A couple more hours and this idiot is gone!

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I wished the people of SF had voted that sewage plant after him but to no avail the voting was no even close. We only have ourselves to blame, this moron was voted to lead us not once but TWICE. The dude was always 5 steps behind everything.

He is on his way out.

Hope you enjoy the UK in the USA.

and another idiot incoming..........yeah. :(

Its more like goodluck obama. Because he is deffinatly going to need plenty of it!

and another idiot incoming..........yeah. :(My sentiments, exactly.

Everyone says Obama is the Messiah. I hope he can deliver, but I won't hold my breath.

i will withhold my opinion of my next boss for the time being....

that being said, since this is a political thread, a friendly reminder.... no flaming / personal attacks....

:wave:

Yay!! im getting my rent/car loan paid by the government!!

A couple more hours and this idiot is gone!

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Thank GOD for this day has finally come. Dubya is OUT!!!

and another idiot incoming..........yeah. :(

Here come the freeloaders trying to take more of my money and ruin my job....

Its funny how everyone thinks this guy will make miracles, a guy the other day was telling me how he got mad when he went to do his taxes and found out that there was no stimulous check this year. His exact words to me were " how is there no check this year? I voted for obama to get my extra check"

Its scary, if this guy makes a decision that isn't right everyones head is so far up his @ss they'll all agree with him, just because its "obama the great"

Wait wait wait, Im not getting my rent paid?? WTFF@!!!!!!!!!

Steven, can i live in your house cuz i dont think i can afford for housing anymore. Please let me know if you have room for a motorcycle, accord, 4runner and possibly a boat.


thanks in advance

i've been awake 30 minutes and can't change the channel w/o watching "inauguration coverage" or some sort of obama commercial! channels have a mini "oath of office" countdown lol. i'll have to take the day off from viewing any tv or scouring the web for news bc it seems it will almost ALL be about the focal "party event" everyone is treating today as. all of those people freezing in DC this morning remind me of new years revelers; sure its a historic day as i guess every new year is too but c'mon get a grip! i guess to each his own. at least cnbc is discussing the markets about 70% of the time; i guess that's bearable.
and finally, what is it with this "get lost" commentary from many, as if GWB is being impeached or physically tossed out of the WH by an angry mob? his term is over and a new person will be sworn in shortly so relax lol. alright rant over. later all.

Steven, can i live in your house cuz i dont think i can afford for housing anymore. Please let me know if you have room for a motorcycle, accord, 4runner and possibly a boat.


thanks in advance

I don't think you want to move to NM. Remember, this state is run by the local moron Bill Richardson......

He'd probably take your vehicles as a tax to pay his legal fees for being a crook. :thumbsdow

i just want to live for free without any rent

remember people, this is by no way a "OMG OBAMA THE NEW LORD AND SAVIOR"...type of thread...just a disapproval of George Bush

I'm not super political and I have voted as an Independent for the last 5 elections, but...

C-YA Dubya! :banana:

and another idiot incoming..........yeah. :(

between the 2 main candidates, i'd say this one is the lesser idiot.

remember people, this is by no way a "OMG OBAMA THE NEW LORD AND SAVIOR"...type of thread...just a disapproval of George Bush

Nevertheless, the hostiles will find some way to make this an "anti Obama thread". They can't help themselves.

between the 2 main candidates, i'd say this one is the lesser idiot.

i wouldn't just a better talker........all mouthpiece.

i do hope for the best, but doubt he's gonna do much other then talk. oh and raise taxes for people who actually earn a living vs freeload.

Not every lib has BDS (Bush Derangement Syndrome), and not every conservative has Obamaphobia. In terms of preserving individual liberties and freedoms while reigning in the size and greed of government, neither party has distinguished itself. I found this article by Christopher Hitchens as cause for some optimism:

http://slate.msn.com/id/2209133/

Ideological blindness may be less widespread than originally thought.

i wouldn't just a better talker........all mouthpiece.

i do hope for the best, but doubt he's gonna do much other then talk. oh and raise taxes for people who actually earn a living vs freeload.

raise taxes and fix the economy or let the economy fall so that your money that you earn is worth nothing and then you lose your job. hmm thats a hard one.

