that is not excited about Obama? =\

::sigh::

... oh boy, lolz! :D

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(I've let the healin' begin since late night on Tuesday, the 4th of November, 2008... you should too, perhaps; and, I'm not doin' too-too bad... but, I can easily relapse if I get caught-up into da' mix again, ha! :eek:)

well id rather him than an old guy who will proly die and leave the alaskan retard as president

well id rather him than an old guy who will proly die and leave the alaskan retard as president

That I definitely agree with. But i'm sick of everyone acting like this guy is a damn prodigy because of his race. And if I hear "change" one more time....

everyone praises him as a prodigy, because they want him to pull a miracle and fix the economy.

That I definitely agree with. But i'm sick of everyone acting like this guy is a damn prodigy because of his race. And if I hear "change" one more time....

agreed

everyone praises him as a prodigy, because they want him to pull a miracle and fix the economy.

I disagree. It is because he is African American. Don't get me wrong I think it's great to have a president that is a race other than white... but I am a firm believer that people did not elect him for the right reasons. When you hear people proclaiming his name, they aren't say "WAHHOOO HE WILL MAKE OUR ECONOMY BETTER!" they are saying "A BROTHA'S IN THE HOUSE"..... He's way too young. Too experienced. Oh, and read his book...that's a real eye opener...

Aye, I am getting myself all aggravated. ::sits down to watch American Idol::

look who he has surrounded himself with...look at the flawless transition...look at the outreach to conservatives (lunch with Kristol/Kudlow yesterday). Jim Jones, Bob Gates, Hillary Clinton, Joe Biden. This is not a team of inexperienced, naive beginners. Forget what some African Americans are chanting in the streets, Obama is about business, and he's going to be a lot less liberal than some on the far left would have hoped.

I disagree. It is because he is African American. Don't get me wrong I think it's great to have a president that is a race other than white... but I am a firm believer that people did not elect him for the right reasons. When you hear people proclaiming his name, they aren't say "WAHHOOO HE WILL MAKE OUR ECONOMY BETTER!" they are saying "A BROTHA'S IN THE HOUSE"..... He's way too young. Too experienced. Oh, and read his book...that's a real eye opener...

Aye, I am getting myself all aggravated. ::sits down to watch American Idol::

Too experienced? That's a new one.

Anyway, don't kid yourself. I can assure you that more people voted for McCain because he is white than those that voted for Obama because he is black. That's beside the point either way. It is certainly too early to say, but Obama has been making a flawless, respectable transition as Tuolomne said. I am confident he will be a breath of fresh air for this country, not because of his race.

look who he has surrounded himself with...look at the flawless transition...look at the outreach to conservatives (lunch with Kristol/Kudlow yesterday). Jim Jones, Bob Gates, Hillary Clinton, Joe Biden. This is not a team of inexperienced, naive beginners. Forget what some African Americans are chanting in the streets, Obama is about business, and he's going to be a lot less liberal than some on the far left would have hoped.


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Too experienced? That's a new one.

Anyway, don't kid yourself. I can assure you that more people voted for McCain because he is white than those that voted for Obama because he is black. That's beside the point either way. It is certainly too early to say, but Obama has been making a flawless, respectable transition as Tuolomne said. I am confident he will be a breath of fresh air for this country, not because of his race.


and that is actually true

that is not excited about Obama? =\

::sigh::

Excited? I'll say it up front, I'm scared!

Too experienced? That's a new one.

Anyway, don't kid yourself. I can assure you that more people voted for McCain because he is white than those that voted for Obama because he is black. That's beside the point either way. It is certainly too early to say, but Obama has been making a flawless, respectable transition as Tuolomne said. I am confident he will be a breath of fresh air for this country, not because of his race.

Sorry i meant to say "isn't too experienced." Ah!

I too feel that he was elected for the wrong reasons, but I'm not entirely pessimistic about him. He seems to have a lot of decent policies to put into place and to have a level head on his shoulders.

