Anyone had pilot sport on pass vehicies or their Accord.

Have not heard great things about the tread life, even for a performance tire..?

tread life and performance are two ideas that can not exist together. when I buy performance tires, the entire idea of tread life does not even come into my mind.

If you need anything that resembles life in your compound, you should consider a different class of tire.

snore....

that being said........ Have read reviews of the pilot sport and people have said, as compared to other performance tires, the pilots sports tread life was shitty, subpar, left alot to be desired, and so and so...

is 20K a good treadlife for a performance tire or an outstanding tread life? Is 10k resembling treadlife?

had pilot exualtos in the past, that was a grand touring tire, I was extremely happy with them..

tread life and performance are two ideas that can not exist together. when I buy performance tires, the entire idea of tread life does not even come into my mind.

If you need anything that resembles life in your compound, you should consider a different class of tire.
Exactly what he stated... If you want good mileage but decent handling, get H-rated. A lot of companies make great H-rated tires. Also most companies don't warranty hi-performance (VR/ZR/WR) tires (exp. 30,000 miles etc). H-rated (130mph) or slower usually does carry one.

Have not heard great things about the tread life, even for a performance tire..?

I know performance tires don’t have great tread life. I know this. I know this, I know this.. I guess I should have been more specific with what I say. As compared to other performance tires, I have read pilot sports do not have a great tread life.

I want great handling, 15k tread life is this attainable? I have had Grand Touring tires with 35k on them in the past, on a 98' lx 2.3 with no suspension mod besides KYB

I have OEM V rated MXV4 on my 2007 Accord and with over 66,000 I still have 5/32nds left and all four are wearing even...

I had the original Pilot Sport AS on a Volvo and managed to get 30K on them with a decent amount of usable tread remaining (that car was totaled.) That's after two SCCA solo events. I'd imagine I would have saw 40K out of them assuming replacement at 4/32 remaining tread. Those were a 400/AA/A UTQG.

The standard summer version (Pilot Sport) is what I'm assuming you're asking about based on the "reviews" you saw. It's a 220/AA/A UTQG. Those won't get much more than 20K to 30K, depending on how they're treated.

I'll most likely put the new version of the Pilot Sport AS on my Accord when the time comes--the Pilot Sport AS+. It's a 500/AA/A UTQG, Y speed rating, and Michelin puts a 45K mile treadlife warranty on them. My other choice was a Michelin Primacy MXV4 (V-rated version, 620/A/A UTQG.) That tire comes in H or V in my size and both have the same treadlife warranty, only difference being cost. If I know I'll be selling it soon after, then I might put the Primacy in the H, Goodyear Eagle GT or Falken 912 on instead. Depends on the promotion being run at the time.

Exactly what he stated... If you want good mileage but decent handling, get H-rated. A lot of companies make great H-rated tires. Also most companies don't warranty hi-performance (VR/ZR/WR) tires (exp. 30,000 miles etc). H-rated (130mph) or slower usually does carry one.

That's not true. Quite a few manufacturers put out V rated or higher tires with 40K, 50K, and even 60K mile warranties now (and have for a few years.) Michelin offers a Y-rated Pilot Sport AS+ (45K) and a V-rated Primacy MXV4 (60K), BFG has the Traction TA in a V (60K), Goodyear has the Eagle ResponseEdge and "new" Eagle GT (both 50K), Yokohama Avid V4 (45K), Falken 912 V-rated (40K). Bridgestone/Firestone has a few: Firehawk GT in a Z (40K), V-rated HP550 at Sears/Potenza G019 elsewhere (50K), Turanza w/Serenity (50K), Turanza LS-V (40K), Turanza LS-Z (40K), and a few others. There's plenty of options out there in V rated or higher tires.

I have OEM V rated MXV4 on my 2007 Accord and with over 66,000 I still have 5/32nds left and all four are wearing even...

Not bad since those V-rated Energy MXV4 tires (when bought aftermarket) only have a 25K mile warranty. A lot of people see well over 50K out of them, as long as they take the proper precautions (inflation, rotation, alignments, etc.)

Speed rating has little to do with tread life... its more a question of construction capabilities

snore....

that being said........ Have read reviews of the pilot sport and people have said, as compared to other performance tires, the pilots sports tread life was shitty, subpar, left alot to be desired, and so and so...

So then, stop asking stupid questions

I am sorry for my stupid questions.. Although I am growing a little tired of explaining myself to you Michael, if you have an issue with my posts please simply don't respond to them. In my opinion, nothing you have said has demonstrated any real unique perspective or knowhow, so I am okay with you not sharing you thoughts.

I would be okay if was able to obtain 20k from the pilot sports, from several reviews I have heard that is not the case. I might have to look elsewhere, but i am a big michelin fan and discounttires.com is offering a 70 dollar rebate if purchased before april 4th.