Yay!! im getting my rent/car loan paid by the government!!

Oh will you please spare me - this is all you ramble about, with no basis for anything, in every single thread talking about/ related to Obama/the presidency/the country. You spewed ths same crap three times already in this thread, presumably looking for a reply - well now you got one. Do you even pay rent now? Becuase by the way you post I'd question if you're older than 15 years old. Is this all becuase sarah palin said socialism at a few rallies? My god, must be true then :paranoid:

Keep talking nonsense, it just makes you and the others look like bitter, bitter people. Get over it. Obama is your president for the next four years, and nobody is going to pay for the loan on your cheap Honda but you or your bank. Stop paying for a few months and see if Obama will pay for it. Can't wait to see the look on your smug face then.

Refram is correct, Ideological blindness seems to be rampant.

Oh will you please spare me - this is all you ramble about, with no basis for anything, in every single thread talking about/ related to Obama/the presidency/the country. You spewed ths same crap three times already in this thread, presumably looking for a reply - well now you got one. Do you even pay rent now? Becuase by the way you post I'd question if you're older than 15 years old. Is this all becuase sarah palin said socialism at a few rallies? My god, must be true then :paranoid:

Keep talking nonsense, it just makes you and the others look like bitter, bitter people. Get over it. Obama is your president for the next four years, and nobody is going to pay for the loan on your cheap Honda but you or your bank. Stop paying for a few months and see if Obama will pay for it. Can't wait to see the look on your smug face then.

Refram is correct, Ideological blindness seems to be rampant.

Couldn't have said it better myself. By the way guys, Barry is now officially our president so shut up and like it.

so shut up and like it.

Never stopped the anti-bush people did it?

I always thought of George W Bush has my President, even when I took extreme opposition to his policies and actions - He was still the President of the United States, which requires a certain respect on some level.

On the other hand, all of the conservatives were arguing that George W was everyone's president, yet the tables completely change when it's the other party in charge. Once again another example of Ideological blindness - The republicans want it both ways.

Can't speak for others, but I gave Bush a chance and he screwed up.

Obama has only been President for 1 hour and hasn't done a single thing, yet you people are already bashing him.

Oh will you please spare me - this is all you ramble about, with no basis for anything, in every single thread talking about/ related to Obama/the presidency/the country. You spewed ths same crap three times already in this thread, presumably looking for a reply - well now you got one. Do you even pay rent now? Becuase by the way you post I'd question if you're older than 15 years old. Is this all becuase sarah palin said socialism at a few rallies? My god, must be true then :paranoid:

Keep talking nonsense, it just makes you and the others look like bitter, bitter people. Get over it. Obama is your president for the next four years, and nobody is going to pay for the loan on your cheap Honda but you or your bank. Stop paying for a few months and see if Obama will pay for it. Can't wait to see the look on your smug face then.

Refram is correct, Ideological blindness seems to be rampant.



:lmao:


Im actually 16, get it right ok?

Never stopped the anti-bush people did it?

You spoke for many of us steve,

And you guys think we cant close our mouths now?

You supporters better pray to god.. oh wait i mean obama (after all thats who many of his supporters make him look like) that he doesnt even blow his nose the wrong way because many of us will not stay quiet about it.

Can't speak for others, but I gave Bush a chance and he screwed up.

Obama has only been President for 1 hour and hasn't done a single thing, yet you people are already bashing him.

This is EXACTLY my point.

Never stopped the anti-bush people did it?

No it didn't, but Bush dug his own hole with his ditractors. You guys are slammin' Obama before he even has had a chance to prove himself.

his track record or lack thereoff speaks loads........

how;s your gov. holding up........lol

You guys are slammin' Obama before he even has had a chance to prove himself.

Lets put it this way.

A company is struggling and needs to find a new head of administration, two men come in for interviews one doesnt have much of a resume but is a good talker, the other has letters of recommendation, and a long strong resume.

Who do you give the job to? The man that has a good strong background or 'hope' that the other will do a good job?

The one who's resume is not TOO long and will be around for 4-8 years with no question.

I don't think Bush is the cause of all the worlds problems; Nor Obama the solution...

