Tire recommendations

[Wardsweb]

For a stock Accord, looking for ride comfort and quiet. Looking at my old standard Michelin MXV4, thinking about the Pirelli P4000 and possibly the Bridgestone Potenza. What have been your findings?

[impulse]

Stay away from anything Pirelli, they tend to wear too fast. Remember that if you're looking for ride quality, that you're going to compromise performance.

[hondacuraworld]

For ride and wear, the best choice is the Michelin Symmetry. It's got a very soft sidewall and hard tread surface, which means that it will ride and wear very well. As impulse said, though, it won't be a speed rated tire.

[Wardsweb]

Thanks for the info guys. Yes, I'm looking for stock nice ride and good tire life. If I want performance, I'll get on my Suzuki Hayabusa shod with Metzeler Rennsports. :D

[zwierhiem]

I had Yokohama Avids on my '95 Accord until some idiot sent it to the graveyard and me to the hospital. They were amazing, probably not quite as smooth as the Michelin Symmetry, but the performance was definitely good.

[davemac]

I've had much success purchasing from "the tire rack". Their salespeople are well trained and very knowlegable. Also, their website www.tirerack.com is very helpful with comparing tires.

[yardman43]

I replaced my '98 Accord tires at 53,000 with Bridgestone RE910's. I currently have 37,000 miles on them and have been very satisfied. The are quieter than the original Michelin's and are much better at resisting hydroplaning. The sidewalls are softer so the ride is better but the handling is not as sharp so I increased tire pressure 2-3 psi to compensate. I would buy them again.

[according2me]

I got 81K miles from my MXV4+'s before replacing 2 of them (at the wear bar). The other 2 are still on the car. For better wet traction, handling, and a quieter ride than the OEM Michelins (especially on rough concrete), I replaced the front 2 with Bridgestone Turanza LS-H. The Michelins were noisy on concrete and had poor wet traction from day 1.

In about 10K, I'll replace the other two.

BTW, I've read the Potenza RE950's have even better handling, but at the cost of road noise.

And Tirerack is the place to go for info.

[Inspector1]

Another nice thing about Bridgestone/Firestone ..
30 Day test drive, If your not happy you can get your money back or switch to a different tire..

Happy Shopping:)
I1

[BenjiBoy650]

Michelin X-One, Yokohama AVS dB S2. I have experience with the Michelin X-Radial, the X-One's cousin. It lasts pretty long and is pretty responsive, ride isn't bad and pretty quiet too. Did I mention the X-One has a 80K treadwear warranty? People on the Odyssey forums are telling me the Symmetry sucks, loud and very very fast wearing. The Turanza LS-H is the top rated tire in it's class I think, I might give that a look but I tend to go away from Bridgestone.

[Inspector1]

Yes those are both good tires... But not rated very well for snow
traction....
I know alot of people shy away from B/F due to Ford incident,
it's amazing how quite they have kept the cases against Ford w/Michelin & Dunlop.


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[BenjiBoy650]

Wardsweb lives in Texas, I live in CA. What's snow? :) Actually I would tend to think the X-One/X-Radial would be good for snow because it has a lot of sipes. Don't know, never tried them in severe snow. In severe rain they're okay.

[Inspector1]

Have you ever done comparison on tire rack......
The Conti Extreme Contact is one great looking tire they just didn't have in stock when I was replacing ... maybe next round.

I1

[BenjiBoy650]

You can't always trust comparisons on tire rack. The BFG KDW SSS is a performance tire and it got 9.1 in noise rating. Could be because most of the people who buy these tires probably don't care, or the exhaust has droned out the noise. Same kind of thing with snow. There's always those idiots out there who go "man these tires suck in snow compared to my snow tire, FAIL." I try not to weigh those ratings too heavily. I'm in the market for new tires and I took the ratings into consideration, but I consider them invalid if I find a friend who can tell me otherwise. Has happened for a few tires already. I was considering the Continentals but not anymore, I forgot why. Something like they didn't have my size, too expensive, or I thought they would wear too fast. Wear is another one of those things where idiots commonly screw up :) They have bad alignment and when the tire goes bald after 5,000 miles they go bash it all the way.

[princess]

We had 2 sets of Potenzas & they went 100K on both cars they were on! They rode nice too. We also had Turanzas & were happy with them too. We have leaned toward Bridgstone for a long time now. There's likely better priced, better feel & better wear.....but we found happiness in all 3 areas. A well rounded tire! :joker: (couldn't help myself!!)

