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alec10983
04-16-2009, 06:01 PM
for suspension on the 2008 accord coupe, why do people get eibach or H&r or others like that and not HFP sprt susupension? I mean, the after market ones, like ppl say, die down and get bad after a little while. Does that mean you have to buy new ones in a couple years? ANd for Hfp, u just get that, its reliable, etc, no worries, ecxcept for price.

zexen
04-16-2009, 06:17 PM
Eibach and H&R are springs. You take out your old springs and replace them with the aftermarket ones. They are usually cheaper for this reason.

the HFP Sport Suspension is designed by Honda, yes, and includes a matched shock and spring set that are designed for each other. This does cost about twice as much, but you are getting another part to the system. The HFP is also currently designed for the V6, therefore the spring rates in the front are different, which would make the front end if installed on an I4 sit higher than it was designed to be.

The aftermarket springs can lower the car much more, whereas the HFP only lowers approximately 1" in height.

As far as length of life, the springs will not die unless somehow they rust. Springs typically can run the life of the car, just like your stock springs. It's the shocks in the suspension that usually go because of the extra pressure put on them by the aftermarket spring. The HFP suspension will go out sooner or later as well, but because it's designed for each other, it will last longer. Typically aftermarket springs on stock shocks will last ~60k miles, whereas your HFP kit might run to 100K before it goes out. It's all a matter of personal preference.

Coilovers are the next step, but coilovers will cost more than the HFP for a reliable-brand, long-life, well-performing set.

alec10983
04-16-2009, 06:25 PM
wow, thanks for the explanation, i do have a V6 so i can get the hfp, but i just wouldnt know what to do when the after market does die out and how would i know?

zexen
04-16-2009, 07:10 PM
You'll know because the car will either bottom out because your shocks are blown and have lost pressure, or your car will become very bouncy because the shocks are blown and the springs are the only real thing holding up your car.

Personally, I would get the HFP since it can be purchased for a relatively reasonable price. The springs don't die out, but the shocks do, so you would only need to change out the shocks when the suspension starts getting really soft.

woody4364
04-16-2009, 07:26 PM
Eibach and H&R are springs. You take out your old springs and replace them with the aftermarket ones. They are usually cheaper for this reason.

the HFP Sport Suspension is designed by Honda, yes, and includes a matched shock and spring set that are designed for each other. This does cost about twice as much, but you are getting another part to the system. The HFP is also currently designed for the V6, therefore the spring rates in the front are different, which would make the front end if installed on an I4 sit higher than it was designed to be.

The aftermarket springs can lower the car much more, whereas the HFP only lowers approximately 1" in height.

As far as length of life, the springs will not die unless somehow they rust. Springs typically can run the life of the car, just like your stock springs. It's the shocks in the suspension that usually go because of the extra pressure put on them by the aftermarket spring. The HFP suspension will go out sooner or later as well, but because it's designed for each other, it will last longer. Typically aftermarket springs on stock shocks will last ~60k miles, whereas your HFP kit might run to 100K before it goes out. It's all a matter of personal preference.

Coilovers are the next step, but coilovers will cost more than the HFP for a reliable-brand, long-life, well-performing set.

+1

I would have bought the HFP suspension but I have an I4. Once the shocks go out, I'll replace with coilovers or aftermarket shocks or maybe honda will offer something for my car in the future.

sky52
04-16-2009, 09:35 PM
i thoguht HFP uses eibach springs?

morcheez
04-16-2009, 09:46 PM
people may also choose to get something besides hfp because its simply not enough drop for the price u pay

accordguy
04-16-2009, 10:08 PM
people may also choose to get something besides hfp because its simply not enough drop for the price u pay

exactly :lmao:

alec10983
04-17-2009, 02:36 AM
people may also choose to get something besides hfp because its simply not enough drop for the price u pay

Yes, that is a good point. That would be the reason i would get aftrmarket, for the Drop, but, ur making ur car need a change of shocks.

But, if you don't get any new suspension, dont u have to change the springs becasue they die out at one point?

Kiribati
04-17-2009, 02:54 AM
Everything will die out at one point. It's a game of whether you want "THIS" or "THAT" to die out first. Why drop it only to have to fix whatever problems it may have later? 'Cause you want to look good and worry about it later. At least that's my point of view.

zexen
04-17-2009, 04:47 AM
Yes, that is a good point. That would be the reason i would get aftrmarket, for the Drop, but, ur making ur car need a change of shocks.

But, if you don't get any new suspension, dont u have to change the springs becasue they die out at one point?

The springs will last much longer than your shocks will, but yes, if you keep your car to over 150k miles, you may need to change out your springs down the road.

MSchu has a custom setup with custom shocks and springs. Aftermarket shocks are much more giving with aftermarket springs, so his setup should last him close to 80-100k without any problems.

If you change springs, yes you'll be looking to change out your stock shocks about 60k, but by then most people have saved up for new shocks or coilovers already too. It's all a matter of how long you plan to keep the car as well.

MSchu
04-17-2009, 06:33 AM
for suspension on the 2008 accord coupe, why do people get eibach or H&r or others like that and not HFP sprt susupension? I mean, the after market ones, like ppl say, die down and get bad after a little while. Does that mean you have to buy new ones in a couple years? ANd for Hfp, u just get that, its reliable, etc, no worries, ecxcept for price.


There is much more to it than that for some of us Alec. Springs are a point of tunability that can dramatically change the characteristics of the way the car handles. Even within a niche of handling requirements there are micro adjustments that add to, in my circumstance, performance.

Most aftermarket springs will outlive the ownership of a car, or most certainly the shocks on the car, and the rate will remain fairly consistent for the life or at least degrade slowly and predictably

What I implore folks to do is to not buy cheap springs, as despite a companies claims, the rates quoted can vary wildly. That is why I went with an established company with a long reputation and race experience, Hypercoil. There springs are SPOT ON in rate when they deliver them and this provides a consistent baseline from which to tune.

What happens quite often is that folks buy springs based on drop and not rate, and as such, the shocks they use to try and control the springs suffer. Zexen is correct... I specified my set up based on parameters I thought would work, and even if I need to change my parameters, my set up is customizable/tunable and rebuildable.

jorgedlc
04-17-2009, 08:15 AM
Good info... Thanks to all!

Quick question the HFP is only made for v6 coupe? I don't find any info in HFP suspension for sedan yet...

I'm interest on lower my v6 sedan w/18" coupe wheels, and right now probably going to get the Eibach Pro Kit, soon