On the other hand, wtf was he thinking when he picked Clinton for Secretary of State.

I too feel that he was elected for the wrong reasons, but I'm not entirely pessimistic about him. He seems to have a lot of decent policies to put into place and to have a level head on his shoulders.

On the other hand, wtf was he thinking when he picked Clinton for Secretary of State.

Perhaps he was hoping that infidelity runs in the family ;)

He was the best alternative, even for this conservative; there's no perfect candidate, especially with our 2-party system (I don't like neither). At least he has incentive to do a good job, and he's not afraid to surround himself with smart people. On the other hand, he has his hands full, so I don't expect him to accomplish much... at least on his first term. We'll see.
Heck, I had high expectations of Bush, and look how he turned out. Obama can't do any worse IMO. Take care.

haha PM'd you cause i don't even want to comment on this one..

Ah hahah what th hell kinda thread is this???

You're brave girl.....much more than I am! :banana:

He was the best alternative, even for this conservative; there's no perfect candidate, especially with our 2-party system (I don't like neither). At least he has incentive to do a good job, and he's not afraid to surround himself with smart people. On the other hand, he has his hands full, so I don't expect him to accomplish much... at least on his first term. We'll see.
Heck, I had high expectations of Bush, and look how he turned out. Obama can't do any worse IMO. Take care.

I don't think that he will make it past his first term...lots of death threats on him already. The last time that a black man made such an impact look what happened.... =\. It's really sad but I have a bad feeling.

There isn't anything we can do now...just hope that it works out. He has some good ideas, but whether anything becomes of them or not who knows...http://www.wizdforums.co.uk/images/smilies/shrug.gif

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I don't think that he will make it past his first term...

I think it'll be hard for him to make it past his first term, anyway (in the political sense). The "perfect storm" our country is weathering right now took longer than four years to create. As such, I'm afraid it's going to take far more than four years to correct. Obama has a lot of good ideas (and a lot of not-so-good ones) and he's got a lot of smart people advising him, but I just don't think the problems can be fixed in one term. Americans are all about instant gratification, so if the economy isn't "booming" again by the end of his first term, I doubt if he'll get another one.

That said, I wish him the best. Whatever the reason people voted for him was, we did witness a notable moment in history with this election. Hopefully he can at least alter our course a bit while he's in office.

It was weird seeing our president elect giving pounds to people on youtube... btw, you should watch the episode of southpark dedicated to obama and "change" lol

I too feel that he was elected for the wrong reasons, but I'm not entirely pessimistic about him. He seems to have a lot of decent policies to put into place and to have a level head on his shoulders.

On the other hand, wtf was he thinking when he picked Clinton for Secretary of State.

Clinton is a force to be reckoned with on the international stage. Not only is she and her husband greatly respected across the globe, but she has countless personal relationships with worldwide leaders. She's smart, tireless, and tough like a rock. You don't play with Hillary Clinton, and world leaders know this.

I have to say, I am left leaning, but if there were two people I'd want in a room together to plot through a impending international or domestic threat, I'd want Hillary and Cheney. They are very, very smart public servants, whatever you may think about their politics.

Excited? I'll say it up front, I'm scared!

You betcha!

WOW.

Obama is a lot more than "just" a black president. We have not had an intellectual in office for quite some time and right now we really do need someone who is willing to work with OTHER countries, and not just to tell them "that is the way it is" like GW has been.

And why on earth would you say he will not make it his first term? Nice and optimistic i see.

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I'm usually an optimistic person but I'm just saying that I don't have a good feeling. Unfortunately, racism is still a huge problem in this country...I am absolutely not one of them but it's only a matter of time before someone attempts to take a hit at him. I pray to God that he has an amazing line of security to watch his back because I would hate to see something happen to him.

Well I know when he was selected the secret service was practically doubled, for that reason alone.