[98AccordEX]

I replaced the OEM Bridgestones EL41s at 59000 miles with Bridgestone LS-Hs and the difference has been substantially better for both cornering and wet handling. Cornering grip is up and far more consistent and confidence inspiring. Not sure about snow traction as first storm was a bit too much of a test with 15" of snow.

I too recommend the TireRack although my local shop won the deal by matching their price.

TireRack also recommends the Bridgestone 950 but it is a di7e4
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I replaced the OEM Bridgestones EL41s at 59000 miles with Bridgestone LS-Hs and the difference has been substantially better for both cornering and wet handling. Cornering grip is up and far more consistent and confidence inspiring. Not sure about snow traction as first storm was a bit too much of a test with 15" of snow.

I too recommend the TireRack although my local shop won the deal by matching their price.

TireRack also recommends the Bridgestone 950 but it is a directional tire and I was concerned with tire life due to rotation limitations.

[CatchMe]

Try the new one from Continental. Its called the ContactExtreme. Got excellent reviews at Tirerack.com

[BenjiBoy650]

Originally posted by CatchMe
Try the new one from Continental. Its called the ContactExtreme. Got excellent reviews at Tirerack.com

I'm kind of worried about price and tread wear for that one. Easily, I have no problem buying Kuhmo or Continental or Goodyear or whatever is good, but I want good treadlife. Nothing I've ever seen has matched the compromises that the Michelin X-One makes in terms of handling while providing the same 800 treadwear rating. It's a good tire, and I've tested it in snow, not too shabby. Driving on a snow without chains was still good, but the tires were brand new.

[CatchMe]

The problem with Michelins alway reverts back to price. I cant understand, for what reason they are twice as expensive as any other tires on the market.
Also, the treadwear rating for each manufacturer differs. Continental has a different wear rating than say Michelin, or Goodyear.

[BenjiBoy650]

The Michelins I mentioned are priced reasonably at around the competitors pricing, but it's been known to last over 80, even 100 thousand miles.

[benjamming]

Originally posted by CatchMe
The problem with Michelins alway reverts back to price. I cant understand, for what reason they are twice as expensive as any other tires on the market.
Also, the treadwear rating for each manufacturer differs. Continental has a different wear rating than say Michelin, or Goodyear.

Correct me if I'm wrong (& show proof) but the treadwear rating is a governement standard test. A tire w/ a treadwear of 200 will last twice as lone as a tire w/ treadwear of 100 (the standard). That info comes from the label on the tires.

[CatchMe]

Originally posted by benjamming
Correct me if I'm wrong (& show proof) but the treadwear rating is a governement standard test. A tire w/ a treadwear of 200 will last twice as lone as a tire w/ treadwear of 100 (the standard). That info comes from the label on the tires.
Cant prove it, nor am I a tire expert, but I believe you are mistaken. The Tire Rack can probably give us the answer. If you find out for sure, I would be interested in knowing.

[BenjiBoy650]

Originally posted by CatchMe
Cant prove it, nor am I a tire expert, but I believe you are mistaken. The Tire Rack can probably give us the answer. If you find out for sure, I would be interested in knowing.

I believe he is not mistaken.

[Inspector1]

Yes tread wear ratings work that way if you compare same vehicle

I've seen same brand/model tire on 2.5k lb car vs 5k lb car and yes tires on 5k car don't last as long.

My 98 Volvo V70 AWD had same Michelins that my 02 Accord had replaced tires on Volvo @24k vs. Accord @46k both had 5/32 left

So vehicle makes a big difference and neither had any alignment issues..

My2cents
I1:)

[pghpilot]

Was somewhat surprised that the front OEM Michelin MXV4s on our 04 Accord [4 cyl] EX were down to 7/32s after 6 mths/5,000mi. The back are still at 9/32s. Hadn't planned to rotate them till 10K but now I'll rotate with 1st oil change at 5K.

[Inspector1]

Wow that's really quick wear.. do they show 7/32" all the way across the tread??

I1:)

[pghpilot]

I thought so, too. No irregular wear or driveability problems though.

[bcclements]

Originally posted by pghpilot
Was somewhat surprised that the front OEM Michelin MXV4s on our 04 Accord [4 cyl] EX were down to 7/32s after 6 mths/5,000mi. The back are still at 9/32s. Hadn't planned to rotate them till 10K but now I'll rotate with 1st oil change at 5K.

