i accidentally grabbed the wrong microfiber towel when i was claying my car the other week. I grabbed the unwashed one instead of the washed one... now there are swirls on my car, what is the best way to get rid of swirls?

Swirls or micro scratches, won't be removed completely. The best way to "hide" it would be to give it a good coat of wax.

I use Meguires#80 and it does a great job at removing swirls. But there are a bunch of products that work. Do you have a D.A. or are you doing it by hand?

Swirls or micro scratches, won't be removed completely. The best way to "hide" it would be to give it a good coat of wax.

Sure they will, you need to buff them out with a polish.

Sure they will, you need to buff them out with a polish.

I guess what I am getting at is they are there forever. 11 years ago, I didn't know better and used a brush on my car and the swirls were there forever. Waxing it only "hides" it on a temporary basis.

Unless paint today is a lot different from 11 years ago. Not willing to test it out to see though what would happen if I used a brush at a hand wash :D

Nowadays, I either go touchless or use a soft cloth wash.

probably microswirls, i've never wiped my car with anything til then... very depressing everytime i look at my car very closely

probably microswirls, i've never wiped my car with anything til then... very depressing everytime i look at my car very closely

Consider yourself lucky it isn't black. You could see swirls on mine right off the truck.

There are many threads and posts on removal of these. They are not there for forever but it takes some good effort and product to accomplish the removal. Search the posts...you'll find several products listed by members who make a living doing this.

Swirls or micro scratches, won't be removed completely. The best way to "hide" it would be to give it a good coat of wax.

DEAD WRONG #1, SEE BELOW

I guess what I am getting at is they are there forever.

DEAD WRONG #2 !!!!!!!!! How do you think Pro detailers earn their money? I remove swirls, marring, and scratches on a regular basis, it's my only income. Several others here do the same on their own cars and on a pro basis. Just because you don't know how to do it don't claim they are there forever because that's pure crap.

i accidentally grabbed the wrong microfiber towel when i was claying my car the other week. I grabbed the unwashed one instead of the washed one... now there are swirls on my car, what is the best way to get rid of swirls?

I seriously question if an unwashed MF caused that, however............
Find a professional detailer in your area and have them give you a bid after they see the car. Check them out closely as there are a lot of hacks in the business. The other alternative is buy the equipment and learn how to do it yourself. There are TONS of threads under maint. & detailing that cover this subject. Use the search and you'll come up with a lot of information. You will be able to maintain your cars from that point on and maybe even earn some extra $$$ doing others.

DEAD WRONG #1, SEE BELOW



DEAD WRONG #2 !!!!!!!!! How do you think Pro detailers earn their money? I remove swirls, marring, and scratches on a regular basis, it's my only income. Several others here do the same. Just because you don't know how to do it don't claim they are there forever.


Must've had a bad day at work, I see.... Here's a drink man :drink:

DEAD WRONG #1, SEE BELOW



DEAD WRONG #2 !!!!!!!!! How do you think Pro detailers earn their money? I remove swirls, marring, and scratches on a regular basis, it's my only income. Several others here do the same on their own cars and on a pro basis. Just because you don't know how to do it don't claim they are there forever because that's pure crap and shows you know nothing about the subject at hand.


Whoa.

I see, i'll start looking around for detailers in my area. I just moved here to KS so it'll be a while. I wish i could start trying to experiment with detailing stuff but i live at an apt complex.

Must've had a bad day at work, I see.... Here's a drink man


Sorry if the truth hurts your feelings. You are spewing out incorrect information and that needed to be corrected before someone actually believed it.

I did come on too strong, and for that, I apologize to you. But reading absolutely false statements like those you posted makes my blood boil.

I see, i'll start looking around for detailers in my area. I just moved here to KS so it'll be a while. I wish i could start trying to experiment with detailing stuff but i live at an apt complex.

Look at some of the detailing sites like AutoGeek forum, Autopia, and Detail City. Not only can you find scads of information there are many pros that frequent the sites. On some you can ask for a detailer in your area and let them respond to you. Of course, there's always the phone book too. Good luck in your quest.

Being on the Internet, I take nothing personal and appreciate your response. Don't let various responses on these boards make your blood boil -- life's too short to let that happen my friend, :)

I appreciate being corrected on this matter. Like I said in an earlier post, it happened 11 years ago and upon inquiring at various places, I was told that I was stuck with it, which made me kinda depressed at the time. Maybe technology wasn't up to par back then :dunno: but it is good to see that there is a permanent solution as opposed to a temporary one.

Times have changed since then, and frankly they lied to you at that time.....corrections were available. The solution is unfortunately not permanent. Incorrect washing techniques can easily cause marks, marring, swirls, whatever you care to call them. It is inevitable no matter how hard you try to minimize them. That's where people like me (and others here) come in. Mine requires a machine polish once a year and I know what I'm doing when I wash/clean it. It's part of owning a car and caring about it's looks on a professional level.

I have some customers where I correct their paint twice a year and a few others where it's done four times a year. Those folks are as anal as I am about their car's appearance........my favorite type of customer. I taught them to care, initially they did not.

Sorry that you got bad information.....and believed it.

When someone gives completely false statements, although innocent, about the way I earn my living it does make my blood boil. That will not change.

So we have both learned here. I bid you well.

ok 1 other question, if you do not machine polish after you wash and clay your car, and you move right on to waxing by hand... would your results differ very much?

If there are paint defects (swirls, scratches, etc.), then yes. The polishing step can make a world of difference.

ok 1 other question, if you do not machine polish after you wash and clay your car, and you move right on to waxing by hand... would your results differ very much?

The difference after machine polishing is dramatic. Skipping that step and going straight to wax will not yield the same results but it will still look nice.

For those where machine polishing is impractical or impossible there is another approach available. That is to hide or diguise light swirls/marks/etc. Two products that will do that and clean the paint at the same time are from Poorboy's. Black Hole is for dark colors and White Diamond is for light colors. Once used wax or sealant can be applied on top of it. If you have no intention of paying a detailer to remove the imperfections and don't want the expense of buying the proper equipment this is the way to go.

Mind you that no pro detailer worth his (or her) salt would do this because they want to perfect the finish not hide the boo boos. For the average Joe that wants their ride to look showroom nice these two products are miracle workers. Here's a link to Poorboy's for more information:

http://www.poorboysworld.com/

cool... thanks for the info... after looking at all the posts of all the prof detailed cars i think ima wait til winter is over and find someone to detail it for me...

DO get some sealant on it before winter sets in.

sealant? which do you prefer? sorry for all the questions im a noob to detailing

One that is available practically anywhere and does a good job is Meguiar's NXT Techwax 2.0. Nope, no wax in it at all it's a synthetic sealant. I prefer the liquid but either one will do what you need. You'll need a foam applicator and some clean microfiber towels to wipe it off with. More is not better, apply it thin, very thin.

DuraGloss #105 is another, in fact much better, but not as available as the Meguiar's is. You can order it online though.

cool... thanks for the help

Duragloss is available at some autoparts stores. I called up the local Federated auto parts around 4pm one day and although it wasn't in stock they could have it there the next day by 10:30am. The prices are less than online and no shipping charge either.

http://www.duragloss.com/duragloss-stores.asp

They can be removed.. I have proof:D

Before
http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn29/Deep_Gloss_Auto_Salon/Dodge%20Ram%20in%20Black/DSCF0735.jpg

After
http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn29/Deep_Gloss_Auto_Salon/Dodge%20Ram%20in%20Black/DSCF0747.jpg

Before
http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn29/Deep_Gloss_Auto_Salon/Dodge%20Ram%20in%20Black/DSCF0767.jpg

Half & Half
http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn29/Deep_Gloss_Auto_Salon/Dodge%20Ram%20in%20Black/DSCF0770.jpg


After:
http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn29/Deep_Gloss_Auto_Salon/Dodge%20Ram%20in%20Black/DSCF0777.jpg

Was that the Dodge truck? What a mess!

Was that the Dodge truck? What a mess!

Yessir!:D

What kind of buffer did you use? I have really bad and noticeable swirls on my hood.

What kind of buffer did you use? I have really bad and noticeable swirls on my hood.

Makita 9227 rotary

I'd like to note that a rotary isn't for beginners. It takes some skill to use them without burning the paint or causing more marring than what was there before. Lxus_Honda, if you plan on removing the swirls yourself, I highly suggest getting a PC or a UDM as its an orbital (not rotary) and is 95% impossible to burn the paint. A set of good, new pads, and some polish (I use Menzerna, but there is cheaper polish out there that will work almost as good for less), and you'll be all set!

I'd like to note that a rotary isn't for beginners. It takes some skill to use them without burning the paint or causing more marring than what was there before. Lxus_Honda, if you plan on removing the swirls yourself, I highly suggest getting a PC or a UDM as its an orbital (not rotary) and is 95% impossible to burn the paint. A set of good, new pads, and some polish (I use Menzerna, but there is cheaper polish out there that will work almost as good for less), and you'll be all set!


I agree but there are a couple of things to note:

1. The Porter Cable and the UDM are one and the same now so purchase by price.

2. Nothing short of a rotary would have touched the marks shown in Motor City's pictures. A mess like that calls for heavyweight products and heavyweight knowledge.

I agree but there are a couple of things to note:

1. The Porter Cable and the UDM are one and the same now so purchase by price. That's why I mentioned them in particular ;) It's the best starter product(s) IMO, and yes, they are one in the same.

2. Nothing short of a rotary would have touched the marks shown in Motor City's pictures. A mess like that calls for heavyweight products and heavyweight knowledge.That's a fact! Even with a yellow CCS with MIP will not show the results of a similarly equipped rotary!

Well I always waxed my car by hand and I am kinda tired of doing that which is why i asked. I might think about getting the porter cable but ill attempt to get those swirls out by hand again (need to use more "elbow grease")

Are those white scratches in the photo post by motorcity in the clear coat or is that down to the primer? I have scratches similar to those on the trunk lid of my NBP '06 coupe and was sure I would need to get it repainted. Can these really be polished out ? You can barely catch your finger nail in them. Please tell me it's so!

If they had been down to the primer no amount of buffing would have removed them. You can see that they were polished out. This man doesn't half step anything. He does it right or he won't do it at all.

DO get some sealant on it before winter sets in.

For winter, would you recommend applying multiple coats of DG 105 for durability?

No need if you use the 601 prior and prep the surface correctly.

Well I always waxed my car by hand and I am kinda tired of doing that which is why i asked. I might think about getting the porter cable but ill attempt to get those swirls out by hand again (need to use more "elbow grease")

You should still wax by hand. The PC (and others) are essentially for polishing and defect removal.

If they had been down to the primer no amount of buffing would have removed them. You can see that they were polished out. This man doesn't half step anything. He does it right or he won't do it at all.


Thank you sir!!

And yes, RTF is correct, if down to primer onoy repaint will correct

Is it possible that they use white primer on a black car? Does a scratch in the clear coat show up white?

Is it possible that they use white primer on a black car? Does scratches in the clear coat show up white?

You can see in the pics I posted in this thread that the scratches I removed appear whiet in nature