View Full Version : Speeding ticket and tint citation question
Indubitably 10-28-2008, 09:02 AM I was pulled over today for speeding going 60 on a 45mph area :thumbsdow.. and then when he gave me the ticket he said he also cited me for tint..(i have 20% all around) i was wondering whats the % chance that i will have to remove my tint? the officer didn't give me any information regarding removing my tint.. or if i get cited for tint, do i have to remove it or is it only if the cop tells me to.. and about how much would the ticket cost for going 15 mph over and for the tint. thanks
VFR pilot 10-28-2008, 09:06 AM well you can just plead guilty to the tint ticket and pay it.
next_milenium 10-28-2008, 09:07 AM The law in California for fix-it tickets require one to get a signature from a police officer to verify the issue has been corrected. Therefore, for a window tint violation, you'd have to first remove the tint, find a cop or go to a police station (donut shops work well LOL) and get them to inspect your car and sign off. I believe it used to be free but now they charge you $15 administrative fees.
Indubitably 10-28-2008, 09:13 AM am i supposed to do that before or after court? if the cop didnt mention anything to me, how would i know what to do?
MatmanVT 10-28-2008, 09:18 AM Tix prices really depend on the state you live in. My one and only ticket was about 9 years ago. 15 over, and if I remember correctly it was $178 and 3 points on my license. That was a LOT of beer money at the time!!!
LateNites 10-28-2008, 09:20 AM My guess is that you either A) pay the tint ticket, and hope you don't get pulled over again or B) As Next_Milenium said remove the tint and get it inspected. Which they should drop the charges then.
next_milenium 10-28-2008, 09:28 AM In California, you can't simply pay for the ticket and keep the tint. You have to take care of the fix-it ticket or you won't be able to renew your registration next year.
Also, you should get that tint taken care of before the court date, just remove it and have a cop sign off on it. It's too much of a PITA for me so I no longer tint front side windows.
pmcjr 10-28-2008, 10:31 AM There should be an agency and phone number on the back of the ticked that you can call to get info on how to pay the fine(s), eg, Clerk of the County Court. Call them and ask the question. You can't pay anyway until the ticket has been input into the system...another reason to call and confirm.
USAFRET 10-28-2008, 10:37 AM I wouldn't pay the fines or go to court without consulting a lawyer. You can look in the yellow pages for tons of Traffic Law attorneys.
I'd rather pay a lawyer than accept the penalties/points associated with these infractions.
Agent_M12 10-28-2008, 10:47 AM The law in California for fix-it tickets require one to get a signature from a police officer to verify the issue has been corrected. Therefore, for a window tint violation, you'd have to first remove the tint, find a cop or go to a police station (donut shops work well LOL) and get them to inspect your car and sign off. I believe it used to be free but now they charge you $15 administrative fees.
I second his answer
next_milenium 10-28-2008, 11:04 AM If this is your 1st moving violation within last 18 months, in CA (not sure about other states but I assume similar) you can attend an online traffic school (about $30 and 2-3 hours if you are quick learner) and drop the point. Ask the court that you want to attend an online traffic school and they'll give you the information (FYI, my friends have used idrivesafely.com with great success and ease). Hope this helps.
mhadden 10-28-2008, 11:05 AM Lawyers just take your money and do the work for you. They are only necessary for serious traffic offenses (ie. over 30mph, reckless driving, etc.) For very little work on your own time, you can contact the Prosecutor or his/her associate and work out a deal. I, my wife, and my father have done this many times with success. More times than not you will pay $50-100 over what your fine would have been (not bad considering a lawyer will cost you about a grand or more). Some states, including Indiana and Illinois, have diversion programs where you pay a set amount over your ticket price and don't get caught speeding again for 6 months to a year and they throw out the ticket and it never goes on record. The downside is if you are caught speeding again within the time period, you forfeit any monies paid on the diversion and you are automatically guilty for the first one and your diversion goes out the window for the new one...
Just something to think about...
EDIT: next_millenium also brought up a great point. Some states/municipalities allow you to take a defensive driving class to waive points/and or ticket on record.
hondaracer4vtec 10-28-2008, 11:08 AM Just remove your front two doors.Then go to a cop and have him sign it. the rear and the back windshield can be 5% and they can't do anything. Then just replace the front two later on once you go to court for the speeding ticket.
Agent_M12 10-28-2008, 11:12 AM I suggest everyone on this board make it a point to find out which of your friends know a local pd officer in their neighborhood and befriend him. Then you won't have to worry about little things such as this.
That or join the force yourself and have the time best time of your life while getting paid.
next_milenium 10-28-2008, 11:16 AM Just remove your front two doors.Then go to a cop and have him sign it. the rear and the back windshield can be 5% and they can't do anything. Then just replace the front two later on once you go to court for the speeding ticket.
I wouldn't recommend that since with any bad luck you'll be pulled over again and have to go thru removing the tint again. Not worth the headache IMO.
GuidoCoupeV6 10-28-2008, 11:18 AM In California, you can't simply pay for the ticket and keep the tint. You have to take care of the fix-it ticket or you won't be able to renew your registration next year.
Also, you should get that tint taken care of before the court date, just remove it and have a cop sign off on it. It's too much of a PITA for me so I no longer tint front side windows.
That sucks ... last time I got a tint ticket was awhile back and at that time it was a one time $35 fine (plus or minus the court surcharge for that area) ...It may have been changed since than but that's a just pay it and forget about it ticket in my opinion
As for speeding, over here its $5 for every mph you are over the speed limit, so the fine gets pretty hefty the faster you get caught at ... (60 in a 40 zone would come out to be 20x$5 = $100 plus court charge so give or take $30-$40 dollars) ...
But that was also awhile back, my most recent ticket was for a rolling stop at a stop sign and what i found out was is the charges are inflated VERY high these days ... I am talking almost $300 for the stop sign now ... luckily we knew someone and i got out of it but that's more than any speeding ticket i ever got in the past ... :paranoid:
blkoutmcgee 10-28-2008, 11:51 AM As far as the speeding ticket goes. If he clocked you with a radar or a laser goto court plead nolo, pay the fine and no points. As far as the tint goes, Did the officer have a tint meter? If not you can fight it. If your above 5% on the tint you should be able to beat the ticket.
mhadden 10-28-2008, 01:55 PM ...If he clocked you with a radar or a laser goto court plead nolo...What in the hell is nolo? lol If its no contest, that's just like saying "I'm guilty, but I don't want to tell you why".
elp_jc 10-28-2008, 01:57 PM Here in TX, if you go to court and are found guilty (or plea guilty), court costs alone are $300, so it'd be kind of stupid to plea guilty. I don't understand why people who get an obvious speeding ticket with a freaking radar always want to fight it. If you're positive it was somebody else, I understand. But most are so damn obvious it's stupid to even try to fight it; just take it like a man and take care of it the best possible way, which if you're eligible, is the defensive driving route.
As far as the tint, if I were you I'd just remove the front windows and get the ticket fixed. Then put 35% in the front, which is legal is almost all states. And it's safer at night too, so they're doing you a favor. Good luck.
JC
GuidoCoupeV6 10-28-2008, 02:09 PM Here in TX, if you go to court and are found guilty (or plea guilty), court costs alone are $300, so it'd be kind of stupid to plea guilty. I don't understand why people who get an obvious speeding ticket with a freaking radar always want to fight it. If you're positive it was somebody else, I understand. But most are so damn obvious it's stupid to even try to fight it; just take it like a man and take care of it the best possible way, which if you're eligible, is the defensive driving route.
The reason behind fighting an obvious speeding ticket is more than likely when you are presented in front of the judge (with the exception you have a clean record etc.) its likely it will be reduced in some way ... Speeding may go down if your lucky to a seat belt instead in which no points are incurred and only a small fine will be paid ... The worst that can happen when pleaing not guilty is they keep the fine the way it is, but i have never seen that ever happen ..
What will get you into trouble is if you have more than one "take it like a man ticket and just pay it" on your record prior!! .. 3 speeding tickets in 18mos time results in a loss of your license which happened to me when i was 18 and had this mentality ... by the time i realized i should have pleaded not guilty and see if the judge/court would have reduced it, it was already my 3rd ticket and to late .. one of the worst feelings in the world is to go to the dmv to submit your license for restriction (luckily i still got to go to work and school) ...
elp_jc 10-28-2008, 02:43 PM If you don't have to pay court costs, like we do, then it makes sense.
What I meant by 'take it like a man', besides taking defensive driving or such, is to get real. You need to slow down, buy a radar detector, etc. You can't expect to keep breaking the law and always get leniency. I know most speed limits are crap, but that's the freaking law.
I travel WAY over the limit, especially on my bike, but mostly on desolated roads, and on weekdays. But when I get a speeding ticket, I slow the hell down and pay more attention until I can take defensive driving again, so I've never had any points in my license.
It's been a while since the last one, but recently was caught on my bike at 89 on a 60 in NM. Cop told me I could get arrested and bike impounded for reckless driving. A deserted highway in the middle of nowhere doesn't qualify as reckless IMO, but I just told him I was speeding in a safe manner but accepted full responsibility, and would appreciate a reduction in speed to avoid points. Miraculously, he let me go because I had a clean record (whew!). I learned a lesson: I need to pay attention (slow down in blind hills/curves/etc) even on deserted roads. Guy was coming back from an accident I later saw. I was lucky... for a change. Good luck man.
JC
CmnMrkt 10-28-2008, 03:08 PM I got a fix-it ticket for my tint 3 months ago. I removed the tint and went to a CHP base and had it "stamped off". After that, you have to bring the ticket to the cashier at the courthouse and pay $10, that's it. As for the speeding ticket, it should be around $350 (depending on your speed). I've had 3 speeding tix already, and almost a 4th one when I tried to race a CHP on Christmas awhile back. I told her I didn't know what the speed limit was on the freeway, she was nice enough to let me go - hahahaha! I'm in Cali by the way...
dazz8787 10-28-2008, 03:51 PM ahh I remember I got a tint ticket on my 94 GSR 10 yrs ago....took it to a local CHP to get it sign off. Guy there was a total jerk! He wouldn't sign off on my tint ticket cause my car was lowered and I had no front plate.
Ibanez540r 10-28-2008, 03:59 PM IT DEPENDS WHERE YOUR AT. Here in my county in Ohio, you can waive the tint cite (pay by mail) and keep getting more, keeping the tint. A city over where they have a mayor's court, they make you have it removed. Everywhere is going to be different, trust me :yes:
Indubitably 10-28-2008, 04:18 PM so most likely since i do live in Cali, i am going to have to take off the tint. :thumbsdow even if he didnt tell me to do so? this is my first ticket so i dont have any points on my license yet either
jblaust 10-28-2008, 04:25 PM get a reciept saying you paid to remove the tint and take it to court. they should throw the ticket out because you complied. I have done it a couple of times. works like a charm. as for the speeding ticket just get a traffic attorney for $70 and more than likely it will be thrown out or no school no points just with court costs.
blkoutmcgee 10-28-2008, 06:18 PM What in the hell is nolo? lol If its no contest, that's just like saying "I'm guilty, but I don't want to tell you why".
Yeah it is like saying your guilty, but the only difference with nolo(nolocontendre), or no contest is when you plead this way you pay lessor fine and you dont get the pts on your license(if no other tickets in the last 18 mnts). So when you think about, if you can do, it nolo is the best way to go with a speeding ticket. :thmsup:
If the officer didnt have a tint meter fight that tint ticket!!!!!
Indubitably 10-28-2008, 07:20 PM im not sure what a tint meter is... he just came up to me and said..hey man your tint is way too dark.. you cant have limo on the front.. and i was like its 20%..and he said well either way i cant see you and if i cant see you thats bad..is a tint meter a device that they have?
Calamity Coyote 10-28-2008, 07:44 PM ..is a tint meter a device that they have?
Yes, a tint meter is a device that slips over the window and measures the amount of light that can pass through the tint. I don't know of many officers who actually carry one of these with them. State inspection stations usually do have one to test windows before approving their inspection. If your tint is at or above the regulated specs and you can prove it, you should be able to dismiss that ticket. Also, many tint shops put a little sticker in the window before tinting them specifying the amount of transparancy. If yours has this, it might help in fighting the ticket. Can't say that it would be 100% proof as I have seen tint shops lie about the percentage of tint they put on and can easy put the wrong sticker on.
blkoutmcgee 10-28-2008, 08:57 PM im not sure what a tint meter is... he just came up to me and said..hey man your tint is way too dark.. you cant have limo on the front.. and i was like its 20%..and he said well either way i cant see you and if i cant see you thats bad..is a tint meter a device that they have?
Did he say "limo tint"? Limo tint is usually 5%.
TMMR03 10-28-2008, 09:06 PM I was pulled over today for speeding going 60 on a 45mph area :thumbsdow.. and then when he gave me the ticket he said he also cited me for tint..(i have 20% all around) i was wondering whats the % chance that i will have to remove my tint? the officer didn't give me any information regarding removing my tint.. or if i get cited for tint, do i have to remove it or is it only if the cop tells me to.. and about how much would the ticket cost for going 15 mph over and for the tint. thanks
With regards to your question: The way it works in Nebraska where I work as a sworn LEO; we can give a.)citations b.)fix it tickets c.)written warnings or a combination of the three. Our fix-it tickets and written warnings are on the same 'card', however "Uniform State Citations" are on their own.
If you are given a written warning or fix it ticket, there is no court cost or re-procussion to not taking care of the 'fix-it' portion, that is unless the county attorney really wants to follow up on it.
If you are given a citation for speed and another for tint violation, there is no 'fix-it' attached, it simply states that you were in violation and you can be found guilty or not guilty. If you pay it by mail, it's unlikely that a judge will send you an order to remove the tint, if you appear in court and fight it, he or she may order you to remove it if found guilty.
