too much I think.
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Can you feel the VCM or engine switching between 6-4-3 cylinders: YES. Is it annoying: NO.
6) The VCM sucks.
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Bottom line, beautiful car from inside and out. I think it is worth each penny you pay
5) I want a luxury or more luxury vehicle. I guess the navi and leather doesn't complete the luxury feel.

When I say "SMALL" I mean a luxury small not like a Civic nor a Corolla. I am talking about a car that is smaller and more expensive like the IS or a BMW 3 Series.

I paid $33K for the car out of the door with 0% financing for 3 years. I never checked, but I am 90% sure they are still selling the same vehicle for the same price if not a little bit more expensive.

I mean if I end up keeping the car, then it won't be a disaster. I know hopefully in 3 to 3.5 years that I will be shopping for a car again and may be keeping this to be my everyday car. Not a problem or at least a huge problem.

Any person in their right mind with the cash would of course buy a BMW over a Honda. You should have went and bought the BMW in the beginning then, rather then spending $33K on a Honda that you are not happy with. IMO comparing luxury cars (BMW, Mercedes, Lexus etc) to Honda's or Toyota's holds no water.

Have you actually sit inside the new C-Class or driven a C230 yet?No, I instead test-drove the C300 & C350 instead. The are 4-doors, luxurious/sporty, and expensive. The 8th gen' Accord coupe is economical, 2-doors, not overly refined or very sporty (it's comfortable & more-so touring), and not expensive. Hence why I referenced using a CLK for comparison (mid-sized coupe/2-doors). . .

It's not my fault your dumb-@rse gov't taxes the p1ss outta you. Go complain to Ottawa, not driveaccord.net! :rolleyes:
Have you test drive the 128i or the 135i?I've test-driven both, and I'm buying the former in the near future.

Each one is head-&-shoulders above the 8th gen' Accord in refinement, handling, precise-steering, and so forth. RWD makes a different, as does a more tuned-chassis & sporty-suspension.

But paying ~$40k USD state-sidefor an 135i is not worth it, IMHO... as I already have a fun-car.

There are things that go beyond numbers (0-60, 1/4mi, hp/torque, etc'). As an enthusiastic driver, the new Accord coupe isn't with the 1-series coupes in any shape-form-or-whatever when it comes to driving prowess/manners.

I'm not sure what even the point is you were/are trying to make?!? :dunno:

If an Accord costs the same as a BMW/Merc', buy the latter obviously. But don't blame the former for being something it's never meant to be in the first-place. And if you're keen on value, the former will be a better 'buy' than the Merc' C230 because you get a larger/more-powerful engine & a more reliable car.

What more is there to say? :D

I'm starting to wonder if this guy actually owns an 8th gen and if he does, how old is he? I haven't seen pictures.

After reading his pointless drivel I am inclined to agree. Sounds like a wannabe poseur to me or obviously afflicted with more money than sense.........and I don't have an 8th gen Honda either. I can post here as I please thank you very much.

Wow! The strangest thing is even I own a MkV GTI, when I show up at VW gathering or see any other generation of GTIs, we usually compliment and admire other GTIs, especially see a good shape or refinished Mk1 or Mk2 GTI.(I would love to have a Mk 2 GTI, btw!) How come there is so much hostility between different gens Accord???

And, yes I will trade in my Accord eventually to a BMW, Audi or Mercedes as well, when the time come, like 3 years or so. (Going back to the "DARK" side):)

And, yes I will trade in my Accord eventually to a BMW, Audi or Mercedes as well, when the time come, like 3 years or so. (Going back to the "DARK" side):)
Things always come-around full circle!

I went from Honda & economy to luxury & even exotic, and now I'm back to Honda & economy. Finances haven't changed, only my age & appreciation for simpler things... :D

Honda/Toyota/Hyundai have their place, just like Audi/Mercedes/BMW have their own as does Acura/Lexus/Infiniti. Positive/negatives abound w/ each, and none can super-impose/replace the other w/o compromise.

The true connoisseur & aficionado is one who appreciates all, for their hallmarks as well as their faults. There is a ying-&-yang for every choice in life. . .

I'm starting to wonder if this guy actually owns an 8th gen and if he does, how old is he? I haven't seen pictures.

Read his own review here
http://www.driveaccord.net/forums/showthread.php?t=18454

And then read his complaints in this thread. :dunno:



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I wrote that review about 3 days after I got the car. I can't say anything about how the car looks from inside and out. It is a beautiful car, but read my review and you will see that I complained about road and wind noises, but now I really hate them.
Another thing that I just discovered about a month ago is how the car vibrate when it shifts to the third gear, btu the more I pay attention to it the more I think it is the VCM that is causing the vibration. I say the VCM is causing it because right after the vibration I see the green ECO light. This vibration making me want to get rid of the car. The vibration I feel when it shifts is what is pissing me off.
As far as owning the Accord, don't worry I got one. If you don't believe me then let me know what kind of picture you want me to take and I will just to prove to you that I do have one.
Yes, I don't have any pictures posted, because I got other things to do. I have owned and drove lots of cars, but never posted pictures online...For what? I mean if I got something custom on the car that is sharing with other people, then YES.
I hate people posting pictures of their cars when they are stock. What a waist of time when you post pictures of your car when you can step outside and see the same exact car. Post if you got something on the car others don't.
So, your tranny went out huh. You also hear noises and rattles. I work in the automotive industry and I see eevryday how they hide problems and how they really don't give a F%ck about the consumer, but I thought that was only the Big 3 not HONDA. I heard so much things about HONDA I thought they are different and that's why I got it.
Anyways, like I said I GOT ONE and I also got an E-class and a Lexus ES with 180K miles and it drives like a brand new car.
A lot of you get offended because you own an Accord and I don't understand why.

As far as owning the Accord, don't worry I got one. If you don't believe me then let me know what kind of picture you want me to take and I will just to prove to you that I do have one.

...

Anyways, like I said I GOT ONE and I also got an E-class and a Lexus ES with 180K miles and it drives like a brand new car.
A lot of you get offended because you own an Accord and I don't understand why.

I'm not offended in the least, but, I find this thread very interesting. I believe you, and, I think you may have valid concerns. Since you offered then I suggest a picture of all three cars together. That would help reduce some of the noise... ;)

I'm not offended in the least, but, I find this thread very interesting. I believe you, and, I think you may have valid concerns. Since you offered then I suggest a picture of all three cars together. That would help reduce some of the noise... ;)

Why you think I would come here and lie? Anyways, the E class is in the dealership getting something replaced in the engine, but I will instead take pictures of the rental C-Class the dealer gave as a rental (I hope that is good enough).
The Accord is in my garage and I will not take the time right now to take it out and park it next to the other cars.

I will never lie and say that I have something which I don't.

Your Accord has given you NO mechanical problems and you somehow label it as inferior.
Your E-Class is in the shop getting "something" replaced in the engine and it's a wayyyyy better car. I see...

Some people :dunno:

I'm not offended in the least, but, I find this thread very interesting. I believe you, and, I think you may have valid concerns. Since you offered then I suggest a picture of all three cars together. That would help reduce some of the noise... ;)

Why you think I would come here and lie?

I did write that I believed you, and, I hope others will also... :dunno: As for your original post, I do feel that if you are not satisfied with your new Accord then you should sell it yourself. You might have a $2-3K loss. A trade-in to a dealer would be a much greater loss - $5 -6K.

One thing to consider is that you will get all types of opinions, suggestions and sometimes bad information on the Internet. If you search, you'll find extremes - the very best and the worst. This forum is not any different in that regard. You will get both sides and every flavor in between.

The Accord is what it is, and, it will never be what it wasn't designed to be... Where this car is on your "personal scale" is what should count. Should you decide to keep the car then find the "very best" and let that comfort you. If not, the worst will be a reminder each time you get behind the wheel.

No one should try to defend or deny your feelings toward your purchase. I certainly won't. Live, learn and move on. Best regards in any decision you make. :yes:

Your Accord has given you NO mechanical problems and you somehow label it as inferior.
Your E-Class is in the shop getting "something" replaced in the engine and it's a wayyyyy better car. I see...

Some people :dunno:

Lol maybe cause the accord is still so new?

Your Accord has given you NO mechanical problems and you somehow label it as inferior.
Your E-Class is in the shop getting "something" replaced in the engine and it's a wayyyyy better car. I see...