This is good to know.

What kind of roads do you mostly drive on?

There is no question that my replacement set will Michelin X-One. Best all-weather tire I have every owned. I wish there was an SUV version for my Pilot.

[Greg]

I had Potenza's (RE92's) on my Prelude. They were really quiet and speed rated. They also had excellent grip, and I believe would have gone about 50K miles (sold the lude before tires needed relplacing). The Prelude was also driven alot more spiritedly than the accord. *SIGH* I miss that car.:bawling:

[pghpilot]

Roads are Western PA, pretty hard on tires. Never could get [including safely through winter] more than 25K out of the OEM BFGoodrich on my 1997 CRV. Then again, the much-maligned OEM GY Integrity on the Pilot are still at 6/32 after 29K.

[Inspector1]

Just a point to remember.. OE tires start out with less tread than ones purchased from a tire dealer!!!
You may have only started with 9 or 10/32" on the Accord and probably between 11 or 12/32" on the Pilot..

I1:)

[anysia]

pghpilot-a little bit of an understatement that roads in western pa are pretty rough on tires! lol!!:D they're down right horrible! i hit a nice crater in the road this morning! in the middle of the freaking summer. you'd think they'd ahve paved that over with some hot patch by now. that same series of potholes has been there for months (why i hit one fo them this morning, i have NO idea!)

although never could figure out how my dad has managed to pull nearly 80k out of the michelins he has on his dodge gran caravan driving around here!

i bought an 04 accord coupe last month and it came with bridgestone turanza's and geez, do i HATE those tires!! they're causing the exact same problems that the firestones that were on my 2000 civic did! i actually nearly hit someone leaving the parking lot today because my tires slipped on the wet pavement!
:mad:

i was so much happier with the dunlops that came on my 2003 civic. and so much happier with the bf goodrich's i had the firestones on the first one replaced with. now onto saving up some extra cash to get these gawd awful turanza's off of my car! ;)

[pghpilot]

Experience with the OEM MXV4s in the snow? Should I think about snow tires or not for Western PA winter driving?

[Inspector1]

They were terrible on my 02 in the rain and I replaced before snow so I could not answer the snow. But the consensus on the 6th Gen by numerous people I have read is they are terrible in snow also...
Hopefully some of our 7th gen people will chime in....:beatnik:

I1:)

[stiller fan]

Originally posted by pghpilot
Experience with the OEM MXV4s in the snow? Should I think about snow tires or not for Western PA winter driving?

i rarely drive in the snow w/o snows on the front of my 93....usually if that happens, it's either at the beginning or the end of the season...i run blizzaks in the front...

[princess]

No snow here....I like the OEM's (michellins) in rain just fine, but I liked the bridgestones better.

On dry roads the michellins seem a tad more grippy.

Being softer, maybe when they get too hard from the cold they lose too much of the grip.....:confused:

[according2me]

My Turanza LS-H were great in the wet, much better than the MXV4+s and also were quieter on broken roads and rough concrete. But those Michelins lasted forever.

Snow? What's snow?

[stiller fan]

come up to pittsburgh (or erie for that matter), and i'll be glad to show you all the snow that will make you sick after a week.... :D

[princess]

We've had both Turanzas & Potenzas. We liked both....but neither were on the 6th or 7th gen Accords. We had them on '82s, '86s & '87s.

So far I've been happy with the way this one handles on dry roads, in winds & rain.

We got oooddles of miles on the bridgestones! (over 100k) I've heard they michellins aren't going to last as long. In 8K, they are showing a bit of wear.... but that could be due to a little lead footed squealing....

[torquelover]

Had Bridgestone BT70s, Potenza RE950, and Dunlop A2's. They were all loud, when compared to stock Michelins. I have heard that the Goodyear Assurance ComfortTreads are the hands down winner as far as noise and ride. They will find a place on our '04 Camry soon. They have an absorbing medium of some sort between the belts. Only drawback is price and rolling resistance (lower MPG and acceleration). The Tire Rack has many owner surveys on line. Beware of the sales staff, however. As anyone in sales knows, the higher profit margin/commission item will always be pushed. I have had many dissatisfied tire purchases from them due to this. They seem to push the Dunlop A2's and Bridgestone Turanzas.

-torquelover

[Bodega]

After considerable research, I replaced the Michelins on my new '05 LX V6 (128 mi.) with Bridgestone Potenzas. Turanzas also supposed to be good. The Michelins are a decent tire, but reputedly are geared more toward high mileage than high traction. I can't notice a whit of difference in ride or noise. My only question was mileage, so I was happy to see Princess's Potenza post (Princess obviously being a font of information).

[Bodega]

I (seriously) would never buy tires called ComforTread. Sounds too much like Loveboat Freeway Cruisers, with the Exclusive Prime Northern Goosedown Lining. Sounds like a good match for the Camry, though :).

[princess]

Bodega, did you see that Costco has both Bridgestones & Michelins on sale this month? I've never bought tires there before. Our Bridgestones came from Tire Rack, Sears, Americas Tires & Honda.

Maybe the noise (or lack of it) has something to do with our roads here... they're pretty worn out & crappy..... so people with good roads may be able to hear a slight difference better than we can.... :dunno: I do know we LOVED them! We will put them on as soon as these show enough wear to replace. It looks like possibly next year.....or about 20K. I find it discusting that any tire only lasts that long! I'm looking forward to getting 100K from Potenzas again.

The Bridgestones on the Pilot haven't shown any wear yet.... they have about 30K on them now. :D

(Princess obviously being a font of information)


I just pass on what I have access to..... it's not ME..... I've learned tons of stuff from everyone here! :yes:

[anysia]

100k from potenzas??? the ex got under 40k out of his potenzas on his sentra..... :confused:

the potenzas seemed to have decent traction though, atleast in the sentra. just the treadlife was short lived on western pa's crappy road surfaces. (and he is actually a fairly subdued driver too....)

i'm still not a fan of my turenzas and if i can ever find the $$ to replace them, i will. (anyone want to buy them?? :lmao: ) i will preferably replace them with michelins, which seem to do very well on western pa road surfaces in all kinds of weather (heavy rain, snow, dry etc). not the oem michelins though, seeing as how i've heard many bad things about those particular tires. :lmao: if i can't find the funds for michelins, i may go with bf goodrich, if i can remember exactly what tires i used on my 2000 civic. rougher ride, but huge traction improvement and treadlife should've been great had i not traded the car in so quickly!!!

[princess]

We had more than 100K on more than 1 set..... the one that was the most surprising was on an '82 sedan....that was the car passed on to our youngest kid. A 16 year is rarely kind to tires! We MADE her replace them before she drove it to AZ after using it a year. They still had tread, but they were getting weather cracked. The car had 315K on it at the time.... In one year she had put about 80K on it! KIDS!! :dunno:

I tease all the time about needing a 4WD to go across town here! The roads are really bad... & where they weren't so bad, they decided to do construction.... add drainage or widen or something. In fact, I went around the long way just to go to the grocery store for weeks because of the construction....I didn't want rock chips on my Accord!!! :paranoid:

Just like with a lot of things, with tires there's lots of variables.... the car, the driver, the roads, the style, the weather..... One tire doesn't fit all!

[lilduke99]

If this helps anyone, I had BF Goodrich Traction TA's on my old car. They come in HR and VR Speed ratings. I loved those tires. They were awesome on the crappy roads in downtown Chicago and great in those lovey snowstorms and ices storms driving through Cleveland, Erie and Buffalo. They also kicked butt on tight turns and at high speeds. (Not that I drive above the speed limit ever :naughty: ) I bought them in February of '04 and put 35,000 miles on them by the time I traded my car in in April. They still had all the tread on them as well. They were pretty cheap too. If I recall they were $68 total per tire installed on the focus. They are obviously more for the Accord, but I remember looking and it wasn't tooo much more. I got them and had them installed at the Tire Rack last year. To make it better I got a ton of free promo stuff while I was there too. On that trip too, I ran into some "manufacturer testing" of a Diesel version of the BMW X-5 at a rest stop on I-80. I talked to the two guys for a bit, but they wouldn't give me details about the vehicles. It was obvious though - it said "Diesel fuel only" over the gas door, and it was an X-5 even though it was camoflaged. Either way, depending on how these Michelins fare this winter I'll decide whether I'm going back or staying. So far though, I have to say these Michelins have been great for my use. :yes:

[ken972]

Like everyone im looking for better tires then the oem mxv4 s8's that came on my 04 EX V6 sedan. Any thoughts on how Bridgestone Turanza LS in either H or V speed ratings would be better? Doesnt seem to be any offerings from michelin other then the mxv4 line that are 205/60r/16. I think I have my choice down to either the Turanza's..which everyone seems to like..or the Goodyear Triple or Comfort treads..which I hear conflicting reports about.