Re: racism, i never notice it in Miami/Orlando, but when I goto Charlotte/Roanoke/VA to visit family it blows my mind what some people say/do. However, just the fact the we did elect a black president means that more and more people are not seeing color as a defining factor of who someone is, so at least it seems like we are going in the right direction.

However, just the fact the we did elect a black president means that more and more people are not seeing color as a defining factor of who someone is, so at least it seems like we are going in the right direction.


.. and at the end of the day that is a great thing. :)

Obama did a lot better than I expected on the 'racial' front, to be honest, but I sincerely doubt he's under any more danger than any other president. People crazy enough to attempt to take out a president are extremely few, and I could bet my house there're a lot more muslim extremists willing to take out Bush than white supremacists Obama, not to mention the former don't mind to 'sacrifice' themselves for the cause. I wouldn't be worried about that at all. Good day.

Moreso than an assassination attempt, I think alot of people unreasonably high hopes that Obama will get this country out its economic crisis... if he can miraculosly pull that off, than he's got a chance at a 2nd term in office, otherwise he will be a one termer...

I wasn't particulalry excited about him coming into office, especially because I am more conservative than he is, AND his track record just shows he isn't 5th Ammendment friendly...

All the best luck to him though... he was elected our leader, and as our leader, he needs to do well.

^^ good point, his hype is too much.

I know he is dark skinned, but Jesus he is not, and a lot of people and especially minorities I feel have expectations higher than possible.

That said, i still think he is the better fit for the job at this point in time.

Excited? I'll say it up front, I'm scared!

Terrified. I hope he proves me wrong.

Why exactly are all of you scared? Don't ask, don't tell being abolished? Tax cuts for everbody (including big business)? Rick Warren at the swearing in ceremony? Open diplomatic channels with Syria, Iran? It all sounds like common sense to me, and it's all things that McCain would have done as well.

After eight years of republican, free market, faith based leadership that drove us off a cliff, some of you want to continue the legacy? I for one was so thankful McCain was there - a true man of honor who isn't afraid to call it like he sees it (contrary to what the left conjured up during the campaign). There's nothing "scary" to me about the cabinet who has recieved universal praise from the Republicans, the choices Obama has made to reach out to the other side. I mean, truthfully the only "scary" thing I saw on the campaign was this totally uninformed woman called Sarah Palin. Even the conservative intellectual writers were completely blindsided by her ignorance and total lack of grasp on even the most basic fundamental framework issues (NAFTA, Africa). She was great at reading a teleprompter, but there is no way I'd want that woman as the backup to McCain. Totally, utterly, pathetic. This has nothing to do with being sexist - she's an uninformed moron. She's still out there on television whining about the treatment she got. I say, go for it, you're only ruining your chances for your inevietable 2012 bid with every increasing word you utter.

I hope he pays for my rent and my newly car loan.

Dont get me wrong, i love Obama. I think he was the best choice, however, the media is making him into a celebrity rather then as a leader. Notice that?

Dont get me wrong, i love Obama. I think he was the best choice, however, the media is making him into a celebrity rather then as a leader. Notice that?


He is an inexperienced Ass Clown that has put us so far in debt, that we are now owned by the Chinese.

He has been in Politics for 4 years, 2 of which were on the campaign trail.

His VP is a plagerizing moron who doesn't know when to keep his trap shut.


I am not saying the other side was any better, about the same, but more experience.

We need a 3rd legitimate party in the country.

OMG...Are we really still talking about this??? He's been in office for 4 months and the world hasn't come to an end yet. Yeah people hype him because of his race, but when you consider that 50 years ago a black person couldn't even get a seat in a restaurant, It says a lot about the growth of our country. Whether you like him or not I don't see how you couldn't be impressed by what he has accomplished.

OMG...Are we really still talking about this??? He's been in office for 4 months and the world hasn't come to an end yet. Yeah people hype him because of his race, but when you consider that 50 yrs. ago a black person couldn't even get a seat in a restaurant, It says a lot about the growth of our country. Whether you like him or not I don't see how you couldn't be impressed by what he has accomplished.