Please allow me ask you this...
1) Who will have a job, if our government, etc, encourages, sending all our jobs, off shore? Where will I get the money to pay my rent, eat food (preferably not made (or precessed) in China, or for that mater, buy a new car - where will my money come from???
2) We should limit the ownership of our US companies, to US owners (not allowing foreign ownership).
3) We need better laws for Banking and the stock market, as what we have now, is not so good, apparently...

Lets put it this way.

A company is struggling and needs to find a new head of administration, two men come in for interviews one doesnt have much of a resume but is a good talker, the other has letters of recommendation, and a long strong resume.

Who do you give the job to? The man that has a good strong background or 'hope' that the other will do a good job?

:thmsup:
Silly question... of course you give it to the good "talker" (or prompter reader, as the case may be), because He makes a tingle run up your leg. :puke:

Only in America, where Character, Integrity, Service to Country, Valor, and Undying Patriotism will NOT get you elected President of the United States.

Good Luck, Ameri KKK of A*! :nuts:


* a loving reference to Rev. JWright!:)

The one who's resume is not TOO long and will be around for 4-8 years with no question.

And how about if in his resume it shows the last place he worked for had highest crime rate? Higher than NY and LA..

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/24/chicago-murder-rate-tops_n_137488.html

http://chicagoist.com/2008/08/07/chicagos_murder_rate_up.php

Thats not something to be proud of or to look good in your history.

Mind you that was only when he had to take care of a state, now a country? pfft.

Good Luck, Ameri KKK of A*! :nuts:




U.S.S.A

United Socialist States of America :yes:

Lets put it this way.

A company is struggling and needs to find a new head of administration, two men come in for interviews one doesnt have much of a resume but is a good talker, the other has letters of recommendation, and a long strong resume.

Who do you give the job to? The man that has a good strong background or 'hope' that the other will do a good job?

Yeah ok. And when the guy with the long resume dies and his clueless vice president takes over, I suppose we'll be better off?

Umm, did you see anything wrong with Reagans age and the way he ran the country?

And again is this all about age? Lets not forget the old saying "Wisdom comes with age" :thmsup:

:thmsup:
Silly question... of course you give it to the good "talker" (or prompter reader, as the case may be), because He makes a tingle run up your leg. :puke:

Only in America, where Character, Integrity, Service to Country, Valor, and Undying Patriotism will NOT get you elected President of the United States.

Good Luck, Ameri KKK of A*! :nuts:


* a loving reference to Rev. JWright!:)

We just had the so-called "right man" for President for the past eight years and look how that turned out.

And how about if in his resume it shows the last place he worked for had highest crime rate? Higher than NY and LA..

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/24/chicago-murder-rate-tops_n_137488.html

http://chicagoist.com/2008/08/07/chicagos_murder_rate_up.php

Thats not something to be proud of or to look good in your history.

Mind you that was only when he had to take care of a state, now a country? pfft.

So surprised that a huge and poor city has high crime.

And Bush did such a great job with Texas:dunno:

"Wisdom comes with age" :thmsup:

So does death.

So surprised that a huge and poor city has high crime.

Ok, your right.. forgot we had a small country. :)

So does death.

lol, ignorant arent we?

Obama is our president. Obviously more people felt he could do the job than not, so what's the problem? He won fair and square so quit crying.

lol, ignorant arent we?

Just following your lead my friend. :)

Umm, did you see anything wrong with Reagans age and the way he ran the country?

And again is this all about age? Lets not forget the old saying "Wisdom comes with age" :thmsup:

Wisdom, but also stubbornness, and health problems buddy.

and regarding your violence comment,Obama helped create legislation to control conventional weapons, why do you think all the NRA nuts (my dad included) were freaking out, b/c he was trying to reduce the amount of firearms people could have b/c of the crime. Did the previous Senator do that?

You can never make everyone happy, obviously.

Never stopped the anti-bush people did it?

You took the words right out of my mouth.

Hypocrisy everywhere you turn!

He won fair and square so quit crying.

More than could be said for your boy. :thumbsup:

oh no im not crying.. im just sitting back waiting to grin, point the finger and say the words i long to say.. "i told ya so!"

This election is a prime example that proves that Plato was right in his "Repblic" in that people will vote for their own liberties over the liberties of the whole.

Just great....repeating history. We have the navigation charts in front of us yet the American public still wants to fly by the seat of their pants.

For any of you interested, Plato's Republic is a good read.

Did younz guys (a little 'Burghspeak in honor of my beloved Stillers) know that Babe Ruth is considered by many to be the greatest baseball player of all time? I don't know why, when you look at the following facts:

He failed to reach base six of every ten times he came to the plate.

He struck out frequently.

There was no guarantee that if he went to the plate, one or more runners would score.

These are indisputable, but they are not the complete set of facts on The Bambino. Perspective is what allows one to weigh the facts to arrive at a point of view. Healthy perspective welcomes all facts and incorporates them, even if only slightly, into one's POV. When one arbitrarily excludes or denies facts, you get ideologues. Bush Derangement Syndrome, Obamamania, Barackophobia - various nuts from the same toxic tree.

I'm been accused of being so conservative that Rush looks like an anarchist by comparison, but even I acknowledge that no point of view has all of the answers sewn up. There are always a number of loose threads sticking out.

Wisdom, but also stubbornness, and health problems buddy.

and regarding your violence comment,Obama helped create legislation to control conventional weapons, why do you think all the NRA nuts (my dad included) were freaking out, b/c he was trying to reduce the amount of firearms people could have b/c of the crime. Did the previous Senator do that?

You can never make everyone happy, obviously.

yeah lets take away guns from law abiding citizens cuz god knows, criminals don't have guns.....

Rev. Lawry’s Benediction

what did that dude say

yellow to mellow
and white better do right.........:lmao:

racist much?

Benediction at Obama 's inauguration, Rev. Joseph Lowery:

'Lord, in the memory of all the saints who from their labors rest, and in the joy of a new beginning, we ask you to help us work for that day when black will not be asked to get in back, when brown can stick around... when the red man can get ahead, man; and when white will embrace what is right. That all those who do justice and love mercy say Amen. Say Amen'...
its not like its not true.

whatever, no mention of yellow man w/ all the greenbacks.........lol

if a white guy said that, he'd be racist.......

plus that didn't come out of obama's mouth. came from Rev. Joseph Lowery's Benediction.

he sure can pick ministers...........lol

hung out w/ his "mentor" for 20yrs but didn' really listen to him.......what a crock.

everybody has idiot friends. im sure obama wasnt a church boy going after school everyday to hang out with the minister.

Wisdom, but also stubbornness, and health problems buddy.

and regarding your violence comment,Obama helped create legislation to control conventional weapons, why do you think all the NRA nuts (my dad included) were freaking out, b/c he was trying to reduce the amount of firearms people could have b/c of the crime. Did the previous Senator do that?

You can never make everyone happy, obviously.

And this is why crime is so high in IL. Taking weapons away from law abiding citizens is not going to stop crime, it increases it. IL and WI are the only two states where you can't get a concealed handgun license in any capacity.



I am all for background checks to get a weapon, but you can't argue that the castle doctrine in many states hasn't reduced crime. It is working and just think about how much money we save by taking care of these criminals.

I am not for baning handguns like mine b/c I have a capacity of 17 rounds. Reducing my capacity doesn't reduce my ability to kill. I'll just buy more magazines. States like California (which is a "may issue" state) have no idea how to control crime.

everybody has idiot friends. im sure obama wasnt a church boy going after school everyday to hang out with the minister.

yes we do, and my 20+ yr friends know how i think and act and talk........but Obama doesn't know his preacher buddy............PULEASE.

Taking weapons away from law abiding citizens is not going to stop crime, it increases it.

Switzerland has one of the lowest crime rates in the world and gun ownership is mandatory. . . .

And how about if in his resume it shows the last place he worked for had highest crime rate? Higher than NY and LA..

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/24/chicago-murder-rate-tops_n_137488.html

http://chicagoist.com/2008/08/07/chicagos_murder_rate_up.php

Thats not something to be proud of or to look good in your history.

Mind you that was only when he had to take care of a state, now a country? pfft.


lol, ignorant arent we?

Obama is now directly culpable for the violence in his home state (damn all of the legislation he was involved in to get guns off the street).

you're sounding desperate now.

if bush is to blame for all the countries problems, makes sense obama;s to blame for his state, no?

And this is why crime is so high in IL. Taking weapons away from law abiding citizens is not going to stop crime, it increases it. IL and WI are the only two states where you can't get a concealed handgun license in any capacity.


What law abiding citizen had their guns taken away?

if bush is to blame for all the countries problems, makes sense obama;s to blame for his state, no?

Not when there is no direct correlation? There's no merit to that argument at all.

What law abiding citizen had their guns taken away?

If you ban the AR-15, you effectively take it away from people who own them. Yes they have them, but they can't bring them to the gun range. That is effectively taking them away.

Just like adding extra taxes to ammo to discourage use.

There are a lot of law abiding gun owners out there. Not following the law when it comes to guns is a quick way to lose the right forever.

I am a law abiding gun owner and hunter (somewhat).

But I personally, do not know why anyone not killing people needs an AR-15. I am not knocking you, my Dad and Uncle are gun NUTS and I have been shooting since i was 10.

But i thought the idea is "one and done" not 45 and goo.

I don't own an AR-15 either, but there should not be anything stopping me from doing so. Banning them b/c they might be excessive isn't a good ground to stand on. I mean...many may think my truck is excessive, or the 40 ft RV is excessive. Doesn't mean they should be banned as well.

In a self defense role, I'm going to be using more than 1.

I only own two guns. I really don't need anymore at this point.

I am a law abiding gun owner and hunter (somewhat). But I personally, do not know why anyone not killing people needs an AR-15.
I'm on you boat buddy.

Steven, I live in El Paso, border with Juarez, Mexico, the city with the highest crime in Mexico: over 1,600 people executed in 2008. Guess where all the AK47s the criminals use are crossing from?

We're banned from many things; we live by the rule of law. As Nolo said, you're not going to hunt with an AK47, so why not ban them? I'm a conservative, but I believe in middle ground. I want my guns, but what's the problem banning assault weapons? I'm against abortion, but what's the problem banning the barbaric 'partial-birth' abortion? I'm a capitalist, but what's wrong with a little regulation? Everything is at the extremes with the stupid 2-party system; that's why nothing gets done. It's time to compromise people. Great discussion gang. Take care.

I understand the Juarez, MX thing. I live just 100 miles straight north of ya and all US Air Force people are banned from that part of Juarez.

I understand (and agree with the abortion part), but I still find it hard to believe that those weapons are legally purchased weapons. Many of them are black market sold and never were legal in the first place. The crack down needs to be on the black market, not on the person who wants to own one for the fun of shooting.

It needs to be understood that many buy these guns, not for self defense, but just because they enjoy going out to the range and shooting. I'm a member of a gun forum (mainly just read) and most of those guys have these types of gun just for fun. The guns that are purchased for self defense (handguns / shotguns) are the ones that will do the killing when it came to home self defense.

Ok, lets look at this straightforward. No I did not vote for him because I did not like his platform. But he is the President and Commander In Chief. I hope he does well because if he does we all do. I pray nothing happens to him because I think the country will knee jerk no matter who does it. I think we are all better than that. However, I wish that we could have a President get sworn-in, give his speech and thats that. No parades or balls, I think that a lot of folks go to bed hungry and cold and the $45 million plus could be better spent. Especially when a lot of it is coming from the bailout monies. No I am not a socialist, nor a communist, just someone who believes an elected official is a government employee and not a superstar, royalty or potentate. Those folks in Washington, or at the State or local level work for you and me. I wish to hell they would remember that.

BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA! :dude:

BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA! :dude:

oh wait no you put the wrong smilie.. i think you ment this one :notworthy

:thmsup: lol

Sorry I disagree. I feel that when the truth finally comes out George W Bush will receive praise rather than grief for what he has done. If you bother to investigate (instead of running your mouth) the HUNDREDS of US terrorist attempts defeated on his watch will make you eat your words. All of this information is availble IF you care to do research. Young teeny bopper college students have no clue as to how things work and only parrot those around them. Why? They just don't know any better and are too lazy to actually do the work required to investigate and form their own opinion........they would rather repeat what they have heard instead of LEARNING, a lost art these days. Quite a shame in my opinion. I prefer to investigate, dig deep, and then form my opinion, another lost art when it's easier to be a chicken and cackle with the rest of the flock. Truly a crying shame.

And this is why crime is so high in IL. Taking weapons away from law abiding citizens is not going to stop crime, it increases it. IL and WI are the only two states where you can't get a concealed handgun license in any capacity.


I don't have a solid stance on either side of the gun control debate, but
do you have any evidence connecting the high crime in IL to gun control? I'm not saying that people shouldn't be allowed to own guns, but I find it really hard to believe that very many crimes are prevented by law abiding gun owners in comparison to the number committed by gun owners who aren't on the side of the law.

Rather than comparing IL to other states, why not compare violent crime statistics of the US to those of Canada, where gun control is much more stringent?

Correlation does not necessarily imply causation, in either comparison.

Or as I said before, compare it to Switzerland, where gun ownership and training are mandatory and crime rates are extraordinarily low..

I know corolation doesn't mean causation...it is the first thing they teach in Psy...but the same can't be said for gun control. Almost all areas of this country where gun control is high (NYC, LA, IL, etc) you have extreme crime.

Look at TX or many other states who know have the castle doctrine. Crime is decreasing. Look at Britain....and how high crime is there. You can't argue that the criminal will think twice about doing harm when there is the possibility they may get their head blown off.

I'm a member of a gun forum (mainly just read) and most of those guys have these types of gun just for fun.
First of all, let me define an 'assault' weapon as a FULLY-automatic one, or one that can be easily converted.
Now, as a gun owner, law-abiding citizen, and CCW permit holder, I understand your point, but to function as a society, we need to compromise. Since we don't NEED an AK47 to either hunt or defend ourselves, it's an acceptable compromise IMO. Both sides of the argument have valid points, just like every other controversial issue.

Without compromise, NOTHING works, including marriage, congress, etc. Compromise requires tolerance, selflessness, etc. We need A LOT more of that as a nation, and as individuals to improve families, society, and the world. Everything is about 'me, me, me' in this country, hence the staggering divorce rate, neglected children, corruption... Until you think about others, then compromise sounds more like a solution than a defeat. That was my real point, I guess :D. Take care.

First of all, let me define an 'assault' weapon as a FULLY-automatic one, or one that can be easily converted.
Now, as a gun owner, law-abiding citizen, and CCW permit holder, I understand your point, but to function as a society, we need to compromise. Since we don't NEED an AK47 to either hunt or defend ourselves, it's an acceptable compromise IMO. Both sides of the argument have valid points, just like every other controversial issue.

Without compromise, NOTHING works, including marriage, congress, etc. Compromise requires tolerance, selflessness, etc. We need A LOT more of that as a nation, and as individuals to improve families, society, and the world. Everything is about 'me, me, me' in this country, hence the staggering divorce rate, neglected children, corruption... Until you think about others, then compromise sounds more like a solution than a defeat. That was my real point, I guess :D. Take care.




watch that youtube link i posted :) explains a lot about misconceptions about assault riffles

Sorry I disagree. I feel that when the truth finally comes out George W Bush will receive praise rather than grief for what he has done.

i wasnt praising obama.. im not pro obama, i was being sarcastic and posted that because his supporters praise him to the fullest all the need to do is get on their knees and bow like the smilie

I wasn't aiming my comments at you or anyone in particular.

No parades or balls, I think that a lot of folks go to bed hungry and cold and the $45 million plus could be better spent.


I agree but it was a lot more than $45 million....try $150 Million!!

Remember Change is coming......That is change in you pockets and the dollars for the banks....Yup "Change" is coming.....

I agree but it was a lot more than $45 million....try $150 Million!!


The money spent on parties was more like 50 million. The press has everyone only hearing 150 million(total cost w/security). Lets compare apples to apples.

But Weiner did not send B.O. a letter like he did W:dunno:.......
http://weiner.house.gov/news_display.aspx?id=404


I1:wave:

I love the interviews with the rich and infamous dressed in their finery, enjoying the champagne and finger sandwiches (yea right) telling me how "we" as a country should not mind the tax increase to help out the less fortunate. Bet they are already checking with their CPAs to see what can be deducted. I always love how easy it is to be liberal when you have the $$$. What really amazes me, and it should not, is how these uneducated and ignorant SOBs get people to think that they have any idea of what they are talking about. Then again, it is usually the uneducated, ignorant masses that are listening. No matter what, a politician is a politician, indifferent to Party affiliation, national origin, race or creed. Their main goal is to stay at the feeding trough by getting reelected.

To be fair, a lot of the blame but on Bush for the current economic trouble is not his fault directly. Unethical business practices and unethical CEO'S are just as much to blame if not more so. I am left of center (duh) but sometimes the blind rage towards Bush can bother me as much as the ignorance towards Obama.

P.S. This came about in a work convo, and thought it applied, not a reply to a previous post.

When I run across the bashers I just ask " You are worse off now then you were 8 years ago? " That usually makes them think and say well no "BUT".
End of conversation........ people are soooo smart:biggrin:

I1:wave:

To be fair, a lot of the blame but on Bush for the current economic trouble is not his fault directly.
I'm an independent conservative, but it was his fault buddy. And I mean he, his administration, and his party. Deregulation is what permitted those unethical business practices you mentioned. What mostly caused this mess was the 'credit default swaps', which permitted lenders and financial institutions to lend their money many times over, rather than once (basically insurance against mortgage defaults). Thanks to the deregulation supported by Bush, these documents were not regulated, and were sold under the radar, to the tune of over 5 TRILLION dollars, and nobody knew where they were, who sold them, who bought them, etc. That made the housing bubble MUCH bigger than it had to be, basically creating a snowball effect.

I'm a capitalist, but you need some regulation, especially with a global economy. Bush (and his administration) failed to foresee the changing global landscape. He didn't do it on purpose, but he wasn't too brilliant, plus he surrounded himself with 'yes men', rather than the right people for the job. His ineptitude gave full control of government to the democrats; hang on to your wallets now. I wish there was a 3rd party in the middle; it's always the extremes with both stupid parties. Take care.

I believe this start all began in the 90s with forcing lending institutions to lend to those who are not qualified to have a home loan. Yeah....Bush may have missed some opportunity, but the inflated home values were around WAYYYYY before he came into office in 2001.

In many ways, this "recession" is exactly what this country needed to fix inflated home values before they got even worse. This is also the perfect time for the U.S. to drill for oil. Do it while it is cheap. Force the oil producing countries to realize they are not the only game in town. We want those countries on their knees and now is the opportunity to do it.

As well...this is gonna force people to realize that you cannot always live up to the Jones'. Being in credit card debt to look like your neighbor is stupid. Getting a 300k home when you make 45k a year is not smart. Buying 2 35k SUVs when combined income is 45k is also dumb. Not saving for college for your kids is dumb. Having 10 kids that you can't support is dumb. Maybe this country and its people will realize that they need to live in moderation.

Will they learn? Probably not with all of their hands out. I was not put on this earth to be my neighbor's keeper...and I don't understand why people think I should.

I believe this start all began in the 90s with forcing lending institutions to lend to those who are not qualified to have a home loan. Yeah....Bush may have missed some opportunity, but the inflated home values were around WAYYYYY before he came into office in 2001.

In many ways, this "recession" is exactly what this country needed to fix inflated home values before they got even worse. This is also the perfect time for the U.S. to drill for oil. Do it while it is cheap. Force the oil producing countries to realize they are not the only game in town. We want those countries on their knees and now is the opportunity to do it.

Ding ding you get the prize........the history.http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/wallstreet/weill/demise.html

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once again steven you spoke for many of us!

This is also the perfect time for the U.S. to drill for oil. Do it while it is cheap. Force the oil producing countries to realize they are not the only game in town. We want those countries on their knees and now is the opportunity to do it.Normally/usually I avoid political-threads like the plague, but I had to chime in...

High oil-prices are what facilitate further exploration/drilling domestically, especially in non-lucrative areas assumed to be commercially exhausted. Not sure if you've heard, but since oil prices have dropped over the past 6 months or so, thousands of oil-drilling/exploration jobs have been lost in Midland/Odessa areas of Texas (Permian Basin), as well as elsewhere. That means no new surveying, no new land-grants for mineral-rights, no new capital equipment purchases, no new exploration, no new nothin'. . .

Oil-drilling is a rather complex matter, it's not as simple as the trivialized drill-baby-drill sound-byte. In a paradoxical way, the U.S. is more likely to become self-sufficient/self-reliant in terms of energy when oil-prices are ridiculously high, because the domestic "difficult-to-yield" wells become profitable again, the tar/shale pits & their complex extraction process becomes viable when crude is exorbitantly high, new offshore exploration becomes tenable at the prospect of forecasted triple-digit barrel prices, etc'. . .

Smarter energy consumption/allocation using fossil-fuels, advanced grids, alternative fuels, nuclear, renewable resources (wind/tide/sun), and new energy staples (hydrogen, bio/zoonotic-remediation/culturing) will keep America going into the next century, not just oil/gas/coal. . .

If I was a bettin' man, I'd back the IBM's, Microsoft's, Apple's, Dell's, Google's, etc' of the energy-tech' sector: whomever they may be, wherever they may are, whenever they may come into their 'own. That's where the future lies. . .

I understand oil prices and the fact that these companies are pulling back.....

But instead of giving a stupid "stimulus" to the public who will piss it away...why not take that government money and drill on our own. Call it infrastructure improvement. Create the shale oil infrastructure. Get it all in place while we also explore alternative ways to power our world. Our country has some the largest reseves of coal. Lets not let the rest of the world tell us not to use it.

We have the chance to bury these other countries and sit back on top as the worlds' most powerful superpower with just a few chess moves. Why not take advantage. Let's not fool ourselves....diplomacy only works when others 'want' while we 'have.' Change that status quo and we will look just as foolish as the EU at a United Nations meeting....

I do agree....but we need to show the rest of the world that we will not sit idle. We will not listen to piss ant countries who think they have the right to tell the U.S.A. what we should do. Only we have our best interests at heart and the grand scheme of things, our needs must come first over anyone elses no mater what the others want / need / cry about.

Money is cheap to make. Oil isn't. Use up the oil of other's w/ your own money. Then when they run out, use your own oil! ;)


BTW, some useless/esoteric knowledge (which I'm rather full of, and then some)...

The lil' event known as WWII exhausted the viable oil-reserves of Texas, Oklahoma, Louisiana, etc'. Next time you goto the 'pump & are p!ssed-off, don't blame the Al'Saud family, Hugo Chavez, or some pirates/kidnappers in Africa... blame Der Fuhrer! :D

Agreed 100%.

Just b/c we drill doesn't mean we have to pump. The beauty of being socialist owned wells is we would have that power. It would show that we "could" pump in a relatively quick manor vs our situation now. I am all for buying it from somewhere else....especially if they were an ally of ours.

I'm all for supporting our allies. The infrastructure is merely a show a muscle that we mean business and don't take crap from anyone (Iran, North Korea, Venezuela, etc).

Money is cheap to make. Oil isn't. Use up the oil of other's w/ your own money. Then when they run out, use your own oil! ;)

I've been saying this for years! Although the US is in the midst of a shrinking economy, once the US can boast a resource that the rest of the world, or many countries need, then we'll be on top of it all...

I understand oil prices and the fact that these companies are pulling back.....

But instead of giving a stupid "stimulus" to the public who will piss it away...why not take that government money and drill on our own. Call it infrastructure improvement. Create the shale oil infrastructure. Get it all in place while we also explore alternative ways to power our world. Our country has some the largest reseves of coal. Lets not let the rest of the world tell us not to use it.

We have the chance to bury these other countries and sit back on top as the worlds' most powerful superpower with just a few chess moves. Why not take advantage. Let's not fool ourselves....diplomacy only works when others 'want' while we 'have.' Change that status quo and we will look just as foolish as the EU at a United Nations meeting....

I do agree....but we need to show the rest of the world that we will not sit idle. We will not listen to piss ant countries who think they have the right to tell the U.S.A. what we should do. Only we have our best interests at heart and the grand scheme of things, our needs must come first over anyone elses no mater what the others want / need / cry about.

I thought the stimulus was going to rebuild infrastructure. which in this country we badly need.