Some people :dunno:

I don't know why you are trying to make me look like a lier or giving me this image that I hate the Accord so much. The Accord looks very nice, but the way it drives SUCKS. Yeah I said it. I have to drive a Camry to really know the difference.
I thought the wind and road noise would go away or I will get used to it, but that never happened. Instead I started to get this vibration when the car shifts to the third gear. I think it is the VCM, but I am not sure. I know I have 5 years/60K miles warranty on the powertrain, but if I would have known this then I would have never gotten this car. It is really annoying me (The vibration when it shifts to the third gear) and this is the reason why I am not happy at all. I just don't know if it is something that will vecome a really big problem down the road or what? Wind and Road noise is not a problem that requires or cuased by a faulty part. But buying a product where you think a component is not working properly is annoying to me. I don't know if this is normal or not.
The E-class has 25K miles on it and I happened to hear some wierd noise from the engine, so I called them and they took it in. I don't know if they will change something or not. Don't try to make the E-Class look cheap. Believe me drive one and you will know what you are missing. You can be doing 100 mph and you think you are doing 10 mph and the car handles like no other. Has less hp than the Acccord, but it is faster than the Accord and I drive both and know what I am talking about.

I thought the wind and road noise would go away... Who are you, David Blaine or something?!? :D

:make noise go way 'woooosh':

The E-class has 25K miles on it and I happened to hear some wierd noise from the engine, so I called them and they took it in. I don't know if they will change something or not. Don't try to make the E-Class look cheap. Believe me drive one and you will know what you are missing. You can be doing 100 mph and you think you are doing 10 mph and the car handles like no other. Has less hp than the Acccord, but it is faster than the Accord and I drive both and know what I am talking about.

25K is still pretty new to be having problems don't you think? :yes:

I have driven them. We had an 86 300E and yes it is very stable. I've driven a 540i for extended periods of time and hit 100MPH when I thought I was doing 70. It's not like I don't know what you're talking about. But you're comparing a $30K Accord to a $50K E-Class...is that fair? Why don't I just say that a Rolls Royce or even an LS460L will absolutely devour your E-class...is that fair? :thumbsdow But I have driven an E46 3-series several times. They are nowhere near the E-class/5-series in terms of highway driving. Not that far off from Accords actually, I would say.

Yes, the Accord SUCKS to drive...and you bought it. Job well done.

I did write that I believed you, and, I hope others will also... :dunno: As for your original post, I do feel that if you are not satisfied with your new Accord then you should sell it yourself. You might have a $2-3K loss. A trade-in to a dealer would be a much greater loss - $5 -6K.

One thing to consider is that you will get all types of opinions, suggestions and sometimes bad information on the Internet. If you search, you'll find extremes - the very best and the worst. This forum is not any different in that regard. You will get both sides and every flavor in between.

The Accord is what it is, and, it will never be what it wasn't designed to be... Where this car is on your "personal scale" is what should count. Should you decide to keep the car then find the "very best" and let that comfort you. If not, the worst will be a reminder each time you get behind the wheel.

No one should try to defend or deny your feelings toward your purchase. I certainly won't. Live, learn and move on. Best regards in any decision you make. :yes:

Thank you and what you wrote is 100% true. When I started this forum, I just wanted to know how much $$$ people here think I will get if I trade in the car, that's all I asked. I know some people went back to dealers and asked the same question I am asking right now, because I am not the only person that is some what dissapointed with the new Accord. There might be .1% of people dissapointed like myself and just wanted to know what was the numbers the dealers gave them.
Then someone asked me "WHY YOU WANT TO TRADE IT IN?" I mean if someone is thinking about divorcing his wife, you think he will say + or - things about her?
I said my opinion and people just got offended. I know some people here got an Accord and can barely afford it. So for me to bash it, they get mad. To them it is their Ferrari.
But what you wrote is true though. I will see what I will do with the car. If I can trade it in and avoid a big hit, then I will do that and if I can't, then I have to ignore the bad things and be forced to love it.

Thank you for the advice man.

25K is still pretty new to be having problems don't you think? :yes:

I have driven them. We had an 86 300E and yes it is very stable. I've driven a 540i for extended periods of time and hit 100MPH when I thought I was doing 70. It's not like I don't know what you're talking about. But you're comparing a $30K Accord to a $50K E-Class...is that fair? Why don't I just say that a Rolls Royce or even an LS460L will absolutely devour your E-class...is that fair? :thumbsdow

Yes, the Accord SUCKS to drive...and you bought it. Someone who buys something that sucks is a sucker.