By paying the citation by mail, you are pleading guilty to both charges, one of which is a moving violation (i.e. points on license) and the other is non-moving.
Basically what I'm saying is do what you want, but me personally, I would leave the tint unless you have a written order to remove it. Try and see if there's a driving improvement course you can take to avoid points on your license and QUIT SPEEDING!
Haha, I'm just giving you crap man. We all make mistakes, but the closer you are to the speed limit, the less likely you are to be bothered by the police. Be safe out there. Hope this helps, again this information only pertains to Nebraska and more specifically my jurisdiction with regards to follow up on fix-it tickets.
TMMR03
elp_jc 10-28-2008, 09:08 PM if i cant see you thats bad..
If you can't be seen from the outside, don't even bother trying to fight it man. It's WAY too dark indeed.
And here in TX, pleading 'no contest' is the same as paying the darn ticket, except you save $300 in court costs. The good news is you don't need to go to court to get defensive driving anymore, but still costs $120. And it's only automatic if less than 20 over and a few other typical offenses. Later.
JC
Indubitably 10-28-2008, 10:28 PM With regards to your question: The way it works in Nebraska where I work as a sworn LEO; we can give a.)citations b.)fix it tickets c.)written warnings or a combination of the three. Our fix-it tickets and written warnings are on the same 'card', however "Uniform State Citations" are on their own.
If you are given a written warning or fix it ticket, there is no court cost or re-procussion to not taking care of the 'fix-it' portion, that is unless the county attorney really wants to follow up on it.
If you are given a citation for speed and another for tint violation, there is no 'fix-it' attached, it simply states that you were in violation and you can be found guilty or not guilty. If you pay it by mail, it's unlikely that a judge will send you an order to remove the tint, if you appear in court and fight it, he or she may order you to remove it if found guilty.
By paying the citation by mail, you are pleading guilty to both charges, one of which is a moving violation (i.e. points on license) and the other is non-moving.
Basically what I'm saying is do what you want, but me personally, I would leave the tint unless you have a written order to remove it. Try and see if there's a driving improvement course you can take to avoid points on your license and QUIT SPEEDING!
Haha, I'm just giving you crap man. We all make mistakes, but the closer you are to the speed limit, the less likely you are to be bothered by the police. Be safe out there. Hope this helps, again this information only pertains to Nebraska and more specifically my jurisdiction with regards to follow up on fix-it tickets.
TMMR03
So technically unless there is a written order that says i must take off my tint, then i can leave it on? well it was a cop motorcycle that pulled me over so im pretty sure he couldnt hold the tint checking machine on him.. i saw him have some kind of printer on his motorcycle where my citation came from.. theres a square box that says.. law broken: Speed Limit 60 on 45..and then under that it says unlawful tint..and right next to the two laws broken theres a small check box and the one next to unlawful tint was checked if that means anything.. thanks for your help
Did he say "limo tint"? Limo tint is usually 5%.
he just said "you cant have limo on the front"
Indubitably 10-28-2008, 10:29 PM If you can't be seen from the outside, don't even bother trying to fight it man. It's WAY too dark indeed.
And here in TX, pleading 'no contest' is the same as paying the darn ticket, except you save $300 in court costs. The good news is you don't need to go to court to get defensive driving anymore, but still costs $120. And it's only automatic if less than 20 over and a few other typical offenses. Later.
JC
i know 20% is pretty dark but it probably looks even darker because my car is black on black..i was pulled over in the early morning though so it doesnt usually seem too dark..
TMMR03 10-29-2008, 07:51 PM Like I said, do what you want, but personally unless I have an order to do something; I'm not going to do it.
TMMR03
Greg S 10-29-2008, 08:11 PM You have to remove the tint and get it signed off at a sherrif or CHP inpection center. Any tint on the front side windows is illegal in California and anything more than a 6" strip across the front windshield, doesn't matter if it's 5% or 90% it's all illegal. It'll cost you $10 at the courthouse for the processing of the fix-it after you have had it removed. As for the speeding ticket, if it is your first one and just pay the fine on-line and sign-up for traffic school. You'll pay a little more but it will not go on your record. If you plead no-contest in California it still goes on your record as a point. The first point won't affect your insurance but the second one will. It doesn't affect your license until you have 4 points on record for an 18 month period, then they pull your license. Unless you drive more than 25,000 miles per year then you have until 6 points. Don't ask how I know all of this.:naughty:
boxster 11-18-2008, 02:54 PM window tint is a non-moving traffic violation and no points attached to it. If ticketed you must remove the tint, in most places the only windows you cannot tint are the front side windows. You are wasting your time trying to dispute a tint ticket. Speeding, that a different story.
D.
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