I had the original Z-rated Pilot Sport A/S on my 2001 Passat. The car was slightly lowered on Eibach Pro-sport springs and Koni yellow shocks.
The tires lasted only about 20K miles before wearing severly on the inside edges.
That was likely more a function of the suspension and camber settings than any fault with the tires themselves.
In those 20K miles, the tires were flawless and, as the new model has longer tread life, I would definitely consider them again.
They were even decent in snow.
The only complaint I ever had was the purchase price of $200.
If you can get a rebate, I would say go for it.

Micheline Pilot Exaltos, best of both worlds. I'll probably get 50-60k out of them and they handle very very well. Kinda noisy, but thats probably because our Accords are just noisy to begin with.

Exaultos are my number 2 choice , but I don't think I want A/S tires..

They were a bit noisy after 30k, from what I recall..

Curious if the Passat had a little more negative camber out of the factory as compared to the Accord..

Curious if the Passat had a little more negative camber out of the factory as compared to the Accord..

I can't answer that because I'm not at all technical.
The Passat came from the factory with 15x7 wheels and Michelin Energy 195/65/HR15 tires. I put on 17x8 wheels with 225/45/ZR17 Pilot Sport A/S and lowered it 1.25" on the Eibach springs.
It may or may not have had negative camber from the start.
:dunno:

have heard Bimmers come out the factory with negative camber dialed in.. at least some do

Just about anytime you lower (or lift) a vehicle with an independent suspension, you mess the alignment up (specifically camber.) It has to do with the way and independent suspension functions--its not straight up and down, its more of an extremely shallow arc. That's almost definitely what ate the edges off those tires on the Passat.

I got 50K out of my Pilot Sport A/S on my Maxima, but I usually drive like an old man. I replaced them about a year ago with Bridgestone Pole Position RE960AS and they have been much quieter than the Pilot Sports. I did like the grip the Pilot Sports had, they never spun on wet pavement, unlike some of the other tires I had. I did not like the OEM Pilot MXV tires that came with the Accord, too much wheel spin, not a good thing when you're trying to make a left turn in front of traffic.

Got my pilot sports on. I am very happy.. Little to no sidewall flex....

I get 2 summers out of Pilot Sport AS on my XJ6 (225/60WR16). This is probably 15K-18K miles. Never had a problem with them and they're one of the few tires that actually work well with the XJ6. Jag specifies approved tires in the owners manual. If using approved tires I'm supposed to set the tire pressure to 26-32 psi depending on whether I want a softer ride or better handling. For non-approved tires I'm suppose to use a tire pressure of 44psi. I find the Sport AS (non approved) to work fine at the lower pressures. It should be noted that I never rotate the tires on the Jag, per Jaguar instructions.



I just put the new Pilot Sport AS+ on the Jag and they're quieter than the AS that they replace. Apparently there's 3 new tread compounds integrated into the new AS+. I highly recommend them.

Got my pilot sports on. I am very happy.. Little to no sidewall flex....

Are you still happy with them after the first week?

Only got about 16k miles on my Turanza LS-V tires and there's only 3 to 4/32" left. Supposed to have a 40k mile warranty. But my local Firestone dealer is screwing me and won't pro-rate the tires because I bought the tires as a carry out deal rather than having them mounted on my car. How could I, I ordered my 17" HFP rims off the internet and brought them down to Firestone in my truck bed and had them mount the tires and then I took them home to mount them myself. They never told me at that time that there would be no warranty. Screw them, I'm never going back there again!

Only got about 16k miles on my Turanza LS-V tires and there's only 3 to 4/32" left. Supposed to have a 40k mile warranty. But my local Firestone dealer is screwing me and won't pro-rate the tires because I bought the tires as a carry out deal rather than having them mounted on my car. How could I, I ordered my 17" HFP rims off the internet and brought them down to Firestone in my truck bed and had them mount the tires and then I took them home to mount them myself. They never told me at that time that there would be no warranty. Screw them, I'm never going back there again!

You need to contact Bridgestone's customer relations line. The tire dealer is feeding you a load of BS plain and simple. There's nothing in their warranty that states the car has to be there for the warranty to be valid. They should only be able to deny the warranty if you:
fail to prove (if asked) that a qualified tech--which the tire dealer should be--mounted & balanced them on the rims. Bolting on a car is not required failed to follow the proper rotation schedule there's clear evidence of mistreatment or clear evidence of vehicle issues (alignment issues, suspension malfunctions, etc.)

Warranty/Tech (US):
1-800-847-3272
Store Comments:
1-800-367-3872

You need to contact Bridgestone's customer relations line. The tire dealer is feeding you a load of BS plain and simple. There's nothing in their warranty that states the car has to be there for the warranty to be valid.

Good idea. The only thing is that the dealer's excuse they gave me is that how can I prove how many miles I put on those tires. Sure, I can drive down in my wife's Accord and the odometer only says 17k miles, but the guy was trying to imply that how would he know if I ran them on another car for a bunch of miles, but then remounted them on the Accord with the low 17k odometer. That's why he claims the car needs to be there to mount the tires on them.

Then he also mentioned about rotation. I rotated them about every 7k miles and they are all worn evenly. But how do you prove you rotated them?

Seems like most places try to screw over the DIY'ers.