Race has nothing to do with it, as far as I am concerned.

He has done exactly what he said he wouldn't do in his campaign.

He is a LIAR, and is cheating our children out of their money.

What ever happened to the SPEND LESS.

What ever happened to the "I will go through the bills, line by line, and eliminate Pork Spending"?

Hell, the last big bill wasn't even read and had close to 9,000 earmarks in it. (Pork) This after telling the American people that they would have 48 hours to look it over before it passed.

Race has nothing to do with it, as far as I am concerned.

He has done exactly what he said he wouldn't do in his campaign.


What ever happened to the SPEND LESS.

What ever happened to the "I will go through the bills, line by line, and eliminate Pork Spending"?


Obama is doing his best. So far i thank him for giving funds to stem-cell research where as the dumbass from texas tried to stop it. It will take years before the economic downturn is resolved, we can only judge when lets say 2 years down the road the U.S is still in shit.

Race has nothing to do with it, as far as I am concerned.

He has done exactly what he said he wouldn't do in his campaign.


What ever happened to the SPEND LESS.

What ever happened to the "I will go through the bills, line by line, and eliminate Pork Spending"?

I'm not concerned about race in regard to his job either, but I mentioned that because people keep bringing it up. It's true that he hasn't followed through on everything that he promised, but what politician ever does? He got handed a shit sandwich when he took office so it's going to take time to rectify things. If MCcain had got in, things would not have changed immediately either. One doesn't gain or lose weight over night.

I'm not concerned about race in regard to his job either, but I mentioned that because people keep bringing it up. It's true that he hasn't followed through on everything that he promised, but what politician ever does? He got handed a shit sandwich when he took office so it's gonna take time to rectify things.

Never has a president SPENT this kind of money, that we didn't have!

The sad part, is our children and their children will bare the brunt of all this debt.

The Govt has NO BUSINESS bailing out PRIVATE SECTOR businesses. Hell, they can't even run DC, let alone GM or Chrysler, Banks, Insurance Companies........

it never ends. :thumbsdow

Never has a president SPENT this kind of money, that we didn't have!

The sad part, is our children and their children will bare the brunt of all this debt.

The Govt has NO BUSINESS bailing out PRIVATE SECTOR businesses. Hell, they can't even run DC, let alone GM or Chrysler, Banks, Insurance Companies........

it never ends. :thumbsdow

This is true and it worries me too, but Bush started the private sector bail out before Obama did.

He is an inexperienced Ass Clown that has put us so far in debt, that we are now owned by the Chinese.

He has been in Politics for 4 years, 2 of which were on the campaign trail.

His VP is a plagerizing moron who doesn't know when to keep his trap shut.


I am not saying the other side was any better, about the same, but more experience.

We need a 3rd legitimate party in the country.
AMEN! :notworthy I totally agree. I'm tired of being lied to.. this spending he is doing is getting RIDICULOUS!

This is true and it worries me too, but Bush started the private sector bail out before Obama did.

I am not disputing that.

The question was about Obama, but as usual, they are still throwing blame on "W" when Obammer needs to start taking responsibility for HIS OWN ACTIONS, or lack thereof. This TRILLION + spending is on OBAMA's watch.

Bush started the ball rolling by claiming the sky was going to fall if he didn't get the 700 billion.

Obama has increased the speed of the ball and the end of the spending is now, no where in sight.

I am not disputing that.

The question was about Obama, but as usual, they are still throwing blame on "W" when Obammer needs to start taking responsibility for HIS OWN ACTIONS, or lack thereof. This TRILLION + spending is on OBAMA's watch.

Bush started the ball rolling by claiming the sky was going to fall if he didn't get the 700 billion.

Obama has increased the speed of the ball and the end of the spending is now, no where in sight.

Oh well, I guess we're all going to hell in a hand basket.:paranoid: See you there!

Oh well, I guess we're all going to hell in a hand basket.:paranoid: See you there!

I'll save you a seat! :thmsup: