Hey, yes have done the search function, just want a fresh perspective and i have a few questions also. In considering a new summer tire choice I taken into account just about every factor but the amount of grip my accord can actually generate. This is an area I dont have much knowledge in.

Having read other posts explaining that the Accord does not generate as much grip as performance sedans do; making me really reconsider, "overkill" as some have descripted as the pilot sports as being. That being said my accord is pretty modified in the suspension area, and I was wondering if a stiffer suspension will make a tire choice like the pilot sport more benefical. I am beginning to lean toward other performance tires with good rating and a lighter price tag..

Let me add I drive very hard at times..

Hey, yes have done the search function, just want a fresh perspective and i have a few questions also. In considering a new summer tire choice I taken into account just about every factor but the amount of grip my accord can actually generate. This is an area I dont have much knowledge in.

Having read other posts explaining that the Accord does not generate as much grip as performance sedans do; making me really reconsider, "overkill" as some have descripted as the pilot sports as being. That being said my accord is pretty modified in the suspension area, and I was wondering if a stiffer suspension will make a tire choice like the pilot sport more benefical. I am beginning to lean toward other performance tires with good rating and a lighter price tag..

Let me add I drive very hard at times..

When I replace tires and brake pads I always go for something that is "overkill." I want to be limited by the car itself, either the suspension or the whole brake system, rather than by a consumable part. I may not ever push my car to the absolute limit, but I would rather have the safety cushion. I want the tires to have the ability to grip beyond the point where the suspension breaks loose versus have the tires give up before the suspension has reached it's maximum limit.

I want to have the best traction, control, grip limit, and braking ability possible but not because I race or drive like a maniac. I was in an accident about 5 years ago, as a passenger, when the cheap tires broke loose on the car I was in when the driver swerved to avoid a car that pulled out right in front of us from a side street. We hit a wood telephone pole at 50 mph and wrapped the passenger side around the pole. Roof cut off, jaws of life, and months of physical therapy later and I have constant neck, back, and knee pain which has made me give up driving stick and riding my crotch rocket. On my own vehicles, I want to have as much chance of staying in control in emergency situations as possible.

Now I'm not going to go out and put 15" rotors, 12 piston calipers, and tires that cost $500 a piece on my car, but I will put on high performance pads and tires that my car cannot use to their full potential.

Having read other posts explaining that the Accord does not generate as much grip as performance sedans do

I'm dieing to find out where this Thought is generated from?

I would assume that it is based in the fact that the drive layout is Front Wheel, but the fact remains that properly formated/modified FDW cars are MORE than capable of competing and winning on Road Course Racetracks. I would agree the optimum layout is RDW, but believe me... most folks are not operating at anywhere near optimum levels on a road course.

This Fallacy of RWD ruling local tacks is in most cases just that, a fallacy.

I'm dieing to find out where this Thought is generated from?

My best guess would be comparing the Accord to the BMW 335i/M3/M5, Lexus IS-F, Mercedes AMG line, Audi S line, and other cars that cost $20k+ more.

Oh let me post quickly wouldn't want anyone "dieing" on the account of one of my posts. Mshu is short for Michael Shumacher, right? Well Michael thanks for all your input. With all your Grand Prix know how, I'm sure u can provide some outstanding tire advice.

I guess the thought trails from the idea that a suspension engineered for performance will provide for better grip. The Accord is a little more limited in this area, to name a few; single wishbone suspension and family sedan springs, front wheel drive. A performance sedan will make better use with these tires, and Michael in your case a F1 car.

I guess the thought trails from the idea that a suspension engineered for performance will provide for better grip. The Accord is a little more limited in this area, to name a few; single wishbone suspension and family sedan springs, front wheel drive. A performance sedan will make better use with these tires, and Michael in your case a F1 car.

MSchu stands for Michael Schumacher, correct.


Why do you think a 'Wishbone" control arm as not being performance capable?

it's more capable than a McPherson set up IMHO.

I think the bottom line here is in OEM trim, your car may not make the best use out of Ultra high performance grip tires, specially with OEM the suspension system in place . However your car will grip better than another similarly appointed Accord sedan with less capable tires. Only you can decide if its a waste of money or not... for me, it's not

I was thinking more along the lines of a double wishbone (TL, mini cooper) as compared to single.

I am one hundred percent for high performance summer tires, and I am in the process of deciding which set to go with. I have noticed that tirerack describes some tires for sport compacts and some tires for performance luxury sedans. Further, some tires are considered entry level performance tires while other are considered top tier.. As I said earlier I was going to go with pilot sports shell out $190 a tire and be done with it, I have since reconsidered this..

Our 8th gens have both upper and lower A shaped control arms... rear is still obviously multi link.

Like I had said, only you can decide what is acceptable for your car. For a car that is still obviously set up like it came from the factory, you may be wasting considerable money, but that has little to do with the fact that the car is an Accord or not.

Choose your weapon carefully.
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Well I have to say that accord looks pretty mean, is it your Ferrari Red Coupe?

Great looking car. Had a 2001 the same color. Need to resolve the Tire/wheel questions with a simple chart based on the following:
1.) Is the car an auto or a MT?
2.) Has the suspension been modified and how?
3.) What rim size requested 17, 18, 19 or 20?
4.) What driving type or you?
Just a thought.
Yes, Honda screwed up getting away from the 4 wheel double wishbone suspension.

(1.) 5 speed MT
(2.) koni yellows, H&R springs, tls front rear solid, V-6 strut brace,
(3.) 17 06' tsx rims,
(4.) hard, aggresive whatever you want to call it..