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Now we live in a generally quiet, peaceful place.... suddenly at about 6PM last night we heard gun shots.... then sirens, then 2 helicopters were over head. Within 30 minutes there were swarms of cops from several cities as far as 30 mles away! They closed the streets for hours. The kids had gone out to dinner & couldn't come home! They ended up parking at the nearby park & walking.... then Jacob went back to get their car hours later.

All night & all day today there's been forensic trailers & several vehicles here. One helicopter landed yesterday to take the wounded officer away last night & one today to take someone up to retrace the route.....right in our park....4 houses away!

The trail mentioned is our bike trail.....right behind our house.....about 15 feet from our fence.

Please keep this officer & his family in your prayers....

what is wrong with these people?? there is no excuse anywhere, anytiime for things like this. never. I am sorry. :(

They are stupid kids......I just can't believe they chose to do the robbery when the store's lot was full of children!!! Then shooting at a cop.....doing that they'd have to know they'd be hunted!!!

:jawdrop:

thats scary when it happens right in your own backyard, literally!! :paranoid:

17 and 18 year-old "suspects"...

Absent-parenting. The source of most of today's society's problems yet again..

Absent-parenting

very possible! or looking for a thrill.....


We left the dogs out all night, hoping to keep them from using our yard. The rumor was that there were 4....but rumors are usually wrong & this one was!

17 and 18 year-old "suspects"...

Absent-parenting. The source of most of today's society's problems yet again..

i second that

That is so messed up.

My cousin (who lives in Sacramento) got involved in gangs, drugs and crime when he was 16. And the thing is that he's an only child and has so much opportunity available to him.

He's always in and out of jail, now it's just for drugs, but he's been convicted of grand theft auto once and arrested for it and got away (i.e. he stole three cars!) twice. That is so messed up and I am ashamed that he's family. In fact, my mom wants to have nothing to do with him.

And it's not like his parents were bad or anything. His dad was in the air force and his mom worked in a bank, and they lived on the base until his dad retired. His mom is such a kind and religious person. Not that religion says anything about a person but she supposedly brought her family up with proper values unlike some of the kids I see here in NYC whose parents threaten to kill teachers and stuff. I honestly don't know what it is but I think being cool among your friends is more important than living peacefully?

It's not the parents, it's a combination of things.....

Many "latch-key" kids have turned out fine. Never had run in with gangs or the law. My mom always worked. It's what's being taught along with it.... for example: you can be saying "respect me" & then call every cop you see a "pig" or show other signs of disrespect for authority. You can't say "don't lie" then tell your kid to say "I'm not home" when auntie Annoying calls. You can't say "don't steal" then leave the store with a grin when they give you too much change.

They learn SO MUCH by age 3! It's easier to see when it's grandkids.... it's much more obvious at a distance.

Now even with wonderful parenting we also have other influences.... the media being the best example there... even Disney movies teach dishonesty!

So if dishonesty is "normal" then why not move on to stealing little stuff, then big stuff? I still believe the vast majority of kids are great. But it only takes a handful to mess things up for a whole community.

Then there's the spoiled brats! They want what they want NOW! They get a thrill out of seeing others suffer.

The best thing parents can do for a kid is to teach them how to take NO for answer!!! No matter how much they whine......later it will pay off! :)

And teach consequences. Every action has a reaction! Some good, some bad.

Then when you're all done raising them. Pray your values stick. It's not all up to the parents...... they make their own choices....we just have to hope we gave them the tools to make the right ones!

It's my number one soap box - parent(s) not being parent(s). Kids have to learn there are consequences for their actions. Parents control children, not children control the parents. Take a very active roll in their lives. They can whine all they want, but they will do the right thing or pay the price (at least in my house). I remember coming home from Target one day when my daughter was very young, maybe 4 or 5. Well she had pocketed a little $1 toy. Well I drove her back to the store and had her hand it back to the teller. She was crying and scared to death. GOOD ! She never did that again.

I'm sorry the officer has to pay the price for the bad parenting. He will be in our prayers.

amen! Remember the days when just THAT look from a parent was enough to make a kid sit up straight? I spoil the grandkids, but they also know I mean it when I say NO. Their dad comments all the time on how they klisten to me better than him.... I keep telling him it's because I follow through....with both good stuff & bad. Don't threaten & not do it. Don't promise & not do it.


The officer died. He's still hooked up to life support for organ donation right now.

Today the feild is full of cadets helping to look for more evidence. They want to have EVERYTHING they can to put the ones responsible away.

I'll be cringing when I hear helicopters & sirens for a while....but we'll get back to normal soon. :)

they're buzzing us again.......

They all left in the middle of the night sometime! That should mean they finally found the gun!!! :banana: I think they may be asking for "special circumstances" in this case & charging both of them for the murder of the cop!