I am not comparing both cars man, because there is no way the Accord can even be compared to the E-Class. Remember, I was talking about replacing the Accord with a SMALLER MORE LUXURY VEHICLE LIKE THE IS OR C-CLASS. When I took the pictures, I said "THE E-CLASS IS IN THE DEALER TO GET FIXED" and that's when you jumped on it and started asking if the Benz is a good car since it is in the dealer. I spoke about the E-Class because you tried to make it seem cheap.
I bet you care about cars more than myself. To me a car will be driven for 2 may be 3 years and then I am getting a new one. I just wanted to know from people who went back to the dealers and asked the same damn question I am asking "HOW MUCH IS THE TRADE IN VALUE?" I got a couple of answers which tells me YES PEOPLE DID GO BACK TO THE DEALER TRYING TO TRADE IN THE CAR. I was then asked WHY I WANT TO TRADE IT IN. Off course I will say - things about the car. It is not like I started this thread to bash it.
Plus, put yourself in my shoes for a second man. You buy a product that makes a weird noise and the dealer says "Ahhhh, I think it is normal. If the problem becomes bigger, then we can look at it." All that road noise and wind noise is annoying, but I can live unhappy with it. But the noise from the tranny or VCM or where ever that noise is coming from is not to ME.
And just to let you know the E-Class feels like you are doing 10 mph when you are doing 100 mph if you ignore the cars you are passing and not 70 mph. 86 is nothing like the 07, go drive one and see what you are missing. You can't even feel the tranny shifting....This is just for you and remember I am not comparing the E-Class to the Accord. My E-Class is $60K and the Accord is $32K

Who are you, David Blaine or something?!? :D

:make noise go way 'woooosh':

I meant to say that I will get used to them to the point where I don't hear them anymore.
I am sorry for confusing you.

Hey BenjiBoy650,
I know the perfect solution to this problem.
I have an 8th generation Accord and you don't. I talk - about the Accord and you talk +.
I never owned a Honda and you do. I am not ok with its minor problems are you are (Tranny, wind from the windshield, rattles and road noises).
I don't think Honda cares and you know they do (Fixed your tranny for FREE after the warranty was done...don't believe it, but ok).

So, why don't you just buy it from me and we will be all set. I think you want and need one. I know you love HONDA, because I have NEVER EVER met someone that changes his TRANNY OIL every 3K-5K miles

Hey BenjiBoy650,
I know the perfect solution to this problem.
I have an 8th generation Accord and you don't. I talk - about the Accord and you talk +.
I never owned a Honda and you do. I am not ok with its minor problems are you are (Tranny, wind from the windshield, rattles and road noises).
I don't think Honda cares and you know they do (Fixed your tranny for FREE after the warranty was done...don't believe it, but ok).

So, why don't you just buy it from me and we will be all set. I think you want and need one. I know you love HONDA, because I have NEVER EVER met someone that changes his TRANNY OIL every 3K-5K miles

I would love to scan my invoices from the tranny for you. I would also love to buy your Accord, but given that it's a V6 and I already have two of those...I can only offer you about $22,000. That's fair, right? I wouldn't have paid more than 28K new for that car, and people estimate 20% loss once you drive off the showroom, so 28000*.80 = $22,400. How bout it?

I would love to scan my invoices from the tranny for you. I would also love to buy your Accord, but given that it's a V6 and I already have two of those...I can only offer you about $22,000. That's fair, right? I wouldn't have paid more than 28K new for that car, and people estimate 20% loss once you drive off the showroom, so 28000*.80 = $22,400. How bout it?

Naw you don't have to scan anything, because I believe you. I know you didn't believe that I have an Accord, but I believe you. I just hope if I do keep the Accord or any vehicle that after the warranty is done that the dealer will fix stuff for me for free. I wonder what you did to get them to fix it though for FREE?
Nothing is fair, but I was thinking you will say $25K. But I think I will keep the car so I can be another "BenjiBoy650" and in 8 years I can post in a thread about my adventures with Honda and how they fixed my car without even me calling them and how I think people come to forum and talk like they own cars they don't have. Now I don't think I will have time to go back and do a background check on individuals and look at their history and what they wrote and post it. LOL man you went back and read everything I wrote on this website huh LOL. Man you need to stop this FBI/CIA shit

Hey Benji, Under your name you have this question: What are gears?
I hope Honda answered that question for you man, but you should ask "WHAT HAPPENED TO ME GEARS?"

Yes I went back to read your original Accord review and that's it. I come on a forum to read and learn after all - isn't that what you're here for? In general, I make it a habit to go back and read people's post. It helps to see where a person is coming from, their background, if they had previous issues, if its related to driving style, personal taste, etc. In other words, I put effort into getting to know people who are having problems so I can better help them :)

And this is where I'm leaving it. You're just resorting to childish antics now rather than logical discussion. What happened to me gears? What's the even supposed to mean? :lmao:

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Ok, this thread went south real fast! As far as OP stating his E class feels like going 10MPH when he is doing 100MPH is total exaggeration IMO. Even a bently wouldn't be like that. I had a CLK which basically is an E class just smaller and sportier. Yes, it is stable at highway speeds. Yes, it does feel faster than accord even though it had less HP. But you know what, now that I am over my break in period, I have opened up my car a little and have done a few WOT accelerations. I also have taken my car to 110 MPH couple of times briefly (of course safely on open road with no traffic). The accord v6 coupe is as stable at that speed as CLK. And the acceleration from 50-90 or higher in accord is WAY faster than CLK 320. Accord is what it is. In v6 coupe form it is sporty GT that is quite a capable machine. It is not however a sports car or quiet cruiser.

Yes I went back to read your original Accord review and that's it. I come on a forum to read and learn after all - isn't that what you're here for? In general, I make it a habit to go back and read people's post. It helps to see where a person is coming from, their background, if they had previous issues, if its related to driving style, personal taste, etc. In other words, I put effort into getting to know people who are having problems so I can better help them :)

And this is where I'm leaving it. You're just resorting to childish antics now rather than logical discussion. What happened to me gears? What's the even supposed to mean? :lmao:

So you read everything and "studied" me and came out to what conclusion? I can tell you what was your conclusion: THIS PERSON DOESN'T OWN AN ACCORD.
You never asked me in the begining what problems I was having, but just started attacking. If you did really read everything I wrote, then you will come to understand that "THIS PERSON EXPERIENCED MOST OF THESE PROBLEMS AND WAS HOPING TO OVERCOME THEM, BUT HE COULDN'T"
Every - thing I wrote in my review, I was hoping to overcome them for real, but couldn't. If only the vibration issue is fixed or gone then I will be ok.
Call them childish antics if you want, but you have it written. You tranny went bad and you are asking "WHAT ARE GEARS?" Didn't want to piss you off, so I am sorry.

Ok, this thread went south real fast! As far as OP stating his E class feels like going 10MPH when he is doing 100MPH is total exaggeration IMO. Even a bently wouldn't be like that. I had a CLK which basically is an E class just smaller and sportier. Yes, it is stable at highway speeds. Yes, it does feel faster than accord even though it had less HP. But you know what, now that I am over my break in period, I have opened up my car a little and have done a few WOT accelerations. I also have taken my car to 110 MPH couple of times briefly (of course safely on open road with no traffic). The accord v6 coupe is as stable at that speed as CLK. And the acceleration from 50-90 or higher in accord is WAY faster than CLK 320. Accord is what it is. In v6 coupe form it is sporty GT that is quite a capable machine. It is not however a sports car or quiet cruiser.

You said it man, the CLK is SMALLER AND SPORTIER and those 2 make a big difference. I have the luxury suspension on mine, may be thats why. Even my friends tell me that doing 100mph is nothing in it.
ANyways, I will stop here before someone thinks I am trying to compare cars.
But YES this thread did go down South. I just wanted to know how much a trade in value will be.

I just wanted to know how much a trade in value will be.www.nadaguides.com & if you got a pal or buddy in the 'industry, ask him what his lil' monthly black-book sez! :cool:

www.nadaguides.com & if you got a pal or buddy in the 'industry, ask him what his lil' monthly black-book sez! :cool:
NADA list 08 prices @N/A. Most dealers today will check auction sales on-line to get the most current sale prices.
Dealers are scared right now... Car sales are in the toilet. :thumbsdow

Trading in a vehicle that you have owned less than a year is always going to be a loss no matter how you slice it.:yes:(Unless you find someone with more money than brains:thmsup:)

I1:)

For what it's worth, I was also annoyed by the VCM when the car was new, but after it hit 3,000 miles or so, I stopped feeling it.
I have 11,000 now and seeing the green ECO light is the only indication that VCM is working.
Give the car a little more time to fully break in.

I think one could make a sweet deal on ANY new car out there. However, my Accord is paid off and fun to drive, so I will pass.

If things get really desperate, and GM comes out with $5000 rebates on new Malibus, I might do something. After all, the $3100 GM card rebate I have gets warm in my pocket from time to time.........:)

After all, the $3100 GM card rebate I have gets warm in my pocket from time to time.........:)
Time for a Hummer... as-in the SUV/SUT! :naughty:

Not much Malibu action where I reside, it's a 2-pony race here: Accord & Camry (slightly more popular). The others are just spectators (Passat, Malibu, Taurus, Altima, Mazda_6, etc'). . .

(Fixed your tranny for FREE after the warranty was done...don't believe it, but ok).

I would love to scan my invoices from the tranny for you.

Naw you don't have to scan anything, because I believe you.

lmfao


Anyway, it sounds like you had certain expectations before you bought a car and some diligent research would have showed you that the Accord wouldn't meet them .. so it's really not the car for you. It sucks that you'll have to live with a huge loss if you want to change cars but such is life

FWIW, this is my first new car and I love it .. I don't think it's the second coming but if I had to go back and do it again I would buy the Accord 100 times over.

Time for a Hummer... as-in the SUV/SUT! :naughty:

Not much Malibu action where I reside, it's a 2-pony race here: Accord & Camry (slightly more popular). The others are just spectators (Passat, Malibu, Taurus, Altima, Mazda_6, etc'). . .

The Malibu is probably the ONLY GM car I would buy, and the Buick Enclave is the only SUV I would consider.........:)

The malibu and the Buick Enclave have the worse resale value base on Car & Driver 2007,08 Top 10 worse resale value cars and SUV. EEE... I will stay far, far away from them.

I guess even Tiger Wood can only do so much, w/ regards to Buick! :D

Seriously... wth? Do I give a give a smidgeon of care of what Tiger Woods drives (which he doesn't, as he only endorses/patronizes the 'lineup for 8-figures per year). Even if Rosie O'Donnell or Ellen Degeneres drove the Saturn Sky, I'd still want one. And if Michael Jordan or Michale Schumacher drove a Cadillac CTS-V, I still wouldn't want one (stupid-fast-but-f'ugly, IMHO).

Friggin' automobile companies, in particular the Big 3! The need to reallocate those billions of dollars spent annually on advertising & product endorsement by celebs' or even product-placement on the big-screen, towards designs, styling, fit/finish, material-selection, etc'. When they say, "oh, it's because of healthcare benefits that we have to add $X,XXX.XX to each car, so blah-bla-bah...", I just roll my eyes. I assume Honda, Toyota, Mercedes, BMW, and other foreign-makes who employ American workers in U.S. based assembly plants don't have that to deal w/... :rolleyes:

The malibu and the Buick Enclave have the worse resale value base on Car & Driver 2007,08 Top 10 worse resale value cars and SUV. EEE... I will stay far, far away from them.

Time will tell...........give me a GM product other than a Vette that has good resale??

All I said is that if I could get $8500 off invoice and am willing to drive it for 10 years, I may consider. Also,I don't want or need an SUV........:wave:

1) The gas mileage is not what I thought it will be
2) Road noise is just too much I think.
3) The ride is bumpy

I have to completely agree with items 1, 2 and 3. Especially item 3. If I could sell my new 2008 Honda Accord V6 for what I paid for it, it would be gone tomorrow morning. I hate it.

Well numbers 2 and 3 should have been noticed on a test drive around the freakin block. Number 1 will improve as you get more miles on the car.

I hate people posting pictures of their cars when they are stock. What a waist of time when you post pictures of your car when you can step outside and see the same exact car. Post if you got something on the car others don't.


Not to start anything with you, but people post pictures of their cars because they are happy and want to share it with everyone one else (even if they are just stock cars).

Not to start anything with you, but people post pictures of their cars because they are happy and want to share it with everyone one else (even if they are just stock cars).

Agreed. Some of us highly dislike most modifications done to cars (myself included). I like the stock look.

I personally don't see any purpose in spending money on mods for a car that lower the resale value of your car.......

(I would NEVER buy a car that had an aftermarket exhaust, intake, spoiler, interior pieces, etc)

Agreed. Some of us highly dislike most modifications done to cars (myself included). I like the stock look.

I personally don't see any purpose in spending money on mods for a car that lower the resale value of your car.......

(I would NEVER buy a car that had an aftermarket exhaust, intake, spoiler, interior pieces, etc)x2. Different strokes for different folks. I like the stock look two. There's two sides of the street walhaddi...

I think one could make a sweet deal on ANY new car out there. However, my Accord is paid off and fun to drive, so I will pass.

If things get really desperate, and GM comes out with $5000 rebates on new Malibus, I might do something. After all, the $3100 GM card rebate I have gets warm in my pocket from time to time.........:)

bad thing there that they will only let you use something like 1500 gm dollars on Malibu. Or there'd be a rebate program and GM points will not be accepted with it.
Btw, Malibu is probably one the least discounted GM cars, it sells too well for that...

You might have better luck picking up a used 08 next year.