Accord LX or EX? Pls advice [Archive] - Drive Accord Honda Forums

nemo456

07-17-2005, 05:50 AM

Trip

07-17-2005, 06:05 AM

It sounds like you've already answered your own question. The basic goodness of the Accord is already baked into the DX and LX trim levels - same engine, handles well, comfortable, safety features, etc... The EX adds luxury features.

The two items you showed interest in are available on the LX... I believe the LX has a height adjustable driver seat (manual knobs that you twist) and the CD changer can be added as dealer installed option, either in the armrest or the trunk (I think an 8-disc changer is available - 2 more than the standard in-dash) or an in-dash model that goes where the covered storage bin is below the radio. Though items like EBD and rear discs may help with better braking performance in some situations, mostly you probably won't even miss it.

I opted for the EX - I like the moonroof and alloy wheels that come standard. I also prefer leather (easier to clean and more comfortable IMO) so I also opted for the EX-L. But again, the additional features are not necessities, just niceties :) - heated seats, outside temp gauge, dual temp controls for the front . . .

It's personal preferences.

stiller fan

07-17-2005, 06:06 AM

1) moonroof - which doesn't mean too much to me
2) 6-Disc In-Dash CD Changer - i drive long distance, so this can be helpful!
3) Electronic Brake Distribution System (EBD) - what is that? Is that important?
4) Power-Assisted Ventilated Front Disc/Solid Rear Disc Brakes (4-wheel Disc Brake) - what is that? Is that important?
4) Driver's Seat w/Power Height Adjustment - useful? I don't know
5) Driver's Seat Adjustable Lumbar Support - useful? I don't know
6) Ambient Console Lighting - not important to me!
7) 16" Alloy Wheels - not important to me!

Can someone give me some advice and explain to me the significances of some of the above features from EX? Is it worth it to pay for the extra?

Btw, add another $1400 for either LX and EX for a leather, worth it?

Thanks in advance

Nemo

personally, i'm looking into buying an lx, but ill try to explain to you as much as possible what each of them means....

EBD - it helps to even out your power between each brake so that you stop more in a straight line, along with even activation of ABS

for the front discs: i believe that it's good to have ventilated front discs, cause more of your car's weight is obviously up front (engine, tranny)..... it'll keep your front brakes coller for a longer period of time, decreasing brake fading......

6CD changer: definitely would be nice to have, but if you travel with someone alot, it wouldn't be a problem..... plus, i think that you can add that option later if you decide to change your mind...... number of ways you can do it. OEM, or aftermarket, and the places you can go for one are on a pretty long list

hmmm, power height adjustment: would be good if you have mulitple people driving your car (spouse, other members of family)..... then again, you have the normal manual ratchetting seat, which works just as well......

lumbar support: see above...... also, i do tend to have an achy back over longer drives...... not sure if it's from the old car seats, or from other issues that i won't go into here....

with or without leather: personal preference really. it all depends on if you are willing to spend the extra cash for the leather (which comes with heated seats too, perfect on those cold mrngs) :D

anything else, feel free to ask..... :yes:

stiller :wave:

RTexasF

07-17-2005, 06:24 AM

Dear All,

I am new here and need some advice from all you experts here... :)

I have been shopping for my first Honda Accord and still struggling between the LX and the EX! (Non Leather, 4 cylinder).

The price difference between the two is around USD $2100, and obviously EX gives more like

1) moonroof - which doesn't mean too much to me
2) 6-Disc In-Dash CD Changer - i drive long distance, so this can be helpful!
3) Electronic Brake Distribution System (EBD) - what is that? Is that important?
4) Power-Assisted Ventilated Front Disc/Solid Rear Disc Brakes (4-wheel Disc Brake) - what is that? Is that important?
4) Driver's Seat w/Power Height Adjustment - useful? I don't know
5) Driver's Seat Adjustable Lumbar Support - useful? I don't know
6) Ambient Console Lighting - not important to me!
7) 16" Alloy Wheels - not important to me!

Can someone give me some advice and explain to me the significances of some of the above features from EX? Is it worth it to pay for the extra?

Btw, add another $1400 for either LX and EX for a leather, worth it?

Thanks in advance

Nemo

Here's my 2 cents worth:
1. The moon roof is a nice feature and makes a spring/fall drive more pleasant. It also increases trade/resale value.

2. 6 disc indash speaks for itself.

3. EBD coupled with anti lock braking, both standard, is a safety feature that should be on every car made. It lessens stopping distance by sensing which wheel(s) have the best traction and distributes the braking force. Anti lock allows you the ability to steer under panic braking since the tires don't lock up and provide a molten rubber surface to slide on.

4. 4 wheel Disc brakes are preferred....less fade, more stopping power, self adjusting, not affected by water as drum brakes are.

5. Power height on the seat is a plus since you drive long distances. A seemingly minor adjustment can really change the seat's "feel". I consider it a plus.

6. Lumbar - useless to me, it's too high, not in the lumbar region but that is subjective.

7. The console lighting is one of the many pleasures of this car. Adjustable for lighting conditions, no fade in full sunlight, you will enjoy it once you try it. It makes all others seem obsolete.

8. 16" wheels (& the nicer looking alloys) provide better handling, a wider footprint on the ground, and an improved ride over the 15 inch wheels. Alloys, as opposed to steel wheels, are lighter which means less unsprung weight and better handling.

For the small amount of money involved, especially spread out over a five year loan, the EX is the better buy......yes, I have an '04 EX 5 speed manual, 2.4l 4 cyl. and went through the same thing.

psyshack

07-17-2005, 06:29 AM

Dear All,

I am new here and need some advice from all you experts here... :)

I have been shopping for my first Honda Accord and still struggling between the LX and the EX! (Non Leather, 4 cylinder).