Going to a H rated tire would give a slightly softer ride right? I get confused in the handling differences of the H and V.

[tafettawhite]

Smooth/quiet comfortable ride and a great mileage warranty = Goodyear Comfortread. They also come with a 30day no hassel warranty: if you don't like them w/in 30 days, they'll put you into something else or refund the money you paid for them (just make sure you keep the old tires just in case)

I have them on my 05 V6 Sedan and they rock!
I can actually HEAR a conversation now vs the OE Michelins I had on there! :banana:

[andysinnh]

Ya know, I think there must be a difference between the 15" Michelin S8's and the 16" ones. Folks here complain about the noise, tire wear and handling, mostly with the 16". I've got the 15" from the LX (and I just moved them over to some Honda alloys), and I can't be happier. They're quiet as a mouse on most all roads, are wearing great after 6k miles, and cut thru the rain very well.

I've run Michelins a lot over the years - and some are noisy, but these 15" S8's are not. I had a set of Hydroedge's on my Aztek and they were LOUD (but were the best rain tire I ever had), and I actually preferred the Eagle RS-A's that came as stock (17").

Anyway, while the tread is the same design, there must be something different between the sizes of the Oem's on the Accords...

andy

[ken972]

You might be on to something Andy. It does seem to be mostly V6 folks with complaints about the tires. I know Im one of them.

Taffeta white..im looking for something that would give a little softer ride and is quiter then the oem s8's..yet handles as good or better..would you say thats what you noticed when you got the Comforttreads put on? Im curious what the ride would be with the Triple Treads as well.

[BenjiBoy650]

The feeling I get is ComforTred = great smooth riding tire, very quiet but no grip. TripleTred = better handling (though not a P-Zero by any standard), but noisier and harsher riding.

[IMOL]

I have the stock Bridgestone Turanzas on my coupe and probably won't wait for them to wear out before changing them. They're noisy, grip OK on dry pavement but are a little skittish in the wet.

I will probably take a long look at the Yoko Avids when shopping.

IMOL

[mbisson]

Does anyone know when Costco is having there sale again. They usually have a good price, but the extra $50 or $60 off doesn't hurt.

mike

[ncelk]

I put the Bridgestone Potenza G009s on our V6 (with 17" wheels) and they seem to grip much better than the OEM Michelins.

Road noise is slightly more, but otherwise I am happy with the choice.

[RTexasF]

As far as treadwear numbers go the tire manufacturers assign the numbers not the government:

"Uniform Tire Quality Grading is a federal law that requires tire manufacturers to grade their tires for tread wear, traction and temperature resistance. Tire manufacturers, not the government, test tires and assign their own grades. Unfortunately, the government has not yet prescribed a formula for converting the manufacturers test results into grades; therefore the numbers are not objective. According to the Federal Trade Commission, treader grades are for comparison purposes only and are not intended to be converted into anticipated or promised tire mileage."
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I'll go with Turanza LS-V's when the Michs wear out.

[BenjiBoy650]

I prefer to go by actual reviews and manufacturer treadwear warranties rather than treadwear rating. Different vehicles wear tires differently :dunno:

[RTexasF]

Agreed, which is why I read all reviews at Tire Rack for that particular tire. I also had a "thumbs up" from an acquaintance that deals in tires and wheels.

[CNYGuy]

Can anyone post pics of new tires/ wheels in the last few months. My stock tires are up to 42,000 miles and I'm looking for all season tires for Michigan snow...

[SSMV6]

Can anyone post pics of new tires/ wheels in the last few months. My stock tires are up to 42,000 miles and I'm looking for all season tires for Michigan snow...
tirerack.com is your friend. Go there for the pics of tires/wheels.

[honda761]

4 pages and no mention of Flaken?

[RTexasF]

Flaken?????? Is that something on your shoulder from not using a dandruff shampoo?

Haven't heard of that brand before. :dunno:

[SSMV6]

:lmao: I think he meant Falken... :D

Some of their summer tires are ok... The rest of them are junk.

[honda761]

What? Falken ziex 512 are pretty damm good except for treadwear. I just ordered the ST-115 and they should rock. There are summer tires.