The price difference between the two is around USD $2100, and obviously EX gives more like

1) moonroof - which doesn't mean too much to me
We like ours :)

2) 6-Disc In-Dash CD Changer - i drive long distance, so this can be helpful!
Yeah seeing the antena for the radio is in the rear glass and it sucks. many disc are nice.

3) Electronic Brake Distribution System (EBD) - what is that? Is that important?
Lets say you have the trunk of the car loaded with peachs EBD senses this and adjust brakeing pressure to better stop the car and keep in in control. Works hand and hand with ABS. So yeah its a nice little saftey feature. IMO

4) Power-Assisted Ventilated Front Disc/Solid Rear Disc Brakes (4-wheel Disc Brake) - what is that? Is that important?
EX has disc brakes front and rear. LX has drum brakes on the rear. In 2005 if a car dosent have disc brakes front and rear I dont buy it. If I wanted old school drum brakes I would by a old used car.

4) Driver's Seat w/Power Height Adjustment - useful? I don't know
Raises the seat hieght up and down. Not useful to me or the wife.

5) Driver's Seat Adjustable Lumbar Support - useful? I don't know
Alot of folks like this adjustment. Adjust seat to fit ones lower back. My lower back is shot and straight as a board. So its no use to me. Wife uses it. she has a nice lower back curve, just one of many proper curves a lady should have. :)

6) Ambient Console Lighting - not important to me!
A real nice touch.

7) 16" Alloy Wheels - not important to me!
Again a nice touch. Steels and hub caps - barf

Can someone give me some advice and explain to me the significances of some of the above features from EX? Is it worth it to pay for the extra?
Wife and I thought they where worth it.

Btw, add another $1400 for either LX and EX for a leather, worth it?
Can only get leather as a upgrade on EX. Power seats, leather and automatic climate control.

Wife didnt want leather in the new Accord. Seeing she drives 90% of the time, so be it. I myself would want the leather for nothing more than the 8-way power drivers seat. :)

If you dont care about the ambiant lighting. or rear wheel disc brakes then get a LX-SE. I would asume this is a 4 cylinder, as a v6 is slightly diff. in trims between LX and EX

Thanks in advance
Your welcome

Nemo
psy

nemo456

07-17-2005, 08:08 AM

i was impressed by the quick and informative replies from u...THANKS SO MUCH! :thmsup:

Want to share these thoughts in my head with u

Personally I lean towards the EX, really like the cool stuff that comes with it - esp the CD-changer, the safety feature...etc. But...but...I could save that 2k, in which not many people would noticed if i get EX or LX (they won't be extremely impressed if I get an EX...over LX, of course, more noticeable when i get an EX with leather :biggrin: ); use that 2K for what I wanted so long...LASIK!!! :banana: Invest that 2K saved on LASIK, make myself looks more handsome without eye-glasses, i think that will make myself more "noticeable" b4 people???

I know this is crazy...but average income people like me...I just got to make every penny worth ...

Hmmm..yeah..if I spread the 2K over 4 years (i plan to do 4 years financing with 5.3% from Eloan). it will be just $500 a year extra....

Thanks again..

nemo456

07-17-2005, 08:14 AM

bagbklyn

07-17-2005, 08:15 AM

piturra

07-17-2005, 09:01 AM

Many people play down the moonroof factor, but having the pop-up feature is a great plus. This was one of the main reasons back when I upgraded from the 96 to a 2000. If you have the vents on fresh and the moonroof popped up, the air will flow in and out of the car with less wind noise then if you were to open up the window. I use this feature all year round just to have fresh air.

On the EX you also forgot dual climate control, for some strange reason men and women have different body temperature, I must say I didn't think I would be using this feature as much as I am now.

Alloy vs hubcaps? I don't know where you live but in NYC hit a pothole and say bye-bye top your hubcap

My experience is pretty much identical w/bagbklyn (especially the Dual-Zone Climate Controls - wife loves it!!! :yes: ), ... though I will also leave the moonroof in the tilt open position, moonroof interior panel 3/4 closed (door windows closed) during the day parked @ work to let the hot air out, - Front Windshield Sunshield in place of course!

After work, ... once I turn the corner of my building and see my car, ... I unlock my car pressing the remote button once, ... then press it the second time and HOLD - to open all the car door windows open!!! Once I get into the car, most of the remaining HOT air is out and I start my ... 'ready to join the commute home' ... procedure! :)

1) what is the price range with installation? Depending on the brands and speakers?

2) Would it be better to get something not-from Honda dealers?

An observation from my EX-L, the tight, integrated design of my dashboard would be compromised if the 3rd-party Radio/6-CD changer unit is not identical to the color, button shapes/fonts, molded curves and angles, so by using Honda's upgrade the integration would look seamless.

If you get a chance, listen to the EX-L's Stereo, I think you'll be pleasantly surprised by the quality! For more INFO, see Edmund's Stereo Evaluation (2003) (http://www.edmunds.com/new/2005/honda/accord/100519754/roadtestarticle.html?articleId=76668&editorialpage=page002), where the conclusion was, "... it packs a decent enough punch and makes for a very pleasurable listening experience."

3) What's the brand that comes with the EX? Can it plays mp3?

Don't know the brand, ... since I generally don't burn MP3 CD's and I didn't read it in the Owner's Manual MFG. Spec's, ... I'm guessing it doesn't!

Now, if I want to hear some of my 2,011 MP3 music from my 30GB Polaroid MP3 player, I just use my FM wireless modulator. Works great in my 2004 Pilot, ... though w/XM Radio** in my Accord, I have not used my MP3 player.

**Love XM Radio so much, I bought the Delphi SkiFi2 w/Home Kit @ eBay, ... and sent away for the FREE Roady2 w/Car Kit, ... which by the way, ... works with the Delphi SkiFi2 Home kit!!! :thmsup:

Phil

n1accord

07-17-2005, 09:07 AM

Can someone give me some advice and explain to me the significances of some of the above features from EX? Is it worth it to pay for the extra?
You might want to compare features (and pricing) for the LX V6 versus EX 4cyl. (If you do not have a brochure, go to Honda's website or Edmunds.com.) If you have not done a test drive comparison, your really should before you rule out the V6 - - not just horsepower, but how the car rides and handles.
Your dealer may not have the LX V6 on the lot, but the EX V6 would be fine for a test drive - - both have 16" wheels and 4 wheel disc brakes, as well as other features in common.

psyshack

07-17-2005, 09:15 AM

Oh...question:

Say I get a LX, and later when to add a in-dash CD Changer (I don't like those that stick into my trunk),

1) what is the price range with installation? Depending on the brands and speakers?

2) Would it be better to get something not-from Honda dealers?

3) What's the brand that comes with the EX? Can it plays mp3?

Sorry..I hope i am not off-topic here

Pls advise.

Get the LX-SE, has must of what your looking for. No 6 disc changer, rear disc brakes and no ambiant lighting i think would be the big things. 1 disc or 6 disc changer isnt that important to me.. its nice to have 6 disc but the 1 disc head unit sounds the same as the 6 disc and the speakers are the same. plus it gives you that cool factor that will go along with the eye surgy. :thmsup:

http://automobiles.honda.com/models/specifications_descriptions.asp?ModelName=Accord+C oupe&Category=LX+Special+Edition

I would consider that trim level. But I wont have drum brakes.

CA05LXDriver

07-17-2005, 09:54 AM

You said the price difference was small, but what prices are you being quoted? You can get an LX sedan 4cyl Auto in the bay area CA for around 17,300 including destination (19,065 out the door after 8.75% sales tax where I live), so I'd assume you could get similar discounts nationwide... maybe more toward the year end.

I chose the LX sedan because it came with all of the features I like...except for XM Radio which I will install later.

If money is no object, you might get the EX since you might open your sunroof one day ;).... the little extras are nice here and there down the road, but I couldn't rationalize spoiling myself.

The LX came with the following that were important to me:
A/C
Keyless Entry
CD/ 6 speakers
Cruise Control
Side Curtain Air Bags (new for LX 4cyl in 2005)
ABS

CA05LXDriver

07-17-2005, 10:03 AM

I would consider that trim level. But I wont have drum brakes.

You'd only see a difference in performance between drum or disk rears if you are autoxing, running on the track, or fording water :D
Of course, I like the way the disk looks through the wheel (you can't see it through the LX hub cap though).

When I saw the drum I was like WTF? Isn't it 2005? :lmao:

stiller fan

07-17-2005, 10:11 AM

i didn't even know that honda still used drums on the back.... :mad: :dunno:

i would have thought by now that they would have switched to disc all around for all vehicles...... :stupid:

EXLNavi

07-17-2005, 04:18 PM

I bought an EX because that was the only way I could have gotten Navi.

However, now I feel that I've wasted my money and that I should have gotten a TL instead. But I have a feeling that I feel that way because I'm making 30k more per year than I was in 2003 :)

RTexasF

07-17-2005, 04:22 PM

On the EX you also forgot dual climate control, for some strange reason men and women have different body temperature, I must say I didn't think I would be using this feature as much as I am now.

This is available on the EX-L not the EX.

EXLNavi

07-17-2005, 04:34 PM

VTECaddict

07-17-2005, 04:58 PM

another feature not mentioned:

the EX has steering wheel radio controls, which is useful since you dont have to take your hand off the wheel to mess with your radio.

some other small things that dont really matter:
on the EX and above (i think its EX...or might be EX-L?) the front visors dont have the plastic extention that pulls out when you use the visor on the side. intead, the whole visor moves. also, the A, B, and C pillars are covered in the same material the headliner is. the LX and below have plastic trim pieces instead. the EX has silver or fake wood trim pieces on the center console and around the window switches on the doors. the LX has black pieces.

the LX is great, with many standard features. the EX just adds little things here and there that makes it look better and more upscale. especially the EX with leather, the interior looks very much like an Acura.

n1accord

07-17-2005, 05:57 PM

another feature not mentioned:

the EX has steering wheel radio controls, which is useful since you dont have to take your hand off the wheel to mess with your radio.

LX V6 has steering wheel radio controls, (but being a creature of habit, I rarely think to use them :lmao: )

nemo456

07-17-2005, 07:53 PM

Alright.....I think i am going for EX without leather.

Now, I checked the prices from 2 dealers in central NJ (visited them over the weekend)

Dealer A: Gave me an Internet quote for 19,159. When I was there, they added all the fees (tax, tag, etc) + destination fee (was shocked it wasn't added in the quote....nasty!) , the TOTAL comes to $21,310

Dealer B: Gave me a quote of $19,948. The TOTAL when i was there was $22, 870.

Here are some of my findings (On the road):

1) I read from the forums at edmund.com, some people were able to get $20,354

2) CarDirect.com gave me the full price of $20,963

3) Based on the calculation on the spreadsheet provided by CarBuyingTips.com (http://www.carbuyingtips.com/download.htm) , I came out with a full price of 20,582

So...anyone in NJ can help verify these prices? Are they reasonable?

Now, I do plan to checkout from another dealer tomorrow. Should I ask for 20K for Accord EX (includes everything)? :)

Thanks so much for ur time

VTECaddict

07-17-2005, 09:24 PM

$20k out the door is pretty good. try for that. :)

psyshack

07-18-2005, 03:19 AM

We paided 21,214 for the wifes sedan ex, auto i4. Not including tax, title, tag. We pay no sales tax at the time of sale here thank god. Can they be got cheaper,, you bet. But not in Oklahoma as a rule. I was in Dallas end of last week, there was a Honda dealer every 3 miles it seemed like.

mrjtree

07-18-2005, 03:23 AM

I live in North Jersey and bought my '04 last October using the Costco Auto Buying service. Never used it before and was always skeptical of these services. In the end, I was quoted a price over the phone (without any haggling) from Giant Honda (Clifton, NJ). Ended up about $4,500 off sticker price. Called 6 other Honda dealers and spoke to the sales manager. Not one would beat the price, only come within $450. This more than paid for the Costco membership and saved hours of negotiating. :thmsup:

nemo456

07-18-2005, 03:36 AM

In New Jersey, I actually went to

1) OPen Road Honda in Rt 1 Edison. They have so many salespeople, but the one i got was the worst. In our test drive, she didn't say a thing. Just sat there and told me where to drive and showed me how do drive back to the dealer! :thumbsdow And when i asked for Graphite Pearl, she said we don't have that in stock, will have to order and that will COST YOU MORE!

2) Princeton Honda in Princeton. Salesman was ok, but never want to negoatiate the price. And gave a OTD $1000 more that Open Road Honda!!!

Now...I don't really know how many dealers i should go b4 i get the lowest! These dealers gave me the impressions that they don't need my business..they are plenty!! demands for Honday is unstopeable! :paranoid:

Pairallel

07-18-2005, 06:37 AM

Now...I don't really know how many dealers i should go b4 i get the lowest!

The answer is: NONE! No one in their right mind should physically walk into a dealership to buy a car today - they will play all of their games on you, and waste hours and hours of your time. It can all be done by e-mail with a minimum of effort.

You seem to know exactly what you want: 2005 EX I4 in Graphite Pearl. So go to hondacars.com, locate every dealer within 100 miles of you, gather their internet sales department e-mail addresses, and send out e-mails asking for their best "out the door" (includes all taxes and fees) price on that specific car. Tell them you are buying a car within the next few days. If you start with 20 dealers, you will get about 10 responses within a day or 2. Take the lowest valid offer and re-send to those that respond, telling them what the price to beat is.

Then take the best 3 prices, and call each one, telling them you are buying "tomorrow", and whoever gives you "X" price first will get your business. Based on your conversations, price results, and intuitive feel for the dealership, make your decision. Then make a specific appointment to close the deal, tell them you want the paperwork prepared in advance and faxed to you for review, then go with a check for the agreed amount, at the agreed time, and drive your new car home.

Simple as that. :thmsup:

CA05LXDriver

07-18-2005, 07:59 AM

Another simple way to get internet quotes is through edmunds.com

It also will show several local dealers which you can select to get internet quotes from. That's what I used and found that ripping deal on a graphite pearl LX 4dr auto ($17,299). The lowest quote was 17,399 including dest, and my favorite local dealer beat it by $100.

If you are able to get an EX auto for $1500 more, that's a great deal. I'd have considered the EX if I knew it was that little of a difference, but likely would have saved that money for my next Hawaiian vacation :thmsup:
The answer is: NONE! No one in their right mind should physically walk into a dealership to buy a car today - they will play all of their games on you, and waste hours and hours of your time. It can all be done by e-mail with a minimum of effort.

n1accord

07-18-2005, 08:05 AM

I based my offer on invoice price less incentives (dealer and customer). Made the offer over internet and they accepted.

I feel that it's better to decide in advance what you are willing to pay. If you ask them for the price, you put them in control.

piturra

07-18-2005, 09:19 AM

Pairallel pretty much summed up my feeling, ... don't walk into a Dealership cold-turkey, ... unless you're in a bad mood and don't plan to buy a car!!!

My buying process is similar to Pairallel, except I did all my initial local pricing research via Email (like CA05LXDriver), ... using Edmunds.com "Get Dealer Quotes" webpage.

Here's the process I used @ the end of APRIL ...

1) Determined what model I wanted - (researched internet between April 22 - 30, 2005)
.... a) MODEL: 2005 Honda Accord EXL 4 cyl. PZEV** AT EXL Sedan
.... b) MSRP: $25,265** (w/$515 Destination)
.... c) COLOR: I initially wanted "Eternal Blue Pearl"
.... d) Looked for consumer & professional reviews via the internet

2) Next - I looked up INVOICE $$$ + DEST @ Edmunds.com & Kelly's Blue Book website to see if that model will be within our budget?
... a) see below

Dealer's INV.. $22,271
DEST............. $515
===============
Total......... $22,786.00** (plus = CA tax, DMV, Tire & Doc fee)

.... b) At this point, I thought, ... anything UNDER Invoice would make me (& wife) HAPPY!!! :yes:

**NOTE: All California Honda 4 cyl. = PZEV (Partial Zero Emission Vehicles) certified

3) Sunday night - May 1st - I utilized Edmunds.com "Get Dealer Quotes" option after I choose my MODEL, COLOR & ZIP CODE options.
... a) Quotes should come via emails

4) Within 8 hours, the next morning, Monday May 2nd, the Very First Quote I received was $1,700 below INV w/Dest @ $21,086!!! :)
.... a) That dealer, AutoWest Fremont was across the SF Bay, from me - about 15 miles away!
.... b) Next Dealer follow-up was a phone call @ work - from Anderson Honda of Palo Alto (about 5 miles from me!!!)
........ 1. Phone quote = $21,786
........ 2. I told the Internet Manager about my AutoWest Fremont email quote and asked if he would match?? - YES!!! :D
........ 3. He then asked me if he can send me ... "Your Personal AndersonDirect Quote " email? - I said SURE!
........ 4. He advised me that his email uses a $$ price template, so his initial quote of $21,786 will be there, but ... "NO PROBLEMS" matching AutoWest's email Quote!!!
........ 5. Received Anderson's email a few hours later & read the following:

EMAIL TEMPLATE:
Selling Price: ........$21,786.00
Tire Fee: .....................$8.75
Doc. Fee: ..................$45.00
Sales Tax 8.25%: ...$1,801.06
DMV (Estimate): ........$203.00
Total: ......................$23,843.81 (nice to see the OTD price)

... "We have a LOW PRICE GUARANTEE. If you are offered a lower price in writing or email from a different Northern California Honda dealer, we will BEAT the price by $100."

........ 6. Let's see, $21,086 - $100 = $20, 986 - YES!!! :banana: :banana:
........ 7. I still decided to wait a few days to receive the remaining 4 quotes (6 Quotes total) - no one came close!!!

5) Wednesday May 4th - Called & made an appointment @ Anderson Honda to test drive and purchase!
.... a) To obtain the PRICE MATCH + $100 OFF, all I had to do was provide a hardcopy of my AutoWest Fremont email!
.... b) PROBLEM: They SOLD ALL their remaining NEW 4 cyl. EXL Sedans last, Sunday May 1st - the last 2 were Graphite Pearl. :(
.... c) They are expecting three 4 cyl. EXL Sedans within 4 to 6 days - Colors: Black, Silver & Desert Mist Metallic
.... d) Looked at ALL the different colors again (4 cyl. & V6 cars), we finally decided that the "Eternal Blue Pearl" was too dark!
........ 1. I liked the "Desert Mist Pearl" w/burled wood trim!
.... e) We test drove a Silver 4 cyl. EXL Sedan
.... f) Choose "Desert Mist Metallic" and put $500 down, later they emailed me the VIN #
.... a) The 3 cars should arrive between May 5th to 9th. :bawling:

6) Friday May 6th - Received an email & call that my car arrived :nuts:
.... a) My car read 4.5 miles on the odometer.
.... b) We were there about an hour and a half, last half hour was in the car going over all the options!
.... c) Took delivery and paid CASH!!!
.... d) No hassle or haggle - all were very professional, knowledgeable and friendly.

Final tally Anderson Honda in Palo Alto:
Price: .........$20,986.00 ($1,800 below INV)
Tire Fee: ...........$8.75
Doc. Fee: .........$45.00
8.5% tax: ......$1,735.06
DMV (Est):.......$187.00
======================
TOTAL: ..$22,961.81 OTD :yes: :) :D :thmsup: :biggrin: :thumbsup:

This is the first time, when we were ready to buy, where we didn't go to a dealership until we knew via email, our approximate OTD!

FYI: Our 2004 Pilot EX-L w/NAV was ordered thru our Federal Credit Union Buying REP, waited about a month and received a call from Capital Honda (the ONLY Dealer willing to sell the HOT Pilot's $1,010 under MSRP - all the other's were @ or above MSRP!!!) on Nov. 7, 2003 to take delivery!

nemo456 - At this time, you should be able to meet or beat $1,800 under INVOICE, ... though the 2005 inventory Model/Color choices will be limited!

Have fun shopping,
Phil

CA05LXDriver

07-18-2005, 09:51 AM

My buying process is similar to Pairallel, except I did all my initial local pricing research via Email (like CA05LXDriver), ... using Edmunds.com "Get Dealer Quotes" webpage.
Have fun shopping,
Phil

Hi Phil, your experience is EXACTLY the same as mine, including the lowest quote and the follow-on sale with Anderson. Awesome experience!!!! :thmsup:

nemo456

07-18-2005, 06:37 PM

Pairallel and piturra, yes..I am learning from u all...doing the same thing now. Sent out requests for quotes...and got couples and persue more tomorrow. THANKS SO MUCH for the great suggestion!

But my gut feeling is, they can only go as low as OTD $21, 300 for EX 4-cylinder. I think that's the best I can get in July. What do u all think? Given the fact I will be buying in central or south jersey, my own financing, new tag, plate, etc

Anyone had experience buying around September? Will it be alot cheaper during Labor's Day??? I heard that's the largest car sales in a year?

Btw, can i ask if the EX comes with alarm system? or both LX and EX have that?

VTECaddict

07-18-2005, 07:04 PM

the EX comes with a very simple "security system". if someone opens the door, hood, or trunk after the car has been locked, the horn will sound and lights will flash. IMO, that and the Immobilizer is enough. also, some dealers will blame any electrical problems you might have on the aftermarket alarm system and not fix it under warranty.

anysia

07-19-2005, 04:42 AM

sorry, i didn't read through everything, i was begginning to loose track.

word of warning... it looks like som of the posts are mixing up standard ex features with the features that are standard on the exl models! the leather not only upgrades the seats from cloth to leather, but also adds things like heated seats, dual climate control, xm radio, etc. those are NOT in the cloth ex models! ;)

personaly i went for the ex with cloth over the lx model because i wanted a few of the big things. the cd changer, the alloy wheels, and the sunroof.

i didn't want the leather because the extra features i gained weren't worht it to me. leather is nice, but i've usually preferred cloth. the black cloth attracts eveyr piece of lint and fuz though!! i think comfort wise i still prefer the cloth over the leather, but that's an entirely personal opinion! (this isafter spending a good bit of time in an exl.)

on the alarm systems, the ex comes standard with one. people who have added the honda acessory alarm to the lx get alot more features on the alarm though. like someone already mentioned, the ex alarm combined with the immobilizer should be enough.

i think if you get the lx model and add an alarm, youend up with the large key for the car and one of the key fob thingys. if you get the ex, you just have the key-all the buttons you need are on the key itself. a minor nuisance to some, but i really like the fact that my key is all i need! less bulk! ;)

Pairallel

07-19-2005, 06:19 AM

But my gut feeling is, they can only go as low as OTD $21, 300 for EX 4-cylinder. I think that's the best I can get in July. What do u all think? Given the fact I will be buying in central or south jersey, my own financing, new tag, plate, etc

Again, you need to expand your creativity level. When buying using the internet, you are not limited to local dealers. Why not north Jersey, PA or DE? Would you drive an extra hour or 2 to save $500 more? If yes, then give it a shot.

I bought my Accord from Faulkner Honda in Harrisburg, PA, 4 hours from my home in northern NJ. They beat the prices from all 11 north Jersey dealers I contacted, they did all of the paperwork over the phone, including financing, and they delivered the car to my house free of charge. On top of that great service, they beat the 2nd best price by $400. The only drawback was getting a new car with 200 miles on it, but I doubled that myself on day 2... :lmao:

So expand your search to save a few more dollars, and give Faulkner Honda (Tony Lombardo) a call. You may surprise yourself.

Also - the time of year is not necessarily a key determining factor. The time of month (rushing to meet quotas) is also important, as is the individual dealer's desire to clear inventory or to move a car that has been sitting for awhile. So if you find the right dealer at the right time, you may get him down to your magic number.

Remember to be convincing about your decisiveness and your readiness to buy NOW! :thmsup:

nemo456

07-19-2005, 06:34 AM

anysia

07-19-2005, 07:08 AM

NOTE: pa's tax rate varies from county to county! ;) i know ifyou live IN pa, you get taxed at the rate of the o****y thatyou live in, regardless of where you BUY the car. not sure how it works if you're from out of state though!

Pairallel

07-19-2005, 08:09 AM

How easy or complicated it is for me to buy a new car from other states like DE and PA? Besides a higher tax rate (in PA), don't I have to pay EXTRA to transfer this and that?

It is exactly the same as far as cost. The only difference is you do the legwork at motor vehicle, instead of the dealer. The dealer will give you a 2 or 3 week temporary tag, and you will take your bill of sale / contract to MV, pay the sales tax, registration, title fee, etc. Although this is an inconvenience for you, it is better than waiting forever for the dealer to handle it.

Some out-of-state dealers who are near NJ will probably have a NJ MV process in place, and will even take care of it for you, because they probably sell many cars to NJ residents. I know Harrisburg was a little too far, and they weren't set up to do the NJ paperwork, so I did it myself.

After a couple of encounters with dishonest salespeople in NJ, it was a pleasure to do business over the phone instead. The less time spent in the showroom, the better.... :yes:

EXLNavi

07-19-2005, 08:10 AM

Pairallel

One important question i forgot to ask.

I have a NJ driving license, plate, insurance. How easy or complicated it is for me to buy a new car from other states like DE and PA? Besides a higher tax rate (in PA), don't I have to pay EXTRA to transfer this and that? What are the things i need to do to swich back to NJ?

Please help educate me. If buying a new car from DE or PA is much cheaper, I don't mind expanding my search!!!

Thanks in advance

I live in NY but I bought my car in NJ and the dealer took care of everything. I believe that had to pay NY sales tax, not NJ. The only thing was that I had to get it inspected myself in NY, which was 10 bucks.

gohanssjn

07-19-2005, 08:18 AM

Just wanted to clarify one thing.

If you get an LX with an upgraded security system, you do not get an FOB. It is still built into the key. I should know, mine works just fine :yes:

EXLNavi

07-19-2005, 08:29 AM

Here's one trick someone told me.

THis is only good if you're paying cash, and not financing (although technically you are).

Many of the sly dealers these days will bait you with a low price then hit you with a high interest rate on the financing. They will typically tell ask you what monthly payment you're looking for, not what price you're looking for.

Get the low price and agree to the financing. Then first or second payment time, pay off the car in cash.

I've never tried it but it looks like a way to beat them at their own game.

EXLNavi

07-19-2005, 08:31 AM

Just wanted to clarify one thing.

If you get an LX with an upgraded security system, you do not get an FOB. It is still built into the key. I should know, mine works just fine :yes:

Shhh you're gonna make some TL owners jealous!!! :lmao:

jintegra

07-19-2005, 09:58 AM

Shhh you're gonna make some TL owners jealous!!! :lmao:Well, one could always do this (http://tl.acurazine.com/forums/showthread.php?t=117050&page=2&pp=25) :thmsup: . HeHe ... we steal their suspension bits & they steal our keys ! :lmao:

jintegra

07-19-2005, 11:13 AM

Back on topic ... great advice from everyone regarding doing your research on the internet first. I did something similar, got invoice pricing (we actually have to pay for it here in Canada :thumbsdow ) & quotes from online car dealers (eg. cars4u.com) . Once I had registered my name & email to those websites, I started getting email quotes from dealers in the region. Then I just went to a dealer & asked them to beat the best offer I had. I also had external financing & no options on the car - this way the dealer won't be able to sneak something past you either in the form of options or financing. All of the accessories I got, were bought after I signed the contract, & they're mostly from eBay. Looks like you're doing all the right things, good luck.

PS: One more difference between the LX & EX-L (we don't get an EX without leather here) is that the driver's seat feels very different. Maybe it's the adjustable lumbar support in the EX-L, but I couldn't really get comfortable in the LX.

nemo456

07-19-2005, 12:04 PM

jintegra,

Thanks for ur input. Yeah, i heard that from the dealers too, normally people who get EX, would get EX with leather! Why is that? Looks cooler? or people have richer nowadays! LOL :D

EXLNavi

07-19-2005, 12:26 PM

jintegra,

Thanks for ur input. Yeah, i heard that from the dealers too, normally people who get EX, would get EX with leather! Why is that? Looks cooler? or people have richer nowadays! LOL :D

I only got leather because that's the only way I could get nav.

Matman

07-19-2005, 12:50 PM

I went with the EX-L for the heated seats and XM. I think the dealer only wanted about $500 more for the EX-L model over the EX....... at that point, what was $500??!!! :D

Gnome

07-19-2005, 02:53 PM

In Canada, the LX-G comes with an alarm and the on-key buttons standard...

The odd differences in models between the US and Canada always surprise me.

n1accord

07-19-2005, 04:03 PM

All of the accessories I got, were bought after I signed the contract, & they're mostly from eBay.
Agree on the total price first, then negotiate options. Be prepared with internet prices that you expect them to meet. You shouldn't have to act like it's going to kill the deal, but what have you got to lose? There are 3 benefits to this:
1. You don't have to wait.
2. You may get them installed free.
3. THEY ARE COVERED BY THE ORIGINAL 3/36000 CAR WARRANTY.

Regarding leather, I would consider it only if the car is garaged and didn't carry small kids.

nemo456

07-21-2005, 03:08 AM

After days of requesting for quotes from dealers around NJ (by the way, I also tried PA, but they mostly have higher quotes), I almost know where I want to get my new car. Hopefully by end of this week.

Few more questions:

I am thinking of having the car windows tinted. Would it be easier to ask the dealer to do it? (throw me a bone)

Or should I go to some place else to do it, and cheaper?

How much I should expect to pay?

How long will it takes to install?

Are there any rules and regulation in NJ on tinted windows?

Do u all have tinted windows? I just thought it looks "cooler" !

Thanks..

greggdogg

07-21-2005, 03:33 AM

Supposedly you can't tint the 7th gens, the doors will scratch the tint up when the windows roll up/down.

anysia

07-21-2005, 05:09 AM

Just wanted to clarify one thing.

If you get an LX with an upgraded security system, you do not get an FOB. It is still built into the key. I should know, mine works just fine :yes:
i swear michnyc has a seperate fob....

i'll have to check with her later....

Gnome

07-21-2005, 06:40 AM

Supposedly you can't tint the 7th gens, the doors will scratch the tint up when the windows roll up/down.

I wonder if the moleskin installations done by the Acura TL guys would work on the Accord, if the tint scratches. Perhaps the tint installer can add this felt at the same time as applying the tint.

http://tl.acurazine.com/forums/showthread.php?t=90330

BenjiBoy650

07-21-2005, 08:39 AM

Alloy vs hubcaps? I don't know where you live but in NYC hit a pothole and say bye-bye top your hubcap

All Honda hubcaps are secured by the lugnuts. They don't come off unless your lugnuts are off. In which case...you have bigger things to worry about :yes:

CA05LXDriver

07-21-2005, 09:10 AM

All Honda hubcaps are secured by the lugnuts. They don't come off unless your lugnuts are off. In which case...you have bigger things to worry about :yes:

Yes, plus steel wheels are much stronger, so that's one more for the LX :biggrin:

nemo456

07-22-2005, 11:57 AM

Pairallel

07-22-2005, 12:46 PM

Then I drove all the way (35 mins) to his dealership, and guess what he told me.

You were supposed yo give a deposit and do all of the paperwork over the phone! Don't go there until you are ready to hand them a check and drive away...

Which dealer was it? :thumbsdow

nemo456

07-22-2005, 02:55 PM

Sigh, what to do, to save that $$$, sometimes u just need to take the crap from tem.

Btw, friends told me "Floor mats" are sometimes don't come with a new car? Sometimes they charged u for that, and give them for free? What about dealers' equipements? we need to pay extra for that?

pls advise

n1accord

07-22-2005, 09:42 PM

You were supposed yo give a deposit and do all of the paperwork over the phone! Don't go there until you are ready to hand them a check and drive away...
Phone . . . or go to the dealers website and email them the same offer. Reagrdless, get the VIN in writing before you make a deposit or go to the dealership.
Your impromptu trip to the dealership could be symptomatic of 'the fever'. If a salesman diagnoses this condition you are toast! :D

RTexasF

07-23-2005, 03:18 AM

Supposedly you can't tint the 7th gens, the doors will scratch the tint up when the windows roll up/down.

I had my '04 tinted the first week I had it, no problems whatsoever-------3M tint was used.

RTexasF

07-23-2005, 03:19 AM

n1accord

07-23-2005, 05:08 AM

I belive that all EX models come with mats.
Mats came with my LX V6.

FWIW, I think mats did not come on 2000 Odyssey, but were included for 2001. I recall the salesman saying Honda had received many complaints about paying extra for mats. Perhaps this has been a marketing issue across their lineup.

psyshack

07-23-2005, 07:23 AM

Hi
Finally found the dealer with the best offer, called him up, asked if has the Graphite Pearl Accord EX in stock. He said YES. Then I drove all the way (35 mins) to his dealership, and guess what he told me.

"We just sold that car"

I was like.....DAMN! Didn't u check b4 u tell me!!! Anyway, he said he is going to get a car from other dealerships and hopefully i can get it on Sat or next Tues.

I am still waiting for his call now. Called him this morning, he told me he will call me back in 45 mins to let me know WHEN EXACTLY can i get a car. Until now...HOURS...no signs of him. Again..gave me the impressions that most Honda dealers don't need extra businesses...they already have plenty!

I am tempted to go get it from another dealer and pay the extra $$$!

Lesson LEarned: NEVER TRUST A SALESMAN!

When I bought the wifes sedan they required a bloody deposit to hold the car for me. All the paper work was done, just had to sign and drive. But to hold the car for 4 hours untill we could get there they needed a $500 deposit. First time in my life Ive had to do that. And I would never ask a cust. for a deposit to hold a boiler or a pump. Im in sales,,, but always feel the need to take a shower when Ive been around car sales people and dealers. three so nasty,,, (((( shuddering ))))

jintegra

07-26-2005, 03:47 AM

When I bought the wifes sedan they required a bloody deposit to hold the car for me. All the paper work was done, just had to sign and drive. But to hold the car for 4 hours untill we could get there they needed a $500 deposit.Requiring a deposit after the paperwork's been done is kind of strange. Here in Canada the dealerships require a deposit first before they start any negotiation.

Lesson LEarned: NEVER TRUST A SALESMAN!
When I was buying my accord last year, the dealership/salesman tried all kinds of tricks to extract more cash out of me, even after the deal has been signed. First during negotiations, they told me there were 2 green EX-L 5MT accords in town that they could get. A day later, they told me 1 was made into a demo while the other was sold (yeah, right :rolleyes: ). I could get a different colour, or they could ship one from an out of town dealership for $200! Naturally I was upset :rant:, then the sales quickly came back with "but we could split the difference, & you only pay $100!". I was :jawdrop: for a while, then I said "ok, but you have to show me the invoice for the shipping". This made the salesman somewhat uneasy, saying they don't generally show customers invoices & so on, then he put me on hold, saying he would discuss it with his manager. Came back a minute later, & lo and behold, they were able to find a car directly from the Honda lot! No additional shipping charges required! IT'S A MIRACLE!!!

psyshack

07-26-2005, 04:45 AM

Requiring a deposit after the paperwork's been done is kind of strange. Here in Canada the dealerships require a deposit first before they start any negotiation.

Money up front to start a deal on a car... OMG!!!!! That wouldnt last long here in Olahoma. Car sales people would have to wear body armor,, the jails would be full of really hacked off and deadly rednecks.

wowowowowow

foreman_bob

07-26-2005, 05:01 AM

I assume this has been covered before, but I couldn't find it anywhere. What does "EX" and "LX" stand for. And I know they make civics in "DX" trim. Just curious mainly!

jintegra

07-26-2005, 06:35 AM

Money up front to start a deal on a car... OMG!!!!! That wouldnt last long here in Olahoma. Car sales people would have to wear body armor,, the jails would be full of really hacked off and deadly rednecks.

wowowowowowWhen my sister & I went to a dealership to negotiate on her first car back in '88, she had to put down a $500 deposit to start the negotiation. They'll swipe the credit card & hold it but it won't go through unless the deal is signed. Eventually the deal fell through & she got her deposit back. Every car negotiation I've been to since has been the same way. Never realized it was different in the states.

I assume this has been covered before, but I couldn't find it anywhere. What does "EX" and "LX" stand for. And I know they make civics in "DX" trim.My guess is : EX=EXecutive? LX= LuXury? DX=DeluXe? :dunno: I think it is mostly arbitrary (Mazda used to have ES,LX,DX then switched it to GT,GS,GX , no idea what any of the acronyms stand for). Canada still has the DX trim for the Accord.

BenjiBoy650

07-26-2005, 09:20 AM

The trim levels don't stand for anything anymore. It's just the marketing people trying to figure out what would sound best. Mazda now uses i and s in the USA, including the italics lol (Mazda3i, etc). I realized they were different while I was up in BC :)

nemo456

07-27-2005, 12:52 PM

After going through so many advices from all u here, research of my own, and the pains caused by salesmen, I finally got my new car 2 days ago!!! Got myself a 2005 Accord EX, Graphite Pearl!!! YEAH ...i was so so excited when i got the car...first time owning a big car, a car with POWER, with moonroof.....WOW...what a great feeling!

http://www.mybuddies.net/forum/uploads/Ray/accord/ray-accord1.jpg

http://www.mybuddies.net/forum/uploads/Ray/accord/ray-accord1a.jpg

http://www.mybuddies.net/forum/uploads/Ray/accord/ray-accord1b.jpg

Once again, i want to THANK ALL OF YOU who spent the time to give me advice and suggestions!!! THANKS SO MUCH!!!! :banana:

Now, it's time for me to learn how to keep it nice and maitain it well!!!

Btw, the salesman of that car dealership actually screwed me up 3 times in a role by promising a car which he didn't have and never bother call me up to let me know the latest when he could get me a car. But I finally got so pissed off, complaint to the sales manager and the owner. They apologized on behalf of that lousy salesman and were able to keep my business!